Waterford acid attack

iebamm2580 · 30-04-2019 9:07pm #1

Just seen on rte 3 teens injured in acid attack last Thursday, one young lad u17 irish soccer player face looked bad and another lad on news at talking about it, think 4 arrested over it, apologies if there is a thread already.

Sir Oxman · 30-04-2019 9:11pm

I'm pissing in the wind here but I've always thought acid attacks should be minimum 10 years - no extenuating circumstances.

iebamm2580 · 30-04-2019 9:13pm

Exactly but they range in age from 16-19 so probably a slap on the wrist, ffs if you are carrying acid around, you are doing so with intent to harm.

30-04-2019 9:14pm

There's something so horrific about it. Disfiguring or blinding someone over a feud, or for a phone or because they dumped you. It's cowardly and vicious and seems like a next-level crime over beating or stabbing.

r93kaey5p2izun · 30-04-2019 9:15pm

I think acid attacks should be treated the same legally as shooting someone with a gun.

pjohnson · 30-04-2019 9:15pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Exactly but they range in age from 16-19 so probably a slap on the wrist, ffs if you are carrying acid around, you are doing so with intent to harm.

Naturally none will be named either so no lasting consequences either.

Courts go out of their way to protect scum like that.

iebamm2580 · 30-04-2019 9:17pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Naturally none will be named either so no lasting consequences either.

Courts go out of their way to protect scum like that.

Id imagine the 19 year old will be named anyway.

Amirani · 30-04-2019 9:19pm

I think it should be penalised in a similar way to rape. It's an extremely serious bodily assault that causes large amounts of physical anguish. As well as this, it causes permanent physical and mental scarring.

iebamm2580 · 30-04-2019 9:20pm

The poor lad that plays for ireland might never get to play at that level again if his eye sight impacted.

Remind me · 30-04-2019 9:21pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

I'm pissing in the wind here but I've always thought acid attacks should be minimum 10 years - no extenuating circumstances.

UK recently (last couple of years) brought in legislation to pass tougher sentences in these sort of cases because they were becoming more regular.

What would the charge be? GBH?

Atoms for Peace · 30-04-2019 9:23pm

While I don't condone it, I can at least understand why somebody would carry a weapon. But it's a special type of scum that carries out corrosive substance attacks.

Andrew00 · 30-04-2019 9:24pm

Perprepator will get a couple of years with final few suspended due to good behavior

Agent Coulson · 30-04-2019 9:26pm

They should have their balls dipped in acid when they are caught.

Punishment and castration all in one so they never get to populate the world with offspring.

Damien360 · 30-04-2019 9:26pm

Amirani wrote: »

I think it should be penalised in a similar way to rape. It's an extremely serious bodily assault that causes large amounts of physical anguish. As well as this, it causes permanent physical and mental scarring.

Although I understand your sentiment, the reality is, rape does not get tough enough sentencing. Too much is based on the victim impact statement, putting huge stress on the victim.

Andrew00 · 30-04-2019 9:26pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

They should have their balls dipped in acid when they are caught.

Punishment and castration all in one to they never get to populate the world.

No the Human Rights and PC brigade wouldn't allow that

EmmetSpiceland · 30-04-2019 9:28pm

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

While I don't condone it, I can at least understand why somebody would carry a weapon.

To attack someone?

Beechwoodspark · 30-04-2019 9:28pm

At least ten years each for the perpetrators

bigroad · 30-04-2019 9:32pm

This is the fault of the minister for justice for not building new prisons.

Timberrrrrrrr · 30-04-2019 9:36pm

bigroad wrote: »

This is the fault of the minister for justice for not building new prisons.

What? How would having a prison built have stopped this attack?

It's the fault of the justice system, kids these days know they can get away with this, they will get a barrister who will sell a sob story and the judge will give lenient sentences.

Noveight · 30-04-2019 9:47pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It's the fault of the justice system, kids these days know they can get away with this, they will get a barrister who will sell a sob story and the judge will give lenient sentences.

True. There is simply no real deterrent for Irish criminals any more.

Judges won't hand down significant sentences to repeat offenders and Gardaí can't batter them.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 30-04-2019 9:48pm

Acid attacks are one of the most knackery things a person can do to another. Pure scumbaggery behaviour.

30-04-2019 9:50pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What? How would having a prison built have stopped this attack?

It's the fault of the justice system, kids these days know they can get away with this, they will get a barrister who will sell a sob story and the judge will give lenient sentences.

There's more to it than that. There's a substantial chunk of the population who lack empathy or any regard for fellow human beings, people who'd stab you for a few quid, who simply don't care. They don't have a conscience, or experience shame, or think of anything other than getting what they want by any means.

Poor parenting of kids who then develop early attachment disorders and don't develop the skills to connect with other people and grow up detached and void of emotion or caring, and then those kids have kids and the cycle goes around and expands with every generation. Drugs and alcohol abuse would be at the start of it, and then it gets to a point where even if it isn't a factor the next generation don't know any better because their backgrounds don't value education or ambition so they make the same mistakes they learned by example ...and repeat ad infinitum.

Absolutely not true of the very vast majority of people in challenged circumstances, just true of a few - but enough to make a mark on the rest of society. A handful of people can cause a lot of misery for many.

And then the justice system fails society with lenient sentences that lead to people not even bothering to report crime, and fails the convicted because there's little meaningful rehabilitation to improve the outcome on release so they subject the rest of society to more criminality and so it goes around and around.

JohnnyFlash · 30-04-2019 9:52pm

The old elephant in the room is that acid attacks are part and parcel of the grime music scene in London and other English cities. You’d hope this is an isolated incident, and not symptomatic of a wider trend.

Bobblehats · 30-04-2019 9:52pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

I'm pissing in the wind here but I've always thought acid attacks should be minimum 10 years - no extenuating circumstances.

It’s still a relatively new phenomenon on these shores, maybe when a trend emerges they’ll have to change the term

It’s not really a crime native to here; but then an increase in such incidences is probably inevitable in itself and so we’ll see what comes.

Hal3000 · 30-04-2019 9:56pm

No political party will tackle sentencing in this country that's well known now. The criminals and thugs here are well of aware of that, hence the spike in crime and the place generally going down the toilet. A campaign to have 3 strike rule is desperately needed here. Now wait for all the responses saying sentencing doesn't work, it's understand why crime occurs is the key......

irishproduce · 30-04-2019 9:56pm

Is this attack a racist attack or was it immigrants attacking each other like in the UK?

Noveight · 30-04-2019 9:59pm

irishproduce wrote: »

Is this attack a racist attack or was it immigrants attacking each other like in the UK?

I have seen reports saying that it was a case of mistaken identity.

wellwhynot · 30-04-2019 9:59pm

irishproduce wrote: »

Is this attack a racist attack or was it immigrants attacking each other like in the UK?

I heard on the news that it was not a racist attack.

El_Bee · 30-04-2019 10:00pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

I'm pissing in the wind here but I've always thought acid attacks should be minimum 10 years - no extenuating circumstances.

You're forgetting, the poor youth(s) responsible have

A difficult home life
Addiction issues
Are/Were promising footballers
Were caught in a moment of madness
Took a wrong turn in life
Fell in with the wrong people
Are deeply troubled youths
Come from an area of deprivation

Probation, maybe a suspended sentence, doubt they'll see the inside of a jail cell.

klaaaz · 30-04-2019 10:00pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What? How would having a prison built have stopped this attack?

It's the fault of the justice system, kids these days know they can get away with this, they will get a barrister who will sell a sob story and the judge will give lenient sentences.

Hal3000 wrote: »

No political party will tackle sentencing in this country that's well known now. The criminals and thugs here are well of aware of that, hence the spike in crime and the place generally going down the toilet. A campaign to have 3 strike rule is desperately needed here. Now wait for all the responses saying sentencing doesn't work, it's understand why crime occurs is the key......

Are you willing to pay higher taxes to put away crims for longer? Many people vote for parties that should the loudest about tax cuts despite the consequences of it cutting public services.

bigroad · 30-04-2019 10:00pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

What? How would having a prison built have stopped this attack?

It's the fault of the justice system, kids these days know they can get away with this, they will get a barrister who will sell a sob story and the judge will give lenient sentences.

Well with more prison space the judge could hand down a custodial sentence instead of letting these repeat offenders off with a suspended sentence free to roam the streets and commit more crime.

Hal3000 · 30-04-2019 10:04pm

It begins..... Mental health issues / higher taxes for prisons / he was a good lad / sentencing doesn't work / mammy wrote a letter .. horsesh*it

Franz Von Peppercorn · 30-04-2019 10:04pm

irishproduce wrote: »

Is this attack a racist attack or was it immigrants attacking each other like in the UK?

They may not be immigrants (as in the U.K.) but it wasn’t a racist attack according to gardai.

dublinman1990 · 30-04-2019 10:04pm

Anyone who carries acid around with the intention of attacking people with it on a public street in this country should face a minimum of 15 years in prison with no exceptions like bail & suspended sentences etc. This should apply to any perpetrator without any exceptions without them having the gall to say in front of a judge that they had a "tough upbringing" or a "hard life". These statements should be discounted immediately when the state applies the sentencing in court.

We, as a society, now have to look at & face up the circumstances of this attack as a way of fast-tracking legislation through our own parliament.

These scumbags carried out this attack on a young man from Waterford who was actually making a really positive contribution to the football community in Ireland. He plays for a national football team at an under age level. That should be an amazing achievement from a guy like him where other people could look up to him with them having the potential to be playing like him in future. He should not have deserved to be attacked with acid under any circumstance if he was a sportsperson or not. Anyone who says otherwise is fundamentally sick in their head. He is now a unfortunate victim of an attack that is so rare & horrifying in where the effects of it have the potential to become permanent to himself & his family.

I will wish all the other victims the best of luck with their injuries especially to that young lad in Waterford.

Hal3000 · 30-04-2019 10:05pm

klaaaz wrote: »

Are you willing to pay higher taxes to put away crims for longer? Many people vote for parties that should the loudest about tax cuts despite the consequences of it cutting public services.

Higher taxes for a safer environment ? Ah .. yeah

The_Kew_Tour · 30-04-2019 10:05pm

Thats awful. Poor fellas way too young and innocent

Poor families too.

Hope the ****(s) who did it are jailed and key thrown away

Franz Von Peppercorn · 30-04-2019 10:06pm

klaaaz wrote: »

Are you willing to pay higher taxes to put away crims for longer? Many people vote for parties that should the loudest about tax cuts despite the consequences of it cutting public services.

Very few parties in Ireland are demanding higher sentences. To be honest the entire Irish political system is broken.

iebamm2580 · 30-04-2019 10:07pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

They may not be immigrants (as in the U.K.) but it wasn’t a racist attack according to gardai.

White teen got acid burns on his legs too so not a racist attack.

PooPooPooPoo · 30-04-2019 10:09pm

In the UK if you carry out an acid attack with life-changing consequences, you will get life imprisonment.

Legislation should be fast-tracked here in Ireland to do the same. It's only going to get worse if dogs like these who carry out such crimes are not locked away.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/people-who-carry-out-life-changing-acid-attacks-face-life-sentences

klaaaz · 30-04-2019 10:12pm

Hal3000 wrote: »

Higher taxes for a safer environment ? Ah .. yeah

Yes, prisons spaces have to be paid for.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Very few parties in Ireland are demanding higher sentences. To be honest the entire Irish political system is broken.

People are demanding appropriate sentencing instead of the revolving door, there are only a fixed number of spaces in prisons despite the population having risen by over a million in 20 years.

peddlelies · 30-04-2019 10:13pm

This type of shíte was unheard of when I was growing up, now it's an epidemic in the UK.

Give it another decade and it'll be the same here in major cities. Need to stamp it out now by imposing long sentences.

Hal3000 · 30-04-2019 10:14pm

PooPooPooPoo wrote: »

In the UK if you carry out an acid attack with life-changing consequences, you will get life imprisonment.

Legislation should be fast-tracked here in Ireland to do the same. It's only going to get worse if dogs like these who carry out such crimes are not locked away.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/people-who-carry-out-life-changing-acid-attacks-face-life-sentences

It's already worse, look at the amount of people that get away with horrific crimes here ? It's in the news on a daily basis. We are a complete joke when it comes to sentencing and nothing is changing.

Atoms for Peace · 30-04-2019 10:15pm

klaaaz wrote: »

Are you willing to pay higher taxes to put away crims for longer? Many people vote for parties that should the loudest about tax cuts despite the consequences of it cutting public services.

What's the going rate for flipping switches?

Hal3000 · 30-04-2019 10:16pm

klaaaz wrote: »

Yes, prisons spaces have to be paid for.

Please read my response to the original question. I would happily contribute more to take absolute scrotes off our streets.

Hal3000 · 30-04-2019 10:18pm

klaaaz wrote: »

Yes, prisons spaces have to be paid for.

People are demanding appropriate sentencing instead of the revolving door, there are only a fixed number of spaces in prisons despite the population having risen by over a million in 20 years.

Revolving door ? Oh you mean the door we have for repeat offenders? The guys with 100 + convictions who are now such positive members of our society ?

klaaaz · 30-04-2019 10:28pm

Hal3000 wrote: »

Revolving door ? Oh you mean the door we have for repeat offenders? The guys with 100 + convictions who are now such positive members of our society ?

Yes, there are severe shortages in detention spaces for youth crime. Oberstown which you might have heard of cannot cater for all the youths committing crime. Intervention in a young persons crime spree(those 100 plus convictions) via rehab, mental health, educational opportunity to help divert juveniles and prison space for the worst offenders all has to be paid for. If there was sufficient resources paid for from our taxes, we wouldn't have all those 100+ convictions crims walking the streets.
This along with lack of overall policing all boils down to lack of paid for resources, cutbacks in public services as the expense of lower taxes for the individual. (our hospitals are the same with lack of beds/staff despite the big rise in population)

Stephen15 · 30-04-2019 10:31pm

irishproduce wrote: »

Is this attack a racist attack or was it immigrants attacking each other like in the UK?

Immigrants attacking each other by the looks of the things the victim was African by the looks of things.

Hal3000 · 30-04-2019 10:33pm

klaaaz wrote: »

Yes, there are severe shortages in detention spaces for youth crime. Oberstown which you might have heard of cannot cater for all the youths committing crime. Intervention in a young persons crime spree(those 100 plus convictions) via rehab, mental health, educational opportunity to help divert juveniles and prison space for the worst offenders all has to be paid for. If there was sufficient resources paid for from our taxes, we wouldn't have all those 100+ convictions crims walking the streets.
This along with lack of overall policing all boils down to lack of paid for resources, cutbacks in public services as the expense of lower taxes for the individual. (our hospitals are the same with lack of beds/staff despite the big rise in population)

Yeah not sure if you read my responses earlier but I already know this and would be glad to contribute more to live in a safer environment...

iebamm2580 · 30-04-2019 10:33pm

The black kid was born here for a start and also a white teen was attacked too so doesn't look like a racist attack at all.

AMKC · 30-04-2019 10:43pm

Absolutely vile and sickening that someone can do this to someone else. I am also of the opinion that anyone using or attempting to use acid as a weapon should be put in prison for at least 15 years with no parole or shortening of the sentence.

Bobblehats · 30-04-2019 10:44pm

iebamm2580 wrote: »

The black kid was born here for a start and also a white teen was attacked too so doesn't look like a racist attack at all.

Ah right, that rules that out.

I was thinking it was a more a cultural kind of attack. Not attributing the culture to a particular race or anything btw do we have a racial profile of the actual perpetrator?! For closure but hey they’re all irish......

Waterford acid attack

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