Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

seligehgit · 08-05-2020 11:03pm

BandMember wrote: »

Could anyone post the full list of the top 100 plus the lists for each grade, please?

Only the top 20 junior footballers were published this week.

1. Oisin Mullin
2. James Carr
3. Justin Healy
4. Michael Forde
5. Eddie Doran
6. Darragh Keaveney
7. Cathal Horan
8. Brendan Carr
9. Jarlath Mullin
10. Jack Carney
11. Tomas Fahey
12. Stephen Rochford
13. Kevin Dolan
14. Micheal Hession
15. Eoin Mc Grath
16. Michael Mc Garry
17. Adam Barrett
18. Matthew Keady
19. Conor Gilvarry
20. James Gallagher

Next week in the Mayo News the top intermediate footballers will be published.

Over the following fortnight the top 50 senior footballers will be published.

Latest Mayo News Podcast is very enjoyable.Central theme is the wonderful work that is carried out by our front line health care workers.Same is exemplified by interviews with Mayo ladies footballer Ciara Mc Manamon and Tom Brett.The hardback book he co authored with the great Sean Rice " We are Mayo " appears to be a steal even at the princely retail price of 30 euro.The mentioned front cover features a beautiful vintage Mayo jersey.

Billy Joe Padden as always is informative,on this occasion speaking re a road map for a return to action for players.

https://www.mayonews.ie/sports/listen/35292-audio-football-podcast-14-football-interrupted-part-four?fbclid=IwAR2uxPJru_nInzB5isBB3DNd-nTL8-7gnjq8UTdWroQzi1Bi7GpdAhsm1j8

PARlance · 09-05-2020 12:34am

irishgeo wrote: »

if he lost his business where he going to get the money baord.

The last thing the county board want is croke park in charge of the finances, as the expenses gravy train might be under threat.

I'm not overly familiar (outside of his involvement with Mayo GAA) with him or his business but I thought he was an Investment Manager/Firm... in that, he takes people's millions and invests it, with him taking % fee of their investment.

If that is the case, then he could still be a very wealthy man, with no business. i.e People just wanted to withdraw their money and he closed down the fund, no real loss to him other than the fee he charged his investors.

km79 · 10-05-2020 11:04pm

http://twitter.com/ExaminerSport/status/1259603976590327814

League as good as cancelled

RedDevil55 · 10-05-2020 11:35pm

Who knows... If the league can't be played next year either, we'll still be reigning champions going into 2022

yop · 11-05-2020 11:13am

RedDevil55 wrote: »

Who knows... If the league can't be played next year either, we'll still be reigning champions going into 2022

Back to back league champions.

seligehgit · 13-05-2020 7:57pm

Top 30 intermediate footballers in 2020 published in the Mayo News.Lots of quality footballers Padraig Prendergast,Barry Moran ( was'nt aware he played that much football last year ) ,Simon Cloherty,Padraig O Malley,Matthew Flanagan,Eamon Philips and Cathal Carolan.There are ample others.

Quelle surprise Keith Higgins tops the poll.

2. Jason Doherty
3. Darren Coen
4. Stephen Coen
5. Jordan Flynn
6. Conor Loftus
7. Adam Gallagher
8. Kevin Gibbons
9. Evan O Brien
10. Eoghan Collins

Just outside the top 10 are Fionan Duffy,Jack Coyne.

FrPhelimYoung · 13-05-2020 9:59pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Top 30 intermediate footballers in 2020 published in the Mayo News.Lots of quality footballers Padraig Prendergast,Barry Moran ( was'nt aware he played that much football last year ) ,Simon Cloherty,Padraig O Malley,Matthew Flanagan,Eamon Philips and Cathal Carolan.There are ample others.

Quelle surprise Keith Higgins tops the poll.

2. Jason Doherty
3. Darren Coen
4. Stephen Coen
5. Jordan Flynn
6. Conor Loftus
7. Adam Gallagher
8. Kevin Gibbons
9. Evan O Brien
10. Eoghan Collins

Just outside the top 10 are Fionan Duffy,Jack Coyne.

I bought the Mayo News this week to take a look at this. Normally wouldn’t be a regular reader. It felt more like a poll of the “ 30 Best Known Intermediate Footballers”.

seligehgit · 13-05-2020 10:32pm

FrPhelimYoung wrote: »

I bought the Mayo News this week to take a look at this. Normally wouldn’t be a regular reader. It felt more like a poll of the “ 30 Best Known Intermediate Footballers”.

There's usually a strong correlation between the quality of a footballer and their recognition vis a vis the general public

What changes would you make to the rankings?

6o9fv7jpreb180 · 14-05-2020 12:09am

Its hard to get a definitive list if the top 30 players. Very subjective and a lot of matches wouldnt have reporters. From playing with him, James Moran from Burrishoole should be there... best intermediate midfielder IMO. Was on Conor loftus in championship this year and only one winner there. Burrish got cleaned out by ballyhaunis after he got a black card in semi. But I'm sure every club has someone the think should be in there.

seligehgit · 14-05-2020 8:10am

Total respect for somebody who has great knowledge of that grade.I wouldn't be overly familiar with it.

Of course a few of The Neale lads miss out after winning the intermediate championship.

The judges are all respected current and former players/managers.

It must be a typo nonetheless as Simon Cloherty is listed amongst the judges.

The senior ranking should be fascinating,it will be quite the accolade to be named the best senior club footballer.

Individual players may translate differently from inter county level performance wise.

PARlance · 15-05-2020 7:02pm

seligehgit wrote: »

The senior ranking should be fascinating,it will be quite the accolade to be named the best senior club footballer.

Individual players may translate differently from inter county level performance wise.

Will it though... or will it just be a ranking of the senior county players who, let's face it, are part time club players with the way things have gone.

A much more interesting list, for me anyway, would have been the best of the rest, i.e those who haven't played National League or Championship for Mayo in the last few years.

Martina1991 · 16-05-2020 8:59pm

seligehgit wrote:

The judges are all respected current and former players/managers.

It must be a typo nonetheless as Simon Cloherty is listed amongst the judges.

The senior ranking should be fascinating,it will be quite the accolade to be named the best senior club footballer.

Interesting that Simon Cloherty, Cathal Carolan, Adam Gallagher and Adrian Leonard made the top 30 despite being judges

No surprise the county lads rose to the top.

I predict a top 5 of
1. Diarmaid O C
2. Paddy D
3. Kevin Mc
4. Aidan
5. Colm B

seligehgit · 16-05-2020 10:16pm

For all you sadists amongst the Mayo GAA fraternity you've a chance you relive the torture that was the 2013 All Ireland senior football final tomorrow.

Mayo v Dublin @ 14.40

TG4

mayo.mick · 16-05-2020 10:37pm

seligehgit wrote: »

For all you sadists amongst the Mayo GAA fraternity you've a chance you relive the torture that was the 2013 All Ireland senior football final tomorrow.

Mayo v Dublin @ 14.40

TG4

FFS, as if things arn't hard enough with this lockdown

RedDevil55 · 16-05-2020 11:53pm

Martina1991 wrote: »

Interesting that Simon Cloherty, Cathal Carolan, Adam Gallagher and Adrian Leonard made the top 30 despite being judges
No surprise the county lads rose to the top.

I predict a top 5 of
1. Diarmaid O C
2. Paddy D
3. Kevin Mc
4. Aidan
5. Colm B

Think you're spot on with Diarmuid 1 and Paddy 2 but not sure after that. Looking back at the last few championships I'd have Jason Gibbons and Neil Douglas in the top 5.

flasher0030 · 17-05-2020 10:01am

Has Simon Cloherty ever played county level?

seligehgit · 17-05-2020 10:12am

flasher0030 wrote: »

Has Simon Cloherty ever played county level?

He played at junior level.I used to see him play for Parke Keelogues many moons ago.A very skillful footballer with a lovely ciotog.Deceptively strong in spite of a relatively slight build.

https://mayogaablog.com/?p=10145

seligehgit · 17-05-2020 10:30am

RedDevil55 wrote: »

Think you're spot on with Diarmuid 1 and Paddy 2 but not sure after that. Looking back at the last few championships I'd have Jason Gibbons and Neil Douglas in the top 5.

Well said.I thought Jason Gibbons was the standout club footballer last year,he's been really good at club level for many a year now.It would not surprise me if he upsets the apple cart vis a vis Diarmuid and Paddy who are certainly top 3.

Neil Douglas has to be in the top 5.

I think Kevin Mc would be deserving of top 5 as year on year he performs for Knockmore as they progress deeper into the championship.

Even Aidan O Shea and Colm Boyle's biggest fans I would not imagine believe they are in the top 5.Although Boyler did enjoy a vintage year in 2019.

Breaffy have not really done enough in recent years at club level.Would Andy Moran come into consideration?Padraig O Hora has consistently performed well for the Stephenites any time I've seen them live.

Gary Loftus,Brian Murphy,Michael Plunkett,Bryan Walsh and young Ciaran Gavin from the Tubber impressed in recent years.Tenacious backs the former 2.

David Drake consistently performs for Ballagh,Owen Jordan,Ryan Lynch and young Kuba Callaghan.

Newly promoted The Neale's Tommy Conroy will surely feature on the list.

Green&Red · 17-05-2020 10:35am

Andy would have to be there, he's carried a poor enough Ballaghdereen team the last few years

seligehgit · 18-05-2020 8:39am

Excellent article by Micheal Foley.

There's an inherent decency in David Brady,much of what he outlines was previously discussed on OTB and Laochra Gael.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/im-listening-to-people-talk-about-good-deeds-its-inspiring-says-david-brady-3nfc908v5

I know others at times can't take his at times slapstick punditry seriously but I enjoy him.TBF David Brady does not take himself too seriously,a great quality.Kudos to him for his efforts in these most trying of times.

seligehgit · 23-05-2020 3:02pm

Latest podcast discussing the player rankings at junior,intermediate and 50-25 thus far at senior club level.

Features an interview with Keith Higgins.Best of luck to him if he does embark on a career change post his one year masters.

https://themayonews.podomatic.com/enclosure/2020-05-22T01_36_06-07_00.mp3

seligehgit · 26-05-2020 5:15pm

Top 25 club footballers

1. Cillian O Connor
2. Paddy Durcan
3. Andy Moran
4. Diarmuid O Connor
5. Aidan O Shea
6. Neil Douglas
7. Jason Gibbons
8. Padraig O Hora
9. Kevin Mc Loughlin
10. Fergal Boland
11. Colm Boyle
12. Michael Plunkett
13. David Clarke
14. Matthew Ruane
15. Ryan O Donoghue
16. Brendan Harrison
17. Tommy Conroy
18. David Drake
19. Lee Keegan
20. Shairoze Akram
21. Rory Byrne
22. Chris Barrett
23. Brian Reape
24. James Mc Cormack
25. Shane Nally

Loafing Oaf · 26-05-2020 5:24pm

Indo are picking their top 20 footballers and hurlers of the last 50 years for each county, Connacht lists out on Thursday.
I reckon at least 7 or 8 of the above should feature, would say the bulk will have played at least part of their careers this century.

seligehgit · 26-05-2020 5:31pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Indo are picking their top 20 footballers and hurlers of the last 50 years for each county, Connacht lists out on Thursday.
I reckon at least 7 or 8 of the above should feature, would say the bulk will have played at least part of their careers this century.

Looks like I'm buying the Indo on Thursday.:)

km79 · 26-05-2020 5:38pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Top 25 club footballers

1. Cillian O Connor
2. Paddy Durcan
3. Andy Moran
4. Diarmuid O Connor
5. Aidan O Shea
6. Neil Douglas
7. Jason Gibbons
8. Padraig O Hora
9. Kevin Mc Loughlin
10. Fergal Boland
11. Colm Boyle
12. Michael Plunkett
13. David Clarke
14. Matthew Ruane
15. Ryan O Donoghue
16. Brendan Harrison
17. Tommy Conroy
18. David Drake
19. Lee Keegan
20. Shairoze Akram
21. Rory Byrne
22. Chris Barrett
23. Brian Reape
24. James Mc Cormack
25. Shane Nally

Interesting to see Rory Byrne so high on the list

Loafing Oaf · 26-05-2020 5:47pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Looks like I'm buying the Indo on Thursday.:)

I'd say someone will provide the names

wirelessdude01 · 26-05-2020 6:02pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Top 25 club footballers

1. Cillian O Connor
2. Paddy Durcan
3. Andy Moran
4. Diarmuid O Connor
5. Aidan O Shea
6. Neil Douglas
7. Jason Gibbons
8. Padraig O Hora
9. Kevin Mc Loughlin
10. Fergal Boland
11. Colm Boyle
12. Michael Plunkett
13. David Clarke
14. Matthew Ruane
15. Ryan O Donoghue
16. Brendan Harrison
17. Tommy Conroy
18. David Drake
19. Lee Keegan
20. Shairoze Akram
21. Rory Byrne
22. Chris Barrett
23. Brian Reape
24. James Mc Cormack
25. Shane Nally

Shows the disconnect between club and county. Players who are nailed on county players not making that list and then players such as Reape, Drake and Nally who despite being around the panel never quite grabbed the chance for whatever reason. Think it highlights that being a good club player doesn't always translate.to the inter county scene. Gibbons is the prime example of that.

seligehgit · 26-05-2020 6:10pm

Not surprised Padraig O Hora is in the top 10.

Always impresses me whenever I've seen him in club action.

Well worthy of his introduction into the senior panel this year.

seligehgit · 26-05-2020 6:14pm

km79 wrote: »

Interesting to see Rory Byrne so high on the list

Oft thought he was worthy of greater opportunities to be in the mix for the number one jersey when David Clarke finally hangs up his boots.

Patrick O Malley is now the custodian for Roscommon and I'm unsure how Matthew Flanagan is faring out.

Audioslaven · 26-05-2020 11:53pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Not surprised Padraig O Hora is in the top 10.

Always impresses me whenever I've seen him in club action.

Well worthy of his introduction into the senior panel this year.

If he delivers with the attitude he showed on the nut job programme then I can't wait to see what he does.

km79 · 27-05-2020 12:04am

Audioslaven wrote: »

If he delivers with the attitude he showed on the nut job programme then I can't wait to see what he does.

From the little bit we have seen off him at inter county level I fear he is too raw and loose in the tackle

flasher0030 · 27-05-2020 9:50am

km79 wrote: »

From the little bit we have seen off him at inter county level I fear he is too raw and loose in the tackle

Really?? Surely himself and Oisin Mullin were the 2 bright sparks for us in what was otherwise a dour league campaign. It's only his first season, I think. His first main season anyway.

I think you may be mixing up raw for determination and aggression; which I think is a great attribute. The tackling skills can be worked on over time with training.

blinding · 27-05-2020 10:38am

km79 wrote: »

From the little bit we have seen off him at inter county level I fear he is too raw and loose in the tackle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_rHrLHIeyI&frags=pl%2Cwn

wirelessdude01 · 27-05-2020 10:45am

km79 wrote: »

From the little bit we have seen off him at inter county level I fear he is too raw and loose in the tackle

I actually agree with this assessment. Donie would have been able to coach that out of it. Our tackle discipline went downhill as the season progressed last year.

For O'Hora I put the rawness and looseness in the tackle down to the fact that pretty much until last year he kinda dipped in and out of football. He didn't even play with the Stephenites for the early stages of the league or championship in 2-019.

km79 · 27-05-2020 10:58am

flasher0030 wrote: »

Really?? Surely himself and Oisin Mullin were the 2 bright sparks for us in what was otherwise a dour league campaign. It's only his first season, I think. His first main season anyway.

I think you may be mixing up raw for determination and aggression; which I think is a great attribute. The tackling skills can be worked on over time with training.

The first thing to say is the sample size is very small for him at county level . So I hope and would love to be very wrong
If he was younger and had a different intercounty coach I’d be more optimistic
But he is 27 years old and our tackle ing in he real has gone down hill since Buckley left

O Hora is VERY loose in the tackle at that level. Lot of head high tackles. And that’s at league not championship pace
I’d have serious doubts that can be coaches out of him at this stage

Loafing Oaf · 27-05-2020 4:49pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Indo are picking their top 20 footballers and hurlers of the last 50 years for each county, Connacht lists out on Thursday.
I reckon at least 7 or 8 of the above should feature, would say the bulk will have played at least part of their careers this century.

Anyone hazard a guess at this before it appears.

Here's my tips for the top 10

1. Lee Keegan
2. Ciaran MacDonald
3. Cillian O'Connor
4. Aidan O'Shea
5. James Nallen
6. Colm Boyle
7. Dermot Flanagan
8. Keith Higgins
9. Willie Joe Padden
10. Andy Moran

seligehgit · 27-05-2020 4:56pm

km79 wrote: »

The first thing to say is the sample size is very small for him at county level . So I hope and would love to be very wrong
If he was younger and had a different intercounty coach I’d be more optimistic
But he is 27 years old and our tackle ing in he real has gone down hill since Buckley left

O Hora is VERY loose in the tackle at that level. Lot of head high tackles. And that’s at league not championship pace
I’d have serious doubts that can be coaches out of him at this stage

Our tackling is an area of great concern since Donie Buckley departed and I think the fact that Padraig O Hora is not the paciest of footballers is a significant contributory factor to his looseness in the tackle.

Hopefully with some improvement in our tackling as a collective I'd certainly be prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt at this stage in the infancy of his inter county career in spite of his age.

Buckley has been a serious loss to the inter county set up.

muddle84 · 27-05-2020 5:11pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Anyone hazard a guess at this before it appears.

Here's my tips for the top 10

1. Lee Keegan
2. Ciaran MacDonald
3. Cillian O'Connor
4. Aidan O'Shea
5. James Nallen
6. Colm Boyle
7. Dermot Flanagan
8. Keith Higgins
9. Willie Joe Padden
10. Andy Moran

Hard to argue with the bulk of that, I would have Andy alot higher up the ranking and Keegan a little further down. I would also have Liam McHale in place of Flanagan. I can't listen to him or anything but on the pitch he is one of the best midfielders to ever play for us (imo)

I also think Aidan should be higher up the ranking than Cillian.

seligehgit · 27-05-2020 5:14pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Anyone hazard a guess at this before it appears.

Here's my tips for the top 10

1. Lee Keegan
2. Ciaran MacDonald
3. Cillian O'Connor
4. Aidan O'Shea
5. James Nallen
6. Colm Boyle
7. Dermot Flanagan
8. Keith Higgins
9. Willie Joe Padden
10. Andy Moran

Excellent list

Can't off the top of my head think of any worthy of inclusion but shall ponder same.

Can't argue with the top 2 but I'd have Zippy much higher,ditto Andy Moran.

Keith Higgins top 3 IMO.

seligehgit · 27-05-2020 5:16pm

muddle84 wrote: »

Hard to argue with the bulk of that, I would have Andy alot higher up the ranking and Keegan a little further down. I would also have Liam McHale in place of Flanagan. I can't listen to him or anything but on the pitch he is one of the best midfielders to ever play for us (imo)

I also think Aidan should be higher up the ranking than Cillian.

Liam has to be worthy of the top 10.He'd be in before Willie Joe too.

I'd agree Aidan should be higher than Cillian.

Audioslaven · 27-05-2020 10:21pm

km79 wrote: »

The first thing to say is the sample size is very small for him at county level . So I hope and would love to be very wrong
If he was younger and had a different intercounty coach I’d be more optimistic
But he is 27 years old and our tackle ing in he real has gone down hill since Buckley left

O Hora is VERY loose in the tackle at that level. Lot of head high tackles. And that’s at league not championship pace
I’d have serious doubts that can be coaches out of him at this stage

You could argue Vaughan was very loose as well when he came in but he was a serious player for us. It depends really where he is played and if he was on the half back line then he does not need to be as tight as in the corner. I wasn't aware he was 27 which would lead the question why he didn't make it before now. I thought he was around 23 or so.

wirelessdude01 · 27-05-2020 10:24pm

Audioslaven wrote: »

You could argue Vaughan was very loose as well when he came in but he was a serious player for us. It depends really where he is played and if he was on the half back line then he does not need to be as tight as in the corner. I wasn't aware he was 27 which would lead the question why he didn't make it before now. I thought he was around 23 or so.

I already said earlier that O'Hora has dipped in and out of football. Dabbled with MMA for a short while. He is very much a free spirit.

Audioslaven · 27-05-2020 11:30pm

seligehgit wrote: »

Excellent list

Can't off the top of my head think of any worthy of inclusion but shall ponder same.

Can't argue with the top 2 but I'd have Zippy much higher,ditto Andy Moran.

Keith Higgins top 3 IMO.

TJ Kilgallon was another fine footballer who could easily move in.

Loafing Oaf · 27-05-2020 11:39pm

Audioslaven wrote: »

TJ Kilgallon was another fine footballer who could easily move in.

Full list is 20 so I'd imagine all the names mentioned here will get in

seligehgit · 27-05-2020 11:45pm

Audioslaven wrote: »

TJ Kilgallon was another fine footballer who could easily move in.

Agreed.

He wouldn't make my top 10 though.:)

Loafing Oaf · 28-05-2020 12:07pm

Actual top 10:
Keegan, McHale, Higgins, Nallen, Moran, MacDonald, Boyle, Clarke, Padden, O'Shea

Audioslaven · 28-05-2020 11:03pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Actual top 10:
Keegan, McHale, Higgins, Nallen, Moran, MacDonald, Boyle, Clarke, Padden, O'Shea

Ya a good list although I am not totally sold on Padden. I think of some other guys like Kevin Cahill who was probably the best full back we have had in a long time, another Kenneth Mortimer who was excellent in the corner. One guy who had the raw talent but never got into the Mayo set up till later on was Kevin O'Neill. I can never understand why he never made serious in roads on the county scene as he had loads of talent.

I think overall Keegan and McDonald are the finest footballers to have worn the jersey.

blinding · 29-05-2020 7:00am

Audioslaven wrote: »

Ya a good list although I am not totally sold on Padden. I think of some other guys like Kevin Cahill who was probably the best full back we have had in a long time, another Kenneth Mortimer who was excellent in the corner. One guy who had the raw talent but never got into the Mayo set up till later on was Kevin O'Neill. I can never understand why he never made serious in roads on the county scene as he had loads of talent.

I think overall Keegan and McDonald are the finest footballers to have worn the jersey.

Kevin O’Neill had a bad knee injury which he never came back as good as he was (physically fit wise )

What a Player in his Hayday ! ! !

seligehgit · 29-05-2020 8:13am

Audioslaven wrote: »

Ya a good list although I am not totally sold on Padden. I think of some other guys like Kevin Cahill who was probably the best full back we have had in a long time, another Kenneth Mortimer who was excellent in the corner. One guy who had the raw talent but never got into the Mayo set up till later on was Kevin O'Neill. I can never understand why he never made serious in roads on the county scene as he had loads of talent.

I think overall Keegan and McDonald are the finest footballers to have worn the jersey.

Totally agree Audioslaven.

Keegan would be top dog for me with Ciaran Mc numero deux.

Kenneth Mortimer would be a top 10 pick for me instead of Willie Joe.The finest corner back in the country when in his pomp.

TBF to Kevin O Neill who was a very gifted ciotog injuries I believe hindered his career.I am not sure managers had the necessary faith in him.

Did'nt he head off to the US at one stage?

For such a troubled position historically for Mayo the Ballagh man Kevin Cahill was probably the finest full back we had in modern times.

statto25 · 29-05-2020 8:18am

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Actual top 10:
Keegan, McHale, Higgins, Nallen, Moran, MacDonald, Boyle, Clarke, Padden, O'Shea

Maybe I'm out of touch but surprised to see Conor Mortimer not in there. He shot the lights out for consecutive years in the 2000s and was an excellent forward.

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