Dublin’s traffic it’s a two part problem.

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Why is it a binary thing? Why can't I live 10 miles outside the M50 and have access to decent public transport?

Because that's not what you want.
You want to live 10 miles outside the M50
In a detached house with a big garden
And you want to be able to drive to your public transport connection, and have free, but supervised, parking there
:rolleyes:


There are tens of thousands of people who live outside the M50 but within walking distance of decent public transport - but transport connections mean denser development. Train station and major bus stops are found in towns, not somewhere with a dozen houses in a mile radius.

And if you put a big car park beside a country train station, you are reducing density, making the station less accessible to walkers, making people more likely to drive there, and then complain that there aren't enough parking spaces. (and complain that there is no security in the free car park, but also the train ticket is too expensive :rolleyes:)
There are tens of thousands more people who are within a short (<5k) cycle of a decent public transport connection, but would rather drive and complain.

ELM327 wrote: »

To quote someone I rarely agree with but she's got this one nailed:



Expecting people to cycle to public transport outposts to get to work is frankly risible. Why the hell would we go back to that?

Yeah, quoting Thatcher is a good look...

Why would people cycle to a train station? (Oh, the humanity - cycling 10 minutes to a train station :eek: )

Because they chose to work in Dublin, and live outside Dublin, and don't want to live in a town so it is too far to walk to the station, and can't drive to the station because there isn't free, supervised parking for their car.

Or, sure, they could drive to work. But if they do, they should realize it is a result of their choices, not something they are forced into, and transport (and housing) policy can't, and shouldn't, be built around those choices.

RayCun wrote: »

Yeah, quoting Thatcher is a good look...

Why would people cycle to a train station? (Oh, the humanity - cycling 10 minutes to a train station :eek: )

Because they chose to work in Dublin, and live outside Dublin, and don't want to live in a town so it is too far to walk to the station, and can't drive to the station because there isn't free, supervised parking for their car.

Or, sure, they could drive to work. But if they do, they should realize it is a result of their choices, not something they are forced into, and transport (and housing) policy can't, and shouldn't, be built around those choices.

Or maybe, just maybe, we could just drive to work and the government could build some more roads and butt out!

ELM327 wrote: »

lol wut.


This post is unexpected. I like to drive to work because I am sexually maladjusted? Best tell herself so.:p

yes(not you personally) but it is a factor in modal choice. The car as a status symbol and/or penis extension isn't actually a new discovery, people have sort of laughed about it before, but it is a real phenomenon. I have no doubt that it applies to some of the lads in Audis who think that they deserve to be able to drive through the 24hr bus gate on Bachelors walk.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Sure some posters think all the jobs should be in the city,

Most jobs are in the city. This is a statement of fact, not a wish.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Where are people who cant afford a house in the city or within a 5 minute walk of the train supposed to live and work

But it isn't just that you can't afford to live within 5 minutes walk of the train.
You want to live in a detached house with a ride-on lawnmower.
And it has to be 5 minutes walk. Not 10 minutes walk, or 15. Not 10 minutes cycle. No, your detached house with big garden has to be within 800m of a train station.

And you say other people are unrealistic.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I pass by the bus gate 3-4 times a day every day and of the cars that pass through it , id say 90% of the ones I observe are middle aged women in small renault / toyota hatchbacks, how does your psycology explain that

You're asking me like I invented the theory and/or I'm telepathic. People commit crimes and do illegal things for a variety of reasons. Those women in hatchbacks are to get some nice camera enforced fines in the future.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I really hope so, that is one thing that grinds my gears to the hilt, the even worse ones are the ones that see the light marked 'bus' and try slip in the car lane at the end ,going mad at you beeping and gesturing when you refuse to let them in

My pet hate is people driving up a turning lane then expecting you to let them in when you are actually crossing the junction. This happens a lot going from Burgh Quay to Aston quay crossing the O'Connell bridge junction. Feckers go up the right turn lane and think I'll let them in to go straight on.

Same happens coming up to Butt Bridge by the customs house. I once was queing at the lights waiting to cross the bridge in the rightmost lane and a lad in a Nissan Leaf was to the right of me, illegeally in the right turn only bus lane, maybe he thought electric cars have different rules?? Anyway of course he wanted to go straight on and had the nerve to honk his horn continuously, I stopped the car onfront of him and got out, he wasn't long about reversing, literally.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but for just average joe 30k a year, works in the city, nearest house he can afford is in carragh and is 6-7km from public transport.

Why does it have to be the nearest house he can afford? There are houses that are the same price, further from Dublin but much closer to a good transport link.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Like where , 3 bed houses a few km outside clane are about 225k, how far do you have to go to be near a train station for that money .

Newbridge is more money than that, youd have to go out to longford for that kind of price

The only thing worse than commuting 1.5hr+ from Longford to Dublin that I can think of, would be trying to do it in public transport.
Bleerggh

ELM327 wrote: »

This is the first time I've ever heard an economy Hyundai electric car being described as either a status symbol, or a penis extension.


The only similarity between my EV and a penis extension is the cheap plastic and the electric propulsion

Are you literate? how did you get that from that?

ELM327 wrote: »

I have neither. Thanks. Quite secure in my gender (big hairy bloke) and quite secure in my nationalism and national pride.
Neither of which have anything to do with my desire to drive to work.

If you say so, envoking Maggie and her 1970s hyper capitalist ideals and agreeing with them puts your opinions in quite an odd category.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Celbridge you can ignore patricks park and ballymackealy , both rough as a badgers arse,
Also hazelhatch station is about 2.5-3km outside celbridge with a questionable footpath.

Kildare town fair enough but its still a serious trek away , and that town is so under serviced you still need a car to go to newbridge on the weekend to get anything done , also just checked, that kildare house is a 36 minute walk from the train station

Ah, I see the problem. You've mistaken me for an estate agent :rolleyes:

It took me two minutes to establish that there were properties in Kildare for 225k with 3 beds and close to good public transport links. (Note that I also said within a short cycle of a train station, which both of those are)

If you want to come up with a more detailed list of requirements that a property must meet, and expect me to find them, you can pay me first.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Thats what I want, and as explained before, Im not giving up the car, where the train is makes no odds to me,

but for just average joe 30k a year, works in the city, nearest house he can afford is in carragh and is 6-7km from public transport. Working is that industrial park in naas would be ideal , but it might be too soulless for other posters so how do you propose he gets to the city on a daily basis.

Simple, you don't buy the house, you rent.

P_1 wrote: »

How many hackneyed old capatilist cliches are you going to come out with?

Buying a house is a waste of money, rent one instead
Buying a car and paying insurance is a waste of money, if you need to drive somewhere use GoCar. Otherwise cycle or use public transport

Buying a house, investing in an appreciating asset (over the medium to long term), is not a waste of money,


Perhaps if you could spell "Capitalist" correctly it might further your point but it is irrelevant. I am a capitalist. There's nothing wrong with that. Why should I work and fund someone else's endeavours while they are bone idle?


As for gocar, public transport, cycling etc. Don't make me laugh. If that's what the market wanted then there would be no more privately owned cars.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Buying a house with a long commute to work, schools etc isn't a great long term solution either. Neither is buying a house that is relatively close to your current employer but a very long commute to other employers as if anything happens to your current employer you will have a very long commute to any new potential job opportunities.

Sell and move.

Potentially at a profit.

ELM327 wrote: »

Buying a house, investing in an appreciating asset (over the medium to long term), is not a waste of money,


Perhaps if you could spell "Capitalist" correctly it might further your point but it is irrelevant. I am a capitalist. There's nothing wrong with that. Why should I work and fund someone else's endeavours while they are bone idle?


As for gocar, public transport, cycling etc. Don't make me laugh. If that's what the market wanted then there would be no more privately owned cars.




Sell and move.

Potentially at a profit.

Give it time. More people are waking up to how much of a sham car ownership is. Why would you invest in something that will depreciate the second you buy it

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

There are plenty of downsides to car ownership and it can be pretty expensive. Whilst the depreciation on new cars is crazy, pretty much everything you buy depreciates the moment you buy it. People don't invest in cars (apart from classic cars) they buy them just like they buy washing machines and phones.

True. I guess car ownership is incompatible with urban living. If you're out in the sticks then you're going to need a car. If you're in the city, realistically you won't and owning one becomes an unnecessary expense and also a burden when it comes to finding somewhere to park the thing when it's not in use

Carlingford Locked wrote: »

Well we don't have a metro or any decent transport outside of the Luas or Dart. I'm lucky enough to cycle but I've said it before, I wouldn't live in Ireland if I had to live outside the M50 and drive to work. I'd have to move somewhere with trains etc.
I'm convinced the underground in Dublin wont happen in my lifetime.

Alas I fear the same. Honestly though, it's so frustrating. We have a blueprint literally 300k to our east. Just bleedin copy it lads

ELM327 wrote: »

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Like where , 3 bed houses a few km outside clane are about 225k, how far do you have to go to be near a train station for that money .

Newbridge is more money than that, youd have to go out to longford for that kind of price

The only thing worse than commuting 1.5hr+ from Longford to Dublin that I can think of, would be trying to do it in public transport.
Bleerggh

Crazy huh? Just imagine - being able to snooze, or catch up on email, or post on boards for the duration of your commute.

Cruel and unusual punishment indeed.

cgcsb wrote: »

Barriers to infrastructure improvements in Ireland aren't technical they're political.

And so long as mé Féiner lemmings like eric carman keep voting for ff/fg this cycle is doomed to repeat itself