Off Topic Thread 5.0

We're all surely old enough to know that contraception is never 100%, or that condoms slip off, or women forget their pill, or you just get carried away in the heat of the moment, or something more sinister happens.

But of course access to contraception is also in the firing line...

Or that a lot of guys won’t wear condoms. That drunk sex happens. That many things such as antibiotics and alcohol affect the reliability of the pill.

Simple fact is, if men got pregnant, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

Maybe they should?

Just noticed on my newsfeed that a pride parade was shot up in Oslo. Apparently a hate crime?

Pride would probably wind up fundamentalist Muslims and make this sort of think more likely, no?

I use Express. It's not free, but it's pretty good for me so far.

Have you discovered 100% successful contraception? If so, you need to let the world know about it. There are no guarantees in any form known. Also, how many unwanted pregnancies are there in those who are really still children and who don't possess the intellectual maturity to understand the consequences of their actions. 12-year-olds, 13-year-olds, 14-year-olds, 15-year-olds, 16-year-olds. Who is going to look after their best interests? Not brainless, fascist half-wits like Trump, Cruz et al.

Abortion can be required for a host of reasons. Unwanted pregnancies is just one of those. Contraception doesn’t work 100% of the time when it’s used and even in those scenarios where a couple doesn’t use it, why should the woman be the one that pays the price for that?

Its very, very easy for men to comment on things like these when we don’t really have a clue about what’s involved or what’s at stake. Forcing a woman to carry a baby to term when they do not want to is cruel. The day to day impacts on them, from things like possible morning sickness to the inevitable hormonal impacts to the possible complications that can arise over the course of the pregnancy that can lead of difficulties doing the most basic things like walking to health issues to the mother etc. These are all things that no man goes through and things far too many men seem willing to ignore. Even giving birth is a painful and sometimes dangerous process. Some of the side effects to it can leave women unable to sit down properly for months such is the damage and pain they go through. When are men ever forced to endure something like that? In this scenario the man can easily have his fun and walk away. It takes two for this to happen, but only 1 person is forced to pay the price.

And all this so that Conservatives can care so much about the unborn and then so little about those fetuses once they become children. They want more guns and more kids in a country that already has a name for kids being killed by guns. There’s really only one way this is all going. And then these same Conservatives will claim they can do nothing other than offer prayers. Kids dying is only political when they are in the womb. Not when they are out of it.

Did ye watch Paul McCartney at Glastonbury last night? Some man for 80. A brilliant gig that's well worth a watch. You can get them all on iPlayer if you know how to get that.

The only effective contraception would be give all boys over 12 a vasectomy. Then reverse it when they’re ready to have children. Can you imagine all these white men signing up to that?

So you agree that people should be allowed to have abortions if they so desire/need. So almost like you're saying that people have a right to an abortion?

No. Is vasectomy a right? How about a liver transplant? Or liposuction or any medical procedure.