UCI World Road Race Championships 2019

gaffmaster · 11-09-2019 10:10am #1

The Worlds are just around the corner. Anyone know how many places Ireland have this year for the Men's Elite race? How does it work with entrant numbers? Will Sam Bennett's stage wins and accumulated UCI points increase the number of riders we have on the team? And, who's most likely to be racing for Ireland?

Also, who should I be looking out for in the women's races?

AND, the mixed team time trial looks cool! Will we have a team in that?

Cheers!

BIGT4464 · 11-09-2019 10:11am

6 place I think. All thanks to Big Sam. I hope they fill them all and not scripm about.

Steve SilverMint · 11-09-2019 10:16am

Yes Sam has secured 6 places which is great. Bit of a worry though that Roche will miss out, is Mullen a doubt as well?

BIGT4464 · 11-09-2019 10:19am

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/sam-bennett-world-championships-yorkshire/

From a while back

Dow99 · 11-09-2019 11:43am

Its a lumpy course & sometimes that suits Sam....Is Dan and Eddie doing this too?

Lusk_Doyle · 11-09-2019 12:36pm

Pauline Ferrand Prevot in the ladies race for me.

11-09-2019 3:07pm

Heres the list of riders announced at the end of August.

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/cycling-news-item/team-selection-for-world-road-championships-yorkshire-2019/24377

Weepsie · 11-09-2019 3:29pm

The u23s goes up the a relatively short, but 16.9 max% and 7.3% average climb just outside Pately Bridge that has broken better folk than me in the past. I went up it once and it was such a slog.

Edited above: It's actually longer than I thought, the first KM is brutal though

https://veloviewer.com/segment/1097296

Bambaata · 11-09-2019 11:16pm

Rode it the other day (on zwift ðŸ˜‰) I don't think it'll suit Sam at all

11-09-2019 11:22pm

Actually did they change to course or was the bridge that got taken out in the floods repaired?

neris · 12-09-2019 10:03am

Kwiatkowski as an outside bet but hes been having a rubbish year

couerdelion · 12-09-2019 10:33am

Deleted User wrote: »

Actually did they change to course or was the bridge that got taken out in the floods repaired?

Temorary Bridge should be in place in time - http://www.richmondshiretoday.co.uk/steel-tubes-arrive-on-grinton-moor-for-bridge-repair-work/

eeeee · 12-09-2019 8:45pm

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Pauline Ferrand Prevot in the ladies race for me.

Hard to look beyond the Dutch I think - Anna van der Breggan, Annemiek Van Vleuten, Chantal Black, her greatness Marianna Vos.
Then you have Cecile Utrig(sp?) Ludwig, Kasia Niewadoma, Marta Bastionaelli, maybe even Amelie Diedrekson again.
The Aussies will have a strong team too with Amanda Spratt, Sarah Roy and co.

I think it will be a Dutch rider, van Vleuten and Vos are on fire again and the team is savage strong.

*I know I spelt all of their names wrong

Lusk_Doyle · 12-09-2019 9:52pm

The Dutch are indeed beasts on the bike. The Polish part of me wants KN to do it and she well could but I just think the PFP is special. She did it before across the disciplines and has just won the mtb champs after injury so the stars are alining.

12-09-2019 11:04pm

The problem with the Dutch women is they are all Dutch :pac:. You'd love to see these ladies go head to head on this course.

eeeee · 12-09-2019 11:16pm

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

The Dutch are indeed beasts on the bike. The Polish part of me wants KN to do it and she well could but I just think the PFP is special. She did it before across the disciplines and has just won the mtb champs after injury so the stars are alining.

The stars are aligning as they did before for her alright.

Deleted User wrote: »

The problem with the Dutch women is they are all Dutch :pac:. You'd love to see these ladies go head to head on this course.

Aye, there is that. Imagine the fight to be the protected rider!

Lusk_Doyle · 14-09-2019 9:16pm

Michael Matthews has to be a decent bet at 25/1 after his showing in Quebec.

CantGetNoSleep · 14-09-2019 10:42pm

I'm going for Remco

neris · 14-09-2019 11:08pm

Odds must be narrowing on Pogacar

Finnrocco · 16-09-2019 11:27am

Wiggins said ages ago during first week of the vuelta that he thought Sam could get top 10.

Haven't seen what course is like but it always works out harder than they thought it would be.

Suppose it will be the usual, early break goes and gets 9 minutes, the field keeps getting whittled down, until there's only an elite group left with 30 k or so to go.

You would think on latest form:
Van Der Poel, Matthews', Gilbert, Stybar, Valverde
Cavagna, Fuglsang, Louis Leon, Trentin, Teuns
Van Avermaet, Alaphillipe, Sagan, Woods
maybe Dunbar and hopefully Sam
perhaps Gesink and Mollema

Macy0161 · 16-09-2019 11:58am

I think Sam has a chance, given some of the finishes he made it to at least contest in the Vuelta.

TheBlaaMan · 16-09-2019 3:14pm

Its the world championships. Its always (well Copenhagen and Qatar excepted.....) a difficult course and this year is no different. 285km on a tough, undulating and technical circuit is going to make it very tough on Sam and the sprinters, but it would be great to see him in contention. It looks harder than Milan-SanRemo.

Finnrocco · 16-09-2019 5:36pm

All the Belgys could be in the final selection - except Declercq because he will chase the break all day (if hes not in it).

Elite men: Tim Declercq, Remco Evenepoel, Philippe Gilbert, Yves Lampaert, Oliver Naesen, Dylan Teuns, Greg Van Avermaet, Tim Wellens

ednwireland · 16-09-2019 8:18pm

I would suspect 2 weeks recovery might not be enough they were racing hard every day on the vuelta

nak · 17-09-2019 9:16pm

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Pauline Ferrand Prevot in the ladies race for me.

She wasn't selected.

Lizzie Deignan can't be ruled out racing on home roads.

18-09-2019 12:40am

Bernal, Nibali and Kwiatkowski out. Roglic decides to go all in for the TT's and road races.

Lusk_Doyle · 18-09-2019 1:20pm

nak wrote: »

She wasn't selected.

Lizzie Deignan can't be ruled out racing on home roads.

Not selected!?!? Wow!

MPFGLB · 18-09-2019 1:27pm

ednwireland wrote: »

I would suspect 2 weeks recovery might not be enough they were racing hard every day on the vuelta

I dont think its a problem

Wont be for Gilbert

Finnrocco · 18-09-2019 2:25pm

Anyone have any idea of how hard the circuit is?

I know the first 180 K has some climbs but would not expect it to be too hard, you would think they would just cruise until they got to the 7 x 14 k laps.

What is this lap like - is it Liege type climbs or shorter Flanders type?

I know there are loads of corners so if its wet that will have an impact.

MPFGLB · 18-09-2019 3:04pm

Finnrocco wrote: »

Anyone have any idea of how hard the circuit is?

I know the first 180 K has some climbs but would not expect it to be too hard, you would think they would just cruise until they got to the 7 x 14 k laps.

What is this lap like - is it Liege type climbs or shorter Flanders type?

I know there are loads of corners so if its wet that will have an impact.

There will be no cruising

It is a race of attrition and fast from the off

Many team will put the hammer down very early to lose the fast men esp Belgium

The issue for Sam Bennett is that there is alot of fast climbing which he can get up if under 200k and still be fast at the end but maybe not so fast at over 200K

Dan Martin has always been very good on the long stages as is GVA, Gilbert & Sagan

But no one will want to bring Bennett ,Sagan,Matthews or Trentin to the line

joujoujou · 18-09-2019 3:20pm

Irish team confirmed:

http://www.cyclingireland.ie/cycling-news-item/cycling-ireland-confirms-squad-for-uci-road-world-championships-/24385

Eamonnator · 18-09-2019 3:52pm

Dan Martin is 200/1
Van Der Poel 5/2
Sam Bennett 17/1

I think Van Der Poel will win, but 5/2 is crazy low odds.

brocbrocach · 18-09-2019 4:12pm

Looking at the U23 worlds team it's strange that Mick O'Loughlin isn't entered into the RR as he's gone to the trouble of going to Yorkshire for the TT anyway. Ben Healy is left all alone in the RR, even though he's also doing the TT. O'Loughlin is surely (a) good enough to race the RR (b) makes Healy's participation in the RR a bit more realistic as 2 is much better than 1.

eeeee · 18-09-2019 4:12pm

Hard to look past Van der Poel in the men's, it's an ideal circuit for him if he can make the distance, which he shouldn't have a bother with.

18-09-2019 4:13pm

If he makes the selection it's just hard to see anyone being able to beat him.

The Belgians would ideally like to make it hard from the off but who is going to offer themselves up alongside Declercq, they've too many leaders.

brocbrocach · 18-09-2019 4:58pm

There's a lot of hype about VderP. He had a good spring but a lot of things worked out for him as well. Apart from that he went to the Tour of Britain and beat up a mostly 3rd string field. He's never faced a focused and in-form Valverde, Alaphillippe, Sagan, Van Avermaet, etc in a race that'll be raced like this. Obviously he is good but making him favourite for the WC in his first real year of road cycling is too much.

De Bhál · 18-09-2019 5:00pm

Alaphillippe for me

Eamonnator · 18-09-2019 5:16pm

De Bhál wrote: »

Alaphillippe for me

He should be there or thereabouts.

Lusk_Doyle · 18-09-2019 6:23pm

brocbrocach wrote: »

There's a lot of hype about VderP. He had a good spring but a lot of things worked out for him as well. Apart from that he went to the Tour of Britain and beat up a mostly 3rd string field. He's never faced a focused and in-form Valverde, Alaphillippe, Sagan, Van Avermaet, etc in a race that'll be raced like this. Obviously he is good but making him favourite for the WC in his first real year of road cycling is too much.

What were the lot of things that worked out for him as well?

Eamonnator · 18-09-2019 6:45pm

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

What were the lot of things that worked out for him as well?

Three World Cup XCO wins, 4 short course World Cup wins, European XCO Championship and World CX Championship?

18-09-2019 7:15pm

1 huge slice of luck at the Amstel yes but an untimely puncture and fall that cost him a shot at Flanders.

An understrength team as support.

nak · 18-09-2019 7:40pm

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

Not selected!?!? Wow!

Has only done a couple of road races this year.

Lusk_Doyle · 19-09-2019 7:44am

Eamonnator wrote: »

Three World Cup XCO wins, 4 short course World Cup wins, European XCO Championship and World CX Championship?

That's not what the post meant. Those wins were his and earned. Not something that worked out for him. That suggests that he benefitted from something that wasn't neccessarily his own doing.

Macy0161 · 19-09-2019 8:39am

I think it was Van Der Poel's performances in the spring that mark him as one of the favourites, for me at least. The performances since he went back to the road just show he's carrying enough form for a possible repeat.

I still have Gilbert as my favourite, and my personal hope, if Sam or Dan aren't in the mix in the final.

Eamonnator · 19-09-2019 9:39am

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

That's not what the post meant. Those wins were his and earned. Not something that worked out for him. That suggests that he benefitted from something that wasn't neccessarily his own doing.

Are you sure?.

Finnrocco · 19-09-2019 9:40am

MPFGLB wrote: »

There will be no cruising

Although I wouldnt expect them to go eyeballs out on the first climb, the climbs will be ridden fast sure, but would still expect a decent size group to come to the local laps, including Sam and all the gallopers like Trentin, Colbrelli, Matthews, Impey.

De Bhál · 19-09-2019 11:07am

red_ken wrote: »

1 huge slice of luck at the Amstel yes but an untimely puncture and fall that cost him a shot at Flanders.

An understrength team as support.

I didn't see it as luck at the Amstel. Pure hard work. Best finish to a road race in years for me.

brocbrocach · 19-09-2019 11:45am

Lusk_Doyle wrote: »

What were the lot of things that worked out for him as well?

Sorry Adrie, I didn't realise you were so protective of him!
He has raced very little. Pointing out his CX results is useless - they're completely different sports. In spring he was great in the few races he did but most weren't top tier apart from Amstel. In Amstel a lot of the other riders you'd expect to animate or control the race weren't in form, Kwiatkowski, Moscon, Valverde, Gilbert, Valgren even, etc. The top 10 was a bit of a lucky dip in the end. The race panned out in a way that suited VdP but that won't always happen. Alaphillippe obviously was in form but the race went away from him.

It happens, you have a good spell, things work out for you. Doesn't make him a bad rider but it doesn't mean he's an unbackable favourite after a handful of road races either. The ToB means nothing.

brocbrocach · 19-09-2019 11:50am

Eamonnator wrote: »

Three World Cup XCO wins, 4 short course World Cup wins, European XCO Championship and World CX Championship?

But they're results from a completely different sport. They have completely different skills and talents. Take the stamina aspect as the most obvious - 1hr versus 5 or 6hrs. There's obviously a crossover but Sven Nys, Boom etc goes to show that success in one doesn't necessarily mean the other.

Macy0161 · 19-09-2019 12:53pm

brocbrocach wrote: »

He has raced very little. Pointing out his CX results is useless - they're completely different sports. In spring he was great in the few races he did but most weren't top tier apart from Amstel. In Amstel a lot of the other riders you'd expect to animate or control the race weren't in form, Kwiatkowski, Moscon, Valverde, Gilbert, Valgren even, etc.

4th in Flanders too, and in Amstel beat Fulgsang and Schachmann into 3rd and 5th who were first and third in Liege the following week!

brocbrocach · 19-09-2019 1:20pm

Yeah Flanders was definitely a good result, one I'd forgotten to be honest!
Fuglsang and Schachmann doing so well in Liege is an indication in itself that the year was an outlier. They both had great years but they'd normally be in the second rank of riders, top quality but not monument winners.

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