Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VII Read OP For Mod Warnings

manniot2 · 22-11-2020 10:16pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

Just when I thought people were starting to see a bit of sense, the scenes in Cork last night have caused a resurgence of complete hysterics in some people.

Despite the fact that the statement from the Gardaí this morning confirmed that the issues last night were from one isolated incident in which a drugs arrest got out of hand, and that 99.9% of the public in attendance were perfectly behaved and compliant and were just enjoying the Christmas lights with their families and friends, the majority of the comments under the article on FB were borderline totalitarian.

There were calls for water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas (!!!) to be used on people minding their own business enjoying the lights, and access to medical care to be removed for life from anyone in attendance.
There were also suggestions that anyone of college age should be expelled from their course and denied any financial assistance from social welfare afterwards.

One comment which got quite a lot of likes wants a 9pm curfew put in place and a level 7 lockdown until the 24th of January, at which time we could celebrate a delayed Christmas.
This level 7 would involve schools, airports and the boarders being closed and full closure of all industries, meaning you wouldn’t even be allowed to walk your dog or leave the house to exercise and the army would deliver food & medicine direct to our doors.
Anyone caught outdoors during this level 7 lockdown would get 5 years in jail and/or a hefty fine.
Apparently this a reasonable reaction to seeing families and people of all ages walking around drinking coffees and flat pints enjoying the Christmas atmosphere on a November evening.

Lots of people complaining that they haven’t seen their parents/granny/elderly relative since March and ‘idiots like this are ruining it for everyone’, implying that they are being forced to unfairly be separated from a loved one because of other people getting a little bit of normality. And I’m sorry but that’s absolutely ridiculous, if you have an elderly or vulnerable loved one that you haven’t seen in 9 months then that’s on you.
It’s quite simple, limit your own movements and reduce your own contacts so that when you see said loved one, the risk is as low as possible.
Or avoid seeing altogether if the risk is still too great for everyone involved to be comfortable with.
But that decision has nothing to do with Mary and Johnny down the road, who are low risk and don’t have any elderly/vulnerable relatives, going for a few hot whiskeys and a stroll around town.

Personal responsibility seems to be in very short supply, but not in the way they think.
It’s actually shocking how little initiative people are showing when it comes to assessing their own risks, they’re just happy to wait for the man on the telly to tell them when it’s ok to do something.
But the man on the telly won’t be there and won’t care when we are in the depths of depression and mental health issues, when granny is wasting away in a nursing home from lack of human contact, or when we can’t pay our rent/mortgages when the banks come knocking.
And it’s only then that they’ll realise that we actually aren’t ’all in this together’ at all.

This is a very very strange country. An utterly depressing one at times.

Rrrrrr2 · 22-11-2020 10:19pm

manniot2 wrote: »

This is a very very strange country. An utterly depressing one at times.

“The Valley of the Squinting Windows” hasn’t gone away- just taken on new forms

Spanish Eyes · 22-11-2020 10:21pm

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

“The Valley of the Squinting Windows” hasn’t gone away- just taken on new forms

They should look out for their neighbours rather than looking at them.

suicide_circus · 22-11-2020 10:31pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

There were calls for water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas (!!!) to be used on people minding their own business enjoying the lights, and access to medical care to be removed for life from anyone in attendance.
There were also suggestions that anyone of college age should be expelled from their course and denied any financial assistance from social welfare afterwards.

It's been clear for some time that the lockdown but more so the constant barrage of fear and hysteria from the media has left some people seriously mentally unwell.

Rrrrrr2 · 22-11-2020 10:58pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

They should look out for their neighbours rather than looking at them.

Where's the social media likes in that

FintanMcluskey · 22-11-2020 11:02pm

Buff Egan has a video up of the Tipperary team passing through Ballyporeen in cars, 4 or 5 young lads, they look early 20s, run over to one of the cars and hug one of the lads out the window.

Buff refers to it as despicable behaviour before commenting “Up Tipp won’t help them on a ventilator”

85 years

A lot of damage needs to be repaired, hysteria is infectious

RobitTV · 22-11-2020 11:04pm

Huge development (that you won't hear in Ireland)

Portuguese appeals court finds PCR tests unreliable and lifts quarantine

The PCR test “is unable to determine, beyond reasonable doubt, that such positivity result corresponds, in fact, to the infection of a person by the SARS-CoV-2 virus”, said the Lisbon Court of Appeal.

The Lisbon Court of Appeal also considered that the quarantine period imposed by the Directorate-General for Health during the state of alert is illegal. The judgment states that the body of judges ruled that such a situation can only be taken in a state of emergency (currently in force).

Link

dalyboy · 22-11-2020 11:07pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

It's been clear for some time that the lockdown but more so the constant barrage of fear and hysteria from the media has left some people seriously mentally unwell.

Exactly. Mentally unwell or not though in my book these people are traitors for freedom full stop. They are no better than nazi scum.

drunkmonkey · 22-11-2020 11:12pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Buff Egan has a video up of the Tipperary team passing through Ballyporeen in cars, 4 or 5 young lads, they look early 20s, run over to one of the cars and hug one of the lads out the window.

Buff refers to it as despicable behaviour before commenting “Up Tipp won’t help them on a ventilator”

85 years

A lot of damage needs to be repaired, hysteria is infectious

He's getting balled out of it and rightly so, what an ass.

RobitTV · 22-11-2020 11:19pm

Why are people like Buff Egan attacking a bunch of young lads celebrating after a match? how pathetic has this country become. Get over it and move on.

I'm sick to death of these people taking the "moral" virtue signalling high ground so they will look good on social media. Imagine taking videos of a group of young people and posting it online for attention seeking purposes.

But...but...they will kill granny! - people are sick of this blackmailing nonsense, which is full of lies.

22-11-2020 11:19pm

RobitTV wrote: »

Huge development (that you won't hear in Ireland)

Portuguese appeals court finds PCR tests unreliable and lifts quarantine

The PCR test “is unable to determine, beyond reasonable doubt, that such positivity result corresponds, in fact, to the infection of a person by the SARS-CoV-2 virus”, said the Lisbon Court of Appeal.

The Lisbon Court of Appeal also considered that the quarantine period imposed by the Directorate-General for Health during the state of alert is illegal. The judgment states that the body of judges ruled that such a situation can only be taken in a state of emergency (currently in force).

Link

Just so you know, when a CT above a certain threshold, defined by supplier of the test assay, is required to detect the virus, it is declared inconclusive and retested. And it is not the case that there is no virus present if a high ct is required, just that there is insufficient to suggest an active infection. The overwhelming majority of test don’t reach these thresholds

the kelt · 22-11-2020 11:28pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Buff Egan has a video up of the Tipperary team passing through Ballyporeen in cars, 4 or 5 young lads, they look early 20s, run over to one of the cars and hug one of the lads out the window.

Buff refers to it as despicable behaviour before commenting “Up Tipp won’t help them on a ventilator”

85 years

A lot of damage needs to be repaired, hysteria is infectious

Well he is a clown to be fair it doesn’t surprise me.

aziz · 22-11-2020 11:28pm

dalyboy wrote: »

Exactly. Mentally unwell or not though in my book these people are traitors for freedom full stop. They are no better than nazi scum.

That’s a bit strong but if these people were around in nazi Germany
“Anne frank, yeah she’s upstairs “😷

drunkmonkey · 22-11-2020 11:28pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Just so you know, when a CT above a certain threshold, defined by supplier of the test assay, is required to detect the virus, it is declared inconclusive and retested. And it is not the case that there is no virus present if a high ct is required, just that there is insufficient to suggest an active infection. The overwhelming majority of test don’t reach these thresholds

Back up that conspiracy theory of yours.

boggerman1 · 23-11-2020 12:00am

RobitTV wrote: »

Why are people like Buff Egan attacking a bunch of young lads celebrating after a match? how pathetic has this country become. Get over it and move on.

I'm sick to death of these people taking the "moral" virtue signalling high ground so they will look good on social media. Imagine taking videos of a group of young people and posting it online for attention seeking purposes.

But...but...they will kill granny! - people are sick of this blackmailing nonsense, which is full of lies.

Buff Egan oh ffs.i’ve seen that clown around enough matches in past few yrs to know what he is.

Stormyteacup · 23-11-2020 12:15am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just so you know, when a CT above a certain threshold, defined by supplier of the test assay, is required to detect the virus, it is declared inconclusive and retested. And it is not the case that there is no virus present if a high ct is required, just that there is insufficient to suggest an active infection. The overwhelming majority of test don’t reach these thresholds

Defined by the supplier. CT threshold determined months ago and by suppliers that have a vested interest in as many tests supplied as possible.

_Kaiser_ · 23-11-2020 2:10am

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

This is what happens when you vote for the green party. You get what you pay for.

The ridiculous thing is that it was all predictable after their last stint in office when they were propping up an unstable and unpopular Government then too.

The only thing the "Green" party here are interested in is pie-in-the-sky nonsense that doesn't translate into the real world but for which they'll tax everyone anyway, ultimately doing more damage by the time they're ejected (eg: 2-tier motor tax system that devalued everyone's 07 or older car overnight, only to be a complete balls-up - environmentally and from a revenue standpoint - by the entirely predictable shift to cheap tax diesels)

The "Greens" are an urban wealthy holier-than-thou bunch who very few actually voted for when you look at the numbers, yet they've been given key ministries and positions that will again allow them to inflict as much damage as possible before they're kicked out again.

pheasant tail · 23-11-2020 2:46am

froog wrote: »

If you can't even put up with the mildest of emergencies like covid, constantly whining about restrictions, how on earth are you going to cope with something bigger? The lack of self awareness here is absolutely staggering.

Your right. Covid is mild. It’s our reaction and hysteria too it that has caused the emergency.

showpony1 · 23-11-2020 4:44am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Buff Egan has a video up of the Tipperary team passing through Ballyporeen in cars, 4 or 5 young lads, they look early 20s, run over to one of the cars and hug one of the lads out the window.

Buff refers to it as despicable behaviour before commenting “Up Tipp won’t help them on a ventilator”

The Virus has been around 8 months and i doubt that clown knows a single person who has been on a ventilator due to Covid yet that's the first thing that springs to his mind to say.

ceadaoin. · 23-11-2020 6:02am

rovers_runner wrote: »

Seems to be more of a cases in the area based decision.
Florida does seem to be an outlier, not sure it that's a climate based call or just more Liberal law makers..

Florida lifted all restrictions months ago now and the governor has outright stated that he will never reinstate lockdowns. They dont seem to be doing as bad as was predicted even though there's been many "two week" intervals to await the apocalypse since they've been reopened. It's barely mentioned in the news now.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-11-2020 7:07am

Florida's average death rate over the past 8 weeks is over 65 per day.

A very poor record. Not surprising given the irresponsible behaviour of DeSantis.

Rjd2 · 23-11-2020 7:11am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Florida lifted all restrictions months ago now and the governor has outright stated that he will never reinstate lockdowns. They dont seem to be doing as bad as was predicted even though there's been many "two week" intervals to await the apocalypse since they've been reopened. It's barely mentioned in the news now.

Lot of people wanted Florida to fail due to how close DeSantiis is to Trump thus constant tales of doom regarding that state. He's not exactly aced it, but he's clearly more competent than the abomination that won't leave the white house which is obviously a very good thing for Florida.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-11-2020 7:15am

Rjd2 wrote: »

Lot of people wanted Florida to fail due to how close DeSantiis is to Trump thus constant tales of doom regarding that state. He's not exactly aced it, but he's clearly more competent than the abomination that won't leave the white house which is obviously a very good thing for Florida.

There has been 18,000 deaths in Florida so far, rising by between 65 and 100 per day. A dreadful record of incompetence and stupidity.

Rjd2 · 23-11-2020 7:33am

He's been very cavalier recently, but we live in an era where Andrew ****ing Cuomo presides over a state with 33000 dead has released a book about how well he handled the virus while having the banter with his brother on tv without a care in the world.

The standards are very low when it comes to how high profile governors have fared regarding covid.

Thankfully they are much more competent governors who have done good work while not getting the love as those two which has somewhat mitigated the damage done in America.

ceadaoin. · 23-11-2020 8:06am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There has been 18,000 deaths in Florida so far, rising by between 65 and 100 per day. A dreadful record of incompetence and stupidity.

Similar numbers to California, which has been under restrictions since March

Rjd2 · 23-11-2020 8:11am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Similar numbers to California, which has been under restrictions since March

What's gone wrong their? They have a very good governor.

ceadaoin. · 23-11-2020 8:23am

Rjd2 wrote: »

What's gone wrong their? They have a very good governor.

Do they? Just in the last week or two he was caught breaking his own rules by attending a large dinner party at a restaurant, and he wasn't wearing a mask at all, let alone in between bites of food which is what he mandated. He sends his kids to in person private school while public school children are suffering from being out of school since March. He's kept his own winery open this whole time while bars and restaurants are going out of business left right and center. So I don't blame people there for not following the "rules". Even law enforcement in several counties have said they won't be enforcing his latest curfew and attempts to stop people having Thanksgiving dinners.

zerosugarbuzz · 23-11-2020 8:30am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Do they? Just in the last week or two he was caught breaking his own rules by attending a large dinner party at a restaurant, and he wasn't wearing a mask at all, let alone in between bites of food which is what he mandated. He sends his kids to in person private school while public school children are suffering from being out of school since March. He's kept his own winery open this whole time while bars and restaurants are going out of business left right and center. So I don't blame people there for not following the "rules". Even law enforcement in several counties have said they won't be enforcing his latest curfew and attempts to stop people having Thanksgiving dinners.

Well said. Excellent informative post.

Kermit.de.frog · 23-11-2020 8:45am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Similar numbers to California, which has been under restrictions since March

California has twice the population.

ceadaoin. · 23-11-2020 8:48am

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Well said. Excellent informative post.

"Rules for thee, not for me" really is how it works here.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/11/20/yet-another-politician-breaks-their-own-covid-19-restrictions-why-does-this-keep-happening/

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/10/30/newsom-sends-his-children-back-to-school-classrooms-in-california-1332811

https://kmph.com/news/local/central-valley-wineries-ordered-to-close-but-governors-winery-remains-open

Regardless of what "side" a politician is on, this really is unacceptable. The governor of the state I live in currently has coronavirus diagnosed about a week after an alleged large Halloween party at his home. All this while he was discouraging trick or treating and parties. Like I said, rules for thee, not for me.

ceadaoin. · 23-11-2020 8:51am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

California has twice the population.

If lockdowns and restrictions work, why have they had over 18000 deaths? And why are their cases and deaths now increasing rapidly again despite being locked down since march?

Kermit.de.frog · 23-11-2020 8:54am

ceadaoin. wrote: »

If lockdowns and restrictions work, why have they had over 18000 deaths? And why are their cases and deaths now increasing rapidly again despite being locked down since march?

The mitigation is not about stopping rises in cases, it's about limiting the rise.

ceadaoin. · 23-11-2020 9:03am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The mitigation is not about stopping rises in cases, it's about limiting the rise.

Floridas cases are rising at a lower rate than California, despite not many restrictions in place, for months now. Hospitals are still doing ok.

Don't Chute! · 23-11-2020 10:12am

Ciara Kelly on Newstalk this morning in her introduction:
“Carnage in Cork as big crowds gather........”
She then goes on in the interview to actually DEFEND them!

Stormyteacup · 23-11-2020 10:23am

Indo headline reporting restaurants to open permanently but wet pubs to stay closed.

Behind a paywall so haven’t read the full article.

Good news for some of hospitality at least - even if they will most likely be heavily restricted to begin with - at least they won’t be operating under threat of reclosure. Death knell for wet pubs though if true.

JRant · 23-11-2020 10:36am

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Indo headline reporting restaurants to open permanently but wet pubs to stay closed.

Behind a paywall so haven’t read the full article.

Good news for some of hospitality at least - even if they will most likely be heavily restricted to begin with - at least they won’t be operating under threat of reclosure. Death knell for wet pubs though if true.

As it's the Indo we can take it as coming straight from the governments mouth. Absolutely scandalous decision if true and shows the agenda of NPHET in a clear light. As long as they are around they will push to have pubs remain closed permanently or until they can no longer reopen.

Rrrrrr2 · 23-11-2020 10:37am

JRant wrote: »

As it's the Indo we can take it as coming straight from the governments mouth. Absolutely scandalous decision if true and shows the agenda of NPHET in a clear light. As long as they are around they will push to have pubs remain closed permanently or until they can no longer reopen.

Puritanical anti alcohol agenda for sure with these fanatics

TRANQUILLO · 23-11-2020 10:39am

Im sure everyone has seen this titanic meme/analogy already.

While humorous it misses a central point........some of us don't agree that we have hit an iceberg in the first place.

average_runner · 23-11-2020 11:01am

JRant wrote: »

As it's the Indo we can take it as coming straight from the governments mouth. Absolutely scandalous decision if true and shows the agenda of NPHET in a clear light. As long as they are around they will push to have pubs remain closed permanently or until they can no longer reopen.

If the pubs serve food they be allowed to open. This means most pubs in Dublin can open if they want. Last time they allowed the pubs to open, majority that wanted to open did.

dalyboy · 23-11-2020 11:02am

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Indo headline reporting restaurants to open permanently but wet pubs to stay closed.

Behind a paywall so haven’t read the full article.

Good news for some of hospitality at least - even if they will most likely be heavily restricted to begin with - at least they won’t be operating under threat of reclosure. Death knell for wet pubs though if true.

NPHET have decided to continue the closure of pubs ?
So they are literally green lighting house parties.
That’s fine , house parties it is then.

The complete and utter anti-logic these clowns are applying to their own “reduce the infection numbers” agenda is as baffling as it is hilarious.

average_runner · 23-11-2020 11:06am

dalyboy wrote: »

NPHET have decided to continue the closure of pubs ?
So they are literally green lighting house parties.
That’s fine , house parties it is then.

The complete and utter anti-logic these clowns are applying to their own “reduce the infection numbers” agenda is as baffling as it is hilarious.

Having pubs opening would not stop the house parties. There would be social distancing in the pubs so you wouldn't have the same atmosphere as last xmas.

Go ahead with the house parties, we be in another lockdown for probably 2 months straight after it

average_runner · 23-11-2020 11:11am

Lisa Gray Symmetry wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Orla_Hegarty/status/1330776441697554432

That tweet has nothing to do with what I said, but thanks anyway

timmyntc · 23-11-2020 11:13am

Lisa Gray Symmetry wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Orla_Hegarty/status/1330776441697554432

Very tired of this line "Covid doesnt care if you're doing X, Y, Z".

This is about human behaviour and minimising risk of infection across the population. As we're seeing even today, you cannot close everything and get rid of people's social outlets - they will just socialise in private homes instead which is much more conducive to spread of covid.

Opening pubs is about giving people a social outlet and to discourage house parties, which are much larger drivers of spread.

average_runner · 23-11-2020 11:16am

Lisa Gray Symmetry wrote: »

social distancing makes no difference indoors. but keep banging the drum

I wasn't banging the drum about it, i was stating there be no atmosphere in the pub because of social distancing.

I didn't push an agenda in any of those posts

Oh to add a bit of science to the above:

COVID-19 spreads primarily through respiratory droplets or contact with contaminated surfaces.
Droplets very rarely go further than 2 meters unless you are singing, spitting or shouting alot!!!!

timmyntc · 23-11-2020 11:18am

Lisa Gray Symmetry wrote: »

social distancing makes no difference indoors. but keep banging the drum

Of course it does. This is pure science denial from yourself.

Orla Hegarty is claiming (according to international science) that because virus droplets build up in the air that any indoor environment will quickly become unsafe everywhere because of suspended droplets in the air. Which in a small, non-ventilated room might be true, but not a large pub or restaurant.

Also is there even any studies on how long the virus stays suspended in the air for? Because I havent seen them

dalyboy · 23-11-2020 11:19am

average_runner wrote: »

Having pubs opening would not stop the house parties. There would be social distancing in the pubs so you wouldn't have the same atmosphere as last xmas.

Go ahead with the house parties, we be in another lockdown for probably 2 months straight after it

Having socially distant & regulated pubs open would reduce the number of and need to have “house parties” . That is a logical fact.

Tell me this though. What infection number do you imagine NPHET desire that will deter them from reinstalling a lockdown in January/ February?
Is it 100+ per day , is it 400+ per day , is it 5-10 per day ?
The real answer is no number will stop them and their agenda fuelled lockdown carnage.

facehugger99 · 23-11-2020 11:20am

Most of the infections are coming from hospitals and nursing homes but NPHET have successfully changed the narrative to have people fretting about pubs and house parties.

Ye're being played folks.

23-11-2020 11:23am

dalyboy wrote: »

NPHET have decided to continue the closure of pubs ?
So they are literally green lighting house parties.
That’s fine , house parties it is then.

The complete and utter anti-logic these clowns are applying to their own “reduce the infection numbers” agenda is as baffling as it is hilarious.

NPHET: "So now let's turn our attention to pubs. Any of us seen the inside of one? No, but I read on an anonymous twitter account that Covid becomes extremely potent after one sup. What percentage of case nationally are attributed to pubs? 0.28%. Terrifying stuff, if it reaches 0.5% then we're at a tipping point for humanity. Cannibalism will be next. Thankfully the much higher figures in factories, schools, hospitals and nursing homes are completely irrelevant. At least that's what we spoon-feed the government and our friends in the media. Zara King and George Lee have stuck to their scripts, the plebs down the country will continue to lap it up."

dalyboy · 23-11-2020 11:30am

facehugger99 wrote: »

Most of the infections are coming from hospitals and nursing homes but NPHET have successfully changed the narrative to have people fretting about pubs and house parties.

Ye're being played folks.

It’s amazing how NPHET never produced any infection incidence numbers associated with pubs or restaurants yet at the same time decided based on “science” that it’s in our best interest and safety to shut them down for months at a time.

myfreespirit · 23-11-2020 11:30am

average_runner wrote: »

I wasn't banging the drum about it, i was stating there be no atmosphere in the pub because of social distancing.

I didn't push an agenda in any of those posts

Oh to add a bit of science to the above:

COVID-19 spreads primarily through respiratory droplets or contact with contaminated surfaces.
Droplets very rarely go further than 2 meters unless you are singing, spitting or shouting alot!!!!

Medical science would say that the vectors of transmission are threefold:
1. Fomites - i.e. touching infected surfaces and then touching your face.
2. Respiratory droplets expelled by infectious people coughing/sneezing. As you correctly point out, these droplets normally fall to the ground within 2 metres, hence the physical distancing guidelines.
3. Aerosols- droplets exhaled by infectious people during normal speaking. Aerosols do NOT fall to the ground as they are not heavy enough.; they remain suspended in the air.

It is estimated that as few as 20% of infections are caused by fomite transmission.

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