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Coronavirus Pandemic Information- Local and Worldwide

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,830 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Things aren't going well in the US.
    uspthwA.jpg

    Daughter is just off a zoom call with her friend who moved to America with her family last year. They are staying in a hotel for the weekend. Full use of swimming pool etc.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    COVID-19 (179) - PERU: (LOR) IVERMECTINE, USE OF PARENTERAL VETERINARY PREPARATION, AMERICAN COMMUNITIES
    **************************** ************************************************** *********************************
    A statement from ProMED-mail
    http://www.promedmail.org
    ProMED- mail is a program of the
    International Society for Infectious Diseases
    http://www.isid.org

    Date: June 21, 2020
    Source: El País, Spain
    https://elpais.com/sociencia/2020-06-19/un -peruvian-evangelical-group-injects-a-veterinary-drug-to-thousands-of-
    people.html [Edited by Jaime Torres and Jorge González]


    In the Loreto region, the largest in the Peruvian Amazon, a mayor and an evangelical group have promoted the application of veterinary ivermectin to some 5,000 people. In this disconnected region of Peru, where around one million people live, of whom 300,000 are indigenous, fear of disease and neglect of the State have led many people to accept the injection of the antiparasitic that was presented to them as a palliative. for the Covid-19. “Since May, the mayor of the province of Loreto and an evangelical alliance have called people using radio stations to apply veterinary ivermectin as if it were a vaccine against the disease. In Nauta at least 5,000 people have received it, ”says Leonardo Tello, director of Radio Ucamara,

    Tello says that many people felt tachycardia after receiving the injection. "The side effect has been horrible," he says. The director of Radio Ucamara explains that some evangelical pastors from Loreto have linked the new coronavirus with the devil and the end of the world, offering these injections "as a salvation."

    In the town of Cuninico, a community of the Kukama indigenous people, where a large part of the population had symptoms of Covid-19, the technician of the health module - a prefabricated environment for patient care by the Ministry of Health - told the volunteers from the so-called Evangelical Missions of the Amazon, who no longer needed the “vaccine” because most people were taking care of themselves with traditional medicine, with plants. However, those sent by the evangelical group decided to administer the veterinary ivermectin.

    "The volunteers' explanation was clear and direct that it is approved through a law, and that it is an animal treatment that gives positive results as a vaccine," said the apu -indigenous chief- of Cuninico, Wadson Trujillo Acosta. “They said they are doing it at the national level and also in Nauta, and alerted to side effects such as diarrhea. Some people did produce that reaction, "he described.

    In Cuninico 60% of people over 18 years received the drug. "About 160 people," says Trujillo. “Almost everyone here has had symptoms of Covid-19 and with home remedies they are counteracting them. Some have been in isolation because we continue with the problem of supplying medicines. We received 27 rapid diagnostic tests for the community, seven were positive and we have kept another seven tests in case the cases worsen. The staff has the minimum of security equipment, but we already have masks for the population, ”reports the Trujillo apu.

    Last week, the General Directorate of Medicines of the Ministry of Health warned of the improper use of veterinary ivermectin in the context of the health emergency of covid-19, and pointed out that animal products "do not meet the same requirements of drugs for humans ”. "Presentations of ivermectin formulated for animals should not be used as a substitute for ivermectin intended for human use to treat covid-19," he cautioned.

    Despite the recommendation of the health authority, ivermectin injections promoted by the mayor of the province of Loreto, Giampaolo Rojas, continue. At the health center of the Quichua community of Intuto, the staff continues to administer ivermectin, but "they do not know if it is veterinary or for human use," says Juan Enrique Villacorta, correspondent for Radio Ucamara. Evangelical volunteers have also applied the veterinary drug in the communities of Santa Rita de Castilla and Saramurillo, among others.

    EL PAÍS asked the Ministry of Health and the Regional Health Directorate of Loreto if there are any sanctions against those who have massively administered said veterinary substance, but until the closing of this note there was no response. According to the Loreto health authority, until a couple of days ago, 1,492 indigenous citizens were infected with Covid-19 and 14 have died. In this region, 32% of the people who passed the test have tested positive, a percentage only surpassed by the neighboring Amazon region of Ucayali, with 34%.

    The doctor Julio Chirinos, associate professor at the University of Pennsylvania, affirmed to this media that he completely disagrees with the administration of ivermectin for animals because “animal preparations tend not to have the same quality standards as human preparations. On the other hand, there is no reliable evidence that ivermectin is beneficial against Covid-19, "he said. Chirinos is one of the 12 Peruvian doctors and scientific researchers that this Thursday asked, in an open letter to the Ministry of Health, to withdraw hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin (human) from the treatment of Covid-19, “due to its lack of efficacy and risk of toxicity ”.

    Health versus the economy

    Peru has exceeded Italy's number of infected on Wednesday, with more than 240,000 confirmed cases, and has reported 7,257 deaths from the new coronavirus. In addition, the Medical College has reported that 57 of its members have died after being infected at work. In mental health hospitals there are 217 infected and five deceased. Despite the fact that the virus is still spreading, this Thursday the Government authorized the reopening of the shopping centers. The Minister of Health, Víctor Zamora, said in a conference with the foreign press on Tuesday that the collection of taxes is necessary to allocate them to health care, and this is the reason for the resumption of commercial activity.


    Communicated by: Jaime R. Torres <torresj@email.com>


    - ProMED-ESP

    ................. jt, jg



    [The chronic neglect of the state for serving indigenous populations, lack of education, superstition and manipulation by some religious leaders are combined here. They are the complete ingredients for a disaster. The situation is complicated when self-medication reigns, either due to lack of health care or out of habit. Peru is one of the few countries in the world where most medicines are sold without a prescription and are also sold at retail. Additionally, counterfeiting drugs is a burgeoning industry. On the other hand, if tax collection is so necessary to justify the risky reopening of activities and businesses amid a sustained increase in cases and deaths that have not yet reached their maximum point and even less their inflection point, it is urgent to incorporate the immense mass of illegal workers (badly called informal) into the financial system and to pay taxes just like the formal ones. Unfortunately, no government has worried about it, given the huge number of potential voters. These are complex situations that have exposed (once again) the inability of successive governments to face and correct these serious problems, despite the enormous resources that were generated at the beginning of this century, when there were notable figures of economic growth. Moderator Jorge González] These are complex situations that have exposed (once again) the inability of successive governments to face and correct these serious problems, despite the enormous resources that were generated at the beginning of this century, when there were notable figures of economic growth. Moderator Jorge González] These are complex situations that have exposed (once again) the inability of successive governments to face and correct these serious problems, despite the enormous resources that were generated at the beginning of this century, when there were notable figures of economic growth. Moderator Jorge González]

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Next!

    Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China


    https://bbc.in/2NGnpFW

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,479 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    greysides wrote: »
    Next!

    Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China


    https://bbc.in/2NGnpFW

    Go to bed will ya


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    greysides wrote: »
    Next!

    Flu virus with 'pandemic potential' found in China


    https://bbc.in/2NGnpFW
    They're definitely seems to be a return to scaremongering going on.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    They're definitely seems to be a return to scaremongering going on.

    I'd see it more as a reminder that there will be another, and another ...

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,830 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Anyone watch primetime last night


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Didn't see last night. Watching tonight with my OH, who knows this business well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭einn32


    Some suburbs in Melbourne have been put back into complete lockdown. Only leave for work etc. There will be cops manning main roads in and out. Interesting to see if it works. No international flights allowed in for two weeks either.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,618 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Anyone watch primetime last night

    Didn’t get to see it.
    Might try watch back today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    A bit about the knock on effect of covid19 on potato production in the US.
    https://twitter.com/businessinsider/status/1277768999812636677?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    whelan2 wrote: »
    Anyone watch primetime last night
    I just watched it on the RTE player and it is very sobering to see the reality.

    I know a man in his early 50's (my age) with no underling health issues who contracted covid-19 early April. He was put on a ventilator and had problems with organ failure. His family were told at one stage that he wouldn't make it. He rallied but is now on ongoing renal treatment and physical remedial/therapy. He is still in full time care.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭I says


    Base price wrote: »
    I just watched it on the RTE player and it is very sobering to see the reality.

    I know a man in his early 50's (my age) with no underling health issues who contracted covid-19 early April. He was put on a ventilator and had problems with organ failure. His family were told at one stage that he wouldn't make it. He rallied but is now on ongoing renal treatment and physical remedial/therapy. He is still in full time care.
    Acceptance of death makes it easier, I always believe your time and date is stamped on your arse the day you are born. Best before if ya will.
    We are all going to die but of what and when is the mystery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Take what you will from this. But it appears antibodies are not lasting very long in asymptomatic cases of Covid.
    So even if a vaccine is found and approved it may only work for two months.

    https://twitter.com/damilola_MD/status/1276475458314555393?s=20

    I received these test kits from mybio today.
    https://mybio.ie/blogs/news/mybio-antibody-test

    I did the test as well as my father. Both came back negative and negative for the virus.
    But if the tweet is to be believed in asymptomatic cases then the money spent on the tests may be kind of wasted as there may be a shorter window to test for antibodies than was believed.

    John Purcell. Owner of Kclr radio doing the same test.
    https://youtu.be/JERrCB17FP4


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-immunity-levels-higher-than-antibody-tests-suggest-according-to-swedish-study-12018799

    "Our results indicate that roughly twice as many people have developed T-cell immunity compared with those who we can detect antibodies in," he explained.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    This gives the progress through the phases of trials of the diff candidates for vaccine:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2020/jul/02/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker-how-close-are-we-to-a-vaccine


  • Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭longgonesilver


    Some companies have received permission to run two phases simultaneously, speeding up the process overall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    This article is based on an interview with Prof Robin Shattock, Imperial College. They like Moderna are using RNA, whilst Oxford use the traditional approach.
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/03/im-cautiously-optimistic-imperials-robin-shattock-on-his-coronavirus-vaccine


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    A few more people here were tested with the antibody tests.
    And same thing antibody negative.

    It seems we're not the only one's to be testing this way.

    Look at the comments below the article.

    What this really means? I haven't the foggiest.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-research-5139900-Jul2020/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    A few more people here were tested with the antibody tests.
    And same thing antibody negative.

    It seems we're not the only one's to be testing this way.

    Look at the comments below the article.

    What this really means? I haven't the foggiest.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-19-research-5139900-Jul2020/

    They mustn't have much of an understanding to how immunity develops in coronavirus.
    There's detectable immunity in antibodies in blood and/or nasal mucous as well as immunity through t cells.
    Only blood antibodies have been looked at so far in any population studies meaning they have most likely underestimated the total spread by quite a bit which will mean an IFR of well below 0.5% before allowing for deaths from covid being overestimated


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭alps


    Its arrived..

    Hope it gets used..

    https://www.covidtracker.ie/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,479 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    alps wrote: »
    Its arrived..

    Hope it gets used..

    https://www.covidtracker.ie/

    It was in your phone weeks ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭alps


    Reggie. wrote: »
    It was in your phone weeks ago

    No it wasn't. What was put on your phone was to accommodate the use of the app.

    Doesn’t use location by the looks of it ... only low energy Bluetooth with other phones in the same vicinity. It’s using a distributed model where the info is only between the phones themselves and not stored in a centralised system. Apple and google made this possible in the past few months to allow this type of app to be built. Unfortunately the UK (and France) have gone with the centralised model where your info is stored centrally. This means the Irish system is not compatible with the UK 🙄 I believe the Irish direction is the right one as it’s far better from a data protection point of view


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,479 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    alps wrote: »
    No it wasn't. What was put on your phone was to accommodate the use of the app.

    Doesn’t use location by the looks of it ... only low energy Bluetooth with other phones in the same vicinity. It’s using a distributed model where the info is only between the phones themselves and not stored in a centralised system. Apple and google made this possible in the past few months to allow this type of app to be built. Unfortunately the UK (and France) have gone with the centralised model where your info is stored centrally. This means the Irish system is not compatible with the UK 🙄 I believe the Irish direction is the right one as it’s far better from a data protection point of view

    Interesting


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Breaking news: Brazil's president tests positive for Covid-19's little flu.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-brazils-president-jair-bolsonaro-tests-positive-for-covid-19-12023210


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves




    An interesting statistic, i suppose I should not put it that way. However when excess deaths are looked at in Ireland compared to COVID deaths we are over 200 behind our COVID death figures. So when comparing to figures world wide we have over reported compared to a lot of countries under reporting

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0707/1151929-who-studying-evidence-on-airborne-covid-transmission/

    The World Health Organization has said it will study fresh evidence on airborne transmission of the coronavirus, after an international group of scientists concluded it could spread far beyond two metres.

    The WHO said it would put out a new scientific brief within days, rounding up the knowledge about how the virus can be transmitted and ensuring its guidance stays in line with the evidence.

    The two-metre physical distancing guideline has been a major factor in the fight against the Covid-19 pandemic, which has killed more than 538,000 people and infected over 11.6 million since the outbreak emerged in China last December.



    However, the coronavirus can spread through the air far beyond two metres, a group of 239 international scientists said yesterday.

    When an infected person exhales, they expel droplets. Droplets under five micrometres in size can become suspended in the air for several hours and travel up to tens of metres, they said.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭einn32


    Locked down again in Melbourne for 6 weeks. Most people are fed up now I'd say.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    The tyrant running Brazil has come down with Covid - couldn't happen to a nicer chap as me aul lad would say;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    The tyrant running Brazil has come down with Covid - couldn't happen to a nicer chap as me aul lad would say;)

    Numbers starting to climb here too.
    23 cases here today, all under 45, 18 under 25


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    wrangler wrote: »
    Numbers starting to climb here too.
    23 cases here today, all under 45, 18 under 25
    I reckon we will be back in lock down in the next 2 to 3 weeks. I would suggest that people stock up their freezers/dry cupboards soon. I'm going to do a big shop tomorrow to stock up. If we don't go back into a lock down then the food will be used anyway over time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Mighn't be lockdown but social drinking might be stopped again.
    The uptake of mask wearing has also been poor, don't understand that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,102 ✭✭✭jimini0


    Base price wrote: »
    I reckon we will be back in lock down in the next 2 to 3 weeks. I would suggest that people stock up their freezers/dry cupboards soon. I'm going to do a big shop tomorrow to stock up. If we don't go back into a lock down then the food will be used anyway over time.

    Let the great toilet roll race begin.
    Sorry base I agree with an awful lot of things you say on here but these kind of posts on social media left an awful lot of people without the basics 3 months ago. There is absolutely no reason to panic buy. It only takes a couple of posts like this on social media to get people panicked. The fit and healthy people are well fit to go to the shop on any given day. But like before we HAD to alot time slots for the elderly and health care workers to shop. That should never happen.
    OK rant over


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,830 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Water John wrote: »
    Mighn't be lockdown but social drinking might be stopped again.
    The uptake of mask wearing has also been poor, don't understand that.

    People dont understand how to wear masks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    whelan2 wrote: »
    People dont understand how to wear masks.

    Do many on here wear masks when out and about?

    I haven’t mainly cos I never think of it until am in town...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    jimini0 wrote: »
    Let the great toilet roll race begin.
    Sorry base I agree with an awful lot of things you say on here but these kind of posts on social media left an awful lot of people without the basics 3 months ago. There is absolutely no reason to panic buy. It only takes a couple of posts like this on social media to get people panicked. The fit and healthy people are well fit to go to the shop on any given day. But like before we HAD to alot time slots for the elderly and health care workers to shop. That should never happen.
    OK rant over
    Apologies, I'm not trying to panic anyone, I'm only giving my opinion. Eldest is living in Melbourne and they relaxed their covid-19 rules about 4 weeks ago similar to what we did last week. He is now in a 6 week lock down although he can still travel to work.
    Irrespective of what happens I'm going to be prudent and stock up on food and essential items.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    jimini0 wrote: »
    Let the great toilet roll race begin.
    Sorry base I agree with an awful lot of things you say on here but these kind of posts on social media left an awful lot of people without the basics 3 months ago. There is absolutely no reason to panic buy. It only takes a couple of posts like this on social media to get people panicked. The fit and healthy people are well fit to go to the shop on any given day. But like before we HAD to alot time slots for the elderly and health care workers to shop. That should never happen.
    OK rant over

    It's rare enough I go to town, but I wear my mask indoors there. To prevent your glasses fogging, rub them whit a little soap after rinsing them then polish it off.
    Millions of poor people all over the world wear them constantly as they live in such close proximity, it's their main defence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Do many on here wear masks when out and about?

    I haven’t mainly cos I never think of it until am in town...
    Our Vet gave us a pack of surgical masks when she was here doing the annual herd test in early May, they couldn't be got at that time. TBH other than trying one on I haven't worn any when out and about but I keep a few in the various vehicles that we drive along with bottles of hand sanitiser. I buy all food/household essentials from a local shop mostly late in the evening when it's quiet.
    I haven't gone into a shop/supermarket in NCD since late April cause I reckon that it's just too risky. I posted previously where I saw people out and about during the good weather in May/June (in NCD) where there was feck all social distancing. My Sister has been self isolating since late Feb. Twice weekly she gives me a list of what she needs. I buy them locally and deliver them to her in NCD.
    Wash your hands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Base price wrote: »
    Our Vet gave us a pack of surgical masks when she was here doing the annual herd test in early May, they couldn't be got at that time. TBH other than trying one on I haven't worn any when out and about but I keep a few in the various vehicles that we drive along with bottles of hand sanitiser. I buy all food/household essentials from a local shop mostly late in the evening when it's quiet.
    I haven't gone into a shop/supermarket in NCD since late April cause I reckon that it's just too risky. I posted previously where I saw people out and about during the good weather in May/June (in NCD) where there was feck all social distancing. My Sister has been self isolating since late Feb. Twice weekly she gives me a list of what she needs. I buy them locally and deliver them to her in NCD.
    Wash your hands.

    Our church services start this week, I won't be going if I have to wear a mask. I find tehm uncomfortable, I stand back from people if I 'm in a shop. Our Chemist has a machine to slide the cash into and it gives out the change, they then sanitise when they are cashing up, only one handles the cash then


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭GoneHome


    Worrying statistics again tonight, numbers starting to climb again, people have become far too complacint, a cousin of mine has a pub in Co Galway, was talking to him this morning and he was saying the word between all the publicans in his town is that they won't be allowed open until late August possible into September, the carry on in Dublin last weekend didn't help their cause


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭einn32


    Going forward it will be lockdown and then open up then lockdown again I reckon. It will ease the burden on the system. The issue in Melbourne is some people refuse to social distance. When you have people with symptoms going to work or visit family then lockdown is inevitable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Water John wrote: »
    Mighn't be lockdown but social drinking might be stopped again.
    The uptake of mask wearing has also been poor, don't understand that.
    Medical people were the top priority when it came to masks. Public service policy and not science dictated matters.

    'If I ventured in the slipstream, Between the viaducts of your dream'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    GoneHome wrote: »
    Worrying statistics again tonight, numbers starting to climb again, people have become far too complacint, a cousin of mine has a pub in Co Galway, was talking to him this morning and he was saying the word between all the publicans in his town is that they won't be allowed open until late August possible into September, the carry on in Dublin last weekend didn't help their cause

    The numbers can be highly influenced by false positives now.
    There was 26,000 tests carried out in the week up to the third of July with 71 positive, that's a little over one quarter of one percent testing positive.
    The true specificity of the covid test isn't known but it will be less than 100% and if it's less than 99.73% it means that all of the positives from that week could have been false positives.
    But the experts in charge aren't used to dealing with unreliable field data and seem to be reading far too much into these numbers


  • Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭longgonesilver


    The numbers can be highly influenced by false positives now.
    There was 26,000 tests carried out in the week up to the third of July with 71 positive, that's a little over one quarter of one percent testing positive.
    The true specificity of the covid test isn't known but it will be less than 100% and if it's less than 99.73% it means that all of the positives from that week could have been false positives.
    But the experts in charge aren't used to dealing with unreliable field data and seem to be reading far too much into these numbers


    That's great , so they don't have to isolate?
    They won't have to go to hospital if they need to?
    They won't need to go to ICU if they need to?
    Some of their family's won't need to bury them?
    And all because the experts don't know what they are doing ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    That's great , so they don't have to isolate?
    They won't have to go to hospital if they need to?
    They won't need to go to ICU if they need to?
    Some of their family's won't need to bury them?
    And all because the experts don't know what they are doing ??

    Don't think you understood my post. The numbers are talked about with certainty when they are anything but.
    Is there a statistically significant difference to zero in positive results over the last two weeks? Probably not and if there is it's very marginal and nothing to be worked up about


  • Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭longgonesilver


    No I understood your post perfectly.
    You are trying to cast doubt on the accuracy of the tests.
    The test might not be perfectly accurate but it is nearly so, worst case if one of two people had to self isolate unnecessarily, it's for the common good.

    Don't forget to add on the false negatives when you subtract the false positives.


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