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Gemma not taking enforced retirement too well

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    You're a Capitalist shill fronting as a progressive, its as clear as day.
    Others should take note..

    Why the refusal to answer a simple question? You can keep abusing me and adding childish labels if you wish but honestly,

    by refusing to answer that one simple question you're showing everyone that you believe she shouldnt be able to post whatever she wants even if its against a sites T&C's that she agreed to when she signed up.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    She was at the door of YouTube’s owners ranting as her channels had been taken down. The day before.
    That’s all.
    You’re reaching here Harvey.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    Why the refusal to answer a simple question? You can keep abusing me and adding childish labels if you wish but honestly,

    by refusing to answer that one simple question you're showing everyone that you believe she shouldnt be able to post whatever she wants even if its against a sites T&C's that she agreed to when she signed up.

    Contact youtube and ask them what exactly it was she was banned for..then I will answer. Be specific.
    Because you don't know do you?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    Contact youtube and ask them what exactly it was she was banned for..then I will answer. Be specific.
    Because you don't know do you?

    Well all know. It’s a conspiracy against her to silence her

    Wooooooooooooooo!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Contact youtube and ask them what exactly it was she was banned for..then I will answer. Be specific.
    Because you don't know do you?

    She was dropped for

    "violations of its policies aimed at protecting against hate speech"

    So now you will have no problem answering my question? Or will you evade again?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    n97 mini wrote: »
    That's one of Leah Doherty's Twitter accounts I think?

    https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/1151203723387047937

    Nope. Here's Gems approaching the Newsworthy person.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/1151203723387047937

    Nope. Here's Gems approaching the Newsworthy person.

    How do you know? That video doesn't identify anyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Harvey Weinstein


    She was dropped for

    "violations of its policies aimed at protecting against hate speech"

    So now you will have no problem answering my question? Or will you evade again?

    Hate Speech?
    And yet there are literally thousands of videos spewing hate speech against Whites, Blacks, Catholics, Muslims, LGBT, Trans, Infidels you name it and they are still up and running.

    Like I said youtubes idea of what constitutes hate speech is entirely arbitrary and totally inconsistent.
    This is nothing more than a political move to shut down and silence Gemma likely at the request of the Irish establishment/Media and anyone should be very worried indeed at this development regardless of whether you support Gemma or not.

    Unless of course you are a member of the establishment or on the establishment gravy train which I strongly suspect you are


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Youtube terms and conditions are entirely arbitrary, they can decide on a whim whether something is categorised as 'hate speech' or anything else and you know this.

    So now we have the truth - you are not a leftist/socialist of any sort.
    You support big business and you support the ability of transnational capitalism to interfere in political discourse.

    Fake left indeed...

    So it's as if it's a company that they own and can define rules for? Shocking...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,295 ✭✭✭n97 mini


    https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/1151203723387047937

    Nope. Here's Gems approaching the Newsworthy person.

    The irony isn't lost on me that a pro Brexit MP was recently lambasted for a comment about any fishing vessel caught in UK waters after Brexit should be given "the Belgrano treatment", and whoever is running that Twitter account has the infamous front page of The Sun about the sinking of the Belgrano as their profile picture.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Hate Speech?
    And yet there are literally thousands of videos spewing hate speech against Whites, Blacks, Catholics, Muslims, LGBT, Trans, Infidels you name it and they are still up and running.

    Maybe contact them and tell them that?
    Like I said youtubes idea of what constitutes hate speech is entirely arbitrary and totally inconsistent.
    This is nothing more than a political move to shut down and silence Gemma likely at the request of the Irish establishment/Media and anyone should be very worried indeed at this development regardless of whether you support Gemma or not.

    Ahhhh here we go down the conspiracy rabbit hole
    Unless of course you are a member of the establishment or on the establishment gravy train which I strongly suspect you are

    :D

    I don't even live in Ireland anymore, what
    part of the "establishment gravy train" do you believe i am a member of?

    I also can't help but notice that you have yet again managed to avoid answering my simple question. What has you so flummoxed that you can't give me an honest reply?


  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Don't do the whole social media thing, this place would be the closest thing to it, but from a professional perspective the only people I know who go the dual/multiple accounts route are professional hackers and even then just for work.

    Outside of that can't see the point of having multiple accounts unless you are a complete ****, someone with a dubious mental health status, or just a troll.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Don't do the whole social media thing, this place would be the closest thing to it, but from a professional perspective the only people I know who go the dual/multiple accounts route are professional hackers and even then just for work.

    Outside of that can't see the point of having multiple accounts unless you are a complete ****, someone with a dubious mental health status, or just a troll.
    Or if a big old bigot. Although likely falls under ****.


  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    batgoat wrote: »
    Or if a big old bigot. Although likely falls under ****.

    It does.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 136 ✭✭FartyBlartFast


    Irish times article was up mere minutes after Gemmas channel was deleted...hmmmmm

    Please do elaborate
    Soros.

    Fin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭Sir Guy who smiles


    Soros.

    Fin.

    Read an interesting snippet in a Sunday paper, David Crosby thought a lady whose affections came between messr. Stills and Nash was an agent of Richard Nixon sent to break the band up because of its counter culture revolutionary potential.
    His manager replied that Nixon probably didn't know who David Crosby was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Do Gemmas supporters support the attempted assault on google staff?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭batgoat


    Do Gemmas supporters support the attempted assault on google staff?

    Only if milkshakes involved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    She was dropped for

    "violations of its policies aimed at protecting against hate speech"

    So now you will have no problem answering my question? Or will you evade again?


    I reported several of her videos. :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭musiknonstop


    I reported several of her videos. :D

    I reported several of her channels :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    listermint wrote: »
    She , nor you nor I have the democratic right to a platform


    The fact that nonsense is now a thing that lunatics like to spread is gas.



    Let me spell it out.


    You have no right to a platform.


    The end

    I explicitly stated this in my post, it's just my political belief that censoring people is scummy. I also believe that online platforms such as YouTube, Twitter etc position themselves as carriers rather than publishers when it suits them, and that it reeks of hypocrisy for them to exercise editorial control in this manner in other circumstances, again when it suits them.

    I'm not saying they don't have a right to do it, I'm saying they shouldn't. Freedom of speech online should be protected at all costs, and yes, now that these platforms have totally monopolised several aspects of online communication, I include them in that. I've never particularly cared about the 'rights' of companies or even agreed that this should be a 'thing' to begin with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Why? Do you think she should be allowed to post whatever she wants in a clear breach of the T&C's she agreed to when signing up?

    Should anyone be allowed post whatever they like?

    In my view, yes. When it comes to political speech, all political opinions should be "protected classes" or whatever and be covered by discrimination laws when it comes to refusing service based on the airing of political opinion. The internet was more fun and more useful to humanity before the recent wave of partisan censorship took hold.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Next for what?

    Simple question for you,

    should Gemma be allowed to post whatever she wants even if its against a sites T&C's that she agreed to when she signed up?

    Sites shouldn't be legally allowed to restrict explicitly political or ideological speech as part of their T&Cs. It's bad for democracy when people aren't free to speak their minds about political issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Sites shouldn't be legally allowed to restrict explicitly political or ideological speech as part of their T&Cs. It's bad for democracy when people aren't free to speak their minds about political issues.

    This isnt merely speaking her mind about politicsl issues. Her videos have been promoting extreme far right hate directed at various minority groups and women. Its bad for democracy when she constantly pushes extreme far right hate targeting certain people and groups.

    Gemma herself isnt even a free speech advocate. She threatenened Fiona O'Leary and Fiona "should be dealt with" for speaking out against her. Gemma also has threatened the jobs of people in the media. Gemma tries to silence anyone who disagrees with her.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Gemma actually had a good interview last night with Justin Barrett. Say what you like like about Gemma but Justin Barrett actually seems like an intelligent man and makes some good points.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Gemma actually had a good interview last night with Justin Barrett. Say what you like like about Gemma but Justin Barrett actually seems like an intelligent man which makes some good points.

    Nah. He's another extreme far right fascist racist who promotes hateful ideology against anyone who isnt a white irish catholic.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    id be a fan of letting ideas be freely discussed but that has to be an open and honest engagement from all sides and the like of GO'D and her ilk want nothing to do with fair and honest debate. they are leeches that run from reason and take zero responsibility for the truth, quality or consequences of their words

    hitching a "free speech" flag to this particular wagon doesnt ring true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,170 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Gemma actually had a good interview last night with Justin Barrett. Say what you like like about Gemma but Justin Barrett actually seems like an intelligent man and makes some good points.

    Intelligent and an insufferable pain in the ring


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    id be a fan of letting ideas be freely discussed but that has to be an open and honest engagement from all sides and the like of GO'D and her ilk want nothing to do with fair and honest debate. they are leeches that run from reason and take zero responsibility for the truth, quality or consequences of their words

    hitching a "free speech" flag to this particular wagon doesnt ring true.

    Agreed. The irony of supporting Gemmas "free speech" when Gemma constantly tries to shut other peoples speech down.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Nah. He's another extreme far right fascist racist who promotes hateful ideology against anyone who isnt a white irish catholic.

    Just like me he dosen't care if you call him a racist it means nothing. I believe there may be a surprise in the next General Election as I do believe the National Party have a chance of gaining seats as they will be running and they will almost certainly get my vote. The current two party situation with FF and FG will not continue there will be a very splintered Dail after the next election which just what we nneed with Brexit.

    Would you say the same about Salvini in Italy or the Polish, Czech or Hungarian governments who just like the NP want to preserve their nations. I'm actually in Italy and it breaks my heart that we don't have politicians like Salvini in Ireland I think I may have to move here in the long run.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Intelligent and an insufferable pain in the ring

    Have you heard what he has to say? Speaks a lot of hard truths if you ask me for example regarding Brexit and Islam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Just like me he dosen't care if you call him a racist it means nothing. I believe there may be a surprise in the next General Election as I do believe the National Party have a chance of gaining seats as they will be running and they will almost certainly get my vote. The current two party situation with FF and FG will not continue there will be a very splintered Dail after the next election which just what we nneed with Brexit.

    Would you say the same about Salvini in Italy or the Polish, Czech or Hungarian governments who just like the NP want to preserve their nations. I'm actually in Italy and it breaks my heart that we don't have politicians like Salvini in Ireland I think I may have to move here in the long run.

    Yes. I would Salvini and Orban are also politicians who's raison detre is based on extreme racist hate. "Preserving nations" is rhetoric designed to demonise and hate. Its vile racist hate.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I explicitly stated this in my post, it's just my political belief that censoring people is scummy.

    Should we allow child pornography then? Instructions on how to build a bomb?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Should we allow child pornography then? Instructions on how to build a bomb?

    They are criminal activities.

    Political opinion like Gemma's is not as yet a criminal activity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Have you heard what he has to say? Speaks a lot of hard truths if you ask me for example regarding Brexit and Islam.


    I listened to every word of at least five videos and took notes. I then deconstructed her arguments and presented these videos with notes on certain time stamps as reports for youtube. I know of several people who did the same.

    Seeing as youtube has taken them down and they would have been seen by a panel of people I feel my judgement was vindicated.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I listened to every word of at least five videos and took notes. I then deconstructed her arguments and presented these videos with notes on certain time stamps as reports for youtube. I know of several people who did the same.

    Seeing as youtube has taken them down and they would have been seen by a panel of people I feel my judgement was vindicated.

    What did she say that you took issue with?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    They are criminal activities.

    Political opinion like Gemma's is not as yet a criminal activity.


    Then you didn't listen to her videos. She was suggesting attacks on minorities. And she promoted hate speech.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Just like me he dosen't care if you call him a racist it means nothing.


    well thats not necessarily true, is it?

    im all for keeping the definitions strictly defined but sometimes when people call you a racist it means that the things you say, do and support could make a casual onlooker believe you may be racist.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Then you didn't listen to her videos. She was suggesting attacks on minorities. And she promoted hate speech.

    I've never seen her videos but id be doubtful if she suggested attacking minorities. And hate speech? What is that these days anyway?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I've never seen her videos but id be doubtful if she suggested attacking minorities. And hate speech? What is that these days anyway?
    Oh she REALLY did.


    And she suggested people send hate mail to mosques.

    Her videos were so long though you would miss it if you weren't careful.

    I wanted to get her so i listened carefully for that little snippet that would breach youtube's rules. Took a while.

    It would be 5 secs in an hr long rant.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭AngryHippie


    Is her state of mind being considered as a mental health issue yet ?

    She's clearly as mad as a bag of spiders.

    People encouraging her are sickos.
    People believing her are deluded or daft.

    For the safety of the general public, she probably should have to undergo a basic psych exam for a while.

    Perhaps some court mandated "lie down on the couch" and "how did that make you feel"

    Poor lady is all over the dial.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭hill16bhoy


    I listened to every word of at least five videos and took notes. I then deconstructed her arguments and presented these videos with notes on certain time stamps as reports for youtube. I know of several people who did the same.

    Seeing as youtube has taken them down and they would have been seen by a panel of people I feel my judgement was vindicated.
    Thank you, you and others did a genuine public service by doing that.

    Hopefully Twitter follow suit very quickly in banning her and her hate speech.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    Looking at recent history, and the way Gerry Adams was mysticised with similar kind of censorship, I'm not sure YouTube's actions will do anything to quell Gemma's appetite. If people don't like what she's saying, just don't listen to her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭micosoft


    Looking at recent history, and the way Gerry Adams was mysticised with similar kind of censorship, I'm not sure YouTube's actions will do anything to quell Gemma's appetite. If people don't like what she's saying, just don't listen to her.

    Actually it will. Gerry Adams was noteworthy and existed without "social media". Gemma O'Doherty lives off the oxygen of social media - without it she and her rancid ideas will wither on the vine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,367 ✭✭✭micosoft


    I've never seen her videos but id be doubtful if she suggested attacking minorities. And hate speech? What is that these days anyway?

    If you'd never seen videos of Hitler etc etc. Are you doubtful that was not hate speech as well? A fellow poster told you they had carefully listened and literally documented the instances of hate speech in her youtube videos.

    What is Hate Speech? It's pretty well defined actually.

    Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act 1989
    • “hatred” means hatred against a group of persons in the State or elsewhere on
    account of their race, colour, nationality, religion, ethnic or national origins,
    membership of the travelling community or sexual orientation
    • Section 2 offence:
    “It shall be an offence for a person—
    (a) to publish or distribute written material,
    (b) to use words, behave or display written material—
    (i) in any place other than inside a private residence, or
    (ii) inside a private residence so that the words, behaviour or
    material are heard or seen by persons outside the residence,
    or
    (c) to distribute, show or play a recording of visual images or sounds,
    if the written material, words, behaviour, visual images or sounds, as the case
    may be, are threatening, abusive or insulting and are intended or, having
    regard to all the circumstances, are likely to stir up hatred.”


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 408 ✭✭SoundsRight


    micosoft wrote: »
    Actually it will. Gerry Adams was noteworthy and existed without "social media". Gemma O'Doherty lives off the oxygen of social media - without it she and her rancid ideas will wither on the vine.

    I think Gemma may have been quite successful before the rise of social media. I doubt she'll lose any sleep over this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭crossman47


    They are criminal activities.

    Political opinion like Gemma's is not as yet a criminal activity.

    But her ant Vax views are just as dangerous as any criminal activity.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think she will become a David Icke type of media celebrity. She attracts a certain fringe element with outlandish claims and conspiracy theories, but after a while her audience becomes bored as her claims become more embarrassing. I feel for her family, it mustn’t be easy to see her being ridiculed so frequently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I wanted to get her so i listened carefully for that little snippet that would breach youtube's rules. Took a while.

    It would be 5 secs in an hr long rant.

    Have you ever read 1984 by Orwell. This is exactly the type of activity that the thought police and big brother would encourage.

    Yes GOD sometimes says things that could be considered extreme. She is careful not to cross the line but she gets carried away during her long live streams and makes bad mistakes. She is going further down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole every day which is actually sad to see. Your actions will do nothing but prove to her, and worse, many others, that there are people out there trying to ‘get’ them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    jackboy wrote: »
    Have you ever read 1984 by Orwell. This is exactly the type of activity that the thought police and big brother would encourage.

    Yes GOD sometimes says things that could be considered extreme. She is careful not to cross the line but she gets carried away during her long live streams and makes bad mistakes. She is going further down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole every day which is actually sad to see. Your actions will do nothing but prove to her, and worse, many others, that there are people out there trying to ‘get’ them.

    people are reporting what she herself is saying yet somehow you think that is a conspiracy against her. If she didnt say these things there would be nothing to report. It is all down to her.


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