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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

magicbastarder

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CramCycle

tomasrojo wrote: »

As always, this phrase turns up in the invisibility argument: " I see so many of them"

Imagine how many they are missing, my understanding is that there are more scooterists and cyclists per cubic metre than there are microbes in the same space in urban areas in Ireland, on average. You just can't see most of them.

NamelessPhil

Or rats, sure you're never more than 3m from a rat. ðŸ™„

MojoMaker

Hang on a sec, Sandy Wagstaff (who has IT form) sees all these cyclists or doesn't see them? Genuinely confused.

The reality behind these concerned pleas isn't really about enhancing visibility at all, it's about making cycling less convenient and cyclists less common on our roads, just articulated in a caring, supportive dont'cha know way.

magicbastarder

that letter is just begging for a reply.
that doesn't mean i'm offering to volunteer.

Thelonious Monk

Sandymount Action Group or whatever they're called finally got their bike lane alternative plans implemented

https://twitter.com/ajlamesa/status/1333474427304960001

Tombo2001

magicbastarder wrote: »

that letter is just begging for a reply.
that doesn't mean i'm offering to volunteer.

I would question that, just gives it more oxygen.

I think ignoring it would be more effective at this point.

Having said that, I think cyclists will long remember the rough ride shown them by the Irish Times.

Stark

I'm at that stage in life where I figure I need to start showing financial support to news media or all we'll be left with is clickbait trash. I refuse to subscribe to the Times because of all the anti-cyclist crap.

magicbastarder

it's a letter, they publish what people send in (within reason). if cyclists refuse to send letters in (and they don't, there have been pro-cycling letters published recently) then expect the balance to tip towards anti-cycling.

Seth Brundle

Cork City Cllr Terry Shannon (FF) displays his wonderful knowledge of all things cycling in a speech to the council last night.

https://twitter.com/conndonovan9/status/1333815689786830848

[Deleted User]

Having rolled my eyes reading that drivel I spied this suggested tweet below it ...... ahhhhh all better now

https://twitter.com/CelsoBRA/status/1333701996000518146

Wildly Boaring

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Having rolled my eyes reading that drivel I spied this suggested tweet below it ...... ahhhhh all better now

https://twitter.com/CelsoBRA/status/1333701996000518146

My 4 year old be so busy looking at a crow or a van or a window and go for a wobble.

Grand up the path on the balance bke

Stark

Deleted User wrote: »

Having rolled my eyes reading that drivel I spied this suggested tweet below it ...... ahhhhh all better now

https://twitter.com/CelsoBRA/status/1333701996000518146

You were fortunate you looked at the right time. I just opened it and the first comment is a typical moronic one.

what_traffic

I see them but I don't see them
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/electric-scooters-and-cyclists-1.4423756

wheelo01

what_traffic wrote: »

I see them but I don't see them
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/electric-scooters-and-cyclists-1.4423756

Janey Mack, keep up

:cool:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115475839&postcount=1506

RobertFoster

Being visibly invisible is another characteristic of Schrödinger's cyclist. Goes with being too fast yet also too slow.

Stark

:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/TIITraffic/status/1333808875003387906

breezy1985

Stark wrote: »

:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/TIITraffic/status/1333808875003387906

WTF is a cyclist/pedestrian? Was he walking with his bike

Stark

It's also dual carriageway, not motorway with bus lanes and footpaths (albeit **** ones) between J1 and J2 so cyclists/pedestrians have every right to be there.

magicbastarder

breezy1985 wrote: »

WTF is a cyclist/pedestrian? Was he walking with his bike

also, WTF is an M4/N4? two different roads at once?

breezy1985

magicbastarder wrote: »

also, WTF is an M4/N4? two different roads at once?

We now have Schrödinger's roads to add to Schrödinger's cyclists.

They both are and are not motorways

magicbastarder

breezy1985 wrote: »

We now have Schrödinger's roads to add to Schrödinger's cyclists.

They both are and are not motorways

they clarified in a response to my question:
https://twitter.com/TIITraffic/status/1334084808859906048

still doesn't explain how it was an 'incident'; and i don't know what 'out bound to in bound' means.

breezy1985

magicbastarder wrote: »

they clarified in a response to my question:
https://twitter.com/TIITraffic/status/1334084808859906048

still doesn't explain how it was an 'incident'; and i don't know what 'out bound to in bound' means.

So a cyclist was on a road he should be on?

Did he have a pedestrian in tow on a lead in some sort of Mad Max gimp style situation ?

MojoMaker

Well called out MB

magicbastarder

they have so far ignored my followup question though.

Thelonious Monk

Not related to journalism but my 67 year old mother who normally lives in Spain where cycling is far safer and drivers are respectful of cyclists said she had to give out to a "big man" who drove far too close to her in Santry. I'm not really comfortable with her cycling here, I've been out on the bike the last couple of days since the gym opened and I forgot how close they pass you, it's horrible, the Howth road is just one close pass after another and sometimes at really high speeds.

tomasrojo

This is from 2002,, and I know Spain has improved a lot, but I'm not sure it is safer than Ireland. Spain, Portugal and Italy traditionally have fairly bad records.

tomasrojo

what_traffic wrote: »

I see them but I don't see them
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/electric-scooters-and-cyclists-1.4423756

This reply has probably been posted already?
https://twitter.com/Sinabhfuil/status/1334195814613344262

breezy1985

Sandy Wagstaff is greatest IT readers letter name ever. It perfectly encapsulates the image I have in my head

magicbastarder

Kerry cycling legend Paudie Fitzgerald dies aged 87
Kerry cycling legend Paudie Fitzgerald has died aged 87.

The Lispole man won Ireland's premier cycle race, the Rás Tailteann, in 1956 and was a leading member of the famous Kerry cycling team of the 1950s.

Fitzgerald was also a member of the Irish team that mounted a dramatic protest at the 1956 Olympic Games in Melbourne.
https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2020/1203/1182183-kerry-cycling-paudie-fitzgerald/

sbs2010

magicbastarder wrote: »

Kerry cycling legend Paudie Fitzgerald dies aged 87
Kerry cycling legend Paudie Fitzgerald has died aged 87.

The Lispole man won Ireland's premier cycle race, the Rás Tailteann, in 1956 and was a leading member of the famous Kerry cycling team of the 1950s.

Fitzgerald was also a member of the Irish team that mounted a dramatic protest at the 1956 Olympic Games in Melbourne.
https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2020/1203/1182183-kerry-cycling-paudie-fitzgerald/

That's nuts about the Olympic thing. Anyone know when did 32 county sports start being recognised or was it different for each sport?