rdwight wrote: » Absence of evidence about something nobody claimed happened is evidence that something sinister is happening? I take my hat off to you, Francie. That's got to qualify you for the Shinner Spinner of the month award.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » I am not going to repost those SF funeral photos again. They have already been discussedad nauseam and ignored ad nauseam. Martin was acting in his capacity as an essential worker (ie Taoiseach). Was there a massive event with throngs of people in his own own home back in April? Also if you do view Martin's actions as wrong it is clear that Michelle. Mary Lou and Gerry did not (blurring lines even further) as they were blatantly in the midst of a non social distanced crowd in July. Many people in Ireland could not attend the burial of loved ones due to Covid19. Yet SF can do what they like for 'a good Republican'?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I would contend the omerta on any pictures or video from the golf shindig is far more sinister than an absent minded stupid selfie.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Mary Lou and Michelle...what did they do that was a break of the rules? We saw Leo flout guidance at a number of photo ops...Michael visited home on Cork when there were restrictions and 'neglected' to say it. Positions 'untenable'? Take the blinkers off GGD
rdwight wrote: » If Hogan had appeared in selfies from Clifden he wouldn't have lasted long enough to lie to his boss. He would have been gone within an hour.http://www.irishnews.com/news/northe...ened--1992518/
FrancieBrady wrote: » Big Phil lost his job because he lied to his bosses.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » It is always low hanging fruit with SF. Gerry, Mary Lou, and Michelle were never going to be censured were they? Would Mary or Michelle step down as party leader? Even have a vote of no confidence? Gerry breezed through his time as leader despite Maria Cahill. Liam Adams and so on. Untouchable. The Don. If Michael Martin did something similar as they did at that funeral his position would be untenable. And rightly so.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I criticised SF for taking part in the funeral and if they broke rules then a price should be paid by whoever did that. Far as I know social distancing is guidance and not a rule..as is taking a selfie which the person involved in it apologised for...like all those who apologised for being at the golf event and have gotten on with their political lives. Hogan lied about what he did and paid the price with his job. SF members who have broken rules have paid a price..the councilor who went to Spain had the whip removed, exactly in line with what happened others that did the same, members have been suspended for tweets, and other misbehaviours and ignoring party rules.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » No it was IRA MI5 is a nice republican cover story, lets call a spade a spade and a shovel and shovel.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/man-to-be-charged-with-murder-of-denis-donaldson-1.3945518 As you say yourself SF are not a normal political party. It is up to them to normalise but a lot don't want to because it means they are a law unto themselves. Many a SF poster on here no doubt got a kick out of David Culliane and Dessie Ellis antics during the GE. Plus many a SF poster on here got a kick out of SF breaking social distancing at a Martin Storey's funeral (brains of SF - good republican - enforcer - and mastermind of the Northern Bank robbery). No consequences. Yet other political parties have political consequences if they do not follow rules - or rule of law. It must be great craic being in SF and voting SF because 'getting away with murder' is not just a phrase, it is part of the ideology and has a more literal meaning.
Truthvader wrote: » And the decent people of Finglas vote in Dessie Ellis top of the pole.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Isn't it alleged that Denis Donaldson was indeed taken out by his bosses...MI5?
bobbyy gee wrote: » From 1973 the Provisional IRA had carried out waves of bombing attacks on commercial targets in London and elsewhere in England as part of its "economic war". The goal was to damage the economy and cause disruption, which would put pressure on the British government to withdraw from Northern Ireland. Harrods—a large, upmarket department store in the affluent Knightsbridge district, near Buckingham Palace—had been targeted before by the IRA. On 10 December 1983, the IRA carried out its first attack in London for some time when a bomb exploded at the Royal Artillery Barracks, injuring three British soldiers.[3] One week later, on the afternoon of 17 December, IRA members parked a car bomb near the side entrance of Harrods, on Hans Crescent. The bomb contained 25 to 30 lb (14 kg) of explosives and was set to be detonated by a timer.[4][5] It was left in a 1972 blue Austin 1300 GT four-door saloon car.[4] At 12:44 a man using an IRA codeword phoned the central London branch of the Samaritans charity.[4][5] The caller said there was a car bomb outside Harrods and another bomb inside Harrods, and gave the car's registration plate.[4][5] According to police, he did not give any other description of the car.[4] The bomb exploded at about 13:21, as four police officers in a car, an officer on foot and a police dog-handler neared the suspect vehicle.[4][5] Six people were killed (three officers and three bystanders) and 90 others were injured, including 14 police officers.[6] The blast damaged 24 cars[4] and all five floors on the side of Harrods, sending a shower of glass down on the street.[5] The police car absorbed much of the blast and this likely prevented further casualties.[4] Five people died at the scene of the bombing and a sixth later died in hospital. The bystanders who died were Philip Geddes (24), a journalist who had heard about the alert and went to the scene;[6] Jasmine Cochrane-Patrick (25); and Kenneth Salvesen (28), a US citizen.[6][7] The Metropolitan Police officers killed were Sergeant Noel Lane (28) and Constable Jane Arbuthnot (22). A third officer, Inspector Stephen Dodd (34), died in hospital from his injuries on 24 December.[8] Constable Jon Gordon survived, but lost both legs and part of a hand in the blast.[5] At the time of the explosion, a second warning call was made by the IRA. The caller said that a bomb had been left in the C&A department store at the east end of Oxford Street. Police cleared the area and cordoned it off but this claim was found to be false.[9] In the aftermath of the attack, hundreds of extra police and mobile bomb squads were drafted into London.[5] Aleck Craddock, chairman of Harrods, reported that £1 million in turnover had been lost as a result of the bombing.[10] Despite the damage, Harrods re-opened three days later, proclaiming it would not be "defeated by acts of terrorism".[5] Denis Thatcher, the husband of British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, visited the store and told reporters "no damned Irishman is going to stop me going there".[11]
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Exactly, and he was treated accordingly. Hogan is fortunate he is not a member of SF different rules there. Poor auld Dennis Donaldson did not last long RIP.
Eric Cartman wrote: » The IRA were just criminals pretending to be freedom fighters, just like the shinners now are criminals pretending to be politicians
JohnnyFlash wrote: » https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rzjXTs62cI
blanch152 wrote: » The First Minister added: “There are investigations ongoing both at a police level and an Assembly level as well and we’ll have to see the outcome of all of that.
rdwight wrote: » Not sure if Big Phil actually took selfies while breaking guidelines, but he definitely paid a higher price than darling Michelle.http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/02/news/michelle-o-neill-says-funeral-selfie-should-not-have-happened--1992518/
landofthetree wrote: » Sinn Fein voted for the legislation a few days ago. Now they are complaining about it.https://gript.ie/sinn-fein-vote-for-the-new-laws-for-pubs-that-they-also-described-as-draconian/
McMurphy wrote: » I need more to go on here? Who broke the same guideline's [sic] as Phil Hogan?
smurgen wrote: » There wasn't a war because Dublin abandoned Catholics in the North. The IRA filled the void where the state should have protected them. Good to see Europe however are looking for answers for the British. FFG are too cowardly to ask. "Council of Europe committee presses UK government over Pat Finucane probe" https://jrnl.ie/5196075
Triangle wrote: » It's called terrorism, war is between nations. And my mother missed being included (involuntarily) in this so called war when a bomb went off in Belfast. You can paint it any way you like but it's still terrorism.
Odhinn wrote: » They were forces of the crown, hence "crown forces". Yes, its a thing called "War".
maccored wrote: » each to their own I suppose. reading over the past few pages it just seems to be a shinner slagfest, waiting for someone to bite. Yous'll be waiting, dude.
blanch152 wrote: » It hasn't gone away, you know....https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/watch-foster-voices-frustration-at-sinn-fein-over-damage-from-storey-funeral-39501997.html "“Sinn Fein pushed very hard in the Republic of Ireland to have people acknowledge there was wrongdoing in relation to going to a golf dinner, but I think we all saw the scenes in west Belfast in relation to that funeral and the fact that regulations and guidance were breached at that time,” she said. The First Minister added: “There are investigations ongoing both at a police level and an Assembly level as well and we’ll have to see the outcome of all of that. “But I think it would help if there was an acknowledgement that there has been damage done to confidence and to messaging in and around Covid-19.” Once again, as they did with their grandstanding over an Irish languages act for three years, Sinn Fein are going to do serious damage to the Northern Assembly with their antics. Is it any wonder that not a single party in the South ever entered serious talks on a coalition government with them?
