The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

Eric Cartman · 06-09-2020 3:28am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rzjXTs62cI

The IRA were just criminals pretending to be freedom fighters, just like the shinners now are criminals pretending to be politicians

bobbyy gee · 06-09-2020 3:55am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The IRA were just criminals pretending to be freedom fighters, just like the shinners now are criminals pretending to be politicians

From 1973 the Provisional IRA had carried out waves of bombing attacks on commercial targets in London and elsewhere in England as part of its "economic war". The goal was to damage the economy and cause disruption, which would put pressure on the British government to withdraw from Northern Ireland. Harrods—a large, upmarket department store in the affluent Knightsbridge district, near Buckingham Palace—had been targeted before by the IRA. On 10 December 1983, the IRA carried out its first attack in London for some time when a bomb exploded at the Royal Artillery Barracks, injuring three British soldiers.[3]
One week later, on the afternoon of 17 December, IRA members parked a car bomb near the side entrance of Harrods, on Hans Crescent. The bomb contained 25 to 30 lb (14 kg) of explosives and was set to be detonated by a timer.[4][5] It was left in a 1972 blue Austin 1300 GT four-door saloon car.[4] At 12:44 a man using an IRA codeword phoned the central London branch of the Samaritans charity.[4][5] The caller said there was a car bomb outside Harrods and another bomb inside Harrods, and gave the car's registration plate.[4][5] According to police, he did not give any other description of the car.[4]
The bomb exploded at about 13:21, as four police officers in a car, an officer on foot and a police dog-handler neared the suspect vehicle.[4][5] Six people were killed (three officers and three bystanders) and 90 others were injured, including 14 police officers.[6] The blast damaged 24 cars[4] and all five floors on the side of Harrods, sending a shower of glass down on the street.[5] The police car absorbed much of the blast and this likely prevented further casualties.[4]
Five people died at the scene of the bombing and a sixth later died in hospital. The bystanders who died were Philip Geddes (24), a journalist who had heard about the alert and went to the scene;[6] Jasmine Cochrane-Patrick (25); and Kenneth Salvesen (28), a US citizen.[6][7] The Metropolitan Police officers killed were Sergeant Noel Lane (28) and Constable Jane Arbuthnot (22). A third officer, Inspector Stephen Dodd (34), died in hospital from his injuries on 24 December.[8] Constable Jon Gordon survived, but lost both legs and part of a hand in the blast.[5]
At the time of the explosion, a second warning call was made by the IRA. The caller said that a bomb had been left in the C&A department store at the east end of Oxford Street. Police cleared the area and cordoned it off but this claim was found to be false.[9] In the aftermath of the attack, hundreds of extra police and mobile bomb squads were drafted into London.[5] Aleck Craddock, chairman of Harrods, reported that £1 million in turnover had been lost as a result of the bombing.[10] Despite the damage, Harrods re-opened three days later, proclaiming it would not be "defeated by acts of terrorism".[5] Denis Thatcher, the husband of British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, visited the store and told reporters "no damned Irishman is going to stop me going there".[11]

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 11:24am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Big Phil lost his job because he lied to his bosses.

Exactly, and he was treated accordingly. Hogan is fortunate he is not a member of SF different rules there. Poor auld Dennis Donaldson did not last long RIP. Also technically the government of Ireland did not have the power to remove Hogan. He did the decent thing and resigned.
If only SF could do the decent thing instead of playing 'nod and wink provo/comradai', more people would vote for them.

I honestly think there is a cohort of SF voter/member that gets a kick out of being associated with murder, punishment beatings, the disappeared, wiping shíte on walls, makes them feel like the hard men/woman. Above the law and part of a glorious struggle.
Not all SF people put there is a definite element there.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 11:28am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Exactly, and he was treated accordingly. Hogan is fortunate he is not a member of SF different rules there. Poor auld Dennis Donaldson did not last long RIP.

Isn't it alleged that Denis Donaldson was indeed taken out by his bosses...MI5?

Truthvader · 06-09-2020 11:29am

bobbyy gee wrote: »

From 1973 the Provisional IRA had carried out waves of bombing attacks on commercial targets in London and elsewhere in England as part of its "economic war". The goal was to damage the economy and cause disruption, which would put pressure on the British government to withdraw from Northern Ireland. Harrods—a large, upmarket department store in the affluent Knightsbridge district, near Buckingham Palace—had been targeted before by the IRA. On 10 December 1983, the IRA carried out its first attack in London for some time when a bomb exploded at the Royal Artillery Barracks, injuring three British soldiers.[3]
One week later, on the afternoon of 17 December, IRA members parked a car bomb near the side entrance of Harrods, on Hans Crescent. The bomb contained 25 to 30 lb (14 kg) of explosives and was set to be detonated by a timer.[4][5] It was left in a 1972 blue Austin 1300 GT four-door saloon car.[4] At 12:44 a man using an IRA codeword phoned the central London branch of the Samaritans charity.[4][5] The caller said there was a car bomb outside Harrods and another bomb inside Harrods, and gave the car's registration plate.[4][5] According to police, he did not give any other description of the car.[4]
The bomb exploded at about 13:21, as four police officers in a car, an officer on foot and a police dog-handler neared the suspect vehicle.[4][5] Six people were killed (three officers and three bystanders) and 90 others were injured, including 14 police officers.[6] The blast damaged 24 cars[4] and all five floors on the side of Harrods, sending a shower of glass down on the street.[5] The police car absorbed much of the blast and this likely prevented further casualties.[4]
Five people died at the scene of the bombing and a sixth later died in hospital. The bystanders who died were Philip Geddes (24), a journalist who had heard about the alert and went to the scene;[6] Jasmine Cochrane-Patrick (25); and Kenneth Salvesen (28), a US citizen.[6][7] The Metropolitan Police officers killed were Sergeant Noel Lane (28) and Constable Jane Arbuthnot (22). A third officer, Inspector Stephen Dodd (34), died in hospital from his injuries on 24 December.[8] Constable Jon Gordon survived, but lost both legs and part of a hand in the blast.[5]
At the time of the explosion, a second warning call was made by the IRA. The caller said that a bomb had been left in the C&A department store at the east end of Oxford Street. Police cleared the area and cordoned it off but this claim was found to be false.[9] In the aftermath of the attack, hundreds of extra police and mobile bomb squads were drafted into London.[5] Aleck Craddock, chairman of Harrods, reported that £1 million in turnover had been lost as a result of the bombing.[10] Despite the damage, Harrods re-opened three days later, proclaiming it would not be "defeated by acts of terrorism".[5] Denis Thatcher, the husband of British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, visited the store and told reporters "no damned Irishman is going to stop me going there".[11]

And the decent people of Finglas vote in Dessie Ellis top of the pole.

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 11:46am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Isn't it alleged that Denis Donaldson was indeed taken out by his bosses...MI5?

No it was IRA MI5 is a nice republican cover story, lets call a spade a spade and a shovel and shovel.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/man-to-be-charged-with-murder-of-denis-donaldson-1.3945518

As you say yourself SF are not a normal political party. It is up to them to normalise but a lot don't want to because it means they are a law unto themselves.

Many a SF poster on here no doubt got a kick out of David Culliane and Dessie Ellis antics during the GE. Plus many a SF poster on here got a kick out of SF breaking social distancing at a Martin Storey's funeral (brains of SF - good republican - enforcer - and mastermind of the Northern Bank robbery).
No consequences.

Yet other political parties have political consequences if they do not follow rules - or rule of law. SF can snigger away in the shadows.

It must be great craic being in SF and voting SF because 'getting away with murder' is not just a phrase, it is part of the ideology and has a more literal meaning.

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 11:53am

Truthvader wrote: »

And the decent people of Finglas vote in Dessie Ellis top of the pole.

And that makes them decent does it? To me it is more likely the disaffected working class voter on the fringes of society who wants to stick it to 'the establishment' with poor levels of education. And/or a voter who was duped by promises of free houses and does not know thier history.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 11:56am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

No it was IRA MI5 is a nice republican cover story, lets call a spade a spade and a shovel and shovel.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/man-to-be-charged-with-murder-of-denis-donaldson-1.3945518

As you say yourself SF are not a normal political party. It is up to them to normalise but a lot don't want to because it means they are a law unto themselves.

Many a SF poster on here no doubt got a kick out of David Culliane and Dessie Ellis antics during the GE. Plus many a SF poster on here got a kick out of SF breaking social distancing at a Martin Storey's funeral (brains of SF - good republican - enforcer - and mastermind of the Northern Bank robbery).
No consequences.

Yet other political parties have political consequences if they do not follow rules - or rule of law.

It must be great craic being in SF and voting SF because 'getting away with murder' is not just a phrase, it is part of the ideology and has a more literal meaning.

I criticised SF for taking part in the funeral and if they broke rules then a price should be paid by whoever did that.

Far as I know social distancing is guidance and not a rule..as is taking a selfie which the person involved in it apologised for...like all those who apologised for being at the golf event and have gotten on with their political lives.

Hogan lied about what he did and paid the price with his job. SF members who have broken rules have paid a price..the councilor who went to Spain had the whip removed, exactly in line with what happened others that did the same, members have been suspended for tweets, and other misbehaviours and ignoring party rules.

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 12:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I criticised SF for taking part in the funeral and if they broke rules then a price should be paid by whoever did that.

Far as I know social distancing is guidance and not a rule..as is taking a selfie which the person involved in it apologised for...like all those who apologised for being at the golf event and have gotten on with their political lives.

Hogan lied about what he did and paid the price with his job. SF members who have broken rules have paid a price..the councilor who went to Spain had the whip removed, exactly in line with what happened others that did the same, members have been suspended for tweets, and other misbehaviours and ignoring party rules.

It is always low hanging fruit with SF. Gerry, Mary Lou, and Michelle were never going to be censured were they? Would Mary or Michelle step down as party leader? Even have a vote of no confidence?

Gerry breezed through his time as leader despite Maria Cahill. Liam Adams and so on. Untouchable. The Don.

If Michael Martin did something similar as they did at that funeral his position would be untenable. And rightly so.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 12:37pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is always low hanging fruit with SF. Gerry, Mary Lou, and Michelle were never going to be censured were they? Would Mary or Michelle step down as party leader? Even have a vote of no confidence?

Gerry breezed through his time as leader despite Maria Cahill. Liam Adams and so on. Untouchable. The Don.

If Michael Martin did something similar as they did at that funeral his position would be untenable. And rightly so.

Mary Lou and Michelle...what did they do that was a break of the rules?

We saw Leo flout guidance at a number of photo ops...Michael visited home on Cork when there were restrictions and 'neglected' to say it. Positions 'untenable'?

Take the blinkers off GGD

rdwight · 06-09-2020 12:42pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Big Phil lost his job because he lied to his bosses.

If Hogan had appeared in selfies from Clifden he wouldn't have lasted long enough to lie to his boss. He would have been gone within an hour.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/northe...ened--1992518/

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 12:46pm

rdwight wrote: »

If Hogan had appeared in selfies from Clifden he wouldn't have lasted long enough to lie to his boss. He would have been gone within an hour.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/northe...ened--1992518/

I would contend the omerta on any pictures or video from the golf shindig is far more sinister than an absent minded stupid selfie.

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 12:53pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mary Lou and Michelle...what did they do that was a break of the rules?

We saw Leo flout guidance at a number of photo ops...Michael visited home on Cork when there were restrictions and 'neglected' to say it. Positions 'untenable'?

Take the blinkers off GGD

I am not going to repost those SF funeral photos again. They have already been discussed ad nauseam and 'ignored' ad nauseam.

Martin was acting in his capacity as an essential worker (ie acting government).
Was there a massive event with throngs of people in his own own home back in April?
Also if you do view Martin's actions as wrong it is clear that Michelle. Mary Lou and Gerry did not (blurring lines even further) as they were blatantly in the midst of a non social distanced crowd in July.
Many people in Ireland could not attend the burial of loved ones due to Covid19. Yet SF can do what they like for 'a good Republican'?

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 12:57pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I would contend the omerta on any pictures or video from the golf shindig is far more sinister than an absent minded stupid selfie.

A SF supporter typing the words 'Omerta' and 'Sinister' in one sentence - one of your more amusing posts!

rdwight · 06-09-2020 12:58pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I would contend the omerta on any pictures or video from the golf shindig is far more sinister than an absent minded stupid selfie.

Absence of evidence about something nobody claimed happened is evidence that something sinister is happening?

I take my hat off to you, Francie. That's got to qualify you for the Shinner Spinner of the month award.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 1:01pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am not going to repost those SF funeral photos again. They have already been discussedad nauseam and ignored ad nauseam.

Martin was acting in his capacity as an essential worker (ie Taoiseach).
Was there a massive event with throngs of people in his own own home back in April?
Also if you do view Martin's actions as wrong it is clear that Michelle. Mary Lou and Gerry did not (blurring lines even further) as they were blatantly in the midst of a non social distanced crowd in July.
Many people in Ireland could not attend the burial of loved ones due to Covid19. Yet SF can do what they like for 'a good Republican'?

I haven't called for a resignation of anybody because guidance was ignored - Martin by the way was not doing 'essential business' going home for clothes - I have though called for resignations when people are caught lying and the facts come out. How many times did Hogan lie?

We all watched other funerals and the ignoring of guidance and because we have empathy as a people...said nothing. I still cherish that as a community attribute. I don't put different communities on pedestals though as some clearly do.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 1:03pm

rdwight wrote: »

Absence of evidence about something nobody claimed happened is evidence that something sinister is happening?

I take my hat off to you, Francie. That's got to qualify you for the Shinner Spinner of the month award.

Sorry, I DO find it amazing in the day and age of cameras that not one picture has surfaced...I am not the only one who finds that odd and has asked was there a ban on photos because they knew they were flouting the rules.

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 1:04pm

rdwight wrote: »

Absence of evidence about something nobody claimed happened is evidence that something sinister is happening?

I take my hat off to you, Francie. That's got to qualify you for the Shinner Spinner of the month award.

Ah he is good in fairness thinks quick, always ready for a comeback, relentless!

A1 for commitment to the cause.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 3:18pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Ah he is good in fairness thinks quick, always ready for a comeback, relentless!

A1 for commitment to the cause.

In fairness, it isn't my fault you guys are not thinking things through.
Lying repeatedly all the way up to your EU boss is different to ignoring Covid advice.

blanch152 · 06-09-2020 3:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I criticised SF for taking part in the funeral and if they broke rules then a price should be paid by whoever did that.

Far as I know social distancing is guidance and not a rule..as is taking a selfie which the person involved in it apologised for...like all those who apologised for being at the golf event and have gotten on with their political lives.

Hogan lied about what he did and paid the price with his job. SF members who have broken rules have paid a price..the councilor who went to Spain had the whip removed, exactly in line with what happened others that did the same, members have been suspended for tweets, and other misbehaviours and ignoring party rules.

Pedantically distinguishing between guidelines and rules is a weasel word approach to denying responsibility and accountability.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 3:33pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Pedantically distinguishing between guidelines and rules is a weasel word approach to denying responsibility and accountability.

Hogan lost his job because of fairly routine FG arrogance. Like those before him he thought he could lie and nobody would call him to account.
Ursula did. Get over it.
He was the only resignation I called for.
If I was to call for all who broke or ignored guidelines from the start to resign there would be some casualty list across all parties.

tikkahunter · 06-09-2020 9:44pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Ah he is good in fairness thinks quick, always ready for a comeback, relentless!

A1 for commitment to the cause.

20,000 posts defending them is a lot of practice in fairness

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 10:18am

McMurphy wrote: »

I need more to go on here? Who broke the same guideline's as Phil Hogan?

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0910/1164300-sinn-fein-storey/

"Sinn Féin's leader in Northern Ireland has acknowledged that the public health messaging capacity of the Stormont Executive was undermined by the controversy around the funeral of Bobby Storey earlier this year.

Michelle O'Neill told RTÉ News that she regrets what happened when large numbers attended the veteran republican's funeral in June, including herself and party leader Mary Lou McDonald."

Michelle seems to indicate that she broke guidelines. Maybe, like Phil Hogan, she should do the decent thing and resign.

https://www.thejournal.ie/michelle-oneill-public-health-damaged-5200733-Sep2020/

"Those who set the rules must abide by the results."

JohnnyFlash · 10-09-2020 10:41am

It's always 'regret'.

Hamsterchops · 10-09-2020 10:52am

Just looking at Mary Lou yesterday in the Dail and it struck me that they really are just a bunch of leftovers from other parties (MLM ex FF), they're a noisy verbal opposition with no real talent, apart from condemning those in power

Can't for the life of me imagine Mary Lou, David Cullinane, Louise O'Reilly, Martina Anderson and the rest actually running the country, like when you really think about it, it would be total madness.

NIMAN · 10-09-2020 10:59am

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0910/1164300-sinn-fein-storey/

"Sinn Féin's leader in Northern Ireland has acknowledged that the public health messaging capacity of the Stormont Executive was undermined by the controversy around the funeral of Bobby Storey earlier this year.

Michelle O'Neill told RTÉ News that she regrets what happened when large numbers attended the veteran republican's funeral in June, including herself and party leader Mary Lou McDonald."

Michelle seems to indicate that she broke guidelines. Maybe, like Phil Hogan, she should do the decent thing and resign.

https://www.thejournal.ie/michelle-oneill-public-health-damaged-5200733-Sep2020/

"Those who set the rules must abide by the results."

Politics north and south in this country are 2 very different things though.

There is no negative impact on your career in the north if you do wrong, so Michelle will never be hounded out of her position like Phil Hogan was.

Sure if you can preside over costing the state half a billion on a dodgy heating scheme and still keep your job, then what hope Michelle will leave her job?

Jinglejangle69 · 10-09-2020 11:05am

Any resignations from SF?

They were quick to call out Clifden.

Not holding my breathe.

McMurphy · 10-09-2020 11:08am

blanch152 wrote: »

"

Michelle seems to indicate that she broke guidelines. Maybe, like Phil Hogan, she should do the decent thing and resign.

Blanch, there's only so many times you can have the same thing repeated over and over to you - so here goes.

10 PRINT “Phil Hogan did not resign because he broke pandemic guidelines, he resigned because he broke them on multiple occasions, and then lied to the public and his boss about what he did, and where he went”

20 GOTO 10

RUN

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 11:37am

McMurphy wrote: »

Blanch, there's only so many times you can have the same thing repeated over and over to you - so here goes.

10 PRINT “Phil Hogan did not resign because he broke pandemic guidelines, he resigned because he broke them on multiple occasions, and then lied to the public and his boss about what he did, and where he went”

20 GOTO 10

RUN

Thanks for helping the case against Michelle. She has spent months denying any wrongdoing before finally apologising for it, are you trying to say she didn't lie about breaking the restrictions?

Not just Phil Hogan, but Dara Calleary, Jerry Buttimer and others did the decent thing and resigned. Remember Dara Calleary didn't break the regulations or the guidelines, the hotel did, in the same way that Michelle will claim she didn't break the regulations or guidelines but the funeral did.

So, again should Michelle copy the good example set by Dara Calleary and resign because she has lost credibility on messaging as she herself admits?

rdwight · 10-09-2020 11:44am

In an interview with RTÉ News, O’Neill acknowledged that the Stormont Executive’s public health messaging capacity had been undermined by the row.

“I accept that we have not been able to deliver clear messaging in the format that was the practice before this controversy.”

It took her 2 months to realise her behaviour had undermined the public health message?

Storeygate for slow learners.

Truthvader · 10-09-2020 11:54am

Much more concerned by the glorification of the thug Storey and the Sinn Fein IRA budget paramilitary display at the pretendy funeral than any breach of covid restrictions. Expect we will be waiting for any apology on that front for a while.

Mary Lou on the radio this morning blithely bleating on about the difficulty of losing loved ones during covid apparently insensitive to all the loved ones deliberately murdered by her colleagues over the years. Yes Mary; very difficult indeed.

markodaly · 10-09-2020 12:05pm

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/michelle-oneill-public-health-damaged-5200733-Sep2020/

"Those who set the rules must abide by the results."

I hope the boys in West Belfast will tell her to resign so, as you know, fair is fair....

I also hope those who for days and weeks criticised Hogan and Co. will equally be forthright in their demands for O'Neil to resign.

markodaly · 10-09-2020 12:07pm

Truthvader wrote: »

Much more concerned by the glorification of the thug Storey and the Sinn Fein IRA budget paramilitary display at the pretendy funeral than any breach of covid restrictions. Expect we will be waiting for any apology on that front for a while.

Mary Lou on the radio this morning blithely bleating on about the difficulty of losing loved ones during covid apparently insensitive to all the loved ones deliberately murdered by her colleagues over the years. Yes Mary; very difficult indeed.

The neck of her....

Yet, at the same token Storey and the boys from the old brigade took over the Crematorium for the day, denying other loved ones the chance to say their final goodbyes.

So, do as I say, but not as I do.
Yet, people buy in the brainwashing that SF are different?

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 12:09pm

markodaly wrote: »

I hope the boys in West Belfast will tell her to resign so, as you know, fair is fair....

I also hope those who for days and weeks criticised Hogan and Co. will equally be forthright in their demands for O'Neil to resign.

As McMurphy has pointed out the most apt comparison isn't with Phil Hogan. He has helped point me towards the example of Dara Calleary, who didn't break any regulation or guideline but who resigned because his actions had undermined the public health messaging capacity of the government - the same offence that Michelle has admitted to.

Dara Calleary did the right thing very quickly, months and months later, Sinn Fein deputy leader O'Neill has repeatedly failed on that count.

JohnnyFlash · 10-09-2020 12:13pm

Not a normal party.

10-09-2020 12:29pm

Hamsterchops wrote: »

.............
Can't for the life of me imagine Mary Lou, David Cullinane, Louise O'Reilly, Martina Anderson and the rest actually running the country, like when you really think about it, it would be total madness.

Total lunacy.
Forever home for all the wasters, tax cuts, raise corporation tax, tax the wealthy (but yet have tax cuts) ........ to be fair they just spiel populist horsesh1t that folk who are not overly smart find appealing despite the impossibility of it all

Jinglejangle69 · 10-09-2020 1:03pm

Augeo wrote: »

Total lunacy.
Forever home for all the wasters, tax cuts, raise corporation tax, tax the wealthy (but yet have tax cuts) ........ to be fair they just spiel populist horsesh1t that folk who are not overly smart find appealing despite the impossibility of it all

Don't forget the apple tax!!

tikkahunter · 10-09-2020 1:20pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Don't forget the apple tax!!

Why ?? Their mouth pieces on here have - actually totally blanked it and haven’t responded to any posts about it .

christy c · 10-09-2020 2:12pm

tikkahunter wrote: »

Why ?? Their mouth pieces on here have - actually totally blanked it and haven’t responded to any posts about it .

The most you get is something incoherent about "FAIRNESS".

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 2:31pm

christy c wrote: »

The most you get is something incoherent about "FAIRNESS".

The Parnell Square server must be gone down, as there has been little response to the news about Michelle admittting to undermining the Covid-19 health message.

dundalkfc10 · 10-09-2020 2:34pm

Ah the Govt a shambles again, Minister Agriculture not even knowing what's going on in his Dept, the SF threads are busy again. Shock Horror

tikkahunter · 10-09-2020 3:22pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Ah the Govt a shambles again, Minister Agriculture not even knowing what's going on in his Dept, the SF threads are busy again. Shock Horror

You wouldn’t be trying to spin there would you . What about the Apple money Mary ?

dundalkfc10 · 10-09-2020 3:25pm

tikkahunter wrote: »

You wouldn’t be trying to spin there would you . What about the Apple money Mary ?

My names not Mary

10-09-2020 3:30pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

My names not Mary

Jinglejangle69 · 10-09-2020 8:35pm

Very quite in here after Michelle's admission.

Couldnt shut them up when it was Clifden a few weeks ago.

Laughable

Colonel Claptrap · 10-09-2020 8:38pm

They have gone away you know.

FrancieBrady · 10-09-2020 8:39pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Very quite in here after Michelle's admission.

Couldnt shut them up when it was Clifden a few weeks ago.

Laughable

What is it you were wanting to see JJ?

Michelle has admitted to what I criticised her for. Good.
That's that then.

A funeral was never the same thing as a jolly for the golf lads and the elites.
Nor was it the same thing as a FG Commissioner lying to everybody including his EU boss and when caught having to resign.

Jinglejangle69 · 10-09-2020 8:42pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is it you were wanting to see JJ?

Michelle has admitted to what I criticised her for. Good.
That's that then.

A funeral was never the same thing as a jolly for the golf lads and the elites.
Nor was it the same thing as a FG Commissioner lying to everybody including his EU boss and when caught having to resign.

Rules were broken.

There is no two ways about it.

Doesn't matter if its a funeral or a golf outing.

Many people couldn't and still can't go to loved ones funerals but SF and their members are different??

Michelle knows what she should do.

But it's SF so we know they will never face up to their mistakes.

Ever.

FrancieBrady · 10-09-2020 8:48pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Rules were broken.

There is no two ways about it.

Doesn't matter if its a funeral or a golf outing.

Many people couldn't and still can't go to loved ones funerals but SF and their members are different??

Michelle knows what she should do.

But it's SF so we know they will never face up to their mistakes.

Ever.

Rules and guidelines have been broken and gnored since this thing started by all and sundry.
The only resignation I called for was the FG commissioner who got caught lying (8 times was it?)

People have to modify behaviour, that was always going to be a learning process.
Would the Oireactas organise a golf outing again...no they wouldn't, we hope. Would a state funeral be allowed to break guidelines again...no it wouldn't, we hope. Would SF organise a funeral like that again..no they wouldn't, we hope.
Will a FGer arrogantly lie again....hmmmm.

Jinglejangle69 · 10-09-2020 8:52pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Rules and guidelines have been broken and gnored since this thing started by all and sundry.
The only resignation I called for was the FG commissioner who got caught lying (8 times was it?)

People have to modify behaviour, that was always going to be a learning process.
Would the Oireactas organise a golf outing again...no they wouldn't, we hope. Would a state funeral be allowed to break guidelines again...no it wouldn't, we hope. Would SF organise a funeral like that again..no they wouldn't, we hope.
Will a FGer arrogantly lie again....hmmmm.

What about FF's David who resigned straight away.

Did you think he shouldn't have?

Do you think it's OK if we all ignore the guidelines?

Is that SFs stance?

The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

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