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Waterford acid attack

iebamm2580

Just seen on rte 3 teens injured in acid attack last Thursday, one young lad u17 irish soccer player face looked bad and another lad on news at talking about it, think 4 arrested over it, apologies if there is a thread already.

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Hal3000

It begins..... Mental health issues / higher taxes for prisons / he was a good lad / sentencing doesn't work / mammy wrote a letter .. horsesh*it

Franz Von Peppercorn

irishproduce wrote: »

Is this attack a racist attack or was it immigrants attacking each other like in the UK?

They may not be immigrants (as in the U.K.) but it wasn’t a racist attack according to gardai.

dublinman1990

Anyone who carries acid around with the intention of attacking people with it on a public street in this country should face a minimum of 15 years in prison with no exceptions like bail & suspended sentences etc. This should apply to any perpetrator without any exceptions without them having the gall to say in front of a judge that they had a "tough upbringing" or a "hard life". These statements should be discounted immediately when the state applies the sentencing in court.

We, as a society, now have to look at & face up the circumstances of this attack as a way of fast-tracking legislation through our own parliament.

These scumbags carried out this attack on a young man from Waterford who was actually making a really positive contribution to the football community in Ireland. He plays for a national football team at an under age level. That should be an amazing achievement from a guy like him where other people could look up to him with them having the potential to be playing like him in future. He should not have deserved to be attacked with acid under any circumstance if he was a sportsperson or not. Anyone who says otherwise is fundamentally sick in their head. He is now a unfortunate victim of an attack that is so rare & horrifying in where the effects of it have the potential to become permanent to himself & his family.

I will wish all the other victims the best of luck with their injuries especially to that young lad in Waterford.

Hal3000

klaaaz wrote: »

Are you willing to pay higher taxes to put away crims for longer? Many people vote for parties that should the loudest about tax cuts despite the consequences of it cutting public services.

Higher taxes for a safer environment ? Ah .. yeah

The_Kew_Tour

Thats awful. Poor fellas way too young and innocent

Poor families too.

Hope the ****(s) who did it are jailed and key thrown away

Franz Von Peppercorn

klaaaz wrote: »

Are you willing to pay higher taxes to put away crims for longer? Many people vote for parties that should the loudest about tax cuts despite the consequences of it cutting public services.

Very few parties in Ireland are demanding higher sentences. To be honest the entire Irish political system is broken.

iebamm2580

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

They may not be immigrants (as in the U.K.) but it wasn’t a racist attack according to gardai.

White teen got acid burns on his legs too so not a racist attack.

PooPooPooPoo

In the UK if you carry out an acid attack with life-changing consequences, you will get life imprisonment.

Legislation should be fast-tracked here in Ireland to do the same. It's only going to get worse if dogs like these who carry out such crimes are not locked away.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/people-who-carry-out-life-changing-acid-attacks-face-life-sentences

klaaaz

Hal3000 wrote: »

Higher taxes for a safer environment ? Ah .. yeah

Yes, prisons spaces have to be paid for.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Very few parties in Ireland are demanding higher sentences. To be honest the entire Irish political system is broken.

People are demanding appropriate sentencing instead of the revolving door, there are only a fixed number of spaces in prisons despite the population having risen by over a million in 20 years.

peddlelies

This type of shíte was unheard of when I was growing up, now it's an epidemic in the UK.

Give it another decade and it'll be the same here in major cities. Need to stamp it out now by imposing long sentences.

Hal3000

PooPooPooPoo wrote: »

In the UK if you carry out an acid attack with life-changing consequences, you will get life imprisonment.

Legislation should be fast-tracked here in Ireland to do the same. It's only going to get worse if dogs like these who carry out such crimes are not locked away.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/04/people-who-carry-out-life-changing-acid-attacks-face-life-sentences

It's already worse, look at the amount of people that get away with horrific crimes here ? It's in the news on a daily basis. We are a complete joke when it comes to sentencing and nothing is changing.

Atoms for Peace

klaaaz wrote: »

Are you willing to pay higher taxes to put away crims for longer? Many people vote for parties that should the loudest about tax cuts despite the consequences of it cutting public services.

What's the going rate for flipping switches?

Hal3000

klaaaz wrote: »

Yes, prisons spaces have to be paid for.

Please read my response to the original question. I would happily contribute more to take absolute scrotes off our streets.

Hal3000

klaaaz wrote: »

Yes, prisons spaces have to be paid for.

People are demanding appropriate sentencing instead of the revolving door, there are only a fixed number of spaces in prisons despite the population having risen by over a million in 20 years.

Revolving door ? Oh you mean the door we have for repeat offenders? The guys with 100 + convictions who are now such positive members of our society ?

klaaaz

Hal3000 wrote: »

Revolving door ? Oh you mean the door we have for repeat offenders? The guys with 100 + convictions who are now such positive members of our society ?

Yes, there are severe shortages in detention spaces for youth crime. Oberstown which you might have heard of cannot cater for all the youths committing crime. Intervention in a young persons crime spree(those 100 plus convictions) via rehab, mental health, educational opportunity to help divert juveniles and prison space for the worst offenders all has to be paid for. If there was sufficient resources paid for from our taxes, we wouldn't have all those 100+ convictions crims walking the streets.
This along with lack of overall policing all boils down to lack of paid for resources, cutbacks in public services as the expense of lower taxes for the individual. (our hospitals are the same with lack of beds/staff despite the big rise in population)

Stephen15

irishproduce wrote: »

Is this attack a racist attack or was it immigrants attacking each other like in the UK?

Immigrants attacking each other by the looks of the things the victim was African by the looks of things.

Hal3000

klaaaz wrote: »

Yes, there are severe shortages in detention spaces for youth crime. Oberstown which you might have heard of cannot cater for all the youths committing crime. Intervention in a young persons crime spree(those 100 plus convictions) via rehab, mental health, educational opportunity to help divert juveniles and prison space for the worst offenders all has to be paid for. If there was sufficient resources paid for from our taxes, we wouldn't have all those 100+ convictions crims walking the streets.
This along with lack of overall policing all boils down to lack of paid for resources, cutbacks in public services as the expense of lower taxes for the individual. (our hospitals are the same with lack of beds/staff despite the big rise in population)

Yeah not sure if you read my responses earlier but I already know this and would be glad to contribute more to live in a safer environment...

iebamm2580

The black kid was born here for a start and also a white teen was attacked too so doesn't look like a racist attack at all.

AMKC

Absolutely vile and sickening that someone can do this to someone else. I am also of the opinion that anyone using or attempting to use acid as a weapon should be put in prison for at least 15 years with no parole or shortening of the sentence.

Bobblehats

iebamm2580 wrote: »

The black kid was born here for a start and also a white teen was attacked too so doesn't look like a racist attack at all.

Ah right, that rules that out.

I was thinking it was a more a cultural kind of attack. Not attributing the culture to a particular race or anything btw do we have a racial profile of the actual perpetrator?! For closure but hey they’re all irish......

Hal3000

AMKC wrote: »

Absolutely vile and sickening that someone can do this to someone else. I am also of the opinion that anyone using or attempting to use acid as a weapon should be put in prison for at least 15 years with no parole or shortening of the sentence.

They know they'll get off or get a suspended so they don't seem to have any problems doing stuff like this. Same way they have no problems tieing up elderly people in their homes or kicking the living crap out of randomers for fun etc etc....

Stephen15

iebamm2580 wrote: »

The black kid was born here for a start and also a white teen was attacked too so doesn't look like a racist attack at all.

Racism can work both ways

Danzy

It is a cultural response and is now part of the rich tapestry of modern Ireland.

Get used to it.

Tea drinker

Hal3000 wrote: »

Higher taxes for a safer environment ? Ah .. yeah

The cost of keeping crminals on the street could be higher. Personal injury claims, lost time from work, property damage. For repeat offenders there will be multiples of thse costs based on the number of detections and successful arrests:
Garda time arrest, process, jail cost, court cost including cost of all court staff and support staff, gardai, solicitors present etc.
Prison service officers for remand etc.
It costs a fortune to re-process and wastes garda time. I don't care about court time they seem to have plenty of it, I do care about the cost!
Lock up repeat offenders especially any hint of violence as it inevitably escalates to serious violence.
Letting animals out to roam free... there's a human cost in suffering, I'll leave that to ye to figure out

Calltocall

A most heinous, abhorrent crime, to scar a young person for life who will always be reminded of their injuries every time they look in the mirror, it’s sickening and sad, one of the greatest scandals of modern Ireland is the lenient sentences being consistently handed out by the judiciary to filth for carrying out horrific crimes, water charges, homelessness, marriage equality aside this to me personally is one of the greatest scandals of our time and it’s something I would march to change. If I heard the dirt that committed this crime got fifty years I wouldn’t bat an eyelid, I would smile and say more of it.

505_

Absolutely horrendous crime, hopefully they perpetrator(s) are caught and see serious prison time.

Chiparus

Reported last week, why are media picking it up now?

no.8

irishproduce wrote:

Is this attack a racist attack or was it immigrants attacking each other like in the UK?

Random Q. Why is it automatically racist when the perpetrator happens to be a different race to the victim? Is it really that straight forward

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no.8 wrote: »

Random Q. Why is it automatically racist when the perpetrator happens to be a different race to the victim? Is it really that straight forward

If it's white-on-black then generally yes.

iebamm2580

Stephen15 wrote: »

Racism can work both ways

a white and black teen were hurt so so that doesn't make any sense in this instance.