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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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  • #1502
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    In fairness I'd say some people, maybe even most people including the authorities would blame those cyclists for that accident for cycling two abreast.


  • #1503
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    In fairness I'd say some people, maybe even most people including the authorities would blame those cyclists for that accident for cycling two abreast.
    ...but that is part of the problem.
    Most people don't know the advice and rules and following years of nonsense in the media about cycling there's now a belief that people on bikes are a form of second class road user.
    Like the nonsense that the troll was saying earlier, there is a belief that cycle lanes are mandatory. There's a belief that people on bikes must wear certain types of clothing - in fact in legal cases, compensation is often reduced because a cyclist wasn't wearing high-viz or a helmet and therefore was partly responsible for the injuries (this happened me years ago).
    As a society, we happily accept a lax knowledge and application of the rules of the road if we're driving (to the point that we can kill and get off lightly). However, sit on a saddle and everyone else thinks they know everything about what you should be doing.


  • #1504
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    ...but that is part of the problem.
    Most people don't know the advice and rules and following years of nonsense in the media about cycling there's now a belief that people on bikes are a form of second class road user.
    Like the nonsense that the troll was saying earlier, there is a belief that cycle lanes are mandatory. There's a belief that people on bikes must wear certain types of clothing - in fact in legal cases, compensation is often reduced because a cyclist wasn't wearing high-viz or a helmet and therefore was partly responsible for the injuries (this happened me years ago).
    As a society, we happily accept a lax knowledge and application of the rules of the road if we're driving (to the point that we can kill and get off lightly). However, sit on a saddle and everyone else thinks they know everything about what you should be doing.

    That time I reported a close pass - I was in bike lane that is part of a bus lane in Drumcondra.

    I was overtaking a cyclist in front of me.

    While overtaking, a taxi overtakes the both of us - within the bus lane.

    I reported - and the garda said to me - "and are you allowed overtake another cyclist".....

    Certainly had the effect of stopping me in my tracks.


  • #1505
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Tombo2001 wrote: »
    I reported - and the garda said to me - "and are you allowed overtake another cyclist".....
    FFS! I'd probably just have asked him to let me talk to a real garda :rolleyes:


  • #1506
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Here we go again in the IT...
    Electric scooters and cyclists
    Sir, – I note that the Minister for Transport is keen to introduce legislation with regard to electric scooters. In drawing up such legislation, he might consider making it mandatory for users to wear helmets, high-visibility garments and to display lights back and front.

    While he’s at it, these items should also be made mandatory for cyclists. I see so many of them with no lights, no helmets and nothing to make them visible, especially on dark evenings. – Yours, etc,

    SANDY WAGSTAFF,
    Churchtown,
    Dublin 14.


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  • #1507
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Here we go again in the IT...
    Electric scooters and cyclists

    They need to start pinning these sort of letters with those "Check the facts on..." links that Twitter put on Trumps tweets and nonsense FB posts.


  • #1508
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,804 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Here we go again in the IT...
    Electric scooters and cyclists

    As always, this phrase turns up in the invisibility argument: " I see so many of them"


  • #1509
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,176 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    As always, this phrase turns up in the invisibility argument: " I see so many of them"

    Imagine how many they are missing, my understanding is that there are more scooterists and cyclists per cubic metre than there are microbes in the same space in urban areas in Ireland, on average. You just can't see most of them.


  • #1510
    NamelessPhil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭NamelessPhil


    Or rats, sure you're never more than 3m from a rat. 🙄


  • #1511
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Hang on a sec, Sandy Wagstaff (who has IT form) sees all these cyclists or doesn't see them? Genuinely confused.

    The reality behind these concerned pleas isn't really about enhancing visibility at all, it's about making cycling less convenient and cyclists less common on our roads, just articulated in a caring, supportive dont'cha know way.


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  • #1512
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,212 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that letter is just begging for a reply.
    that doesn't mean i'm offering to volunteer.


  • #1513
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Sandymount Action Group or whatever they're called finally got their bike lane alternative plans implemented

    https://twitter.com/ajlamesa/status/1333474427304960001


  • #1514
    Tombo2001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    that letter is just begging for a reply.
    that doesn't mean i'm offering to volunteer.

    I would question that, just gives it more oxygen.

    I think ignoring it would be more effective at this point.

    Having said that, I think cyclists will long remember the rough ride shown them by the Irish Times.


  • #1515
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I'm at that stage in life where I figure I need to start showing financial support to news media or all we'll be left with is clickbait trash. I refuse to subscribe to the Times because of all the anti-cyclist crap.


  • #1516
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,212 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's a letter, they publish what people send in (within reason). if cyclists refuse to send letters in (and they don't, there have been pro-cycling letters published recently) then expect the balance to tip towards anti-cycling.


  • #1517
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Cork City Cllr Terry Shannon (FF) displays his wonderful knowledge of all things cycling in a speech to the council last night.

    https://twitter.com/conndonovan9/status/1333815689786830848


  • #1518
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Having rolled my eyes reading that drivel I spied this suggested tweet below it ...... ahhhhh all better now :)

    https://twitter.com/CelsoBRA/status/1333701996000518146


  • #1519
    Wildly Boaring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,652 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Having rolled my eyes reading that drivel I spied this suggested tweet below it ...... ahhhhh all better now :)

    https://twitter.com/CelsoBRA/status/1333701996000518146

    My 4 year old be so busy looking at a crow or a van or a window and go for a wobble.

    Grand up the path on the balance bke


  • #1520
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Having rolled my eyes reading that drivel I spied this suggested tweet below it ...... ahhhhh all better now :)

    https://twitter.com/CelsoBRA/status/1333701996000518146

    You were fortunate you looked at the right time. I just opened it and the first comment is a typical moronic one.


  • #1521
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,004 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I see them but I don't see them
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/electric-scooters-and-cyclists-1.4423756


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  • #1522
    wheelo01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭wheelo01


    what_traffic wrote: »
    I see them but I don't see them
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/electric-scooters-and-cyclists-1.4423756

    Janey Mack, keep up :D :cool:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115475839&postcount=1506


  • #1523
    RobertFoster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


    Being visibly invisible is another characteristic of Schrödinger's cyclist. Goes with being too fast yet also too slow.


  • #1524
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    :rolleyes:

    https://twitter.com/TIITraffic/status/1333808875003387906


  • #1525
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,086 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Stark wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    https://twitter.com/TIITraffic/status/1333808875003387906

    WTF is a cyclist/pedestrian? Was he walking with his bike


  • #1526
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    It's also dual carriageway, not motorway with bus lanes and footpaths (albeit **** ones) between J1 and J2 so cyclists/pedestrians have every right to be there.


  • #1527
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,212 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    WTF is a cyclist/pedestrian? Was he walking with his bike
    also, WTF is an M4/N4? two different roads at once?


  • #1528
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,086 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    also, WTF is an M4/N4? two different roads at once?

    We now have Schrödinger's roads to add to Schrödinger's cyclists.

    They both are and are not motorways


  • #1529
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,212 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    We now have Schrödinger's roads to add to Schrödinger's cyclists.

    They both are and are not motorways
    they clarified in a response to my question:
    https://twitter.com/TIITraffic/status/1334084808859906048

    still doesn't explain how it was an 'incident'; and i don't know what 'out bound to in bound' means.


  • #1530
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,086 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    they clarified in a response to my question:
    https://twitter.com/TIITraffic/status/1334084808859906048

    still doesn't explain how it was an 'incident'; and i don't know what 'out bound to in bound' means.

    So a cyclist was on a road he should be on?

    Did he have a pedestrian in tow on a lead in some sort of Mad Max gimp style situation ?


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  • #1531
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Well called out MB :)


  • #1532
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,212 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    they have so far ignored my followup question though.


  • #1533
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Not related to journalism but my 67 year old mother who normally lives in Spain where cycling is far safer and drivers are respectful of cyclists said she had to give out to a "big man" who drove far too close to her in Santry. I'm not really comfortable with her cycling here, I've been out on the bike the last couple of days since the gym opened and I forgot how close they pass you, it's horrible, the Howth road is just one close pass after another and sometimes at really high speeds.


  • #1534
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,804 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    This is from 2002,, and I know Spain has improved a lot, but I'm not sure it is safer than Ireland. Spain, Portugal and Italy traditionally have fairly bad records.

    534945.png


  • #1535
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,804 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    what_traffic wrote: »
    I see them but I don't see them
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/electric-scooters-and-cyclists-1.4423756

    This reply has probably been posted already?
    https://twitter.com/Sinabhfuil/status/1334195814613344262


  • #1536
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,086 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Sandy Wagstaff is greatest IT readers letter name ever. It perfectly encapsulates the image I have in my head


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  • #1537
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,212 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Kerry cycling legend Paudie Fitzgerald dies aged 87
    Kerry cycling legend Paudie Fitzgerald has died aged 87.

    The Lispole man won Ireland's premier cycle race, the Rás Tailteann, in 1956 and was a leading member of the famous Kerry cycling team of the 1950s.

    Fitzgerald was also a member of the Irish team that mounted a dramatic protest at the 1956 Olympic Games in Melbourne.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2020/1203/1182183-kerry-cycling-paudie-fitzgerald/


  • #1538
    sbs2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭sbs2010


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    Kerry cycling legend Paudie Fitzgerald dies aged 87
    Kerry cycling legend Paudie Fitzgerald has died aged 87.

    The Lispole man won Ireland's premier cycle race, the Rás Tailteann, in 1956 and was a leading member of the famous Kerry cycling team of the 1950s.

    Fitzgerald was also a member of the Irish team that mounted a dramatic protest at the 1956 Olympic Games in Melbourne.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2020/1203/1182183-kerry-cycling-paudie-fitzgerald/

    That's nuts about the Olympic thing. Anyone know when did 32 county sports start being recognised or was it different for each sport?


  • #1539
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,484 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Ryan coming up on Newstalk about cycling to school. Turned off, as I'm not sure I can handle Jonathon Healy + Newstalk texters without a few more doses of caffeine.


  • #1540
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,484 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    sbs2010 wrote: »
    That's nuts about the Olympic thing. Anyone know when did 32 county sports start being recognised or was it different for each sport?
    It was different for each sport. It wasn't an Olympic thing, it was a split in Irish Cycling. It's covered in "The Ascent" but more thoroughly in "The Rás" by Tom Daly.

    There was the NCA - 32 County; CRE/ ICF 26 County; NICF 6 County

    btw Northern Athletes do effectively have the choice of Ireland or GB still. You may recall Rory McIlroy getting a load of hassle for being on the fence.


  • #1541
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,212 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    sbs2010 wrote: »
    That's nuts about the Olympic thing. Anyone know when did 32 county sports start being recognised or was it different for each sport?
    if you think that's nuts, i assume you haven't heard about the munich olympics?
    you're in for a treat:

    https://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/2020/0716/1153660-green-and-gold/


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  • #1542
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,023 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Pretty positive stuff there.
    Teacher who cycles to school really enthusiastic, and highlighted the horrible congested traffic crap at school gates.
    https://www.newstalk.com/news/principals-warn-safe-cycle-paths-needed-to-avoid-tragedy-on-roads-1116982


  • #1543
    cletus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,051 ✭✭✭cletus


    https://news.sky.com/story/five-cyclists-on-retirement-ride-die-after-truck-hit-car-following-them-in-nevada-12157584

    RIP


  • #1544
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,212 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Car restrictions proposed for Sandymount to accommodate new cycle way
    Car restrictions, including traffic barriers, reduced parking, and one-way systems, are proposed for Dublin’s Sandymount village as mitigation measures for the new Strand Road cycle path which is due to come into operation in February.

    Dublin City Council has devised plans for the Dublin 4 village to guard against its streets becoming rat runs for motorists once the two-way Strand Road cycle route, which limits traffic on the coastal road to one lane, opens.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/car-restrictions-proposed-for-sandymount-to-accommodate-new-cycle-way-1.4435727?mode=amp


  • #1545
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,484 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    Car restrictions proposed for Sandymount to accommodate new cycle way
    Car restrictions, including traffic barriers, reduced parking, and one-way systems, are proposed for Dublin’s Sandymount village as mitigation measures for the new Strand Road cycle path which is due to come into operation in February.
    Just about to ring the bell and throw my ninja star - coming up now on Pat Kenny.


  • #1546
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,240 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    I literally walked into the office and Kenny was on "Car restrictions for ....to allow access for bikes", or something like that was how he framed it. Straight over to 4FM to a Robbie Williams song, still more palatable.


  • #1547
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,212 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    a comment from a friend who lives in sandymount:
    "Interesting. The road they propose blocking off is a very quiet residential one, rarely used by traffic going through Sandymount (the map makes it look more central than it is). But it is a traffic nightmare every morning and afternoon during the school year, when loads of locals drive their daughters to the national school at one end of it ��. So perhaps the residents were playing a longer game..."


  • #1548
    check_six
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I literally walked into the office and Kenny was on "Car restrictions for ....to allow access for bikes", or something like that was how he framed it. Straight over to 4FM to a Robbie Williams song, still more palatable.

    He had Mannix Flynn on giving out that 3000 responses to a public consultation was not in any way representative of, well, just him essentially. Legal action was his solution. Mad stuff!


  • #1549
    Type 17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    If Strand Road is outbound only for motor traffic, and there is no turn right for inbound Merrion Rd traffic at Merrion Gates, Sidney Parade, or Sandymount Avenue, expect Serpentine Ave/Tritonville Road to be overrun with traffic - and good luck to anyone queueing to turn right at Church Avenue, to get to the East Link/Tom Clarke bridge.


  • #1550
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,484 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Really liked how comparing parallel cycle lanes in a cycle network to parallel roads in the road network was Cuffe expecting people to go over fields to get to their house by Kenny!


  • #1551
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I can't listen to PK any more for fear one of my eyes will burst out of its socket but I just don't get how a man his age who is so wealthy would be against more cycling in the city? What is he worried about? I thought it was supposed to appeal to middle class southsiders, something that always seems to be peddled in the media? My parents would be a similar age to Pat and are all for more cycling and still use their bikes.


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