Newstalk: 'Lunchtime Live' with Andrea Gilligan

TomTomTim · 03-08-2020 3:40pm

meeeeh wrote: »

You say it's not about gender and then use term 'females' and rabit on about gender... Btw I'm sure women in your life are delighted to be called females. It puts them on equal footing with dogs.

I'm seriously confused by this. Is females now an offensive term?

TomTomTim · 03-08-2020 3:42pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I suspect it sometimes is, yeah Butters.

Weren't you the poster who thought the thread about good looking female politicians was sexist?

ButtersSuki · 03-08-2020 3:55pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I suspect it sometimes is, yeah Butters.

Your opinion perhaps, but not one I concur with. I don’t judge her on her sex, I judge her on her output.

drunkmonkey · 03-08-2020 3:56pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

Weren't you the poster who thought the thread about good looking female politicians was sexist?

There hasn't been a sexy female politican since the shinner done a basic instinct on the late late show.
Ciara has a bit of an auroa about here though, sexy kinda white coat with a soothing voice thing going on.

03-08-2020 6:38pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

Weren't you the poster who thought the thread about good looking female politicians was sexist?

Jesus that's going back a bit now man.

Are you Eamon Andrews and is this "This Is Your Life"?

I think a lot of the criticism of Ciara Kelly is reasonable. I think a vocal minority of it is mostly predicated on sexism. If you look very carefully at the most trending criticisms, the crux is that she's too uppity, attention-seeking, etc. She's constantly accused of trying to court notoriety in a way that almost no male broadcaster is. There's a subtext that she should know her place.

That's just a personal view, I want to clarify. I'm not telling anyone how they should or shouldn't think or speak about her, that's none of my business
/Kermit

Mav11 · 03-08-2020 6:42pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

I'm seriously confused by this. Is females now an offensive term?

Wow x.3. The “F” word............

ButtersSuki · 03-08-2020 7:01pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Jesus that's going back a bit now man.

Are you Eamon Andrews and is this "This Is Your Life"?

I think a lot of the criticism of Ciara Kelly is reasonable. I think a vocal minority of it is mostly predicated on sexism. If you look very carefully at the most trending criticisms, the crux is that she's too uppity, attention-seeking, etc. She's constantly accused of trying to court notoriety in a way that almost no male broadcaster is. There's a subtext that she should know her place.

That's just a personal view, I want to clarify. I'm not telling anyone how they should or shouldn't think or speak about her, that's none of my business
/Kermit

Joseph Duffy is constantly accused of attempting to portray himself as being a salt of the earth working class man, when in fact, as Raymond D’Arcy famously pointed out to him on his TV show he’s “not working class”. Equally he’s called out when he tries to be something he’s not, like when he bluffs his way through a topic he clearly doesn’t actually have any knowledge of or is reading from Wikipedia as he regularly does. Would you say those are because he’s a man? No. So why are any similar criticisms of Kelly labeled as being because she’s a woman?

03-08-2020 7:10pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Joseph Duffy is constantly accused of attempting to portray himself as being a salt of the earth working class man, when in fact, as Raymond D’Arcy famously pointed out to him on his TV show he’s “not working class”. Equally he’s called out when he tries to be something he’s not, like when he bluffs his way through a topic he clearly doesn’t actually have any knowledge of or is reading from Wikipedia as he regularly does. Would you say those are because he’s a man? No. So why are any similar criticisms of Kelly labeled as being because she’s a woman?

I don't really have strong feelings on this, either way, Butters. But what you're referring to in the case of Duffy is an example of different — I would say, valid — criticisms. They are totally different in nature, they refer to an insincerity on his part, pretending to be the working class hero that he plainly is not.

Insincerity is one of the few things that Ciara Kelly is never accused of. Like her or loathe her, you can be fairly confident that she says what she thinks (sometimes without thinking at all). I like this about her, but it clearly grates on a few listeners. Just read back over some of the comments here – it's rare that you'll see her accused of pandering to her audience or being insincere, we usually see the more typical sexist tropes eg. She's too mouthy or she talks too much, interrupts, and seeks attention.

Can you think of any other broadcaster who is regularly accused of attention-seeking? I can't. And anyway, I'd have thought that's part of the job description.

ButtersSuki · 03-08-2020 7:22pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't really have strong feelings on this, either way, Butters. But what you're referring to in the case of Duffy is an example of different — I would say, valid — criticisms. They are totally different in nature, they refer to an insincerity on his part, pretending to be the working class hero that he plainly is not.

Insincerity is one of the few things that Ciara Kelly is never accused of. Like her or loathe her, you can be fairly confident that she says what she thinks (sometimes without thinking at all). I like this about her, but it clearly grates on a few listeners. Just read back over some of the comments here – it's rare that you'll see her accused of pandering to her audience or being insincere, we usually see the more typical sexist tropes eg. She's too mouthy or she talks too much, interrupts, and seeks attention.

Can you think of any other broadcaster who is regularly accused of attention-seeking? I can't. And anyway, I'd have thought that's part of the job description.

I’d disagree that she’s always sincere in what she says and again I’ll give the example when she laughably said she’d have no trouble welcoming travellers and their caravans to her street in Greystones. That was playing to the gallery.

meeeeh · 03-08-2020 7:27pm

TomTomTim wrote: »

I'm seriously confused by this. Is females now an offensive term?

Not if you are using as an adjective. But as noun it basically just describes someone or something has reproductive organs, it could be a person, animal or a plant. It could even be a fitting plumber uses. The same person who calls women females managed a bit more curtesy when describing a bitch as a female dog.

03-08-2020 7:39pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I’d disagree that she’s always sincere in what she says and again I’ll give the example when she laughably said she’d have no trouble welcoming travellers and their caravans to her street in Greystones. That was playing to the gallery.

When was this? Roughly. I think we should dig it out because I would be very surprised if she was referring to any kind of illegal settlement. I may eat my words.

If she said she wouldn't object to having settled travellers as neighbours, then not only is that a banal statement, nobody has any right to such an objection in the first place. It isn't playing to the gallery, it's being an ordinary decent person.

southstar · 03-08-2020 7:57pm

meeeeh wrote: »

Not if you are using as an adjective. But as noun it basically just describes someone or something has reproductive organs, it could be a person, animal or a plant. It could even be a fitting plumber uses. The same person who calls women females managed a bit more curtesy when describing a bitch as a female dog.

Think he used the word once in his posts and it clearly did not refer to animal plant or electrical fitting...nor I suspect was it used to offend...but if that's all you could bring so be it.

meeeeh · 03-08-2020 8:00pm

I'm not sure it was even on her show, it could be on Cutting Edge or something. However it certainly was at least a year ago but my guess would be around presidential elections (which reminds me, is Mickey D still alive?)

One could say the argument is slightly stale...

sligojoek · 03-08-2020 8:09pm

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm not sure it was even on her show, it could be on Cutting Edge or something. However it certainly was at least a year ago but my guess would be around presidential elections (which reminds me, is Mickey D still alive?)

One could say the argument is slightly stale...

Do you live in this country? Every news bulletin I've heard on varying stations opened with the news that President Higgins led tributes to the late John Hume.

meeeeh · 03-08-2020 8:16pm

southstar wrote: »

Think he used the word once in his posts and it clearly did not refer to animal plant or electrical fitting...nor I suspect was it used to offend...but if that's all you could bring so be it.

And if he used a term woman there would be no doubt... How often would you say three females went with us out for a drink? If you have a girlfriend or a wife would you describe her as 'my female? It's not a noun used much outside of internet cultural wars. And it's never complimentary to women.

meeeeh · 03-08-2020 8:21pm

sligojoek wrote: »

Do you live in this country? Every news bulletin I've heard on varying stations opened with the news that President Higgins led tributes to the late John Hume.

I get my news only from higher quality British media, they only mentioned Martin...

(And yes I'm joking, I didn't really think Higgins is dead either.)

southstar · 03-08-2020 10:38pm

meeeeh wrote: »

And if he used a term woman there would be no doubt... How often would you say three females went with us out for a drink? If you have a girlfriend or a wife would you describe her as 'my female? It's not a noun used much outside of internet cultural wars. And it's never complimentary to women.

Used widely outside said cultural wars... if you paid attention to other matters...law science politics etc....the issue of being complimentary or otherwise to women is neither here nor there....do save the lecture
He used the term woman on numerous occassions by the way... and the tenor of his posts didn't suggest he held his 'female' family members in the same regard as dogs....that was all yours....but keep up the dissembling.

04-08-2020 2:27am

Careful now

Down with that sort of thing

ButtersSuki · 04-08-2020 3:58am

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm not sure it was even on her show, it could be on Cutting Edge or something. However it certainly was at least a year ago but my guess would be around presidential elections (which reminds me, is Mickey D still alive?)

One could say the argument is slightly stale...

Why is the argument stale? Because you don’t like it?

kowloonkev · 04-08-2020 4:15am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't really have strong feelings on this, either way, Butters. But what you're referring to in the case of Duffy is an example of different — I would say, valid — criticisms. They are totally different in nature, they refer to an insincerity on his part, pretending to be the working class hero that he plainly is not.

Insincerity is one of the few things that Ciara Kelly is never accused of. Like her or loathe her, you can be fairly confident that she says what she thinks (sometimes without thinking at all). I like this about her, but it clearly grates on a few listeners. Just read back over some of the comments here – it's rare that you'll see her accused of pandering to her audience or being insincere, we usually see the more typical sexist tropes eg. She's too mouthy or she talks too much, interrupts, and seeks attention.

Can you think of any other broadcaster who is regularly accused of attention-seeking? I can't. And anyway, I'd have thought that's part of the job description.

I'd have to agree for the most part. In both shows I think the presenter is third most important after the content and the people calling in. The people who call in to Ciara are normal people by and large, and probably younger on average and have their finger on the pulse of the country.

Those calling in to Joe Duffy really reflect him, they are the most miserable sounding, fake nice people you could ever come across. If there are not actors among them I'd be very surprised.

Sometimes I have to switch off Ciara because the content is not appealing or she is very biased or on occasion mocking of the opposite viewpoint but it's not half as bad as liveline.

Kevtherev1 · 04-08-2020 11:37am

OMG what attention seeking. Just heard the latest promo for the ciara kelly woman's lunchtime show. A clip of her going on and on about vaginas. Ciara complaining why are woman's vaginas being sexialized by men and society.
The tone being playing the victim and shaming of people who sexualize vaginas. The people running this station must be all sjw woman.

Just had a google search and indeed correct. The whole station is female based i wont name them here for their sake. But the roles in newstalk of managing editor, news director, digital editor, marketing manager, lunchtime show producer, are all woman. There is one male simp in the operations director role. These people are all the enablers of ciara kelly and why the tone and content of her show is so female centric. The show and newestalk actually alienates male listeners.

lawrencesummers · 04-08-2020 12:04pm

Kevtherev1 wrote: »

OMG what attention seeking. Just heard the latest promo for the ciara kelly woman's lunchtime show. A clip of her going on and on about vaginas. Ciara complaining why are woman's vaginas being sexialized by men and society.
The tone being playing the victim and shaming of people who sexualize vaginas. The people running this station must be all sjw woman.

Just had a google search and indeed correct. The whole station is female based i wont name them here for their sake. But the roles in newstalk of managing editor, news director, digital editor, marketing manager, lunchtime show producer, are all woman. There is one male simp in the operations director role. These people are all the enablers of ciara kelly and why the tone and content of her show is so female centric. The show and newestalk actually alienates male listeners.

I’m a male, and the gender of the stations management hasn’t alienated me. The terrible quality of their programs has, from Ivan yeates, George Hook, Paul McWilliams they have a long history of terrible presenters many whom happen to be male.

ButtersSuki · 04-08-2020 12:36pm

Kevtherev1 wrote: »

OMG what attention seeking. Just heard the latest promo for the ciara kelly woman's lunchtime show. A clip of her going on and on about vaginas. Ciara complaining why are woman's vaginas being sexialized by men and society.
The tone being playing the victim and shaming of people who sexualize vaginas. The people running this station must be all sjw woman.

Just had a google search and indeed correct. The whole station is female based i wont name them here for their sake. But the roles in newstalk of managing editor, news director, digital editor, marketing manager, lunchtime show producer, are all woman. There is one male simp in the operations director role. These people are all the enablers of ciara kelly and why the tone and content of her show is so female centric. The show and newestalk actually alienates male listeners.

Hmmm!

ButtersSuki wrote: »

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 04-08-2020 12:41pm

That's so funny I find the tone of the show quite 'laddish'.

meeeeh · 04-08-2020 12:43pm

Kevtherev1 wrote: »

OMG what attention seeking. Just heard the latest promo for the ciara kelly woman's lunchtime show. A clip of her going on and on about vaginas. Ciara complaining why are woman's vaginas being sexialized by men and society.
The tone being playing the victim and shaming of people who sexualize vaginas. The people running this station must be all sjw woman.

Just had a google search and indeed correct. The whole station is female based i wont name them here for their sake. But the roles in newstalk of managing editor, news director, digital editor, marketing manager, lunchtime show producer, are all woman. There is one male simp in the operations director role. These people are all the enablers of ciara kelly and why the tone and content of her show is so female centric. The show and newestalk actually alienates male listeners.

Yes women are more developed gender and are quietly taking over the world. Soon we will have you all locked up in the cellar and use you just for reproduction (sex is optional, vibrators tend to be very good). And Newstalk is the headquarters of this take over. Be afraid, be very afraid...

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 04-08-2020 12:52pm

What was the guest Doctor talking about 20+ people in leaky sex pods? He was going on about nationality in relation to this.

Mav11 · 04-08-2020 1:01pm

meeeeh wrote: »

Yes women are more developed gender and are quietly taking over the world. Soon we will have you all locked up in the cellar and use you just for reproduction (sex is optional, vibrators tend to be very good). And Newstalk is the headquarters of this take over. Be afraid, be very afraid...

Yeah, but can vibrators cut the grass?

04-08-2020 1:02pm

Kevtherev1 wrote: »

OMG what attention seeking. Just heard the latest promo for the ciara kelly woman's lunchtime show. A clip of her going on and on about vaginas. Ciara complaining why are woman's vaginas being sexialized by men and society.
The tone being playing the victim and shaming of people who sexualize vaginas. The people running this station must be all sjw woman.

Just had a google search and indeed correct. The whole station is female based i wont name them here for their sake. But the roles in newstalk of managing editor, news director, digital editor, marketing manager, lunchtime show producer, are all woman. There is one male simp in the operations director role. These people are all the enablers of ciara kelly and why the tone and content of her show is so female centric. The show and newestalk actually alienates male listeners.

At least one of the lunchtime producers is a male. I've spoken to him.

Anyway, what difference does the gender of the management team make?

I work in IT and the head of operations is a woman. That doesn't mean we have to use pink network cables or anything.

Btw Im a male and i don't feel alienated by the show or Newstalk in general.

Mav11 · 04-08-2020 1:05pm

Kevtherev1 wrote: »

OMG what attention seeking. Just heard the latest promo for the ciara kelly woman's lunchtime show. A clip of her going on and on about vaginas. Ciara complaining why are woman's vaginas being sexialized by men and society.
The tone being playing the victim and shaming of people who sexualize vaginas. The people running this station must be all sjw woman.

Just had a google search and indeed correct. The whole station is female based i wont name them here for their sake. But the roles in newstalk of managing editor, news director, digital editor, marketing manager, lunchtime show producer, are all woman. There is one male simp in the operations director role. These people are all the enablers of ciara kelly and why the tone and content of her show is so female centric. The show and newestalk actually alienates male listeners.

I actually think that she is trying the "shock jock" approach to get audience share. Not working, she is just getting repetitive and boring now!

meeeeh · 04-08-2020 1:06pm

Mav11 wrote: »

Yeah, but can vibrators cut the grass?

You are right we need men for slave labor too.

duffman13 · 04-08-2020 1:11pm

Kevtherev1 wrote: »

OMG what attention seeking. Just heard the latest promo for the ciara kelly woman's lunchtime show. A clip of her going on and on about vaginas. Ciara complaining why are woman's vaginas being sexialized by men and society.
The tone being playing the victim and shaming of people who sexualize vaginas. The people running this station must be all sjw woman.

Just had a google search and indeed correct. The whole station is female based i wont name them here for their sake. But the roles in newstalk of managing editor, news director, digital editor, marketing manager, lunchtime show producer, are all woman. There is one male simp in the operations director role. These people are all the enablers of ciara kelly and why the tone and content of her show is so female centric. The show and newestalk actually alienates male listeners.

Thought they would have pulled that promo after Ciara ended up with egg on her face following the ASAI releasing a gender breakdown of the tampon complaints, obviously not!

Sometimes shes decent, sometimes shes awful, like a lot of the newstalk presenters tbh but when she tries the rallying call ****e, its a painful listen

Grolschevik · 04-08-2020 1:14pm

meeeeh wrote: »

You are right we need men for slave labor too.

But only cis men, of course. "Prostate havers", if you will... :pac:

j8wk2feszrnpao · 04-08-2020 1:18pm

Mav11 wrote: »

I actually think that she is trying the "shock jock" approach to get audience share. Not working, she is just getting repetitive and boring now!

I find her utterly boring. As you say, trying to be outrageous for the sake of it. The new wave of wokes love the crap she spews.

females = offensive :rolleyes:
Jesus wept

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 04-08-2020 1:25pm

Go on seventy year old Erin and her active sex life. Good on you girl.

Del.Monte · 04-08-2020 1:37pm

The segment about the HSE telling people to sign up for sexting, sex lines etc. is really scraping the bottom of the barrel even by the low standards of Ciara's old guff.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 04-08-2020 1:41pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

The segment about the HSE telling people to sign up for sexting, sex lines etc. is really scraping the bottom of the barrel even by the low standards of Ciara's old guff.

Today RTE had it on too. Think all topical shows are covering it today.

As pointed out many other jurisdictions gave out information on Safe Sex in a time of Covid at the beginning of the crisis and they also didn't alienate older age groups. I think the reaction is about the delay and the ageist way they did it.

meeeeh · 04-08-2020 2:06pm

Also nothing else is happening. August is dead news month anyway.

Allinall · 04-08-2020 2:08pm

Current affairs talk show talking about what's current in the news.

What a surprise.

radiotrickster · 05-08-2020 11:50am

Ciara Kelly is to present breakfast now on Newstalk.

https://radiotoday.ie/2020/08/ciara-kelly-moves-to-breakfast-in-new-newstalk-schedule/

2smiggy · 05-08-2020 11:57am

radiotrickster wrote: »

Ciara Kelly is to present breakfast now on Newstalk.

https://radiotoday.ie/2020/08/ciara-kelly-moves-to-breakfast-in-new-newstalk-schedule/

a promotion or demotion ?

Mav11 · 05-08-2020 12:08pm

radiotrickster wrote: »

Ciara Kelly is to present breakfast now on Newstalk.

https://radiotoday.ie/2020/08/ciara-kelly-moves-to-breakfast-in-new-newstalk-schedule/

Morning Ireland will be happy with that!!:D

southstar · 05-08-2020 12:09pm

The Winnie Mandela of tampons is off..

leath_dub · 05-08-2020 12:09pm

Seems that Newstalk are confirming the 12:00 - 2pm slot as "Ladies Hour(s)"

Have they ever had a male stand-in for Ciara Kelly since George Hook got the boot? It's probably the one slot where Jonathan Healy has not (and will not) appeared on

FGR · 05-08-2020 12:18pm

leath_dub wrote: »

Jonathan Healy has not (and will not) appeared on

Well it was his full time slot back in the olden days.

Ahh when I was young..

/laments olden times and rants about young people these days

Dickie10 · 05-08-2020 12:25pm

i really like newstalk but was about to start looking for altenatives away from Kelly from 12-2. thank god shes gone . i dont listen to newstalk breakfast, im strictly morning ireland. id say she was begining to heamorrege listeners. now someone will keep manners on her in mornings and enough breaks and weather sport etc to put a halt to her spewing

05-08-2020 12:40pm

Disappointing to see Ciara Kelly gone to the morning slot as I thought they had finally gotten a good mix in the morning with Shane Coleman and Kieran Cuddihy. I enjoyed their partnership, and the idea of listening to Ciara Kelly on the morning commute is about as a appealing as a trip to the dentist.

Cole · 05-08-2020 2:22pm

Mav11 wrote: »

Morning Ireland will be happy with that!!:D

Bryan Dobson and team are (virtually) high fiving as we speak.

wmpdd3 · 05-08-2020 4:31pm

Good point. I'm sure they have figures somewhere about the gender breakdown of listerners at that time. The show is not for me, I do music or podcasts until news at 1.

Grolschevik · 05-08-2020 4:50pm

Be interesting to see how many regular contributors follow her to breakfast in order to give out about her.

ButtersSuki · 05-08-2020 5:09pm

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Good point. I'm sure they have figures somewhere about the gender breakdown of listerners at that time. The show is not for me, I do music or podcasts until news at 1.

You can get them in the last jnlr book. I’m off this week so can’t be bothered looking but if you google them they’ll come up.

Newstalk: 'Lunchtime Live' with Andrea Gilligan

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