Should we stop bullying the United Kingdom?

Zebra3 · 01-04-2018 9:19am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Bit OT but saw this graphic...

Brexit refugees?

That’ll be all the sprogs from the poxy weather.

Capt'n Midnight · 01-04-2018 11:05am

viclemronny wrote: »

It's less than 20%, according to the CSO.

A lot of stuff is trans-shipped through the UK rather than being made there.
There's a lot of UK middlemen and companies with UK regional headquarters that sell on stuff produced elsewhere in the EU. Post Brexit we'd still import Cadbury's chocolate from Poland. There are lots of UK brands now owned by multinationals like Weetabix and McVities.

The worlds biggest car ferry is now on the Dublin - Belgium route with 8Km of vehicle lanes on board - 5 miles in old money. And there's another on the way. There are also new ferries being built for the France route, with 3Km (2 miles) of vehicle lanes. The new Cork - Santander route starts next month.

Meanwhile in Wales they may not be able to keep all the ports open
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-43514165

Mr Martineau feared less freight "could close the port", as there may not be enough business for docks at both Pembroke Dock and Fishguard to operate.

badtoro · 01-04-2018 11:25am

Shake them by their ankles and steal their lunch money.

bear1 · 01-04-2018 11:58am

So unless in 1 year the UK offers another solution which is accepted by the eu and Ireland then the new border will be down the Irish sea?
I suspect the dup will collapse the government before that happens.
Worst thing may ever did was let that pack of pricks prop up her government as a tune of a billion pounds.

tayto lover · 01-04-2018 12:03pm

We should expel a few of their diplomats just to wind them up a bit more.

indioblack · 01-04-2018 12:50pm

daheff wrote: »

People have long memories.They remember 800 years...

I can't remember that far back - I'm not that old.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-05-2018 12:18am

Stop BRIT BASHING, Coveney

DUP MP Sammy Wilson accuses Coveney of being 'belligerent, interfering and a Brit basher'

Jacob Rees Mogg is making a stand

If the Irish Government obliges us to choose between the Republic and the Union, then we will choose the Union

riffmongous · 15-05-2018 12:57am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Stop BRIT BASHING, Coveney

DUP MP Sammy Wilson accuses Coveney of being 'belligerent, interfering and a Brit basher'

Jacob Rees Mogg is making a stand

If the Irish Government obliges us to choose between the Republic and the Union, then we will choose the Union

It's impossible to take that Rees Mogg man seriously, he just seems like a WUM pretending to be a toff

zapitastas · 15-05-2018 1:07am

riffmongous wrote: »

It's impossible to take that Rees Mogg man seriously, he just seems like a WUM pretending to be a toff

The people behind the comic the beano sent a cease-and-desist letter to Jacob Rees-Mogg asking him to stop impersonating their character Walter Brown, Aka Walter the Softy, the next-door neighbor of Dennis the Menace. They said it is a clear breach of their copyright and lists attributes in common like his hairstyle, glasses, bullish behaviour and snootiness.

aidan24326 · 15-05-2018 2:06am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Stop BRIT BASHING, Coveney

DUP MP Sammy Wilson accuses Coveney of being 'belligerent, interfering and a Brit basher'

Jacob Rees Mogg is making a stand

If the Irish Government obliges us to choose between the Republic and the Union, then we will choose the Union

I find it strange and a bit amusing that the Unionists in NI swear undying allegiance to a crown and a country that doesn't give a toss about them. Not so much as a dying fiddler's fart of a toss. It's like pledging undying love to a girl who thinks you're a stinking arsehole and wouldn't sleep with you if you were the last man on earth. And yet they delude themselves...

15-05-2018 2:57am

aidan24326 wrote: »

I find it strange and a bit amusing that the Unionists in NI swear undying allegiance to a crown and a country that doesn't give a toss about them. Not so much as a dying fiddler's fart of a toss. It's like pledging undying love to a girl who thinks you're a stinking arsehole and wouldn't sleep with you if you were the last man on earth. And yet they delude themselves...

I have to admit, I laugh at that as well. Northern Ireland are the nice guys of international politics.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-06-2018 12:59am

Ireland gives Britain two weeks to produce Brexit border proposals

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ireland/ireland-gives-britain-two-weeks-to-produce-brexit-border-proposals-idUSKCN1IY082?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5b129e3804d3015f4dd7fa35&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Could you imagine if Churchill was alive to see headline like that :pac: Disgraceful carry on.

https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1002664598263226368

Didn't Ireland offer to repay UK in full last year but was rejected by UK? This seems to be getting traction with the Brextremists though...

OldMrBrennan83 · 03-06-2018 1:04am

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Lucy8080 · 03-06-2018 3:15am

Aegir wrote: »

you need to read the Belfast Agreement more closely. NI and Scotland can only become independent from the UK if it is voted for by Parliament, because Parliament is sovereign.

That is the constitutional way.

Might be wrong here, but I was under the impression that sovereignty in the U.K. belongs solely to the Queen.

Parliament is "Her Majesty's" government. "Her people" are subjects. Unlike a republic, where the people are sovereign.

deco nate · 03-06-2018 3:40am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ireland gives Britain two weeks to produce Brexit border proposals

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ireland/ireland-gives-britain-two-weeks-to-produce-brexit-border-proposals-idUSKCN1IY082?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5b129e3804d3015f4dd7fa35&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Could you imagine if Churchill was alive to see headline like that :pac: Disgraceful carry on.

https://twitter.com/toryboypierce/status/1002664598263226368

Didn't Ireland offer to repay UK in full last year but was rejected by UK? This seems to be getting traction with the Brextremists though...

Did we, how do we have the money to pay them off all of a sudden? And why would they reject it?

deco nate · 03-06-2018 3:42am

Patww79 wrote: »

Could start getting dangerous over there for Irish. The rest tops basically control what most of their public thinks and they'll push this hard.

Could get dangerous for the Irish over there?!
Bull**** of the highest order post

Edit:i assume you mean the red tops as in papers, you really should give the to English more respect than reading the red tops...

Phoebas · 03-06-2018 7:35am

deco nate wrote: »

Did we, how do we have the money to pay them off all of a sudden? And why would they reject it?

We're paying 2.6% on that loan which is a lot more than our current cost of borrowing.
We could quite easily refinance it and save hundreds of millions in interest payments.

That's also the reason that the UK would reject it being paid off early. At the time the loan was granted, 2.6% represented the UKs cost of borrowing, but now that's a great rate of return for them.

03-06-2018 7:38am

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Might be wrong here, but I was under the impression that sovereignty in the U.K. belongs solely to the Queen.

Parliament is "Her Majesty's" government. "Her people" are subjects. Unlike a republic, where the people are sovereign.

You are wrong, yes. Parliament is sovereign and the British people are not subjects.

listermint · 03-06-2018 7:48am

deco nate wrote: »

Did we, how do we have the money to pay them off all of a sudden? And why would they reject it?

They're making a nice little interest earner , so basically they are not being cool in allowing us pay back quicker. Friends..... Yea when it suits.

listermint · 03-06-2018 7:49am

deco nate wrote: »

Could get dangerous for the Irish over there?!
Bull**** of the highest order post

Edit:i assume you mean the red tops as in papers, you really should give the to English more respect than reading the red tops...

You may be missing something here but the red tops are what pushed the referendum over the line.

lawred2 · 03-06-2018 7:51am

deco nate wrote: »

Did we, how do we have the money to pay them off all of a sudden? And why would they reject it?

We could refinance that next week at a much lower rate than is being paid on the current loan.

Nice of them to reject early repayment.

mickoneill31 · 03-06-2018 8:06am

So if Ireland looks after it's own interests that's bullying.
When the UK looks after it's interests it's patriotism.

I think people are fed up with the UK. They voted for this ****e and their opinion polls haven't changed hugely. Just get it over with so they won't need to blame the EU anymore for all their problems. Im not really serious about the last bit. Of course they'll blame the EU for Brexit.

bobbysands81 · 03-06-2018 8:17am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A British friend of mine told me today he felt Ireland was bullying the UK (I know!)over Brexit.

We can only do it with the help of our gallant allies of course now the UK is leaving and they despise them.

I do feel we may regret it down the road and that the Irish are somewhat awestruck with the sudden power they seem to have over the old foe, the tables turned etc.

It's a mirage - they'll fight on the beaches etc.

But aside from self interest maybe we should be supporting them? Sometimes I feel we are more British than Finchley.

They are our friends.

How is it bullying?

They have voted to leave the EU. We are still in EU.

There are consequences for them leaving the EU. They’re only now realizing that. The Irish Government are playing a blinder with Brexit, they’re far more prepared for it that the UK actually is.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-06-2018 9:39am

deco nate wrote: »

Did we, how do we have the money to pay them off all of a sudden? And why would they reject it?

We paid Denmark and Sweden in full early. Brits rejected because they are making a nice interest.

And yes we do have the money.

Ash.J.Williams · 03-06-2018 9:48am

We either bully them or get a military border again and that's a step back to the stone age

Sunny Disposition · 03-06-2018 10:15am

We are not bullying them. We are trying to get them not to slap a border across our country, they are in a position to decide if that happens or not, they are in a position to do the bullying, not us.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-06-2018 10:25am

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

they are in a position to do the bullying,

The UK is in a position to do the bullying?

You sure about that?

The EU does not agree. In fact the UK has surrendered everything to the EU so far in the "negotiation" so it is not really a negotiation at all. All that is left is Operation United Ireland and the EU will get that too.

timthumbni · 03-06-2018 10:31am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

they are in a position to do the bullying,

The UK is in a position to do the bullying?

You sure about that?

The EU does not agree. In fact the UK has surrendered everything to the EU so far in the "negotiation" so it is not really a negotiation at all. All that is left is Operation United Ireland and the EU will get that too.

Operation United Ireland???...... there is no such thing and there will be no such thing unless you persuade a sizeable number of ni unionists that it is a good thing.

Otherwise all you get is Dublin paying for NI as opposed to the uk. And good luck with that. The DLA bill for the falls rd alone would be enough to bankrupt the Celtic pussy cat alone......

ancapailldorcha · 03-06-2018 10:31am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The UK is in a position to do the bullying?

You sure about that?

The EU does not agree. In fact the UK has surrendered everything to the EU so far in the "negotiation" so it is not really a negotiation at all. All that is left is Operation United Ireland and the EU will get that too.

The UK initiated this process. Any amount of research at all would have indicated that this was always how things were going to pan out.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-06-2018 10:34am

timthumbni wrote: »

Operation United Ireland???...... there is no such thing and there will be no such thing unless you persuade a sizeable number of ni unionists that it is a good thing.

Otherwise all you get is Dublin paying for NI as opposed to the uk. And good luck with that. The DLA bill for the falls rd alone would be enough to bankrupt the Celtic pussy cat alone......

No, it wouldn't.

But maybe you should stop trying to make a virtue of being a parasite on the UK?

We can deal with parasites here. Disgusting things. Shame for it to happen to the Falls rd or the Shankill.

timthumbni · 03-06-2018 10:42am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

timthumbni wrote: »

Operation United Ireland???...... there is no such thing and there will be no such thing unless you persuade a sizeable number of ni unionists that it is a good thing.

Otherwise all you get is Dublin paying for NI as opposed to the uk. And good luck with that. The DLA bill for the falls rd alone would be enough to bankrupt the Celtic pussy cat alone......

No, it wouldn't.

But maybe you should stop trying to make a virtue of being a parasite on the UK?

We can deal with parasites here. Disgusting things. Shame for it to happen to the Falls rd or the Shankill.

I am part of the UK thanks very much. I’m just making the point that the whole term “United ireland” is an oxymoron as unlike for example the Berlin Wall and Germany all you would be doing is importing nearly a million people who really don’t want anything to do with you. That would seem insane to most people and to refer to it as being “United” would be just bat**** crazy....

Kermit.de.frog · 03-06-2018 10:45am

timthumbni wrote: »

I am part of the UK thanks very much. I’m just making the point that the whole term “United ireland” is an oxymoron as unlike for example the Berlin Wall and Germany all you would be doing is importing nearly a million people who really don’t want anything to do with you. That would seem insane to most people and to refer to it as being “United” would be just bat**** crazy....

They can leave like Arlene Foster.

Again I want to ask you about the unionist mentality of making a virtue of being a parasite on the UK. Do you not find that embarrassing? When they talk about the subsidy is there not a part of you that cringes?

Our strategy obviously is to get the north away from that and make unification easier. More private sector.

timthumbni · 03-06-2018 10:49am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

timthumbni wrote: »

I am part of the UK thanks very much. I’m just making the point that the whole term “United ireland” is an oxymoron as unlike for example the Berlin Wall and Germany all you would be doing is importing nearly a million people who really don’t want anything to do with you. That would seem insane to most people and to refer to it as being “United” would be just bat**** crazy....

They can leave like Arlene Foster.

Again I want to ask you about the unionist mentality of making a virtue of being a parasite on the UK. Do you not find that embarrassing?

I will be going nowhere chum. Do you find it embarrassing that the republic had to borrow billions of the uk to keep your lights on a few years back too..? Or is that different??

Samuel T. Cogley · 03-06-2018 10:50am

Give it about 798 more years tbh.

03-06-2018 10:57am

timthumbni wrote: »

I will be going nowhere chum. Do you find it embarrassing that the republic had to borrow billions of the uk to keep your lights on a few years back too..? Or is that different??

The UK hasn't borrowed anything? Funny because the UK ran large deficits longer than we did. Now I could be wrong but I think the way deficits are covered is by borrowing money. At the end of 2016 the UK ran a deficit of £65.4 billion and had a total debt of 2016 the total debt was over £1.7 trillion. Oh and the UK has a higher debt/GDP than Ireland despite what was apparently a cataclysm in Ireland very recently.
Nice turn of phrase about keeping the lights on, in NI yous will probably be fine because we, your brothers, will help out with things but the mainland could be in for interesting times when it comes to power generation.
But hey, you'll be welcome for a pint any time, we'll be glad to finally have yous.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-06-2018 11:01am

timthumbni wrote: »

I will be going nowhere chum. Do you find it embarrassing that the republic had to borrow billions of the uk to keep your lights on a few years back too..? Or is that different??

Well, firstly, NI does not borrow from the UK. Like a child you are given an allowance.

Secondly the international community lean't money to Ireland in the banking crisis. The UK contributed 3%.

All being repaid with interest. Denmark and Sweden repaid early. .IMF repaid early.

So how was the UK keeping our lights on exactly?

I'd rather live in a multicultural country that is a net contributor to the European Union - a massive club - than be a sponger from a small country like the UK who does not respect me and would throw me under a bus given the chance.

You might want to address your "loyalty". lol 2018 and talking loyalty.

timthumbni · 03-06-2018 11:03am

Deleted User wrote: »

timthumbni wrote: »

I will be going nowhere chum. Do you find it embarrassing that the republic had to borrow billions of the uk to keep your lights on a few years back too..? Or is that different??

The UK hasn't borrowed anything? Funny because the UK ran large deficits longer than we did. Now I could be wrong but I think the way deficits are covered is by borrowing money. At the end of 2016 the UK ran a deficit of £65.4 billion and had a total debt of 2016 the total debt was over £1.7 trillion. Oh and the UK has a higher debt/GDP than Ireland despite what was apparently a cataclysm in Ireland very recently.
Nice turn of phrase about keeping the lights on, in NI yous will probably be fine because we, your brothers, will help out with things but the mainland could be in for interesting times when it comes to power generation.
But hey, you'll be welcome for a pint any time, we'll be glad to finally have yous.

That was specific to the poster who referred to us as parasites. I would have a pint anytime but just because I have a drink with someone doesn’t mean I want to sleep and set up a home with them.

Just making a point about the whole nonsense of the term and so called “United” Ireland that some refer to.

seachto7 · 03-06-2018 11:11am

I agree with timthumbni. Why would unionists/loyalists want to be in a 32 county Ireland anymore than nationalist/republicans want to be in the UK?
A monster has been created. In 1922 it should have been either a 32 county republic or 32 as part of the UK or commonwealth.
Would a United ireland mean people in Longford have no problem with July 12th marches and massive polluting bonfires?

Capt'n Midnight · 03-06-2018 11:14am

The loan payback, pounds or euro ?

timthumbni · 03-06-2018 11:16am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

timthumbni wrote: »

I will be going nowhere chum. Do you find it embarrassing that the republic had to borrow billions of the uk to keep your lights on a few years back too..? Or is that different??

Well, firstly, NI does not borrow from the UK. Like a child you are given an allowance.

Secondly the international community lean't money to Ireland in the banking crisis. The UK contributed 3%.

All being repaid with interest. Denmark and Sweden repaid early. .IMF repaid early.

So how was the UK keeping our lights on exactly?

I'd rather live in a multicultural country that is a net contributor to the European Union - a massive club - than be a sponger from a small country like the UK who does not respect me and would throw me under a bus given the chance.

You might want to address your "loyalty". lol 2018 and talking loyalty.

And how long has the republic been a net contributor to the eu exactly? What about when you weren’t.? Were you a “sponger” then?? Silly argument to be honest.

lawred2 · 03-06-2018 11:24am

timthumbni wrote: »

And how long has the republic been a net contributor to the eu exactly? What about when you weren’t.? Were you a “sponger” then?? Silly argument to be honest.

Actually it serves as evidence of the progress made economically in Ireland.

Economic progress not being made in the North due to its fondness for the hind teat.

Will the North ever be weaned off? Ever support itself?

Trasna1 · 03-06-2018 11:32am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The loan payback, pounds or euro ?

It's in pounds so Ireland assumes the currency risk.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 03-06-2018 11:41am

deco nate wrote: »

Could get dangerous for the Irish over there?!
Bull**** of the highest order post

Edit:i assume you mean the red tops as in papers, you really should give the to English more respect than reading the red tops...

Not really - they're just as moronic as the Irish when it comes to tabloids: case in point, muslim immigration; but that's another thread.

I don't think they'd try for an anti-Irish angle though - they'd lose too many readers.

timthumbni · 03-06-2018 11:43am

lawred2 wrote: »

timthumbni wrote: »

And how long has the republic been a net contributor to the eu exactly? What about when you weren’t.? Were you a “sponger” then?? Silly argument to be honest.

Actually it serves as evidence of the progress made economically in Ireland.

Economic progress not being made in the North due to its fondness for the hind teat.

Will the North ever be weaned off? Ever support itself?

The hostility towards unionists and indeed Northern Ireland in general is evident here. And some clowns talk of a so called “United” Ireland.

We are still paying the price for violent, murder loving provos trying and failing in bombing and shooting the place to a UI. Because that’s always what unites people .. blowing up towns, kids outside McDonald’s etc etc.

At least sf have a new leader now who reaches out to unionists ....... by attending ira terrorist get togethers and shouting chalky are la(spelling I know) at the end of her speech. Priceless......

Kermit.de.frog · 03-06-2018 11:49am

timthumbni wrote: »

The hostility towards unionists and indeed Northern Ireland in general is evident here. And some clowns talk of a so called “United” Ireland.

We are still paying the price for violent, murder loving provos trying and failing in bombing and shooting the place to a UI. Because that’s always what unites people .. blowing up towns, kids outside McDonald’s etc etc.

At least sf have a new leader now who reaches out to unionists ....... by attending ira terrorist get togethers and shouting chalky are la(spelling I know) at the end of her speech. Priceless......

What are you going to do when the DUP have to suck Tory dick this month and accept an Irish sea border?:(

I'm worried for you.

OldRio · 03-06-2018 11:50am

timthumbni wrote: »

The hostility towards unionists and indeed Northern Ireland in general is evident here. And some clowns talk of a so called “United” Ireland.

We are still paying the price for violent, murder loving provos trying and failing in bombing and shooting the place to a UI. Because that’s always what unites people .. blowing up towns, kids outside McDonald’s etc etc.

At least sf have a new leader now who reaches out to unionists ....... by attending ira terrorist get togethers and shouting chalky are la(spelling I know) at the end of her speech. Priceless......

Oh dear me. The facade has cracked and the true face is revealed. A dinosaur.

timthumbni · 03-06-2018 11:54am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

timthumbni wrote: »

The hostility towards unionists and indeed Northern Ireland in general is evident here. And some clowns talk of a so called “United” Ireland.

We are still paying the price for violent, murder loving provos trying and failing in bombing and shooting the place to a UI. Because that’s always what unites people .. blowing up towns, kids outside McDonald’s etc etc.

At least sf have a new leader now who reaches out to unionists ....... by attending ira terrorist get togethers and shouting chalky are la(spelling I know) at the end of her speech. Priceless......

What are you going to do when the DUP have to suck Tory dick this month and accept an Irish sea border?:(

I'm worried for you.

Such a pretty turn of phrase you have there. I think you will find that others think it’s the conservatives who need the dup but you worry all you want pal. Though they say worry isn’t good for the digestion.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-06-2018 11:57am

timthumbni wrote: »

Such a pretty turn of phrase you have there. I think you will find that others think it’s the conservatives who need the dup but you worry all you want pal. Though they say worry isn’t good for the digestion.

The DUP will suck hard..for a border in the Irish sea. :pac: It's coming. They don't want Corbyn.

timthumbni · 03-06-2018 11:59am

OldRio wrote: »

timthumbni wrote: »

The hostility towards unionists and indeed Northern Ireland in general is evident here. And some clowns talk of a so called “United” Ireland.

We are still paying the price for violent, murder loving provos trying and failing in bombing and shooting the place to a UI. Because that’s always what unites people .. blowing up towns, kids outside McDonald’s etc etc.

At least sf have a new leader now who reaches out to unionists ....... by attending ira terrorist get togethers and shouting chalky are la(spelling I know) at the end of her speech. Priceless......

Oh dear me. The facade has cracked and the true face is revealed. A dinosaur.

Yes because if you had read other posts I have made I have never once criticized the IRA/SF before. It’s only just came out now. You have got me there old Rio. Sherlock Holmes will never be dead whilst you are alive mate. ;-)

And btw if you refer to people as dinosaurs because they don’t forget about exactly what the ira were and are then you must have led a very sheltered safe upbringing.

OldRio · 03-06-2018 12:01pm

Please don't refer to me as 'mate'

Should we stop bullying the United Kingdom?

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