Covid-19 likely to be man made

NaFirinne · 12-08-2020 3:36pm

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

FYP
Just look what is happening to the group of doctors in America that have come out and alleged that hydroxychloroquine does actually work in combating Covid19....... Lead by a scientist that believes that scientists are developing a vaccine to make people not religious and that witches and demons have sex with people in their dreams. When Facebook took down her claims as being against their misinformation policies she stated that Jesus Christ would take down their servers. Who believes in the healing power of prayer.

Now I have no problems with people's beliefs but it has no place in the scientific method.

Lead by scientists who, as others have said, have a vested financial interest in promoting these viewpoints.

There would always be some dissenting voices and this can be healthy. Actual debate comparing and reviewing verifiable data is an important part of the scientific process. But when the dissenting voices are driven by religious/political beliefs (Those scientists are being sponsored by the right-wing Tea Party wing of the Republican Party) or by profit then their motives are suspect.

These people are not brave, they are being driven not by science but by religious/political beliefs and profit.

Yes ruin the reputation of a doctor just so you don't have to listen to what they actually have to say and personal testimony they are giving.

Also it's very likely that the vaccine they will give is a RNA vaccine. Which sounds to me that it basically alters your DNA. We don't really know what repercussions that will happen in the long term by altering Human genetic make up.

From a religious or christian point of view this is the start of genetically engineering humans, which would be changing us from what God the creator would have intended us to be.

I personally prefer Organic Foods over genetically modified foods and certainly will be very cautions when taking something that can alter me in such a way.

Here as some details about those doctors. I really can't see any financial motive behind their actions.

Simone Gold, MD - Emergency Medicine Specialist in Los Angeles, CA and has over 31 years of experience in the medical field. She graduated from Rosalind Franklin University Of Medicine Science/The Chicago Medical School medical school in 1989. She is affiliated with Centinela Hospital Medical Center.

Dr. Bob Hamilton - pediatrician from Santa Monica, California. Medical School UCLA Geffen School of Medicine, Los Angeles, CA. Internship UCLA Geffen School of Medicine, Los Angeles, CA. Residency UCLA Geffen School of Medicine, Los Angeles, CA.

Dr. Stella Emmaneul - primary care doctor in Houston, Tx. Went to medical school in West Africa, Nigeria. Has practiced in Louisiana and now resides in Texas where she has treated more than 350 Covid patients.

Dr. Dan Erickson, DO - Emergency Medicine Specialist in Bakersfield, CA and has over 16 years of experience in the medical field. He graduated from Western Univ Of Health Sciences/College Of Osteopathic Medicine Of The Pacific, Western University Of Health Sciences medical school in 2004. (While both degrees mean your doctor is a licensed physician, their training differs slightly, and each has a unique perspective on care. “An M.D. follows an allopathic medical training path, whereas a D.O. follows osteopathic,”)

Dr. James Todaro, MD - a Ophthalmology Specialist received his medical degree from Columbia University, Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons in NY, and completed his surgical training with four additional years of residency in ophthalmology.

Dr. Joe Ladapo MD, PhD - Physician at UCLA and clinical researcher. Internal Medicine, American Board of Internal Medicine, 2011.

Residency Internal Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr-East Campus, 2009-2011.

Internship Internal Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr-East Campus, 2008-2009. Degree Harvard Medical School, MD, 2008 Harvard University Grad. School of Arts, Sciences, PhD, 2008.

NaFirinne · 12-08-2020 3:39pm

King Mob wrote: »

But he still has financial incentive which you are ignoring entirely because you want to believe his claims.
It's a double standard.

You "can't see how" because you're pretending he doesn't have a motive.

Dunno. Never said they had a financial motive. They could be wrong for a great number of reasons.

But that's an argument from authority. As you've admitted, you don't know what evidence he's produced, if any at all.

And again, you're still ignoring the other point.
Other "experts" with the same level of authority claim all sorts of wrong and wacky stuff.
"Experts" claimed that SARS was man made.
The same was said of MERS, Zika, Ebola, AIDS...

Do you believe all of those are man made?

I don't think you do, hence why you keep dodging the point.

You know those claims were crap and the authority of the experts who promote those claims isn't very convincing.

I'm not a scientist so I don't know if all those viruses were man made or not.

But I would like a very open inquiry into them all.

Are you saying that it's not possible that these viruses are man made and all have come about by totally natural means?

odyssey06 · 12-08-2020 3:39pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

He also links the Wuhan Lab to France and the US as they both provided financial and scientific aid to the Chinese as they conducted more dangerous bio engineering experiments.

The US and China were collaborating together on bio-weapons research???
Who were they going to attack, Russia? The Centauri Republic?
The politics of this is fantasy stuff.
Suggests the science is also.

odyssey06 · 12-08-2020 3:42pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

Simone Gold, MD - Emergency Medicine Specialist in Los Angeles, CA and has over 31 years of experience in the medical field. She graduated from Rosalind Franklin University Of Medicine Science/The Chicago Medical School medical school in 1989. She is affiliated with Centinela Hospital Medical Center.
Dr. Bob Hamilton - pediatrician from Santa Monica, California. Medical School UCLA Geffen School of Medicine, Los Angeles, CA. Internship UCLA Geffen School of Medicine, Los Angeles, CA. Residency UCLA Geffen School of Medicine, Los Angeles, CA.
Dr. Stella Emmaneul - primary care doctor in Houston, Tx. Went to medical school in West Africa, Nigeria. Has practiced in Louisiana and now resides in Texas where she has treated more than 350 Covid patients.
Dr. Dan Erickson, DO - Emergency Medicine Specialist in Bakersfield, CA and has over 16 years of experience in the medical field. He graduated from Western Univ Of Health Sciences/College Of Osteopathic Medicine Of The Pacific, Western University Of Health Sciences medical school in 2004. (While both degrees mean your doctor is a licensed physician, their training differs slightly, and each has a unique perspective on care. “An M.D. follows an allopathic medical training path, whereas a D.O. follows osteopathic,”)
Dr. James Todaro, MD - a Ophthalmology Specialist received his medical degree from Columbia University, Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons in NY, and completed his surgical training with four additional years of residency in ophthalmology.
Dr. Joe Ladapo MD, PhD - Physician at UCLA and clinical researcher. Internal Medicine, American Board of Internal Medicine, 2011.
Residency Internal Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr-East Campus, 2009-2011.
Internship Internal Medicine, Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr-East Campus, 2008-2009. Degree Harvard Medical School, MD, 2008 Harvard University Grad. School of Arts, Sciences, PhD, 2008.

I'm not seeing any experts in the origins of infectious diseases.
Ophthalmology Specialist?
Osteopath?

I'm sure most of them are grand in an ER ward but this is a different question entirely.

Padre_Pio · 12-08-2020 3:45pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

I'm not a scientist so I don't know if all those viruses were man made or not.

But I would like a very open inquiry into them all.

Are you saying that it's not possible that these viruses are man made and all have come about by totally natural means?

What's the motive?
Who will benefit?
What's to be gained by killing a few million, mainly elderly people worldwide?

Igotadose · 12-08-2020 3:45pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

Dr. Stella Emmaneul - primary care doctor in Houston, Tx. Went to medical school in West Africa, Nigeria. Has practiced in Louisiana and now resides in Texas where she has treated more than 350 Covid patients.

The demon sperm doctor?

King Mob · 12-08-2020 3:46pm

Dodging questions again...

NaFirinne wrote: »

I'm not a scientist so I don't know if all those viruses were man made or not.

According to most scientists and the overwhelming majority of scientific research has concluded that it is not man made.

NaFirinne wrote: »

But I would like a very open inquiry into them all.

There has been.
You just don't accept the scientific method because it doesn't support your belief.

NaFirinne wrote: »

Are you saying that it's not possible that these viruses are man made and all have come about by totally natural means?

I have not seen any convincing evidence to that effect. For the most part I've just seen bad arguments like the one you presented which relies on an appeal to authority.

It's a bit weird that you're asking me a question when you've dodged so many of mine.

NaFirinne · 12-08-2020 3:50pm

King Mob wrote: »

But he still has financial incentive which you are ignoring entirely because you want to believe his claims.
It's a double standard.

You "can't see how" because you're pretending he doesn't have a motive.

Dunno. Never said they had a financial motive. They could be wrong for a great number of reasons.

But that's an argument from authority. As you've admitted, you don't know what evidence he's produced, if any at all.

And again, you're still ignoring the other point.
Other "experts" with the same level of authority claim all sorts of wrong and wacky stuff.
"Experts" claimed that SARS was man made.
The same was said of MERS, Zika, Ebola, AIDS...

Do you believe all of those are man made?

I don't think you do, hence why you keep dodging the point.

You know those claims were crap and the authority of the experts who promote those claims isn't very convincing.

Padre_Pio wrote: »

What's the motive?
Who will benefit?
What's to be gained by killing a few million, mainly elderly people worldwide?

Motive - they are plenty - Financial gain for people not collecting their pensions?

The excuse to completely lock down the world and implement any dictatorial style laws to their liking?
The huge financial gain of selling vaccines.
The transfer of all wealth to the few.

NaFirinne · 12-08-2020 3:52pm

King Mob wrote: »

Dodging questions again...

According to most scientists and the overwhelming majority of scientific research has concluded that it is not man made.

There has been.
You just don't accept the scientific method because it doesn't support your belief.

I have not seen any convincing evidence to that effect. For the most part I've just seen bad arguments like the one you presented which relies on an appeal to authority.

It's a bit weird that you're asking me a question when you've dodged so many of mine.

I am not dodging the questions, I am answering them. Your just using that as an excuse not to answer mine.

King Mob · 12-08-2020 3:57pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

I am not dodging the questions, I am answering them. Your just using that as an excuse not to answer mine.

No, you're dodging.
I asked you to explain which diseases were man made. You didn't answer.
I asked you whether we should believe the experts who claimed all those diseases were man made. You didn't answer.
I asked you about how your conspiracy theory about covid is different from the conspiracy theories about other diseases. You didn't answer.

Meanwhile I directly answered your question in detail and in full. But now you're lying and saying I didn't.

You're being very dishonest.

Wanderer78 · 12-08-2020 3:59pm

Could be, time will tell, or not

NaFirinne · 12-08-2020 4:12pm

King Mob wrote: »

No, you're dodging.
I asked you to explain which diseases were man made. You didn't answer.
I asked you whether we should believe the experts who claimed all those diseases were man made. You didn't answer.
I asked you about how your conspiracy theory about covid is different from the conspiracy theories about other diseases. You didn't answer.

Meanwhile I directly answered your question in detail and in full. But now you're lying and saying I didn't.

You're being very dishonest.

I asked you to explain which diseases were man made. - I said that I don't know and I think it's very possible that the diseases could be man made.

When it comes to believing experts who claim it's man made - I think the world is too quick to try and dismiss these things without giving them the due consideration they deserve.

The conspiracy theory for covid19 is different because 1. it effects so many nations. 2 it is quickly changing the world into a dictatorial regime. 3. there so happens to be the Wuhan lab in the very vicinity of where the virus was found. This is at the very least highly suspicious.

The arguments of it being a natural virus seems to largely came very earliy on in March from Scripps Research, Tulane University, University of Sydney, University of Edinburgh, and Columbia University.

https://bgr.com/2020/03/19/coronavirus-update-covid-19-is-a-natural-evolution-not-man-made/

There are not to be dismissed but also what they studied was only part of the Genome of Covid19 not the complete genome.

There has been claims since that this was an accident leaked from the Wuhan labs which I find that is more likely to be the case.

They might have been storing a naturally occurring virus for research and experimenting on it.

However when notable scientists come out refuting that it has occurred naturally and saying that it's a man made virus then I would like an open inquiry at the least into their claims.

I want the truth.

Dohnjoe · 12-08-2020 4:15pm

Padre_Pio wrote: »

What's the motive?
Who will benefit?
What's to be gained by killing a few million, mainly elderly people worldwide?

Indeed, and stressing national healthcare systems, tanking the respective economies and having a drastic impact on the bottom lines of companies and corporations

Someone in another thread pointed the finger at pharmaceutical companies and claimed they were behind this because they were making money from the pandemic, but using that logic then so are mask-makers, respirator manufacturers, laptop manufacturers, video-conferencing app makers and so on and so on

People need to engage a slight amount of critical thinking here

King Mob · 12-08-2020 4:21pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

I asked you to explain which diseases were man made. - I said that I don't know and I think it's very possible that the diseases could be man made.

When it comes to believing experts who claim it's man made - I think the world is too quick to try and dismiss these things without giving them the due consideration they deserve.

Neither of which are actually answers. They're wishy washy answers that don't require any commitment.

So do you believe that all diseases can man made? Or just the ones I listed? And all of them, or just one or two of them?

What about the ones you don't believe are man made? Are the experts who disagree with you just stupid or...? Why do you disagree with them?

NaFirinne wrote: »

The conspiracy theory for covid19 is different because 1. it effects so many nations.

As opposed to AIDs?

NaFirinne wrote: »

2 it is quickly changing the world into a dictatorial regime.

Lol. Very silly and very hyperbolic.

NaFirinne wrote: »

3. there so happens to be the Wuhan lab in the very vicinity of where the virus was found. This is at the very least highly suspicious.

And?
People claimed the same suspicious stuff about all the other diseases too.

Unsupported rumors aren't facts.

NaFirinne wrote: »

The arguments of it being a natural virus seems to largely...

Not true. This is a very silly strawman you're constructing. It's very silly.

That is not what it is "largely based on."

NaFirinne wrote: »

There has been claims since that this was an accident leaked from the Wuhan labs which I find that is more likely to be the case.

Again, unsupported rumors aren't facts even if you really want them to be true.

NaFirinne wrote: »

However when notable scientists come out refuting that it has occurred naturally and saying that it's a man made virus then I would like an open inquiry at the least into their claims.

But "notable scientists" claim many wacky, false things all the time.

They use their authority to give weight to these false claims, and in some cases to sell books.
It's a common marketing tactic.

NaFirinne wrote: »

I want the truth.

No, you want there to be a conspiracy theory you've figured out.

King Mob · 12-08-2020 4:23pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Indeed, and stressing national healthcare systems, tanking the respective economies and having a drastic impact on the bottom lines of companies and corporations

Someone in another thread pointed the finger at pharmaceutical companies and claimed they were behind this because they were making money from the pandemic, but using that logic then so are mask-makers, respirator manufacturers, laptop manufacturers, video-conferencing app makers and so on and so on

People need to engage a slight amount of critical thinking here

But remember, a guy can't be stretching the truth for a book he's selling cause... reasons...

NaFirinne · 12-08-2020 4:33pm

King Mob wrote: »

But remember, a guy can't be stretching the truth for a book he's selling cause... reasons...

Not when selling a book would have such a short term gain as opposed to ruining his career.

s1ippy · 12-08-2020 4:34pm

https://apnews.com/3c061794970661042b18d5aeaaed9fae

Some relevant info here; China only released the genome sequencing after three other labs had already mapped it. Serious obfuscation and you'd have to wonder the motive.

King Mob · 12-08-2020 4:42pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

Not when selling a book would have such a short term gain as opposed to ruining his career.

Ok, how much does he make every year from his job?
How much will he make from his book?

Please provide this evidence.

If you can't, then you can't exclude the possibility that he stands to make more from a book than from his job.

Also you'll have to factor in the other sources of revenue he could gain from becoming the "maverick expert". Such as other books. Speaking engagements, lectures and talks at various "alternative" events. Or guest spots on conspiratorial media.

You'll also have to show that he is guaranteed to lose his other sources of income and isn't protected by something like tenure.

So when you can show all that, then you can claim he has no profit motive.
Otherwise, he does have a profit motive, you just ignore it because you agree with his claims and you're applying a double standard.

Dohnjoe · 12-08-2020 4:48pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

Not when selling a book would have such a short term gain as opposed to ruining his career.

If you are referring to Luc Montagnier, then there do seem to be reasons to doubt the veracity of his claims

For example:

https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/luc-montagnier-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-pseudoscience/

The Indian study Montagnier referred to had been authored by a team from IIT Delhi, among others. They had uploaded their manuscript to the bioRxiv preprint repository only to quickly take it down after commentators pointed out numerous errors in their analysis.

An article published more recently in the journal Nature Medicine analysing the new virus’s genome concluded thus: “Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus.”

What Montagnier called the “elements” of HIV were short cis-acting elements that scientists had discovered in the genome of coronaviruses in 2005. They are required for genome replication and are shared by many coronaviruses. So if what Montagnier said is true, the whole family of coronaviruses – which originated over 10,000 years ago – would have to be lab-made, and this is obviously nonsensical.

Many experts have already pointed out this obvious flaw in Montagnier’s argument. As Étienne Simon-Lorière, a professor at the Institut Pasteur in Paris, said, “If we take a word from a book and it looks like another word, can we say that one has copied from the other? This is absurd!”

It is surprising to have a scientist of Montagnier’s stature utter such questionable statements – although Montagnier himself is a controversial figure. Among other causes, he has supported anti-vaxxers, homeopathy and a silly claim that DNA emits “electromagnetic waves”.

King Mob · 12-08-2020 5:55pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

If you are referring to Luc Montagnier, then there do seem to be reasons to doubt the veracity of his claims

For example:

https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/luc-montagnier-coronavirus-wuhan-lab-pseudoscience/

According to that link he said:

As he lost credibility among his peers, scientific agencies around Europe began to reject his grant applications, and eventually he was left with no money to pursue his ideas. In a 2010 interview, Montagnier said he was leaving Europe to “escape the intellectual terror.” He added, “I’m no longer allowed to work at a public institute (in France). I have applied for funding from other sources, but I have been turned down.”

So it sounds less like he's losing a job and more like he's in need of funding.

So there is a financial motive for him to be less than honest.
But because he's in agreement with conspiracy theories, I'm sure that still won't count.

Emme · 12-08-2020 7:57pm

King Mob wrote: »

It's airbourne because it's being expelled from people. Hence why a mask helps lower it's spread.

Fair enough.

King Mob wrote: »

How do you propose this happens from a bin?

If the virus is expelled from people while they're wearing the mask it will be on the mask when they remove it. If they put it in a bin it will be disposed of in the normal way with the rest of the rubbish and sanitation staff might come into contact with it.

I don't there is any need to say anything about used masks thrown on the ground.

King Mob wrote: »

Why is it silly to suggest the government are tricking people into extending the lockdowns by telling them incorrect information?

I didn't suggest that. You brought up that point out of the blue.

King Mob wrote: »

And this is based on your PhD research? Or was it a paper you wrote in a scientific journal?

If you read my answer to the OP you will see I stated that I am not a scientist. I have done no PhD research nor written any peer-reviewed articles. I didn't think that was a requirement to suggest that people practice good hygiene. I have worked in an environment where people had to use yellow biohazard bins for pathological waste. To my knowledge biohazard waste is disposed of in a different way to regular waste like that disposed of in municipal bins.

I am not going to argue with you any further because it is clear your function is to refute (you might say debunk

) any opinion that does not follow to the letter the regulations which we receive in the mainstream media and from our government. If that is your job here that's fine but please do not tell people they suggested something they did not or accused the government of something they did not. If you do this it invalidates your arguments.

odyssey06 · 12-08-2020 8:13pm

Emme wrote: »

Fair enough.
If the virus is expelled from people while they're wearing the mask it will be on the mask when they remove it. If they put it in a bin it will be disposed of in the normal way with the rest of the rubbish and sanitation staff might come into contact with it.
I don't there is any need to say anything about used masks thrown on the ground.

Do you dispose of your tissues in a biohazard bin?
Beverage can or bottle you drank from?
Why are masks different to any other piece of rubbish handled by bin staff.

What are the bin staff going to do with the mask to get infected from it.
Come into contact is vague...they have to do more than come into contact to get infected.

The line of infection to bin worker you are trying to is not convincing and has nothing to do with masks.

All the while you ignore the risks masks are meant to protect against... inhaled droplets.

King Mob · 12-08-2020 11:57pm

Emme wrote: »

Fair enough.

If the virus is expelled from people while they're wearing the mask it will be on the mask when they remove it. If they put it in a bin it will be disposed of in the normal way with the rest of the rubbish and sanitation staff might come into contact with it.

I don't there is any need to say anything about used masks thrown on the ground.

Yes, there might be some virus on the masks.
But it will be on the mask. It will not be airbourne and it will not be wafting off the mask like a miasma.
So there is a risk to people if they are licking the masks from the bins or the ones from the ground, or if they put their hand straight into their mouth after touching them.

Emme wrote: »

I didn't suggest that. You brought up that point out of the blue.

So then why does the government not insist on anyone buying biohazard bins and insist that people use them for their masks?

Why do they and doctors not share your concern that not using them will result in the pandemic lasting longer?
Are you suggesting that you just know more than them?

Emme wrote: »

If you read my answer to the OP you will see I stated that I am not a scientist. I have done no PhD research nor written any peer-reviewed articles. I didn't think that was a requirement to suggest that people practice good hygiene. I have worked in an environment where people had to use yellow biohazard bins for pathological waste. To my knowledge biohazard waste is disposed of in a different way to regular waste like that disposed of in municipal bins.

So then if you have done no research, have no expertise and no experience with an actual pandemic, how do you know your claim is true?

Emme wrote: »

If that is your job here that's fine

Lol. Yup. I'm a paid government disinfo agent. :rolleyes:

smellyoldboot · 12-08-2020 11:58pm

Like everything else these days: It was totally made in some dingy factory in Chy-na.

Risteard81 · 13-08-2020 12:00am

Emme wrote: »

For the same reason that your post will be ridiculed and vilified on Boards.

I am not a scientist so I don't fully understand the genetics behind the virus which causes COVID-19. I also cannot understand why so many heavy handed control measures bordering on Martial Law were brought in worldwide because of this virus. People were first told to wear gloves but were not told to dispose of them in a special biohazard unit. Now people are being told to wear mask and have not been told to dispose of them in a special biohazard unit. The advice from governments all over the world changes all the time like they're making it up as they go along. The only thing that doesn't change is people's lack of freedom.

The Covid-19 crisis is a dictatorial megalomaniac's wet dream.

Hear, hear!

It is totalitarianism and Treason at its best...

Dohnjoe · 13-08-2020 12:03am

Risteard81 wrote: »

Hear, hear!

It is totalitarianism and Treason at its best...

What is?

Xtrail14 · 13-08-2020 12:05am

If China won’t make a fortune with a vaccine to their virus they are cashing in on us with their double dildo and mass mask production.

King Mob · 13-08-2020 12:06am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

What is?

Telling people to wear masks.

Exactly the same as Nazism apparently.

Dohnjoe · 13-08-2020 12:41am

King Mob wrote: »

Telling people to wear masks.

Exactly the same as Nazism apparently.

I guess the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic was a conspiracy as well.

King Mob · 13-08-2020 12:44am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I guess the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic was a conspiracy as well.

Every Disease is man made and part of a conspiracy apparently.

AIDS, Zika, Ebola, SARS, MERS... All made in a lab to bring about martial law. And they all succeeded.

Dohnjoe · 13-08-2020 1:04am

King Mob wrote: »

Every Disease is man made and part of a conspiracy apparently.

AIDS, Zika, Ebola, SARS, MERS... All made in a lab to bring about martial law. And they all succeeded.

Right, so they've succeeded in getting everyone to wear masks, what is supposed to happen next?

King Mob · 13-08-2020 1:11am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Right, so they've succeeded in getting everyone to wear masks, what is supposed to happen next?

One world government?
Bill Gates microchips everyone?
Something something evil leftist ploy?

But most likely whole thing eventually blows over, a few years pass and conspiracy theorists start the whole cycle again for the next big event and will insist that it's finally the real deal and it would be really martial law this time.

NaFirinne · 13-08-2020 1:58am

King Mob wrote: »

One world government?
Bill Gates microchips everyone?
Something something evil leftist ploy?

But most likely whole thing eventually blows over, a few years pass and conspiracy theorists start the whole cycle again for the next big event and will insist that it's finally the real deal and it would be really martial law this time.

You forgot taking kids off anyone who doesn't confirm to getting vaccinated.

King Mob · 13-08-2020 2:11am

NaFirinne wrote: »

You forgot taking kids off anyone who doesn't confirm to getting vaccinated.

Yup exactly like they did when swine flu hit and conspiracy theorists were claiming the same stuff then.

Ignoring the rest of my points I take it?

odyssey06 · 13-08-2020 8:08am

King Mob wrote: »

Telling people to wear masks.
Exactly the same as Nazism apparently.

I think the Nazis would have gone for herd immunity...
Plus won't all these masks make it harder for CCTV and facial recognition systems to work in public?
I would have thought anyone concerned about privacy would welcome a reason to wear a mask.

Dohnjoe · 13-08-2020 12:13pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

You forgot taking kids off anyone who doesn't confirm to getting vaccinated.

What is this?

Padre_Pio · 13-08-2020 1:33pm

s1ippy wrote: »

https://apnews.com/3c061794970661042b18d5aeaaed9fae

Some relevant info here; China only released the genome sequencing after three other labs had already mapped it. Serious obfuscation and you'd have to wonder the motive.

Probably something stupid like bureaucracy that delayed the release.
Did other labs in China get this information?

odyssey06 · 13-08-2020 1:37pm

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Probably something stupid like bureaucracy that delayed the release.
Did other labs in China get this information?

We know the Chinese government was trying to cover up this virus by suppressing reports from doctors and spin the line it was primarily spread by contact \ touch rather than droplets person to person. When an authoritarian government acts that way and sits on data, it's not a conspiracy theory, it's their general operating principle. It still doesn't speak to it being man made necessarily, whether accidentally or deliberately (a very high bar).

BorneTobyWilde · 13-08-2020 1:37pm

China may know more that they will reveal. I believe that much at least.

Why is no one in China getting sick? Makes no sense, it got out, infected 1000s and then they stopped it, some how they stopped it, and it was more that social distancing, because the whole world tried that, even New Zealand are getting cases, while China is not?
Something doesn't add up

MOH · 13-08-2020 1:40pm

Risteard81 wrote: »

Hear, hear!

It is totalitarianism and Treason at its best...

Dohnjoe wrote: »

What is?

'It'

You wouldn't get vary far in life not saying 'it'.

King Mob · 13-08-2020 1:48pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

I think the Nazis would have gone for herd immunity...
Plus won't all these masks make it harder for CCTV and facial recognition systems to work in public?
I would have thought anyone concerned about privacy would welcome a reason to wear a mask.

That's what Bill Gates' secret Satanic tracking chip is for.

Ipso · 13-08-2020 4:07pm

According to Davide Icke there is a surge in what he calls mask mouth. Another victory for George Soros.

Cheerful Spring2 · 13-08-2020 6:24pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

Various scientists have now come out and said that it's very likely that Covid 19 is a man made virus.

There no evidence this is a man-made virus. The reality is it's a nature virus
and origin it came from bats.

I think most people are confusing statements here that scientists are claiming a lab created an entire new virus from nothing, that's unrealistic here for this type of virus.

Tampering with a bat viruses is not science fiction.

NaFirinne · 14-08-2020 5:04pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

There no evidence this is a man-made virus. The reality is it's a nature virus
and origin it came from bats.

I think most people are confusing statements here that scientists are claiming a lab created an entire new virus from nothing, that's unrealistic here for this type of virus.

Tampering with a bat viruses is not science fiction.

it's a great excuse to implement policies not seen since world war 2 though.

Look at New Zealand with the lowest number of covid cases implementing camps for anyone who is a confirmed or in close proximity to a confirmed case.

King Mob · 14-08-2020 5:09pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

implementing camps for anyone who is a confirmed or in close proximity to a confirmed case.

Lol.

Again, why do you guys have to be so dishonest to promote your conspiracy theory?

odyssey06 · 14-08-2020 5:10pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

it's a great excuse to implement policies not seen since world war 2 though.
Look at New Zealand with the lowest number of covid cases implementing camps for anyone who is a confirmed or in close proximity to a confirmed case.

Not seen since world war 2?
Not sure what you're on about, USSR had camps for political dissidents.
Such countries don't need the excuse of pandemics.

The people NZ are isolating are there for no other reason except they are suspected of having an infectious disease.
They aren't being put there for political reasons.
They will be released when their medical treatment and quarantine period are over.

It's tenuous and offensive to the real victims of such camps to draw an equivalence.

NaFirinne · 14-08-2020 5:14pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Not seen since world war 2?
Not sure what you're on about, USSR had camps for political dissidents.
Such countries don't need the excuse of pandemics.

The people NZ are isolating are there for no other reason except they are suspected of having an infectious disease.
They aren't being put there for political reasons.
They will be released when their medical treatment and quarantine period are over.

It's tenuous and offensive to the real victims of such camps to draw an equivalence.

People being quarantined against there will. What happens to people who refuse?

Can't you see that this is just the start.

Ipso · 14-08-2020 5:17pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

People being quarantined against there will. What happens to people who refuse?

Can't you see that this is just the start.

Start of what? When you're wrong, will you admit it? Or will you be one of those that doubles down after every failed conspiracy/prediction and start lecturing us about the next step to enslavement?

odyssey06 · 14-08-2020 5:19pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

People being quarantined against there will. What happens to people who refuse? Can't you see that this is just the start.

Ireland has had such legislation since world war 2 and is a legacy of previous diseases such as TB.
It's not the start of anything. It's part of ending this virus or at least keeping a lid on it until a vaccine is available.
There is no conspiracy theory connecting to such legislation.

There is zero evidence Western democracies are abusing such powers as a means of silencing or suppressing political opponents.

NaFirinne · 14-08-2020 5:29pm

Ipso wrote: »

Start of what? When you're wrong, will you admit it? Or will you be one of those that doubles down after every failed conspiracy/prediction and start lecturing us about the next step to enslavement?

If I'm wrong yes I will admit it. I sure hope so.

Just looks to me like the world is starting to shape up to almost like the book of revelation told us about thousands of years ago.

I think in another 5 - 10 years we will see a lot of troubled times. With people being hugely divided.

Just look at the US...it's at the brink of a civil war. What happens to the rest of the world if it does go into an actual Civil War. Would that weaken the US so much to allow other Super Power like Russia and China to gain far more power then the already have and then using that to pressure Governments to follow their mandates.

Covid19 does originate from a natural virus. However this natural virus could have been easily manipulated by man too evolve in a way to make it more deadly to humans.

For example, They have a sample of covid that effects a certain animal. They try genetically modifying this but it fails or doesn't work very well.

So instead the purposely infect other animals which in turn allows the virus to evolve naturally, to become more effective across a number of species.

While a virus could seam totally natural. It doesn't mean that the original virus has not being manipulated by man to create different strains through infecting other types of animals with it and allowing it to evolve under lab conditions.

Covid-19 likely to be man made

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