Stallions

UrbanSea wrote: »

Maybe, his Sadlers Wells half brother Black Sam Bellamy is a mostly national hunt ad the family is full of stamina despite its sheer class. Just because he won a Guineas doesn't mean he will be a precocious stallion, Golan was a Guineas winner. His Invincible Spirit half brother Born to Sea is going as a NH. He got so many stoutly bred mares it's inevitable some will end up running over hurdles but it would be a massive disappointment to see him advertised strictly as a NH stallion I doubt that would happen

Sea The Stars is a strange prospect. Genetically he should be transmitting speed as his stock are showing fairly high dosage indexes, and he himself is way more speedily bred than his half brother Galileo.


Sea The Stars was a decent 2 yo, so there's no reason that his stock should have been so poor as two year olds. Having said that, My Titania has shown more as a 2yo than any of Galileo's first crop did at the same age.


The thing is, Sea The Stars has had the best mares from the off whereas Galileo had to earn his way to the top.

There's still no sign of his 3yo Zarkava colt Zerkash hitting the track. A colt with practically a sprinter's DI of 3.00 despite being out of two Arc winners and having another Arc winner as his Grand Dam. It kinda shows how tricky it will be for Sea The Stars the Stallion to match Sea The Stars the horse.

bellybuster12 wrote: »

Agree with all points made lads. IMO I think it might be the case in 4/5 years he will be standing as a NH sire(hope i'm wrong). From the book of mare's he got/covering fee's/foal prices/yearling prices he has been a major let down. It's still early days but i fear the worst.

Along with fact that sea the stars was a handfull to manage himself(apparently quiet difficult to handle, temperamental issues would be a concern in his progeny and could be precocious issues leading to progeny needing time and a trip(some of which i have seen look like they needed alot futher).

That's surprising to hear as his temperament on the racecourse was exemplary though. He always looked the picture of composure. Never turned a hair or sweated up to my recollection (Arc he may have been a bit overcooked and ran a bit free though).

Will we see Canford Cliffs first batch this year? remember hearing a while back some nice looking foals were fetching crazy money

That's the first time I've ever seen a negative comment about Sea The Star's temperament - I'd take it with a pinch of salt. I've seen a lot of favourable comments from trainers about his progeny's temperaments: they seem to be invariably easy to train. Trainers and owners seem to be keen enough to get their hands on more of them as well judging by STS's sales figures last year. He had twelve 2-Y-O winners worldwide last year; he's had ten 3-Y-O winners already this year, including promising types like Munjas, Hadaatha and Stars So Bright. There's also a couple of very nice looking ones in France who've come in. At this stage he looks very promising to me as a sire.

It looks like the horses are doing the talking for him.

Paul Hanagan, rider of Taghrooda (current Epsom Oaks favourite): "She is by Sea The Stars and every Sea The Stars I’ve ridden has been very laid back and has a great temperament. You have to have that temperament to handle the big days and she is so relaxed. So with Epsom in mind, that’s a big plus."

ronsh2000 wrote: »

It looks like the horses are doing the talking for him.

At 85k a pop they need to talk a bit faster. He needs that oaks fav to go in for him. Looks like his fillies are better than the colts. If you where to compare him with the likes of thewayyouare (smaller crop, lower quality mares)who stood for 4k in his first year and whose first crop are 3, like sea the stars, than you'd have to say he has a bit to make up.

Huntthe wrote: »

At 85k a pop they need to talk a bit faster. He needs that oaks fav to go in for him. Looks like his fillies are better than the colts. If you where to compare him with the likes of thewayyouare (smaller crop, lower quality mares)who stood for 4k in his first year and whose first crop are 3, like sea the stars, than you'd have to say he has a bit to make up.

Actually I posted my comment before Taghrooda won the Pretty Polly and became Oaks favourite. I was basing it on all the excellent performances in the days before that by the likes of Sopran Nicolo (probable Italian Derby favourite now after his 13-length win), Vasira (Group Three winner in Longchamp), Shamkira (Prix Du Jockey Club contender after an eight-length saunter in a Saint-Cloud maiden), Behesht etc. Not to mention his only 2-Y-O so far hacking up at odds-on over 5F in France, or all the other promising performances by his progeny over the previous few weeks, or the fact that, with a bit more luck, My Titania might have already given him his first Classic success.

tryfix wrote: »

I wouldn't bet the bank on that Taghrooda. Even though there were some decent types in behind on Sunday the time was quite poor. The slowest time of the day and slower than the 3yo winner of the following handicap race over the same distance.

They crawled early, splits from halfway were encouraging.