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Why do Irish people support English teams?

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  • #52
    Edenmoar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Edenmoar


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    The GAA have a good PR system and ever present in Irish media. And it's very county specific, and everyone is proud of their county.

    Everyone? I can’t stand GAA. I hate how the GAA try and insist it’s part of my heritage, I’ve never had anything to do with it.


  • #53
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    Jog on mate

    I'm not your mate, chum.


  • #54
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    I wasn't even allowed read Roy of the Rovers. True Story. I will get over it. I remember seeing a fight on a Saturday afternoon in a pub in Drimnagh between Liverpool and Man United fans, I will never ever get over the sight of Irish men fighting each other wearing British soccer jerseys.


  • #55
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    Everyone? I can’t stand GAA. I hate how the GAA try and insist it’s part of my heritage, I’ve never had anything to do with it.

    And you'd never support any team, and so the possibility of changing allegiance is irrelevant. County being where they are from not the GAA team.


  • #56
    demanufactured
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    Acrington Stanley.


  • #57
    Ohmeha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    Nothing wrong with supporting English, Scottish, Spanish or any teams from another country

    Though nothing beats going to see your local team in the flesh week in week out.

    Pity the LOI is run like crap, promoted like crap, marketed like crap because I think this country could have a great domestic football product and experience for supporters if the FAI gave any toss about it


  • #58
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    And you can do one, an' all. You Pillock.

    Sling yer hook, mate.


  • #59
    Necro
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,127 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Is it not simply down to what you grew up doing and witnessing in regards to sport etc? Like the Premier League is almost 30 years old now, for context it's older than my wife. It's as ingrained in Irish culture as national sports are due to the marketing. Way more so than LOI, which might be hard to accept but is simply a fact. I know there are some exceptions to the rule as usual where they pick it up in later life but primarily people gravitate towards what their parents, or mates, or extended family do. And there's nothing wrong with that.

    For me I follow Arsenal as I was born in London and lived there for 6 years. Arguably my actual local team should be Leyton Orient, and I do have an affinity with them (keep an eye on their results at least), but most of my family who are North London based are either Spurs or Arsenal, so it was a straight up and simple choice for me, and I landed on the red side and regret absolutely nothing.

    As for LOI, I used to be as a young lad a regular match goer to Sligo Rovers games. Enjoyed it for a little while but truth be told I never got the same buzz out of it. And that was live, whereas most of my Arsenal experiences have been through a television.

    I wouldn't argue either way is better in supporting, people do what they do and it doesn't really bother me that much tbh.


  • #60
    Pauliedragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    demanufactured wrote: »
    Acrington Stanley.
    Who are they?


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  • #61
    Edenmoar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Edenmoar


    Anyway regardless I wish people would try to go to LOI games if you haven’t been because the more people go the better our league will become and this should reflect on our national team too


  • #62
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,460 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    And it's not just Irish people,
    People all over the world support English teams.


  • #63
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I remember seeing a fight on a Saturday afternoon in a pub in Drimnagh between Liverpool and Man United fans, I will never ever get over the sight of Irish men fighting each other wearing British soccer jerseys.

    I honest to god saw a fella squaring up to the ref (on the telly) before. Honest to god. Was a Man United match also as it happens. His mates telling him to leave it. Just mind boggling.


  • #64
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    demanufactured wrote: »
    Acrington Stanley.

    Who are they? :)

    Edit, too slow.

    But not as slow as Omackeral :D (although, he's quick with the ninja edits)


  • #65
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    The Welsh have it worse then us.

    They have clubs playing in the English Premier League


  • #66
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    And you'd never support any team, and so the possibility of changing allegiance is irrelevant. County being where they are from not the GAA team.

    Guess where the people going to see Dundee United are from. Guess where Bolton Wanderers fans are from. Guess where those at Birmingham City are from. Applies to the folks of those locations so why not here at home unless it's GAA?


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  • #67
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    I think it's pretty impossible to support football in this country without liking an English team. So much about supporting sport is association from childhood so I don't have an issue with people liking English teams.

    The only thing I find a bit strange is people that supposedly love football and pride themselves on being Irish but pointedly ignore, or even denigrate, the domestic league at every opportunity.

    Its equally weird to see them effecting the trappings of supporting a local team in a ground but in a pub and the team on question is in a city that at best, most of them will see once or twice if at all.

    Also people that don't watch a football team regularly and just watch on TV but to be fair, I think this is more a generational thing these days.

    Do think it pointless getting worked up about it though. It won't change. Just enjoy what you have.


  • #68
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Necro wrote: »
    For me I follow Arsenal as I was born in London and lived there for 6 years. Arguably my actual local team should be Leyton Orient, and I do have an affinity with them (keep an eye on their results at least), but most of my family who are North London based are either Spurs or Arsenal, so it was a straight up and simple choice for me, and I landed on the red side and regret absolutely nothing.

    You seem to have an actual connection. Makes sense to anyone that you'd support them.


  • #69
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Guess where the people going to see Dundee United are from. Guess where Bolton Wanderers fans are from. Guess where those at Birmingham City are from. Applies to the folks of those locations so why not here at home unless it's GAA?

    Because the best of GAA is local, the best of soccer isnt.


  • #70
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    blade1 wrote: »
    And it's not just Irish people,
    People all over the world support English teams.

    Absolutely... but they don't profess to hate the English national team in the very next breath.


  • #71
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Who are they? :)

    Edit, too slow.

    But not as slow as Omackeral :D (although, he's quick with the ninja edits)

    *heavy scouse accent*

    Exactly!


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  • #72
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    mikemac2 wrote: »
    The Welsh have it worse then us.

    They have clubs playing in the English Premier League

    Sure Celtic are more Irish than any team in Ireland and look where they are.


  • #73
    Edenmoar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Edenmoar


    ill still be watching MOTD later but I was at bohs last night so I’ve served my penance! I don’t even support an English team but like the prem and champs league


  • #74
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Because the best of GAA is local, the best of soccer isnt.

    Suppose people following teams in League One, League 2 and the Conference are just kinda eejits then? Why follow anyone outside the top couple of tiers?


  • #75
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Necro wrote: »
    and I landed on the red side and regret absolutely nothing.

    The last 13 years of Wenger's Arsenal career? :p





























    I know, I know - People in glass houses... :D


  • #76
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Ned Led Zeppo wrote: »
    Is it any wonder that people in this country support soccer in the UK.RTE gives a
    half-an hour of LOI highlights of our Premier division(excluding the other ten teams in the first division),they rarely show a match as it is,it beggars belief.

    To be fair, RTE give it the proportionate amount of coverage its popularly warrants.

    LOI people want it in TV to vindicate our league but its special angle of the league is its live aspect. The community and social side of that doesn't come across on TV and all the TV does is suck people that would go to games away from games if its a poor night etc.

    In terms of new fans, somebody would be far more likely to start going to games on foot of a live game rather than a poorly filmed TV one.


  • #77
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    ill still be watching MOTD later but I was at bohs last night so I’ve served my penance! I don’t even support an English team but like the prem and champs league

    I'd be the exact same as you. Exact same. I think most people who attend LOI matches do support teams in England too though from conversations I've had. That's beauty of it, you can do both. Our games are on Friday nights and the EPL is on Saturdays and Sundays. You can have it all. Doesn't have to be a choice. I'd love if more people thought of it that way.


  • #78
    Avatar MIA
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    Suppose people following teams in League One, League 2 and the Conference are just kinda eejits then? Why follow anyone outside the top couple of tiers?

    The vast majority of those fans would be local. More people started following Sunderland because of the increased Irish connections, but unless there's some connection it's hard to understand why they would.


  • #79
    Edenmoar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Edenmoar


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I'd be the exact same as you. Exact same. I think most people who attend LOI matches do support teams in England too though from conversations I've had. That's beauty of it, you can do both. Our games are on Friday nights and the EPL is on Saturdays and Sundays. You can have it all. Doesn't have to be a choice. I'd love if more people thought of it that way.

    Are you bohs?


  • #80
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    andekwarhola wrote: »
    To be fair, RTE give it the proportionate amount of coverage its popularly warrants.

    LOI people want it in TV to vindicate our league but its special angle of the league is its live aspect. The community and social side of that doesn't come across on TV and all the TV does is suck people that would go to games away from games if its a poor night etc.

    In terms of new fans, somebody would be far more likely to start going to games on foot of a live game rather than a poorly filmed TV one.

    I'd agree with this for the most part. Disappointing that there's a 6 week wait between televised games though. Bohs vs Rovers a few weeks ago was sold out so wouldn't have effected attendance, was on a Monday night and RTE showed re-runs of some show called Young Sheldon. Things like that would annoy you.

    Another thing I've noticed is that there's plenty of foreign fans coming to games lately. A mixture of stags, football tourists and people that live here now. The LOI's grit or simpleness is really a part of its selling point I think. It's a throwback to a product you can't get at the elite levels in Europe. A warts and all type of deal. It's not sanitised to bits. I think that draws a lot of people. The Dublin Derby was sold out 3 weeks before a ball was kicked, that's got appeal beyond this country nowadays and it's a bit surreal because there's people in Phibsboro or Tallaght who wouldn't even know it's on. It's all mad.


  • #81
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    The vast majority of those fans would be local.

    Which is pretty much the case everywhere in the world. Centuries of history usually at play. A Sheffield United fan from Sheffield seeing his team winning the FA Cup would mean more to him than it would to someone from Carlow watching United winning the league on telly.


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  • #82
    Edenmoar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Edenmoar


    We have German, Brazilian and polish Bohs that I know of that are regularly at games. And of course the Gaybohs, love that crest!


  • #83
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Edenmoar wrote: »
    Are you bohs?

    Yeah, was there last night too. Did you not see me? I was the other fella.


  • #84
    Edenmoar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 62 ✭✭Edenmoar


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Yeah, was there last night too. Did you not see me? I was the other fella.

    You’re alright then, **secret handshake**


  • #85
    Avatar MIA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Omackeral wrote: »
    The LOI's grit ... is really a part of its selling point I think.

    My "home team" would be Cork, but the closest LOI stadium to where I live is Limerick. I've threatened to go there many times, but facilities there are pretty basic. Although Anfield road is no suburban dream either and it hasn't stopped me going there (back over with friends for the spurs match).

    Another thing that stops me getting involved is the sheer amateur management of it. How could you get too involved with, say, Cork when they are a season or two away from imploding. :rolleyes:


  • #86
    Ardillaun
    Registered Users Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Who wants to tell him...

    I never queried Georgie's religion as a kid and it didn't arise in the stuff I saw on TV. Much later I discovered he tended to hang out with the Free Staters on the team. From first to last, I always saw him as one of our own despite the misfortune of his original sin.


  • #87
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users Posts: 4,639 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    mikemac2 wrote: »
    The Welsh have it worse then us.

    They have clubs playing in the English Premier League

    We nearly did, thanks to arseholes like Dunphy.


  • #88
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,190 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Ah that old chestnut. Gas how it's never Luton Town or Birmingham City even though the Irish flooded those places.

    My father was a Preston fan because that's where he was based during the war.


  • #89
    demanufactured
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    Pauliedragon wrote: »
    Who are they?

    Exackkkly


  • #90
    pawdee
    Registered Users Posts: 552 ✭✭✭pawdee


    I support Melchester Rovers because my dad played for them back in the 70s.


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  • #91
    barney shamrock
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    Wow, did he know Roy Race well? He was supposed to be a raving coke addled alcoholic cross dressing womaniser in real life.
    Can you ask your dad if any of this is true?
    Would be devastated if it is, he was my hero.


  • #92
    lbc2019
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    Something to make small talk about in school/work


  • #93
    Avatar MIA
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    barney shamrock wrote: »
    Would be devastated if it is, he was my hero.

    Pfft he wasn't fit to tie Billy's Boots!


  • #94
    blade1
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    pawdee wrote: »
    I support Melchester Rovers because my dad played for them back in the 70s.

    And my dad played for Tynecaster Utd.


  • #95
    Gonad
    Registered Users Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Gonad


    We have a great product on our door step . It could be much much better if Irish people supoorted it better . I know it works both ways but if Irish people actually just went to a game every week at home we would be flying

    https://youtu.be/acRQXajXnJw


  • #96
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Then why do the people of Middlesbrough follow Middlesbrough and why do the people of Bristol support Bristol Rovers or Bristol City?

    And why do the people of Manchester follow City ?

    :D


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  • #97
    OldMrBrennan83
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    Stadiums are too bad, clubs don't really bother trying to get new people to show up (probably Bohs aside), and the real cliquey attitude from long term attendees needs a big change, so you're left with watching either league on telly. At that stage I wouldn't blame people going English as the coverage of the LOI here is woeful anyway. I follow our domestic game and not the English one any more but it's not easy find coverage.

    I still can't understand 'loving' an English club though, never did even when I followed it.


    _


  • #98
    IAMAMORON
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    barney shamrock wrote: »
    Wow, did he know Roy Race well? He was supposed to be a raving coke addled alcoholic cross dressing womaniser in real life.
    Can you ask your dad if any of this is true?
    Would be devastated if it is, he was my hero.

    I never believed the cross dressing rumours myself, papers will print anything these days.


  • #99
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    The Irish league is crap. Im not trying to be smart but that is the reason nobody watches it. Look at how a league in Ireland can be run (GAA) compared to how the FAI run the LOI and you will see the reason why


  • #100
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    The Irish league is crap. Im not trying to be smart but that is the reason nobody watches it. Look at how a league in Ireland can be run (GAA) compared to how the FAI run the LOI and you will see the reason why

    Full houses in Richmond and Dalymount last night, someone is watching it


  • #101
    blade1
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I never believed the cross dressing rumours myself, papers will print anything these days.

    I heard Blackie Gray was banging Penny Laine behind Roy's back :eek:


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