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Calls for State to build Mosque in Roscommon
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Widdershins wrote: »That seems like a good idea.
To be fair, that probably includes the counties around it
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Thanks for fisking. It makes the post so much harder to reply to without fisking.
96% of national schools in Ireland are under religious patronage. 90% are under catholic patronage. In these schools children are taught catholic dogma and doctrine. They are prepared for their first communion and confirmations during class time.
Education , in Ireland is legally defined to include religious education. Most parents are clearly content with their children receiving religious education during their class time and in preparation for their sacraments. Ruairi Quinn sought to change things. Parents told him to jog on. Enlighten us, what is contained in Catholic Dogma education in Ireland in 2017 ?These schools can refuse anyone who isn't catholic on the grounds that they're not catholic.
Nor do they. They will cater,first to families who sent older kids to the schools . Fair enough.They force non Catholics to sit in, but not participate in catholic lessons.
Lies. No one is forced to sit in. They are free to leave the class.And they are all state funded. The state will build and staff a catholic school for free. The state has spent billions doing this over the years.
Schools built on Church land
Why did Quinn's pet project fail again?
Since 1970's how many brand new schools have the State built that are "Catholic Schools"?
State have also funded Church of Ireland Patronized schools, even a Muslim and Jewish school in DublinThe nuts thing is that in any discussion about the state funding of catholic education the argument is normally Catholics who are for it and atheists against it. There's no-one who actually denies it exists. Except you.
Riuiri Quinn tried to change things. Parents said no. I made no comment about the argument being about Catholics for it and atheists against it. You did. I just said that Quinn's proposals were rejectedThe vast majority of people against abortion in this country are Catholics.
The vast majority of this country were baptized Catholic.
I oppose abortion bar the grounds set out in the Constitution. I accept that abortion should be extended to other grounds. I am not a practicing Catholic and religious beliefs do not form part of my opposition to abortion on other all grounds.Look at any pro life groups in this country and you'll find that the vast majority are catholic organisations or run by staunch Catholics.
Vast majority of Pro Abortion supporters are ALSO Catholic. Obviously, not "Staunch" Catholics
Italy is primarily Catholic, abortion is legal. Some 88 per cent of the population belonging to the Roman Catholic church
Catholicism is the largest groups in Spain, with about 66% of the population claiming that they are Catholics - that is not saying that they pay any heed to the Church. Abortion laws are way more liberal in Spain than they are in Ireland.
59 % of Austrians claim to be Catholic. They have abortion
France, the biggest enemy of any notion of State religion and we saw what happened in the Paris Riots in the 1960's claim about 61 % Catholic and they definitely have abortionAn individual who is pro life isn't necessarily catholic but to deny any link between Ireland's anti abortion stance and the catholic church is stupid.
What is even more stupid, dumb, disingenuous even , is to invent an argument that anyone has tried to deny that there is a link between anti abortion and the Irish Roman Catholic Church.BTW, the state don't build churches but they do fund their renovation. A church can be designated a historic building and then the state pays for the refurbishments.
They make good tourist attractions. Lord knows whyThe catholic church complained abut this. Not because they didn't want the free money but because they weren't allowed upgrade or change the layouts of the buildings. Apparently planning authorities will only allow renovations on buildings if it restores them, not changes them.
Hey, even they want to move with the times
:PAs for Islam being the enemy of the west? You don't actually know any Muslims do you.
A hell of a lot more than you and more than what you think! Deal with them 5 days a week!They'd laugh at you.
Beats getting head chopped off so.They're just people getting on with their lives. They're not part of some secret conspiracy to invade Ireland. When I hear people say that they're the enemy of the west I think of the Jewish conspiracy.
The Jews never claimed publicly to seek to attack the West. Hell, they wanted to be part of the West
On the other hand, how many more Christian killings, (in fairness, they prefer to kill their own) suicide bombings etc do you need to witness?How they were working to destroy christian Europe. You can see how accurate that was and how that turned out.
Perhaps ask the French, German, Swedes, London.........But this isn't really the thread for that discussion. there's loads of threads about that so feel free to go there and have a rant. Or even go and hop onto the BNP or Britain first homepages. Maybe even join these guys, http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/anti-islam-group-patrolling-dublin
You haven't a clue as to whom is coming into Ireland. Neither do those idiots! Suffice to say, bar a tiny but dangerous element that need watching, (and they are, by State Forces) we have been lucky. Fortunately, it should stay that way. Would not want to turn into dumps in England where the Islamic Fundamentals do not even bother hiding their attitudes anymore0 -
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Education , in Ireland is legally defined to include religious education. Most parents are clearly content with their children receiving religious education during their class time and in preparation for their sacraments. Ruairi Quinn sought to change things. Parents told him to jog on. Enlighten us, what is contained in Catholic Dogma education in Ireland in 2017 ?
Nor do they. They will cater,first to families who sent older kids to the schools . Fair enough.
Lies. No one is forced to sit in. They are free to leave the class.
Schools built on Church land
Why did Quinn's pet project fail again?
Since 1970's how many brand new schools have the State built that are "Catholic Schools"?
State have also funded Church of Ireland Patronized schools, even a Muslim and Jewish school in Dublin
Riuiri Quinn tried to change things. Parents said no. I made no comment about the argument being about Catholics for it and atheists against it. You did. I just said that Quinn's proposals were rejected
The vast majority of this country were baptized Catholic.
I oppose abortion bar the grounds set out in the Constitution. I accept that abortion should be extended to other grounds. I am not a practicing Catholic and religious beliefs do not form part of my opposition to abortion on other all grounds.
Vast majority of Pro Abortion supporters are ALSO Catholic. Obviously, not "Staunch" Catholics
Italy is primarily Catholic, abortion is legal. Some 88 per cent of the population belonging to the Roman Catholic church
Catholicism is the largest groups in Spain, with about 66% of the population claiming that they are Catholics - that is not saying that they pay any heed to the Church. Abortion laws are way more liberal in Spain than they are in Ireland.
59 % of Austrians claim to be Catholic. They have abortion
France, the biggest enemy of any notion of State religion and we saw what happened in the Paris Riots in the 1960's claim about 61 % Catholic and they definitely have abortion
What is even more stupid, dumb, disingenuous even , is to invent an argument that anyone has tried to deny that there is a link between anti abortion and the Irish Roman Catholic Church.
They make good tourist attractions. Lord knows why
Hey, even they want to move with the times :P
A hell of a lot more than you and more than what you think! Deal with them 5 days a week!
Beats getting head chopped off so.
The Jews never claimed publicly to seek to attack the West. Hell, they wanted to be part of the West
On the other hand, how many more Christian killings, (in fairness, they prefer to kill their own) suicide bombings etc do you need to witness?
Perhaps ask the French, German, Swedes, London.........
You haven't a clue as to whom is coming into Ireland. Neither do those idiots! Suffice to say, bar a tiny but dangerous element that need watching, (and they are, by State Forces) we have been lucky. Fortunately, it should stay that way. Would not want to turn into dumps in England where the Islamic Fundamentals do not even bother hiding their attitudes anymore
Do you really have to reply to every single sentance one at a time. Is it an attempt at trolling?
I said I'm not going to reply to your rants about islam and said this isn't the place for it. Obviously you can't let it go. I'm not going to continue to discuss that with you and drive the thread off topic. There's loads of other places where you can post your hatred.
Back on topic(ish)...
You said that I'd struggle to find a school that taught catholic dogma or doctrine. 90% of national schools do. That's nearly all of them.
In your most recent reply you said "Lies. No one is forced to sit in. They are free to leave the class. ".
Did you even bother reading the link I supplied where parents describe how their non catholic children have to sit through religion classes in national schools. I supplied a link that backs up my point and you decide to call me a liar.
It doesn't matter if parents want catholic schools, the fact is that the catholic schools exist. They do teach catholic dogma and they are paid for by the state.0 -
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Yeah, this is a Roman Catholic dominated dump, barely 25 years from the Middle Ages, which funds church car parks, parish halls and religious schools and hospitals.
The nice thing is anyone who dislikes it can choose one of the non denominational options, or work out an alternative for religion class for their child ( which might indeed involve remaining on their chair, which some would call ''sitting through'' it), you can be treated by a secular medic, or if you think it's such a ''dump'' you can even...Leave? 0 -
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Love your effort to try and take offense at nothing though. Pretty gas. And edgy, very edgy.
I take it you'll be happy for your taxes to go toward these refugees being taxi'd to and from everywhere? I mean you're saying they have that option, so that's all that can be assumed from it.
Ah come on Billy, you should lighten up a bit.
You're not in Toronto anymore.Nah, you have to draw a line on state involvement in religion. Give one an inch in terms of government spending and every one of them (and many of their followers) will try to take a mile. I'm all for different cultures, religions etc in Ireland but the state shouldn't be funding these institutions for a number of reasons, not least that if you give something to one all of the others will cry foul, persecution etc until they get given the same amount... and if just one of them finds a loophole or some way to get a tiny bit extra, the others will again all make noise until they get it too, and so on and so on.
Maybe you are finally seeing the light.
A fair few of us have tried to tell you that this is the tip of the iceberg and once population starts increasing demands start increasing....
But that's not even necessary either. Here in Cavan town a private house beside the hospital is rented and used as a Mosque/school/drop in centre. Has been for at least a decade. Landlord (Irish lad) is delighted with the set up.
They have recently received some funds from abroad and bought a building from the receivers for use as a cultural centre and mosque, but its slow going as it seems to be worked on by the congregation themselves on a voluntary basis.
We can expect some nice fundamentalist learning coming out of Cavan down the road.On a sunny day this is lovely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lough_Key_Forest_Park
But as a whole the county is pretty boring. There's feck all to do there.
I do feel a bit sorry for the refugees. Unless they have cars or travel passes then they're effectively stuck in a small town in the middle of nowhere. It must be stupidly boring. I say this as a former culchie myself.
Having said that, I'd imagine they prefer safe & warm to being in Syria or stuck in some of those refugee camps.
Don't try disavow your roots.
As many of my Dublin acquaintances and colleagues would say "once a culchie always a culchie."I am not allowed discuss …
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Aren't all these refugees : architects, barristers, chiropractors,doctors,.......Vets, watchmakers, X ray inspectors and zoologists.
Why would they be confined to rural areas when all these good jobs are in Dublin?
Because Irish Times readers like to see diveristy on their tv screens, not next door
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