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Baggly · 10-07-2019 11:16am

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Maybe yiz should stop trying to do the dance of trying to label each other and everyone else and have a discussion about something that means something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPF5Useoruk

Boom_Bap · 10-07-2019 11:19am

batgoat · 10-07-2019 11:38am

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Maybe yiz should stop trying to do the dance of trying to label each other and everyone else and have a discussion about something that means something.

To use an example, a user was referred to as racist because they said if a person isn't white, they can't be British. There are certain users that seem to want to make every single topic on the forum about race or Muslims and justifying racism. They've done so in past on after hours and just relocated now.

looksee · 12-07-2019 1:06pm

The word still has the meaning it has always had, and people should not be allowed to deflect others' thoughts or attempt at discussion by hand waving away a word as 'having lost all meaning'.

Steve King is a noted Nazi now?
Yes he is, he is a self-admitted white supremacist and extreme right-winger.

Right.

A Nazi will no doubt be a 'white supremacist and extreme right-winger' among other things, but a white supremacist and extreme right-winger is not necessarily a Nazi.

markodaly · 12-07-2019 2:32pm

I have to second the issue of using labels in order to detract from the topic at hand.

For example, we are discouraged to use the word shinnerbot. Yet the word, partitionist is used with impunity and used in a deliberately inflammatory manner. It is not even the use of a label per say, it is used as a weapon to mostly wind other people up and paint them into a corner, time and time again.

I have raised this with the mods, and have been asked to post here for feedback.

biko · 12-07-2019 3:35pm

So far the forum looks to be working.

MrFresh · 12-07-2019 4:36pm

biko wrote: »

So far the forum looks to be working.

Yes, it really has given racism a place to flourish.

osarusan · 13-07-2019 8:50am

The reregs last far far too long before they get banned.

Everybody know they are one, including mods and admin I'm sure, but whatever boxes need to be ticked to confirm it allow them to spew the same bile for weeks, months, before they finally get banned.

Tokyo · 13-07-2019 8:51am

MrFresh wrote: »

Yes, it really has given racism a place to flourish.

I think that's a quite unfair and oversimplistic assessment.

In one feedback thread, mods are being accused of making judgements more on their feeling or emotions than in the fairness of discussion and deciding what discussions are worth having at all, in another, they are being accused of not getting involved and letting racism 'flourish'? No-win situation it seems.

Racism is not being allowed to 'flourish' in CA, but in many cases, sunlight is the best disinfectant - posters are more than capable of calling out opinions they deem questionable, and we allow for both sides of that discussion. Yes, a reasonable percentage of our posters on both sides of the aisle have, from time to time, wandered into territory that could be considered questionable. Were we to insta-ban for such the place would certainly be calmer, if nothing else. We don't, and many posters pull their heads back in on sight of a mod warning, or being called out by the majority. Others who continue to push into genuine hate speech however, are steadily working their way up through the infraction process and out of the forum.

Yes, that means it will take a little while for the forum to find its balance, and there will always be a few persistent trolls and rereg accounts, but it's still the fairest approach. As for those who advocate for instant bannings for speech with which they disagree? I'd say most of such should be happy we don't. Based on reports we get every day most posters in CA would be banned within a week under such a regime.

McMurphy · 13-07-2019 9:26am

markodaly wrote: »

I have to second the issue of using labels in order to detract from the topic at hand.

For example, we are discouraged to use the word shinnerbot. Yet the word, partitionist is used with impunity and used in a deliberately inflammatory manner. It is not even the use of a label per say, it is used as a weapon to mostly wind other people up and paint them into a corner, time and time again.

I have raised this with the mods, and have been asked to post here for feedback.

Lol.

MrFresh · 13-07-2019 9:51am

mike_ie wrote: »

I think that's a quite unfair and oversimplistic assessment.

I think it's right on the money.

mike_ie wrote: »

In one feedback thread, mods are being accused of making judgements more on their feeling or emotions than in the fairness of discussion and deciding what discussions are worth having at all, in another, they are being accused of not getting involved and letting racism 'flourish'? No-win situation it seems.

It is. That's why you, and by that I mean Boards.ie in general, have to take a position. It sounds like you are allowing certain content to appear impartial or to appeal to as many people as possible. A good discussion isn't simply one that has two sides, there has to be quality and genuineness to it too.

mike_ie wrote: »

Racism is not being allowed to 'flourish' in CA, but in many cases, sunlight is the best disinfectant - posters are more than capable of calling out opinions they deem questionable, and we allow for both sides of that discussion. Yes, a reasonable percentage of our posters on both sides of the aisle have, from time to time, wandered into territory that could be considered questionable. Were we to insta-ban for such the place would certainly be calmer, if nothing else. We don't, and many posters pull their heads back in on sight of a mod warning, or being called out by the majority. Others who continue to push into genuine hate speech however, are steadily working their way up through the infraction process and out of the forum.

Sunshine doesn't really work as a disinfectant in an anonymous forum.I'm not suggesting an inst ban for everyone but at least come down on the dog whistles. The Lost Lane thread still refers to "new irish" in the op, which is an obvious reference to black Irish people, with no evidence at all that black people were involved. Do you really not see the potential issues in allowing that kind of thing?

mike_ie wrote: »

Yes, that means it will take a little while for the forum to find its balance, and there will always be a few persistent trolls and rereg accounts, but it's still the fairest approach. As for those who advocate for instant bannings for speech with which they disagree? I'd say most of such should be happy we don't. Based on reports we get every day most posters in CA would be banned within a week under such a regime.

Again, not something I mentioned. If you check, you'll see I previously started a Feedback thread on recognising the difference between unpopular opinions and hate speech. I have no issue with opposing opinion. I have an issue with baseless claims and bigotry, which are prolific, even if they don't break specific rules. I think Boards is behind the times with addressing this stuff. The site is being used to spread the same divisive stuff that led to Brexit and Trump. The larger social media sites have had to address this eventually. I think it's naive to think it won't have to be done here.

13-07-2019 10:45am

MrFresh wrote: »

I think Boards is behind the times with addressing this stuff.

This is the strictest discussion site on the internet. I don't see how they're behind the times at all.

Like so often, I'll ask you, do you have any solutions? Maybe this forum would be best named "Constructive Feedback" instead.

markodaly · 13-07-2019 3:22pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Lol.

Great feedback JD! Well thought out and mature response there.

Gatling · 13-07-2019 7:15pm

osarusan wrote: »

The reregs last far far too long before they get banned.

Everybody know they are one, including mods and admin I'm sure, but whatever boxes need to be ticked to confirm it allow them to spew the same bile for weeks, months, before they finally get banned.

Maybe a minimum post count before being allowed to post or open threads at least

McMurphy · 13-07-2019 9:48pm

markodaly wrote: »

Great feedback JD! Well thought out and mature response there.

Nothing more needed to be said, it's a sanctionable offence on the politics forum to imply someone -. (Yourself even) may be a fine gael or govt shill, and so naturally enough, this carries over to implying/calling someone a "shinnerbot" which - if I understand correctly means they are posting on behalf of Sinn Fein, either as an official or unofficial shill.

To me, it's a simple case of if a poster has, and constantly airs or post opinions that people interpret as being in favour of partition, well then that poster could rightfully be described as a partitionist, if you find the label offensive, perhaps tone down the partitionist persona and posts.

Getting upset because you're not allowed to imply someone is posting for/or on behalf of a political party, isn't the same thing, not by any stretch.

You basically are whinging that the rules shouldn't apply to you because you don't want them to.

biko · 14-07-2019 10:46am

There is already a report function to alert mods to posts that may be against forum charter.
Forum charters already cover what needs to be covered.
I don't see a need to have further restriction of opinions put in place.
It isn't democratic.

markodaly · 14-07-2019 12:08pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

Nothing more needed to be said, it's a sanctionable offence on the politics forum to imply someone -. (Yourself even) may be a fine gael or govt shill, and so naturally enough, this carries over to implying/calling someone a "shinnerbot" which - if I understand correctly means they are posting on behalf of Sinn Fein, either as an official or unofficial shill.

To me, it's a simple case of if a poster has, and constantly airs or post opinions that people interpret as being in favour of partition, well then that poster could rightfully be described as a partitionist, if you find the label offensive, perhaps tone down the partitionist persona and posts.

Getting upset because you're not allowed to imply someone is posting for/or on behalf of a political party, isn't the same thing, not by any stretch.

You basically are whinging that the rules shouldn't apply to you because you don't want them to.

"That people interpret" are the key words there in your post JD.
The issue at play in the UI thread at the moment is two-fold.

If one airs anything less than 100% pure abject approval and joy at the prospect at a United Ireland at any cost, then you are classed as a partitionist. This language is straight out from the Brexit debacle over the in the UK

Following on from that, the word itself is being used to aggressively provoke, inflame, virtue signal and label people into a box. Its use has exploded in the past few months with the aim to annoy more than to engage. It's the online Americanisation of language and labels, nothing more nothing else.

PeadarCo · 14-07-2019 8:55pm

markodaly wrote:

If one airs anything less than 100% pure abject approval and joy at the prospect at a United Ireland at any cost, then you are classed as a partitionist. This language is straight out from the Brexit debacle over the in the UK

Welcome to Northern Ireland threads. I pity the mods who have to deal with them. As any regular observer of these threads will see its generally the same posters arguing over the same stuff ad nauseum. Where you end up with the hardliners on both sides and anyone who is any where near the middle ground gets pushed out, labelled, frustrated etc. It's nothing new. At one point the politics Forum had a separate sub forum specifically to allow separate rules for those threads(anyone can feel free to correct me that's based on my recollection). Having a separate Northern Ireland sub forum itself caused a degree of discontent at the time as well.

How do you sort it encourage more moderate views on both sides to be seen ? To be fair over the years various mods have done their best and tried a number of different things. The issue is that for the hardliners on both sides politics based Northern Ireland threads are very emotitive with the history involved. This is something the mods can't change.

Odhinn · 18-07-2019 9:31pm

osarusan wrote: »

The reregs last far far too long before they get banned.

Everybody know they are one, including mods and admin I'm sure, but whatever boxes need to be ticked to confirm it allow them to spew the same bile for weeks, months, before they finally get banned.

There's one on there that has - at the bare minimum - 3 site banned previous accounts, that has been allowed to continue to post under yet another identity. I know the user base of boards is shrinking, but do we really need to tolerate that kind of thing?

freshpopcorn · 18-07-2019 10:11pm

Odhinn wrote: »

There's one on there that has - at the bare minimum - 3 site banned previous accounts, that has been allowed to continue to post under yet another identity. I know the user base of boards is shrinking, but do we really need to tolerate that kind of thing?

Please report these accounts and if anything sows up I'll ban them and the amins can look into them as well.

Odhinn · 18-07-2019 10:12pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Please report these accounts and if anything sows up I'll ban them and the amins can look into them as well.

Will do.

Beasty · 18-07-2019 10:24pm

Now you may think posters are re-regs but we will not act solely on the suspicions of posters - we need to see proper links

Gatling · 18-07-2019 11:58pm

Beasty wrote: »

Now you may think posters are re-regs but we will not act solely on the suspicions of posters - we need to see proper links

Define proper links - actual posts or style of posts that links certain posters??

Beasty · 19-07-2019 1:24pm

Gatling wrote: »

Define proper links - actual posts or style of posts that links certain posters??

We have a variety of resources available to us. We're not getting into any details here though.

Odhinn · 19-07-2019 3:02pm

They've had multiple usernames - I can only remember three of the banned a/cs however, and have passed them on.

_Kaiser_ · 22-07-2019 8:24pm

Odhinn wrote: »

There's one on there that has - at the bare minimum - 3 site banned previous accounts, that has been allowed to continue to post under yet another identity. I know the user base of boards is shrinking, but do we really need to tolerate that kind of thing?

There's 2 posters in the Bailey thread who arrive generally around the same time, post the same thing in the same style, abuse other posters and suggest that they're unemployed wasters or similar, and yet no action is taken.

I called this out before and got warned that if I suspected multiple accounts are being used I should report it, even though I'm sure the mods can read the posts the same as the rest of us. Still no sanctions against the user(s) in question though regardless of whether it's a multi account.

I've just called it out again because the same nonsense is occurring again so I fully expect that I'll be the one punished for not following the HR disciplinary procedure that passes for reporting on this site.

Moderation of boards seems to have become an industry in itself in the last few years.

Beasty · 22-07-2019 8:31pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

There's 2 posters in the Bailey thread who arrive generally around the same time, post the same thing in the same style, abuse other posters and suggest that they're unemployed wasters or similar, and yet no action is taken.

I called this out before and got warned that if I suspected multiple accounts are being used I should report it, even though I'm sure the mods can read the posts the same as the rest of us. Still no sanctions against the user(s) in question though regardless of whether it's a multi account.

I've just called it out again because the same nonsense is occurring again so I fully expect that I'll be the one punished for not following the HR disciplinary procedure that passes for reporting on this site.

Moderation of boards seems to have become an industry in itself in the last few years.

The last reported post I can find from you is from over a year ago

Sorry, but I have too many other things to sort out around here than read all the threads in CA

_Kaiser_ · 22-07-2019 8:40pm

Beasty wrote: »

The last reported post I can find from you is from over a year ago

Sorry, but I have too many other things to sort out around here than read all the threads in CA

Well luckily there's 14 other mods to keep an eye on things per the list at the bottom.

Cop out answer by the way. One of the team did see enough previously to complain to me about the reporting processes, but not enough to consider the actual point being made - just as you've just done in fact.

I know you're fond of this multi-layer escalation process across multiple fora that ye have built up, but all it really serves to do is discourage feedback because rather than respond to the issue, the focus is that the wrong form was submitted.

dudara · 22-07-2019 9:03pm

PM me the names. I will look into it.

However, you do need to lose the “poor me, I’ll get disciplined attitude”. You know that commenting on suspected multiple accounts is not allowed in thread, so I don’t understand why you persist in doing it.

Beasty · 22-07-2019 9:04pm

I don't even know which thread you are referring to

You can't be arsed to report stuff but expect action regardless. There a bit of feedback for you

22-07-2019 9:10pm

dudara wrote: »

PM me the names. I will look into it.

However, you do need to lose the “poor me, I’ll get disciplined attitude”. You know that commenting on suspected multiple accounts is not allowed in thread, so I don’t understand why you persist in doing it.

It is rather obvious to the discerning viewer who the perpetrator is. This sort of passivity in stamping out sock-puppetry is a virtual endorsement of future deeds, and reflects poorly on moderation in the Current Affairs forum.

This is it · 22-07-2019 9:21pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is rather obvious to the discerning viewer who the perpetrator is. This sort of passivity in stamping out sock-puppetry is a virtual endorsement of future deeds, and reflects poorly on moderation in the Current Affairs forum.

In fairness, it's obvious to those reading the thread. If you don't report it don't expect it to be actioned, or even looked into. While it may be caught in passing by a mod there's a far higher chance of it being seen if reported.

_Kaiser_ · 22-07-2019 10:46pm

dudara wrote: »

PM me the names. I will look into it.

However, you do need to lose the “poor me, I’ll get disciplined attitude”. You know that commenting on suspected multiple accounts is not allowed in thread, so I don’t understand why you persist in doing it.

Back at my laptop so have PM'd you some examples and detail.. cheers

Beasty wrote: »

I don't even know which thread you are referring to

You can't be arsed to report stuff but expect action regardless. There a bit of feedback for you

Snarky feedback noted, but I can play that game too.

I know you are a champion of the convoluted escalation process you've built here with multiple forums and avenues for the same basic functions on what is still just a discussion forum, but the issues I've called out are not exactly uncommon on this site, and a little more proactive monitoring from the mods (all 14 of them in this case!) might go a long way to addressing it, not to mention showing a proactive rather than always reactive approach.
If ye haven't got the cover to do that, add more people, or replace those who haven't the time for whatever reason.

Let's forego the usual "unpaid volunteers" argument or wagon-circling shall we? Just for once maybe LISTEN to what you're being told by the users ye all depend on to generate the traffic and content.

You personally (and others to be fair) do great work on this site and should be commended for it, but it would really be a step forward if the Mod team (paid or otherwise) stopped getting defensive, started listening to the feedback from many people, about the same issues, and start being a lot more transparent and engaged about what you're doing about it.

osarusan · 22-07-2019 11:09pm

The forum is every bit as bad as I expected. A serious number of people posting in bad faith, with no interest in any kind of discussion.

It was claimed that this would have a higher standard of moderation than AH, but I certainly don't think so. In fact, seeing as how posters who were banned from AH for the utter bile they spewed are free to post in CA, it's probably worse. And the most annoying thing is that it was very very easy to predict that all this would happen.

Yer Da sells Avon · 23-07-2019 12:53am

I reported a load of blatantly racist posts in the latest anti-Traveller thread (the one about the man, who happens to be a Traveller, and who tried to murder a load of people at a graveyard in Louth).

Nasty, bigoted shit like this:

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

They are scumbags. Little education beyond their fists and an ability to scam

Most of us are wise to their activities but sadly not all. And they laugh at us every day because they can now due to ethnic status Shyte.

CAB are trying though. I wish them well.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Fists, slashhooks and mayhem is their version of enjoying themselves.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Quite A normall occurrence for that cohort at a funeral.

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

30% of them end up in prison at some stage of their lives

The rest haven’t been caught

The only posts on that thread that appear to have been carded (not banned, just a pathetic card) are the ones that use blatantly racist epithets like 'pikey' or 'knacker', or the ones that advocate violence. If you went onto a thread about a black person who committed a crime and called all black people 'n-ggers', or one about a gay person and called them all a bunch of 'f-gs', would you get away with an infraction? Why are the rules different when it's Travellers?

Maybe the admins could clarify the rules on making racist posts in the Current Affairs forum. Is it ok to be as racist as you please, as long as you're careful and discreet enough not to use certain terms (in which case, you'll get nothing more than a gentle slap on the wrist)?

Don't get me wrong - it is good that all the far-right shit has been diverted away from After Hours, but it's a pity that no effort appears to have been made to prevent Current Affairs from becoming a playground for bigots.

The standard of moderation there is abysmal.

Omackeral · 23-07-2019 12:59am

Calling Travellers out for their disproportionate sh*t behaviour isn't "far-right".

Agree that there's been unacceptable posts though and I'm glad to see the cards come out for them.

Yer Da sells Avon · 23-07-2019 1:13am

Omackeral wrote: »

Calling Travellers out for their disproportionate sh*t behaviour isn't "far-right".

Calling out all Travellers in a thread about a crime carried out by a Traveller is racist.

Do you honestly think the posts I quoted are acceptable?

Omackeral · 23-07-2019 1:51am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Calling out all Travellers in a thread about a crime carried out by a Traveller is racist.

Do you honestly think the posts I quoted are acceptable?

If you quoted my post in full you'd have your answer there in black and white.

Yer Da sells Avon · 23-07-2019 1:56am

Omackeral wrote: »

If you quoted my post in full you'd have your answer there in black and white.

But cards did not come out for those posts. No warnings, no infractions, nothing.

Omackeral · 23-07-2019 2:00am

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

But cards did not come out for those posts. No warnings, no infractions, nothing.

Ok well that's not on me! Some of them are cardable IMO.

blackwhite · 23-07-2019 10:52am

Deleted User wrote: »

It is rather obvious to the discerning viewer who the perpetrator is. This sort of passivity in stamping out sock-puppetry is a virtual endorsement of future deeds, and reflects poorly on moderation in the Current Affairs forum.

That thread is full of abuse thrown at anyone who doesn't join in with the circle-jerk TBH - and little consequence for anyone doling out the abuse.

There's very little moderation happening in CA full stop - it's already trundling down the path of the first incarnation of Politics Cafe. Trench warfare with the rules of the site seemingly set aside in favour of as many clicks as possible

McMurphy · 24-07-2019 9:25pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

There's 2 posters in the Bailey thread who arrive generally around the same time, post the same thing in the same style, abuse other posters and suggest that they're unemployed wasters or similar, and yet no action is taken.

I called this out before and got warned that if I suspected multiple accounts are being used I should report it, even though I'm sure the mods can read the posts the same as the rest of us. Still no sanctions against the user(s) in question though regardless of whether it's a multi account.

I've just called it out again because the same nonsense is occurring again so I fully expect that I'll be the one punished for not following the HR disciplinary procedure that passes for reporting on this site.

Moderation of boards seems to have become an industry in itself in the last few years.

I think some folk are taking (what I see) the bait here by these posters.

I don't think they're sock puppet accounts, I think they want you to think that, as then you'll call it out on the thread, get sanctioned/thread gets derailed and possibly closed.

No, what I think is happening is that three individual boards members know each other in a personal capacity, and are working in sequence via pm or other communication to appear in familiar time periods after one another, posting in exactly the same style and using the same insults in an effort to wind posters up, and get the end result of what I just mentioned above.

It's trolling, but technically not breaking any rules, so hard to put a stop to it is my guess.

They're playing some folk like fiddles, I just laugh at them now though, the act went stale ages ago.

Gatling · 24-07-2019 11:43pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I think some folk are taking (what I see) the bait here by these posters.

I don't think they're sock puppet accounts, I think they want you to think that, as then you'll call it out on the thread, get sanctioned/thread gets derailed and possibly closed.

No, what I think is happening is that three individual boards members know each other in a personal capacity, and are working in sequence via pm or other communication to appear in familiar time periods after one another, posting in exactly the same style and using the same insults in an effort to wind posters up, and get the end result of what I just mentioned above.

It's trolling, but technically not breaking any rules, so hard to put a stop to it is my guess.

They're playing some folk like fiddles, I just laugh at them now though, the act went stale ages ago.

This is exactly whats going on in some threads seems CA has attracted a lot of recently registered posters all with similar posts and attempts at baiting

dudara · 24-07-2019 11:51pm

Gatling wrote: »

This is exactly whats going on in some threads seems CA has attracted a lot of recently registered posters all with similar posts and attempts at baiting

We do our best to keep on top of them, but this has been a problem across contentious threads for a while now. It probably just looks more prevalent as CA has now become the home for many controversial threads.

Gatling · 24-07-2019 11:57pm

dudara wrote: »

We do our best to keep on top of them, but this has been a problem across contentious threads for a while now. It probably just looks more prevalent as CA has now become the home for many controversial threads.

It's still new though , several well known posters reappeared under the same names but added a number to their old account essentially giving them a clean record again.

I'm not reporting posts on one particular thread due to the same names from politics ,Ah and PC have all appeared in here ,
The ignore button works fine enough for me

This is it · 25-07-2019 7:15am

Gatling wrote: »

It's still new though , several well known posters reappeared under the same names but added a number to their old account essentially giving them a clean record again.

I'm not reporting posts on one particular thread due to the same names from politics ,Ah and PC have all appeared in here ,
The ignore button works fine enough for me

How are they getting a clean slate? If mods know they had another account then it's taken into consideration.

Harry Palmr · 25-07-2019 4:24pm

If you want to clean out the shi't from the shed you need a shovel - the report post icon is the tool to use. On a broader note, has somewhere which breeds these types closed in the last year or so? It used to be so much less fractious and deliberately contentious around here.

MrFresh · 25-07-2019 4:39pm

Harry Palmr wrote: »

If you want to clean out the shi't from the shed you need a shovel - the report post icon is the tool to use. On a broader note, has somewhere which breeds these types closed in the last year or so? It used to be so much less fractious and deliberately contentious around here.

A lot of Trump related subs and right wing Twitter accounts and Youtube channels are being closed down due to their hateful rhetoric. The cultists are finding new homes. Reported posts seem to be given a pass a lot of the time. I think it's more down to enforcement choices than awareness.

banie01 · 26-07-2019 3:40pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

I think some folk are taking (what I see) the bait here by these posters.

I don't think they're sock puppet accounts, I think they want you to think that, as then you'll call it out on the thread, get sanctioned/thread gets derailed and possibly closed.

The lads in question were suspected of being just that months ago on the crypto subforums.
Syntax and grammar are too similar IMO for them not to be

Creative use of a VPN and some Social Media tool like Lithium thats probably being paid for by Fine Gael

banie01 · 26-07-2019 4:14pm

This is it wrote: »

How are they getting a clean slate? If mods know they had another account then it's taken into consideration.

Think I know at least a couple of the poster's you mean but TBH as long as they closed the original a count before opening the new one I don't see the issue.
Also IMO it shows a degree of honesty in that they aren't trying to hide away and reappear as a "new" poster.

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