F1 2019 - Round 13 Belgium

H3llR4iser · 02-09-2019 11:01am

Joeface wrote: »

Question for up and coming race in Monza , if the Ferrari eats tyres like it did this weekend in the race , Monza is just a flat out top speed wins pole kinda lap what can they do in the race to keep Mercedes and possible 2 very fast Honda's behind both seem to be better on tyres than Ferrari.

THEORETICALLY Monza should be much less demanding on the tires than Spa, as the only corner with considerable levels of lateral load is the Parabolica; The main risk for tire management there usually takes the form of lockups going into the chicane at the end of the main straight - a flatspot can definitely ruin your race.

It should be the one race where Ferrari can take a relatively comfortable 1-2 this season, my money would be on Vettel this time around, but as we've seen - never discount Ferrari's pitwall ability to throw great performances away!

quokula · 02-09-2019 11:16am

Just reading the Autosport article about how Leclerc is cemented as the Ferrari number 1 now, wtf

Vettel is ahead in the championship and has been the faster of the two drivers in all but 3 races - exactly the same hit rate as Bottas vs Hamilton.

It was a good win but people are really getting carried away (as they do every time there's been a hint of him being competitive with Vettel)

mickdw · 02-09-2019 11:45am

6 quali in a row for leClerc.
Robbed of a couple of race wins, a win yesterday.
Vettel is yesterdays man. Why not back the new star.

Joeface · 02-09-2019 12:31pm

its not just backing the new man , Ferrari need a real strategy specialist . It seemed to work to save the win yesterday but they should have been able muster a double poduim finish . and it is one of the areas they have been most lacking over the course of the season .

Joeface · 02-09-2019 1:38pm

Just read None of the redbulls or the Toro Rosso ran the new Honda engine in the race .
That makes the result they got much better

quokula · 02-09-2019 1:49pm

mickdw wrote: »

6 quali in a row for leClerc.
Robbed of a couple of race wins, a win yesterday.
Vettel is yesterdays man. Why not back the new star.

Like I said, those three races you refer to make up 3 out of the 13 races. Bottas has a similar record against Hamilton. Vettel has been consistently the better driver otherwise.

Leclerc has had a decent run in qualy, but Vettel also suffered reliability issues in some of those sessions, and in most cases has got ahead in the race, even including the time he started at the back of the grid because his car wasn't able to start a lap in qualifying. The championship standings show who's been on top pretty clearly.

vectra · 02-09-2019 3:07pm

mickdw wrote: »

6 quali in a row for leClerc.
Robbed of a couple of race wins, a win yesterday.
Vettel is yesterdays man. Why not back the new star.

I wouldn't say that just yet.

H3llR4iser · 02-09-2019 4:21pm

mickdw wrote: »

6 quali in a row for leClerc.
Robbed of a couple of race wins, a win yesterday.
Vettel is yesterdays man. Why not back the new star.

Or maybe Leclerc is quite something, and Ferrari have two drivers capable of winning the championship IF the team:

- Delivered a competitive car
- kept it competitive the whole year and didn't slip in the development race (see 2017, 2018)
- Didn't keep making strategy blunders

Vettel has more points than Leclerc because he's been more effective on raceday - there are no points awarded on Saturdays.

Yesterday was the first time Seb was having worse tire management than Charles; Also, while it's true Leclerc should have won at least two races before yesterday, the same could be said about Vettel - without the issues in qualifying in Germany and Austria, he could very well have been winning those.

Considering why all of the above hasn't happened - in three words, Ferrari screwing up, it's safe to say drivers are the last of their concerns at the moment.

HighLine · 02-09-2019 6:42pm

Could watch this all day (turn up sound). Shame they didn't show more of it during the live broadcast.

https://twitter.com/Insidef1/status/1168532431118299137

flazio · 02-09-2019 8:33pm

Turn up sound? With David Croft yapping all over it? No thanks.
But it is a cool angle.

ro_chez · 02-09-2019 8:54pm

I prefer this one

mickdw · 02-09-2019 9:34pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

mickdw wrote: »

Vettel is yesterdays man.

You should write for the Daily Mail with that hyperbole :pac:

Perhaps but which of those two have more f1 race wins in their future?
I'd put 20 quid with you that it's LeClerc.

AMKC · 02-09-2019 9:58pm

vectra wrote: »

I was glad Max was first out today. He still needs to learn the lesson that the race is not won on the first corner.

Delighted for Charles though.

Dis
d Max make a mistake do? I thought it was Kimi that made the mistake myself.

Burkie1203 wrote: »

21 consecutive top 5 finishes. Think he learned that. Just made a mistake today

Did he do. Was it not Kimi that made a mistake by coming in on top of Max and squeezing Max of the track?

This is it · 02-09-2019 10:10pm

Max went for a gap that wasn't there IMO. Kimi did close it but he took the racing line before Max torn in braking late and then hitting Kimi. He said himself he was late on the brakes

Frank Bullitt · 02-09-2019 10:32pm

vectra wrote: »

Most do learn,adapt and change. But apparently Max has not got there fully just yet, Have you forgotten how he was before those "magical 12 months" you point out?

Before those 12 months he was still pretty much brand new too F1. People seem to forget that he is 21 years old. His run streak before yesterday is insane for a driver of that age.

If he does "get there" like you put it, the grid are in trouble. He is easily in the top 3 drivers on the current grid, easy.

quokula · 03-09-2019 10:27am

AMKC wrote: »

Dis
d Max make a mistake do? I thought it was Kimi that made the mistake myself.

Did he do. Was it not Kimi that made a mistake by coming in on top of Max and squeezing Max of the track?

It was a typical Spa first corner incident. Both drivers could have been more careful but neither of them did anything way out of line.

H3llR4iser · 03-09-2019 11:06am

flazio wrote: »

Turn up sound? With David Croft yapping all over it? No thanks.
But it is a cool angle.

Believe it or not, there's worse - I started watching the race on a Russian channel and the guy commentating DID NOT SHUT UP ONE SPLIT SECOND; To the point you'd wonder how he managed to still breathe. The fact that he also had a grating, annoying voice (and I could not understand a single word

) compounded the issue. Changing to the Sky feed made Crofty sound positively muted in comparison. Or, you could get Davide Valsecchi...

mickdw wrote: »

Perhaps but which of those two have more f1 race wins in their future?
I'd put 20 quid with you that it's LeClerc.

Truth is, it depends on the teams they'll be racing for, regardless of how good they are. Any decent driver will win heaps of races and potentially championships if the stars align: they get into a dominating car and they don't have a preferred-treatment or plain faster team mate.

Classic examples of "if this happened":

- Hamilton and Schumacher wouldn't have won nearly 100 races each if they didn't have dominant cars for multiple seasons

- Hamilton would have more than 90 race wins and be a 6x WDC if he hadn't had Rosberg as a team mate 2014-2016

- Rosberg would be a 3x WDC if he didn't have Hamilton as a team mate;

- Jean Alesi would have won tonnes of races and probably be a WDC if he joined Williams instead of Ferrari (or Ferrari continued their 1990 form)

- Eddie Irvine wouldn't have had a shot at a WDC without Schumacher's accident in 1999

- Most notably, Alonso would have been at least 4x/5x WDC hadn't he repeatedly made the wrong choice about what team to join...

While it is true that the best drivers will have a choice of what teams to join (well, maybe not Red Bull), the fact remains that it's always a 50-50 situation - Mercedes might delived a dud of a car, Red Bull could come up with a "Newey Special" again, or Ferrari might finally get their act together.

quokula · 03-09-2019 12:13pm

H3llR4iser wrote:

- Hamilton and Schumacher wouldn't have won nearly 100 races each if they didn't have dominant cars for multiple seasons

I get your point somewhat but Schumacher and Hamilton's situations are really not that comparable.

Schumacher joined Ferrari when they were struggling, with a goal to rebuild an iconic brand. He was a double world champion (with a team that never won anything before he came along) before he joined them, and he won many races against the odds when Ferrari had a very poor car in the early years. This undoubtedly helped them to attract engineers and sponsors they otherwise wouldn't have. By 1999, before he'd won a title with Ferrari, he was already considered the undisputed best driver in the sport. And even when he won his 5 titles with them, only 2 of those years had his team-mate finish in the top 3, which suggests the cars weren't actually as dominant as people remember. Nobody else could have achieved what he did.

At the time he joined Merc, Hamilton was struggling to assert himself over Button at McLaren and had long since fallen out of conversations about who was the best driver in the sport, the debate was all about Alonso or Vettel. Alonso in particular was doing similar things to Schumacher previously by making title challenges in a car that really shouldn't have been up there, something Hamilton has never done in his entire career. Lewis got lucky that Merc ended up with an utterly dominant car for the hybrid era that could finish 1-2 in every race without any effort on the driver's part (not that the Mercedes were lucky to develop such a car, they spent years developing it and lobbying the FIA to ensure favourable rules), and any driver who, like Hamilton, was marginally better than Nico Rosberg(which is about half the grid), would have the stats he has now.

recyclebin · 03-09-2019 1:51pm

This thread is about the 2019 Belgium Grand Prix. Start a rose tinted glasses thread somewhere else.

BTW Hamilton was a good as Alonso in same machinery in his first year.

Ferrari had Jean Todt and Ross Brawn. It wasn't just Schumacher who built that car.

It's pointless comparing drivers from different eras.

vectra · 03-09-2019 7:43pm

recyclebin wrote: »

It's pointless comparing drivers from different eras.

Unless you are comparing them to Kimi. He drove 3 different era's

recyclebin · 03-09-2019 10:08pm

vectra wrote: »

Unless you are comparing them to Kimi. He drove 3 different era's

And he bet Hamilton and Alonso too

vectra · 04-09-2019 1:42am

recyclebin wrote: »

And he bet Hamilton and Alonso too

:pac::pac:

flazio · 04-09-2019 6:00am

Thank you Checo. This is much better.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B181zCzlKmh/?igshid=1f3zoeqdkl4nl

vectra · 04-09-2019 8:22pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Lol how in any world was that Kimi's fault He was ahead turning into the corner

And not only turning, He had to turn as the Merc was turning in front of him so had no other option.

uchimata83 · 05-09-2019 7:36am

I can't understand the piped in sound on the broadcast. Last weekend most notably on the Hamilton Vettel pass.

F1 2019 - Round 13 Belgium

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