Dublin’s traffic it’s a two part problem.

Twenty Grand · 20-12-2018 10:42pm

P_1 wrote: »

And so long as mé Féiner lemmings like eric carman keep voting for ff/fg this cycle is doomed to repeat itself

Tragedy of the commons is a human condition.

Eric Cartman · 21-12-2018 3:23am

P_1 wrote: »

Simple, you don't buy the house, you rent.

I would wager that the cost of driving to the city every day all in plus my rent is a significant amount lower than your rent.

Macy0161 · 21-12-2018 9:38am

I probably said earlier in this thread, the main opposition to Park and Rides, and in particular Buses isn't anything to do with the service, it's simply people don't want to get out of the cars. Easier to say "Rail is the solution" than admit that, knowing that rail will take significantly longer to implement.

Park and Rides, and a decent bus service are the carrot. You put them in place, and then implement the sticks of tolls and congestion charges to change the cost/ benefit analysis for individuals.

ELM327 · 21-12-2018 9:49am

tom1ie wrote: »

Are you serious?
What about the next generation, your kids? You don’t give a fcuk then? I don’t care if you drive an ev it’s not as efficient as sharing a bus with 80 other people who have left there diesel at home.
Yours is the worst post I’ve seen on here yet.

Driving an EV powered by 100% renewable energy (I do pretty much all my charging at work, which is powered 100% by renewables) is infinetly more efficient and better for the environment than sitting a bunch of people in a bus belching out diesel fumes. If you've ever sat near a BE or DB vehicle in traffic you'll know how pollutant they are.

Quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn what you deem my post as, you ain't getting me into some socialist slum on wheels/rails when I have a perfectly good car at home!

L1011 · 21-12-2018 9:55am

Unless your employer has its own generation, it isn't powered by renewables. It may have a contract with a supplier to provide the same amount of energy used in to the SEM from renewable sources but that would be annualised, not live. So you're likely charging off gas a lot of the time

ELM327 · 21-12-2018 10:04am

L1011 wrote: »

Unless your employer has its own generation, it isn't powered by renewables. It may have a contract with a supplier to provide the same amount of energy used in to the SEM from renewable sources but that would be annualised, not live. So you're likely charging off gas a lot of the time

Having spent multiple years in the energy supply industry including pricing and procurement I'm well aware of the mechanism, thanks.

It means that the energy fed into "the grid" to make up what is consumed at our site must be renewable. Therefore logically it is not a stretch to state that the car is charged (and the company ran) on 100% renewable energy.

AndrewJRenko · 21-12-2018 11:28am

ELM327 wrote: »

It means that the energy fed into "the grid" to make up what is consumed at our site must be renewable. Therefore logically it is not a stretch to state that the car is charged (and the company ran) on 100% renewable energy.

What is the direct connection between your consumption and the energy fed into the grid? Are you generating the energy fed into the grid?

tom1ie · 21-12-2018 11:37am

ELM327 wrote: »

Driving an EV powered by 100% renewable energy (I do pretty much all my charging at work, which is powered 100% by renewables) is infinetly more efficient and better for the environment than sitting a bunch of people in a bus belching out diesel fumes. If you've ever sat near a BE or DB vehicle in traffic you'll know how pollutant they are.

Quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn what you deem my post as, you ain't getting me into some socialist slum on wheels/rails when I have a perfectly good car at home!

If you and others like you got the bus, the bus wouldn’t be sitting in traffic belching out diesel fumes, that’s the point!
A bus with occupancy of 80 takes 80 single occupancy cars off the road. That is a reduction in emissions, no point in arguing that.
Your company is NOT Powered by 100% renewables, it’s power usage is offset by the amount of renewable energy produced by the utility. The utility is not providing 100% energy 100% of the time, that’s simply impossible. Do you think there is an extra 100% renewable power grid connected to your company?
Unless your company depends 100% on its own pv panels and turbines and geothermal for energy etc etc. if that’s the case i apologise but I highly doubt it is.

As you can see from the link the demand required far outweighs what renewable energy can supply to the grid so if your stating that the grid supplying your company is providing 100% renewables your wrong.
http://smartgriddashboard.eirgrid.com/

L1011 · 21-12-2018 11:42am

ELM327 wrote: »

It means that the energy fed into "the grid" to make up what is consumed at our site must be renewable.

Over an time period, likely annualised. There is zero chance your contract requires them to supply renewables the entire time - or else they'd cut you off repeatedly during the year when the supply of renewables falls below the level contracted to the various consumers with the same contracts. Which they don't do.

ELM327 wrote: »

Therefore logically it is not a stretch to state that the car is charged (and the company ran) on 100% renewable energy.

It absolutely is.

ELM327 · 21-12-2018 11:58am

tom1ie wrote: »

If you and others like you got the bus, the bus wouldn’t be sitting in traffic belching out diesel fumes, that’s the point!
A bus with occupancy of 80 takes 80 single occupancy cars off the road. That is a reduction in emissions, no point in arguing that.
Your company is NOT Powered by 100% renewables, it’s power usage is offset by the amount of renewable energy produced by the utility. The utility is not providing 100% energy 100% of the time, that’s simply impossible. Do you think there is an extra 100% renewable power grid connected to your company?
Unless your company depends 100% on its own pv panels and turbines and geothermal for energy etc etc. if that’s the case i apologise but I highly doubt it is.

As you can see from the link the demand required far outweighs what renewable energy can supply to the grid so if your stating that the grid supplying your company is providing 100% renewables your wrong.
http://smartgriddashboard.eirgrid.com/

This is just silly.
I have worked in the industry for a number of years, on the supply side. I've dealt with Transmission and Distribution... and even priced renewable energy contracts for large firms like the one I now work in.

I am not saying that the power is switched off when there's no renewables. I am not saying the company is connected to its own windfarm. The mind boggles with some of this nonsense.

What happens with a 100% renewable energy contract is that whatever energy you take from the grid - usually on a monthly basis or annualised - is replaced with renewables. This may not be at the time of usage, but it is replacing that usage with green energy. Hence why it is more expensive to procure green energy if you are a supply company which does not generate its own green energy.

Macy0161 · 21-12-2018 12:02pm

EV may or may not be better for the environment, but they do nothing for congestion.

subpar · 21-12-2018 12:06pm

A fairly simple solution to creating more free space on the cities street and main roads without building new roads or widening existing roads would be to re design the existing traffic lights as follows.

1. Remove the existing road mounted poles , bollards and islands - ie create a flat and unobstructed road surface for the full width of the road.
2. Hang the traffic lights on over head wires
3. Devote 2/3 of the road surface to expected heavier flow of traffic in the to cope with the morning / evening peak and reverse as required.

L1011 · 21-12-2018 12:19pm

ELM327 wrote: »

The mind boggles with some of this nonsense.
.

The nonsense is you believing the greenwashing.

You are charging your electric car with heavily gas turbine generated power at peak times. Anything else is nonsense.

tom1ie · 21-12-2018 1:12pm

ELM327 wrote: »

This is just silly.
I have worked in the industry for a number of years, on the supply side. I've dealt with Transmission and Distribution... and even priced renewable energy contracts for large firms like the one I now work in.

I am not saying that the power is switched off when there's no renewables. I am not saying the company is connected to its own windfarm. The mind boggles with some of this nonsense.

What happens with a 100% renewable energy contract is that whatever energy you take from the grid - usually on a monthly basis or annualised - is replaced with renewables. This may not be at the time of usage, but it is replacing that usage with green energy. Hence why it is more expensive to procure green energy if you are a supply company which does not generate its own green energy.

Your being silly. Renewable energy is usually 40% approx of total energy consumed by the grid. Therefore the energy you se to charge your ev couldn’t be solely renewable energy as renewable plus fossil is mixed to feed the grid at any given time. This is pretty simple to be honest.

magicbastarder · 21-12-2018 1:15pm

i can see logic in both sides of the argument.
it's like you both pouring 1l of water into a container, and ELM337 taking a glass of it out and drinking it, and claiming 'i am only drinking from my share of the water' - which is fair as he's taken less than what he put in, but someone else saying 'but half of the water you're drinking came from someone else's container!'

ELM327 · 21-12-2018 2:16pm

L1011 wrote: »

The nonsense is you believing the greenwashing.

You are charging your electric car with heavily gas turbine generated power at peak times. Anything else is nonsense.

You are focusing on where the power comes from instantaneously while disregarding the contribution to the grid mix being 100% green (IE if my company use 1gwh then 1gwh of green has to be added to the grid. Not instantly but on an aggregate basis, monthly usually)

I'm not greenwashed, far from it, I've owned multiple diesel V8 pickups and other cars getting 10mpg. My viewpoint is based on working in the energy supply industry and writing pricing contracts for large firms and procuring the energy.

tom1ie wrote: »

Your being silly. Renewable energy is usually 40% approx of total energy consumed by the grid. Therefore the energy you se to charge your ev couldn’t be solely renewable energy as renewable plus fossil is mixed to feed the grid at any given time. This is pretty simple to be honest.

See above. It is pretty simple, you're right. But you're not getting it.

magicbastarder wrote: »

i can see logic in both sides of the argument.
it's like you both pouring 1l of water into a container, and ELM337 taking a glass of it out and drinking it, and claiming 'i am only drinking from my share of the water' - which is fair as he's taken less than what he put in, but someone else saying 'but half of the water you're drinking came from someone else's container!'

Taking the water analogy. Imagine the 1 litre that I paid to put in was mineral water and the rest was tap water.
Imagine mineral water was good for the environment and tap water was produced by burning whales.

Let's now say that I paid for 1 litre of mineral water to be put in the network (at a premium) and then take out 1l of water for my own use.

My 1 litre was notionally "mineral" , while it is unlikely to actually be the same water I added to the water, my payment and procurement of 1l of mineral water added 1 litre to the grid of mineral water which will be used, adding 1l of mineral and reducing the grid demand for tap by 1 litre. This is how "100% renewable" pricing green energy contracts are worded. And how it works in reality,.

P_1 · 21-12-2018 2:20pm

Whatever about greenwashing, EVs do absolutely nothing to solve the issue of too many vehicles, too little space

ELM327 · 21-12-2018 2:23pm

P_1 wrote: »

Whatever about greenwashing, EVs do absolutely nothing to solve the issue of too many vehicles, too little space

Completely true.
But there was nonsense being posted and I had to challenge it.

EV were only mentioned as a throwaway comment when someone came out with the "won't you think of the environment" rubbish. As if a big diesel bus is good for the environment.

tom1ie · 21-12-2018 2:34pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Completely true.
But there was nonsense being posted and I had to challenge it.

EV were only mentioned as a throwaway comment when someone came out with the "won't you think of the environment" rubbish. As if a big diesel bus is good for the environment.

It is compared to 80 diesel single occupancy cars or 80 petrol single occupancy cars. In fact how much lithium, steel, rubber etc would go into building 80 ev’s compared with the amount of natural resources required to build one double decker bus........

Also if you’ve 100gw of fossil fuel poured into the grid along with 100gw of renewables on, let’s say, Monday, and your ev is charged on Monday from the same grid, how can you claim you have charged your ev from 100% renewables? You are talking about offset renewables.

ELM327 · 21-12-2018 2:38pm

tom1ie wrote: »

It is compared to 80 diesel single occupancy cars or 80 petrol single occupancy cars. In fact how much lithium, steel, rubber etc would go into building 80 ev’s compared with the amount of natural resources required to build one double decker bus........

Probably not much steel, cars are normally aluminium these days

To be honest if you'd like to debate this further there's a great EV forum on here, I don't want to detract further from the point here which is the impact on traffic.

To get back on topic somewhat, yes 80 people in a bus, regardless of propulsion method, can take up less space on the road of course than 80 cars. But you'll always have people that don't want to take the bus and will even pay a premium not to have to. If you're earning 70-100k you're not going to take a bus to work.

L1011 · 21-12-2018 2:46pm

Cars are still mostly steel.

tom1ie · 21-12-2018 2:57pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Probably not much steel, cars are normally aluminium these days

To be honest if you'd like to debate this further there's a great EV forum on here, I don't want to detract further from the point here which is the impact on traffic.

To get back on topic somewhat, yes 80 people in a bus, regardless of propulsion method, can take up less space on the road of course than 80 cars. But you'll always have people that don't want to take the bus and will even pay a premium not to have to. If you're earning 70-100k you're not going to take a bus to work.

Lol! So it’s a class thing then!

AndrewJRenko · 21-12-2018 2:58pm

ELM327 wrote: »

If you're earning 70-100k you're not going to take a bus to work.

Bwaahaahaa Bwaahaahaa Bwaahaahaa

magicbastarder · 21-12-2018 2:59pm

i know people earning well in excess of that who take PT.

magicbastarder · 21-12-2018 3:02pm

random aside, that reminds me of a story once published in the irish times - a bank manager with one of the big banks wrote to him; he'd been given a company car (not that he particularly wanted it), but continued cycling to work. his wife used the car during the day, but it was spotted that she was using the car and he was not, and was given a dressing down and told 'we've provided this car to you, use it to get to work'.
they backed down when the IT contacted them, IIRC. but it was over 20 years ago, so my memory is fuzzy on some of the details.

FreudianSlippers · 22-12-2018 5:43pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

i know people earning well in excess of that who take PT.

I actually don't believe this. I can believe that these people may take the bus every now and then, I'd go so far as to say that they more frequently use the DART, but I don't know anyone earning in excess of €100k that frequently uses PT as a manner of commuting.

P_1 · 22-12-2018 6:05pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I actually don't believe this. I can believe that these people may take the bus every now and then, I'd go so far as to say that they more frequently use the DART, but I don't know anyone earning in excess of €100k that frequently uses PT as a manner of commuting.

Depends on the industry I'd say.

Someone high up in the tech sector likely would, someone high up in the legal sector likely wouldn't

FreudianSlippers · 22-12-2018 6:16pm

P_1 wrote: »

Depends on the industry I'd say.

Someone high up in the tech sector likely would, someone high up in the legal sector likely wouldn't

Yeah fair enough, that's a good point. Most tech people that I would know earning over €100k live within walking distance of work/town though, so they wouldn't be using PT on a daily basis either.

P_1 · 22-12-2018 6:51pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Yeah fair enough, that's a good point. Most tech people that I would know earning over €100k live within walking distance of work/town though, so they wouldn't be using PT on a daily basis either.

Would be interesting to see data from the last census that links employment sector and mode of transport taken to and from work

AndrewJRenko · 22-12-2018 7:24pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

magicbastarder wrote: »

i know people earning well in excess of that who take PT.

I actually don't believe this. I can believe that these people may take the bus every now and then, I'd go so far as to say that they more frequently use the DART, but I don't know anyone earning in excess of €100k that frequently uses PT as a manner of commuting.

The fact that you don't know such people does not mean that they don't exist.

They do exist. Here's one.

https://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/07/15/he-stole-summer/

P_1 · 22-12-2018 7:52pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

random aside, that reminds me of a story once published in the irish times - a bank manager with one of the big banks wrote to him; he'd been given a company car (not that he particularly wanted it), but continued cycling to work. his wife used the car during the day, but it was spotted that she was using the car and he was not, and was given a dressing down and told 'we've provided this car to you, use it to get to work'.
they backed down when the IT contacted them, IIRC. but it was over 20 years ago, so my memory is fuzzy on some of the details.

I do wonder if some (particularly older) industries that generally seem to have an obsession about projecting a certain image would consider the fancy car to be part of the uniform so to say

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-12-2018 11:21pm

P_1 wrote: »

I do wonder if some (particularly older) industries that generally seem to have an obsession about projecting a certain image would consider the fancy car to be part of the uniform so to say

I know some jobs that are insistent on giving people a car instead of a van to convey a certain image (and have the employee paying a huge amount more money).

magicbastarder · 22-12-2018 11:27pm

my father was a bank manager; he also was forced to take a company car (which he also resisted, but it was a bit more complicated as he was actually doing a lot of driving and getting good mileage expenses, which plummeted once a car was provided).
but IIRC (and this was over 20 years ago, so i'll have to check with him for details) a lot of other managers who weren't getting mileage were forced to take company cars, which many weren't happy about as the BIK wasn't worth the benefit.

for a good few years, he cycled into the city centre to his job, from D15 (before having to do the driving); i think he stopped after too many attempts to steal his bike, he had an early kryptonite lock and at one point after someone realised they couldn't break the lock, they squirted superglue into it.

L1011 · 23-12-2018 12:33am

My father was director / C level and took the train until retirement; our CEO in work takes the Luas. I use the train and I'd be at senior management level.

It's Thatcherite nonsense about not using PT - driving is so slow in cities that you are burning extremely valuable time at that pay scale doing it.

If I drive to work I lose a full hour a day versus the train - although I can't work on the train as I have to stand. It also costs approaching 500/month in tolls because it's another two hours a day gone to not use the tunnel - I wouldn't work for the equivalent salary of that cost to time ratio

Eric Cartman · 24-12-2018 1:28pm

Patww79 wrote: »

I know some jobs that are insistent on giving people a car instead of a van to convey a certain image (and have the employee paying a huge amount more money).

I think it goes the other way to, renting everything , scooters , cycling , go cars are all very much part of the image a lot of 'hip' tech companies etc.. want to project.

As much as people want to have a go at a 5 series being part of the uniform for a mid level sales exec , the expensive city apartment , 5 euro coffee, 12 euro sandwich and an expensive scooter / bike are very much part of it for a lot of these tech companies.

Youre more likely to find the latter person complaining about being broke, unable to afford a house etc.. plenty of tech employees in the 75-100k a year band without a cent of savings whos paycheck is being eaten by keeping a mediocre enough lifestyle on the go and the excess cost of everything in the city

P_1 · 24-12-2018 2:55pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think it goes the other way to, renting everything , scooters , cycling , go cars are all very much part of the image a lot of 'hip' tech companies etc.. want to project.

As much as people want to have a go at a 5 series being part of the uniform for a mid level sales exec , the expensive city apartment , 5 euro coffee, 12 euro sandwich and an expensive scooter / bike are very much part of it for a lot of these tech companies.

Youre more likely to find the latter person complaining about being broke, unable to afford a house etc.. plenty of tech employees in the 75-100k a year band without a cent of savings whos paycheck is being eaten by keeping a mediocre enough lifestyle on the go and the excess cost of everything in the city

You're not wrong there tbh.

Being honest there are times when I'd crave just living in a shack on Achill. Seems a simpler life.

Working in town sometimes bringing in a packed lunch or bringing in, gasp, a mug and a jar of instant coffee is frowned on.

You are always going to get some mug wasting a grand on a flash singlespeed bike that really should have only cost a hundred or some tour de France wannabe doing their 7k commute on some carbon monstrosity that would crack at the slightest mention of a pothole too

AlmightyCushion · 24-12-2018 3:10pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I think it goes the other way to, renting everything , scooters , cycling , go cars are all very much part of the image a lot of 'hip' tech companies etc.. want to project.

As much as people want to have a go at a 5 series being part of the uniform for a mid level sales exec , the expensive city apartment , 5 euro coffee, 12 euro sandwich and an expensive scooter / bike are very much part of it for a lot of these tech companies.

Youre more likely to find the latter person complaining about being broke, unable to afford a house etc.. plenty of tech employees in the 75-100k a year band without a cent of savings whos paycheck is being eaten by keeping a mediocre enough lifestyle on the go and the excess cost of everything in the city

I have a friend in a tech multi national here in Dublin and it's the exact opposite. They're not on 100k but they get free meals in work, breakfast, lunch and even dinner if you want. Health care is paid for by the company, free gym too. She doesn't have a bike or a scooter but even if she did she could get it on the bike to work scheme and get a good bike for a net cost of about 500 euro.

Eric Cartman · 25-12-2018 5:58pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I have a friend in a tech multi national here in Dublin and it's the exact opposite. They're not on 100k but they get free meals in work, breakfast, lunch and even dinner if you want. Health care is paid for by the company, free gym too. She doesn't have a bike or a scooter but even if she did she could get it on the bike to work scheme and get a good bike for a net cost of about 500 euro.

the free healthcare and gym is getting more and more common across all employers, the free food for the 5 days in work is certainly an advantage a small percentage of tech companies offer. The bike to work scheme is an option for most companies too.

The issue is not 'things you can do', but 'things people often do / feel they are expected to do' Like a lawyer or a salesman may be expected to hit up a bmw dealership when buying a car , people in tech companies often have peer pressure put on them to live around grand canal dock, drop 50 quid a week on brunch , buy a 1500 quid bike , eat at expensive restaurants (usually organic / vegan / some other gimmick ) on the weekends, drink in bars selling craft brews for 7 euro a go, get coffee for a 5er in places like 3fe , and then theres the keeping up with the social media game of going on really exotic holidays to india or south america etc... The pressure of trying to fit in in some tech companies can often be overwhelming and leave you living paycheck to paycheck trying to keep up. Also in the tech world head hunting and who you know and reffering talent by friends whove moved to other companies is often the way to get on in there.

sure 75k gross is about 4000 a month take home, the grand canal dock apartment alone will eat 1200-1500 of that if youre sharing and over half your sallary if youre living alone / paying a partners rent. 500 a week to spend in that city goes very very quickly when youre dependant on taxis for any kind of long distance, delivery drivers for most things , and the excess cost of everything . friday pints, saturday lunch, saturday dinner, saturday night out, sunday brunch and even 2 15 euro taxis a week would eat in excess of half of that guaranteed, and thats not an unusual cycle for people in those circles.

P_1 · 25-12-2018 6:46pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the free healthcare and gym is getting more and more common across all employers, the free food for the 5 days in work is certainly an advantage a small percentage of tech companies offer. The bike to work scheme is an option for most companies too.

The issue is not 'things you can do', but 'things people often do / feel they are expected to do' Like a lawyer or a salesman may be expected to hit up a bmw dealership when buying a car , people in tech companies often have peer pressure put on them to live around grand canal dock, drop 50 quid a week on brunch , buy a 1500 quid bike , eat at expensive restaurants (usually organic / vegan / some other gimmick ) on the weekends, drink in bars selling craft brews for 7 euro a go, get coffee for a 5er in places like 3fe , and then theres the keeping up with the social media game of going on really exotic holidays to india or south america etc... The pressure of trying to fit in in some tech companies can often be overwhelming and leave you living paycheck to paycheck trying to keep up. Also in the tech world head hunting and who you know and reffering talent by friends whove moved to other companies is often the way to get on in there.

sure 75k gross is about 4000 a month take home, the grand canal dock apartment alone will eat 1200-1500 of that if youre sharing and over half your sallary if youre living alone / paying a partners rent. 500 a week to spend in that city goes very very quickly when youre dependant on taxis for any kind of long distance, delivery drivers for most things , and the excess cost of everything . friday pints, saturday lunch, saturday dinner, saturday night out, sunday brunch and even 2 15 euro taxis a week would eat in excess of half of that guaranteed, and thats not an unusual cycle for people in those circles.

Ecquine feaces

OldMrBrennan83 · 25-12-2018 6:50pm

P_1 wrote: »

Ecquine feaces

Yeah it all only works the way you agree with. Truth.

P_1 · 25-12-2018 7:46pm

Patww79 wrote: »

Yeah it all only works the way you agree with. Truth.

There is no expectation on you to live in grand canal dock. Who'd want to live there anyway, its boujie as fook.

There is no expectation on you to go for brunch

There is no expectation on you to drink craft beer at silly prices

There is no expectation on you to spend silly money on a bike

Next assumptions please gowls

Eric Cartman · 25-12-2018 7:56pm

P_1 wrote: »

There is no expectation on you to live in grand canal dock. Who'd want to live there anyway, its boujie as fook.

There is no expectation on you to go for brunch

There is no expectation on you to drink craft beer at silly prices

There is no expectation on you to spend silly money on a bike

Next assumptions please gowls

Thats the lifestyle many of these tech company hipsters lead. They might be a new generation but the same pressures that made our parents put porches on their 3 bed semi, change the car every year or join a golf club are still manifesting themselves in the same way in living this lifestyle.

I get the sense that you see yourself as some sort of 'defying convention' type, you might bike to work and live in the city which is 'boujie' as hell these days mate, but the rest of it isnt for you, however its the new standard for many. "who the hell wants to live in grand canal dock" , judging by apartment prices- fooking loads of people.

Shai · 25-12-2018 11:25pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Thats the lifestyle many of these tech company hipsters lead.

no, they don't. I have no idea where this is coming from. I know several dozens of people making >100k that take the train or bus to work (cause it's easier than trying to find parking), nor doing any of the other silly things that were mentioned as being part of the "tech hipster lifestyle".

P_1 · 26-12-2018 12:11am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Thats the lifestyle many of these tech company hipsters lead. They might be a new generation but the same pressures that made our parents put porches on their 3 bed semi, change the car every year or join a golf club are still manifesting themselves in the same way in living this lifestyle.

I get the sense that you see yourself as some sort of 'defying convention' type, you might bike to work and live in the city which is 'boujie' as hell these days mate, but the rest of it isnt for you, however its the new standard for many. "who the hell wants to live in grand canal dock" , judging by apartment prices- fooking loads of people.

Oh really. Where are those tech company hipsters you speak of pal? I work in tech and not a single one of my friends who work in the same sector fit that stereotype you speak of

Twenty Grand · 26-12-2018 1:06am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Thats the lifestyle many of these tech company hipsters lead.

I work with a hundred tech hispters and this may only describe one or two, and we think he's an oddball.

RayCun · 26-12-2018 9:17am

P_1 wrote: »

Oh really. Where are those tech company hipsters you speak of pal? I work in tech and not a single one of my friends who work in the same sector fit that stereotype you speak of

Yeah, it's bollocks.

Young, single people in good jobs tend to spend a higher proportion of their income, that has always been true. But pressure on people in tech companies to go for brunch? Clearly some people learn about tech companies through disapproving editorials in Farmers Journal.

Eric Cartman · 26-12-2018 12:19pm

RayCun wrote: »

Yeah, it's bollocks.

Young, single people in good jobs tend to spend a higher proportion of their income, that has always been true. But pressure on people in tech companies to go for brunch? Clearly some people learn about tech companies through disapproving editorials in Farmers Journal.

Ahh yeah, there isnt a 2 hour long queue outside herbstreet every sunday , grand canal dock apartment demands are low , fresh doesnt charge 20% more there than other convenience shops, all bollocks

P_1 · 26-12-2018 1:24pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Ahh yeah, there isnt a 2 hour long queue outside herbstreet every sunday , grand canal dock apartment demands are low , fresh doesnt charge 20% more there than other convenience shops, all bollocks

Last time I checked people don't tend to work on a Sunday if they're going to Herb Street for brunch. Maybe they might actually like the food there? Most apartments in Gcd are rentals, airbnbs or knocking shops.

Fresh is a pain in the hole to shop in

trellheim · 26-12-2018 1:29pm

I know millionaires that take Bus Eireann into work - thats their commute - , or take the train cos traffic in dublin is cat . One I know walks or cycles in. Why would you not - the amount of people in this city who have to be prised out of their motors is loony. Where the OH works all you hear from her team is the traffic ( she is the only one who doesnt drive ) but when asked 90% of them live in decent cycling distance

RayCun · 26-12-2018 1:34pm

And the idea that there is peer pressure to have such a cliched lifestyle...

Some people like to live in the city centre. Some people have expensive bikes (generally not the ones who live in the city). Some people like craft beer. Some people like eating out. Some people like to travel.

None of them care if you don't. Everyone is into different things.

Dublin’s traffic it’s a two part problem.

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