Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XI (The Finals Countdown)

The Lost Sheep · 15-09-2019 2:01pm

Clegg wrote: »

Denis Leamy is joining Leinster's academy coaching staff. He had been with Munsters underage teams and was developing a reputation as a good coach.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/munster-legend-denis-leamy-set-for-role-with-leinster-academy-38499049.html

Dont know where he developed that reputation...
His coaching experience is with Rockwell in schools cup, clonmel to win a few junior leagues and a junior cup and then Cashel in AIL but didnt like his attitude on sidelines of games or much else.

Clegg · 15-09-2019 2:08pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Dont know where he developed that reputation...
His coaching experience is with Rockwell in schools cup, clonmel to win a few junior leagues and a junior cup and then Cashel in AIL but didnt like his attitude on sidelines of games or much else.

Tbf I haven't a clue about his rep. Just paraphrasing what's in the Indo article.

On the subject of the Academy, I'm really looking forward to what Noel McNamara can do for our young players. The U20 Six Nations showed how good a coach he is I think. It's hard to get underage representative sides playing as a cohesive unit, as they're still developing their own skills. But we played extremely well as a team and won that grand slam on merit. And when we had players drop out of the squad through injury, the replacements stepped in seamlessly. That's the sign of good coaching.

Hands Like Flippers · 15-09-2019 3:55pm

Was anyone at the A game? If so, what went wrong with Ulster or were Leinster just too good or a combination of both?

molloyjh · 18-09-2019 9:22am

Barry Daly is out for up to 5 months and Frawley is out for 6-8 weeks. Balls. Daly in particular has absolutely no luck.

Exclamation Marc · 18-09-2019 9:33am

molloyjh wrote: »

Barry Daly is out for up to 5 months and Frawley is out for 6-8 weeks. Balls. Daly in particular has absolutely no luck.

Barry Daly with knee ligament damage and cartilage injury picked up in training. Just so so unlucky.

18-09-2019 10:00am

Feel sorry for Daly - just can't get a proper run of matches under his belt.

Bad timing for Frawley. He'd have been in line for a lot of rugby the next two months against weaker teams where he could have put in a few displays.

troyzer · 18-09-2019 10:13am

Deleted User wrote: »

Feel sorry for Daly - just can't get a proper run of matches under his belt.

Bad timing for Frawley. He'd have been in line for a lot of rugby the next two months against weaker teams where he could have put in a few displays.

Harry Byrne should see some game time.

arsebiscuits1 · 18-09-2019 10:59am

Bit thin on 10s even with Frawley fit.

Will be getting squeaky bum time if one of Ross or Harry drop in the next 6 weeks or (more likely) Ross gets on a plane to Japan.

JOB might find himself playing a lot more 10 than Leinster probably had planned for him (although I hope they had a lot of it planned)

Clegg · 18-09-2019 3:00pm

From the 42:

Delighted for JGP. He's been an excellent player for us and one of our most consistent performers over the past few seasons. He's been unfairly criticised by certain segments of the fan base, online and off, but it's clear he's well respected by his teammates.

Leinster have not yet announced who will step into the role of captain whilst Johnny Sexton is away at the World Cup, but the players have voted for a five-man leadership group for the first phase of the new Guinness Pro14 season.

With last year’s vice-captains Rhys Ruddock and Luke McGrath also currently in Japan with Joe Schmidt’s Ireland, the Leinster dressing room nominated Scott Fardy, Ross Molony, Jamison Gibson-Park, Ed Byrne and Fergus McFadden as part of the leadership group.

arsebiscuits1 · 18-09-2019 4:02pm

I'm pleasantly suprised to see Ed Byrne in there.

I know when he came back from injury there was a lot of references to how respected he was etc in the set up. But I thought that was mostly media fluff pieces.

The fact he's in the leadership group is very interesting to see.

Delighted for JGP too.

He was a seriously consistent performer for us last season especially

Squidgy Black · 18-09-2019 5:14pm

It'd be class to see Ross Molony really kick on, he's still only 25 and already has more than 80 caps and second rows can take a while to develop. With the likes of Baird and Dunne coming through, the next season or two is really vital for him I reckon.

Shefwedfan · 18-09-2019 5:36pm

Squidgy Black wrote: »

It'd be class to see Ross Molony really kick on, he's still only 25 and already has more than 80 caps and second rows can take a while to develop. With the likes of Baird and Dunne coming through, the next season or two is really vital for him I reckon.

I think he will kick on now and could be an Irish International.....

kingofthekong · 19-09-2019 9:11am

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I think he will kick on now and could be an Irish International.....

I dont, hes a great player but cant carry, he will be leap frogged by Dunne and Baird in the coming seasons, unless he adds another dimension to his game,

His leadership and lineouts are what keep him in the team but Dunne and Baird look like the future, the game is moving towards second rows that can also carry and make gainline ...sadly Molony will never be that

arsebiscuits1 · 19-09-2019 11:08am

kingofthekong wrote: »

I dont, hes a great player but cant carry, he will be leap frogged by Dunne and Baird in the coming seasons, unless he adds another dimension to his game,

His leadership and lineouts are what keep him in the team but Dunne and Baird look like the future, the game is moving towards second rows that can also carry and make gainline ...sadly Molony will never be that

His ball carrying is lacking which is unfortunate.

But I was very impressed with his physicality last season. His impact in D was significantly better and his ruck clean outs were brilliantly accurate.

mogwai81 · 19-09-2019 2:10pm

Leinster Rugby ‘A’ v Ospreys ‘A’ – Friday, 20th September, St. Helen’s (Swansea), KO: 19.15

(Leinster Senior Cap(s) in Brackets)

15. Rob Russell
14. Adam La Grue
13. Gavin Mullin (2)
12. Liam Turner
11. Andrew Smith
10. James Tarrant
9. Paddy Patterson (3)
1. Michael Milne
2. Dan Sheehan
3. Tom Clarkson
4. Charlie Ryan CAPTAIN
5. Ryan Baird (1)
6. Cian Prendergast
7. Ronan Watters
8. Brian Deeny

16. John McKee
17. Charlie Ward
18. Roman Salanoa
19. Anthony Ryan
20. Ronan Foley
21. Cormac Foley
22. Tim Corkery
23. Josh O’Connor

Squidgy Black · 19-09-2019 2:28pm

Anyone got any info on Corkery? Is he playing AIL this year? I know he played U19 earlier this year so assuming he's only out of school.

Lucas44 · 19-09-2019 4:25pm

kingofthekong wrote: »

I dont, hes a great player but cant carry, he will be leap frogged by Dunne and Baird in the coming seasons, unless he adds another dimension to his game,

His leadership and lineouts are what keep him in the team but Dunne and Baird look like the future, the game is moving towards second rows that can also carry and make gainline ...sadly Molony will never be that

Jonny Gray, Jean kleyn, itoje, kruis, s whitelock, mostert just to name a few are in line to start for some of the biggest countries in a few days and aren’t the best ball carriers but are physical in similar ways to Molony. I.e defence, defensive mauls, scrum, hitting rucks etx... there is very few international pairings of two all out explosive carriers so he will always be knocking about... very similarly to charlie Ryan.. don’t forget Molony first captained leinster at 22/23 and has a big number of caps in respect of his age

Dog Botherer · 19-09-2019 4:38pm

Molony is 6”6 and 110kg, he’s a lump but not really by international standards. If Ruddock is going to be with Ireland more now Molony could very well move into his role as that wider squad leader. He could do a lot worse than Billy Holland down at Munster, who has turned great leadership into an excellent provincial career despite in theory being 2 inches too short to play lock at a professional level.

If Molony stays fit he could easily have another 10 years playing left. I do think he’ll be capped for Ireland but probably in the same vein that Mike McCarthy did.

Shefwedfan · 19-09-2019 5:35pm

kingofthekong wrote: »

I dont, hes a great player but cant carry, he will be leap frogged by Dunne and Baird in the coming seasons, unless he adds another dimension to his game,

His leadership and lineouts are what keep him in the team but Dunne and Baird look like the future, the game is moving towards second rows that can also carry and make gainline ...sadly Molony will never be that

Same was said about Toner when he was 25....look where he ended up

FellasFellas · 19-09-2019 9:51pm

mogwai81 wrote: »

Leinster Rugby ‘A’ v Ospreys ‘A’ – Friday, 20th September, St. Helen’s (Swansea), KO: 19.15

(Leinster Senior Cap(s) in Brackets)

15. Rob Russell (DUFC)
14. Adam La Grue (Terenure)
13. Gavin Mullin (2) (UCD)
12. Liam Turner (DUFC)
11. Andrew Smith (???)
10. James Tarrant (UCD)
9. Paddy Patterson (3) (UCD)
1. Michael Milne (UCD)
2. Dan Sheehan (LFC)
3. Tom Clarkson (DUFC?)
4. Charlie Ryan CAPTAIN (UCD)
5. Ryan Baird (1) (DUFC)
6. Cian Prendergast (UCD)
7. Ronan Watters (Marys)
8. Brian Deeny (Tarf???)

16. John McKee (Belvo)
17. Charlie Ward (Tarf)
18. Roman Salanoa (Belvo)
19. Anthony Ryan (Tarf)
20. Ronan Foley (UCD)
21. Cormac Foley (Marys)
22. Tim Corkery (LFC)
23. Josh O’Connor (UCD)

Anyone know where Smith is playing rugby? A lot of University players there!

Yeah_Right · 20-09-2019 11:02am

Lucas44 wrote: »

Jonny Gray, Jean kleyn, itoje, kruis, s whitelock, mostert just to name a few are in line to start for some of the biggest countries in a few days and aren’t the best ball carriers but are physical in similar ways to Molony. I.e defence, defensive mauls, scrum, hitting rucks etx... there is very few international pairings of two all out explosive carriers so he will always be knocking about... very similarly to charlie Ryan.. don’t forget Molony first captained leinster at 22/23 and has a big number of caps in respect of his age

You've got at least half of those wrong. Itoje, Mostert and Whitelock are all big carriers, explosive and have pace.

arsebiscuits1 · 20-09-2019 11:06am

FellasFellas wrote: »

Anyone know where Smith is playing rugby? A lot of University players there!

Somewhat controversially he recently moved to Tarf apparently

FellasFellas · 20-09-2019 11:27am

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Somewhat controversially he recently moved to Tarf apparently

What was the controversy do you know? Or just controversial that he would go there out of nowhere?

Stainalert · 20-09-2019 1:06pm

FellasFellas wrote: »

What was the controversy do you know? Or just controversial that he would go there out of nowhere?

He lives in Sandymount so odd for a guy to travel across the city and pass by plenty of 1A clubs along the way.

DGRulz · 20-09-2019 2:20pm

Off-topic but watching the All Blacks press conference I see Addidas have gone with a lovely shade of Leinster blue for their training gear. Adding further fuel to the idea the All Blacks are the Leinster of International rugby :L

Dave_The_Sheep · 20-09-2019 11:41pm

James Lowe on Baz and Andrew there on the 9th Sept, decent enough chat.

irishbucsfan · 21-09-2019 6:36am

DGRulz wrote: »

Off-topic but watching the All Blacks press conference I see Addidas have gone with a lovely shade of Leinster blue for their training gear. Adding further fuel to the idea the All Blacks are the Leinster of International rugby :L

Except their training gear is about 750,000x nicer than the Leinster match gear

Shefwedfan · 21-09-2019 7:21am

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Except their training gear is about 750,000x nicer than the Leinster match gear

I would guess the smiley face by the poster meant it was a joke

21-09-2019 7:11pm

Leinster women's team v Connacht if anyone else watching

https://youtu.be/jCXmbX3XnOg

Clegg · 25-09-2019 9:20am

Toner, McFadden, D Kearney, Ross Byrne and JGP are all expected to start against Treviso this weekend.

molloyjh · 25-09-2019 9:29am

So we should be looking at something like:

Byrne Tracy Bent
Fardy Toner
Deegan Doris Penny

JGP Byrne
COB ROL
Byrne Kearney McFadden

Byrne, Dooley, Abdaladze, Molony, Murphy, HOS, H Byrne, Kelleher

mogwai81 · 25-09-2019 9:56am

molloyjh wrote: »

So we should be looking at something like:

Byrne Tracy Bent
Fardy Toner
Deegan Doris Penny

JGP Byrne
COB ROL
Byrne Kearney McFadden

Byrne, Dooley, Abdaladze, Molony, Murphy, HOS, H Byrne, Kelleher

I think Fardy is in Japan this week.

molloyjh · 25-09-2019 10:07am

mogwai81 wrote: »

molloyjh wrote: »

So we should be looking at something like:

Byrne Tracy Bent
Fardy Toner
Deegan Doris Penny

JGP Byrne
COB ROL
Byrne Kearney McFadden

Byrne, Dooley, Abdaladze, Molony, Murphy, HOS, H Byrne, Kelleher

I think Fardy is in Japan this week.

So Molony into the row with someone like Baird coming onto the bench? Or we might look to have Murphy as lock cover and add Connors as back row cover.

mogwai81 · 25-09-2019 10:49am

molloyjh wrote: »

So Molony into the row with someone like Baird coming onto the bench? Or we might look to have Murphy as lock cover and add Connors as back row cover.

I also wonder how far away Ronan Kelleher is from putting serious pressure on Tracy and Byrne at hooker. It's always an exciting time when the Irish front liners are away and there's potential for younger lads to see game time.

guapos · 26-09-2019 12:23am

Seems strange that Fardy is allowed a break in Japan just when the season is starting.

The Lost Sheep · 26-09-2019 12:29am

guapos wrote: »

Seems strange that Fardy is allowed a break in Japan just when the season is starting.

He's a marquee signing. Not exactly needed for playing now and if it means you get to look at others instead of him and he can come back for when sides will be stronger later than where's the problem?
And he is gone to Japan as he was there playing 10 years ago when the tsunami hit and is going for something related to that

guapos · 26-09-2019 12:38am

That's fair enough, didn't realise that was the reason, thanks.

Normally you expect NIQs to be available for the games when the Irish players are away. It's good for the new players to play with players of his standard. I'm pretty sure Isa played many of these type of games.

The Lost Sheep · 26-09-2019 12:43am

guapos wrote: »

That's fair enough, didn't realise that was the reason, thanks.

Normally you expect NIQs to be available for the games when the Irish players are away. It's good for the new players to play with players of his standard. I'm pretty sure Isa played many of these type of games.

Yes but a world cup is very different to games during 6 nations/november periods in other seasons.
Isa probably did but doesnt mean Fardy should have to either.

ArmchairQB · 26-09-2019 10:19am

mogwai81 wrote: »

I also wonder how far away Ronan Kelleher is from putting serious pressure on Tracy and Byrne at hooker. It's always an exciting time when the Irish front liners are away and there's potential for younger lads to see game time.

Odds on Kelleher to overtake Byrne pretty early this season I would think once he keeps injury free which has been his main problem

arsebiscuits1 · 26-09-2019 1:47pm

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Odds on Kelleher to overtake Byrne pretty early this season I would think once he keeps injury free which has been his main problem

This sentence very much applies to Ronan vs Brian.

But not as much Cian vs Adam.

Until Leinster get more diverse we need to start full naming people :pac:

Dravokivich · 26-09-2019 3:00pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

This sentence very much applies to Ronan vs Brian.

But not as much Cian vs Adam.

Until Leinster get more diverse we need to start full naming people :pac:

That's been a problem for some time :P

For a while I was thinking of renaming my kid to McGrath. but they've moved off for the most part. Gotta watch out for those trends, not just in position, but names too!

Exclamation Marc · 26-09-2019 11:11pm

Has anyone received their season ticket yet? Their email last week suggested that they would have been received by the end of last week.

Thanks!

Kevski · 27-09-2019 12:07am

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Has anyone received their season ticket yet? Their email last week suggested that they would have been received by the end of last week.

Thanks!

Mine arrived on Friday of last week!

The Lost Sheep · 27-09-2019 1:28am

Fair play to James Lowe. Would love if a lot more of the Leinster and other provincial players affiliated themselves with other smaller and junior clubs and not just the big senior clubs especially if they will never turn out to play for the clubs while theyre contracted here

Lowe is affiliated to Clondalkin RFC
https://punditarena.com/rugby/mcorry/james-lowe-leinster-club/amp/

sydthebeat · 27-09-2019 7:52am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Fair play to James Lowe. Would love if a lot more of the Leinster and other provincial players affiliated themselves with other smaller and junior clubs and not just the big senior clubs especially if they will never turn out to play for the clubs while theyre contracted here

Lowe is affiliated to Clondalkin RFC
https://punditarena.com/rugby/mcorry/james-lowe-leinster-club/amp/

'mon the North Midlands!!!

Fair dues to Lowe. I know it's probably really only a figure head kind of thing, but it's great to open a match day programme and see senior players affiliated to teams outside the AIL and metro

joseywhales · 27-09-2019 8:16am

I have a fond memory of contepomi togging out in oak Park for carlow

prawnsambo · 27-09-2019 8:25am

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Fair play to James Lowe. Would love if a lot more of the Leinster and other provincial players affiliated themselves with other smaller and junior clubs and not just the big senior clubs especially if they will never turn out to play for the clubs while theyre contracted here

Lowe is affiliated to Clondalkin RFC
https://punditarena.com/rugby/mcorry/james-lowe-leinster-club/amp/

Question uppermost in my mind (while obviously agreeing that it's a great idea; fair play to Lowe) is how did he come to pick up a club like Clondalkin? There's a story there surely.

salmocab · 27-09-2019 9:08am

prawnsambo wrote: »

Question uppermost in my mind (while obviously agreeing that it's a great idea; fair play to Lowe) is how did he come to pick up a club like Clondalkin? There's a story there surely.

In fairness if he was looking for a decent club outside of the traditional rugby areas but still close enough to home it would be very high on the list. (By decent I mean a good set up). Fair play to him the club would get far more out of it than one of the big clubs would.

Squidgy Black · 27-09-2019 9:10am

I heard he only joined because he saw the round tower and secretly had a dream to play Rapunzel.

Quin_Dub · 27-09-2019 9:30am

salmocab wrote: »

In fairness if he was looking for a decent club outside of the traditional rugby areas but still close enough to home it would be very high on the list. (By decent I mean a good set up). Fair play to him the club would get far more out of it than one of the big clubs would.

The quote in the article said he asked the squad "what's a club no one would think of?" and someone said "Clondalkin" so he went with that.

Doesn't sound like there was much science/thought put to it beyond not wanting to be simply assigned to a Dublin AIL club.

Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XI (The Finals Countdown)

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