rsa supporting e-scooters

magicbastarder · 15-10-2019 10:29am

magicbastarder wrote: »

from what i've seen on twitter, that's a journalist who doesn't know his ass from his elbow. the fine would be for illegally modifying the scooter to be able to exceed 25km/h, not for the actual speeding offence.
there are similar fines for modifying cars illegally, the tweet i saw claimed.

some clarification, this is the law as tabled:

Prohibition of removal of speed limitation device
3.
(1)All electric scooters shall be required to bear a speed limitation device which limitsthe scooter to speeds of 25 kilometres per hour.
(2)It shall be an offence for a person to remove or tamper with the speed limitationdevice on an electric scooter.
(3)A person found guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable for—(a)on summary conviction for a first offence a class D fine,(b)on summary conviction for a second or subsequent such offence, a class C fine.Speed limits for electric scooter users

4.
(1)It shall be an offence for a person using an electric scooter to exceed a speed limit of25 kilometres per hour.
(2)A person found guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable for—(a)on summary conviction for a first offence, a class D fine,(b)on summary conviction for a second or subsequent such offence, a class C fine.

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/bill/2019/72/eng/initiated/b7219d.pdf

What is a class A fine?

Section 3 Fines Act 2010 defines the various classes of fine as follows:

“class A fine” means a fine not exceeding €5,000;

“class B fine” means a fine not exceeding €4,000;

“class C fine” means a fine not exceeding €2,500;

“class D fine” means a fine not exceeding €1,000;

“class E fine” means a fine not exceeding €500;

Therefore any time you see a criminal offence carrying a penalty on conviction ranging from class A to class E fine you will see from the above what the maximum fine can be.

Generally, it is a rare occasion when a Judge will impose the maximum fine.

https://businessandlegal.ie/court-fines-in-irish-law-what-you-should-know

so it appears they've not suggested a fixed fine, but one at the discretion of a judge. curious move.

CramCycle · 15-10-2019 10:34am

magicbastarder wrote: »

so it appears they've not suggested a fixed fine, but one at the discretion of a judge. curious move.

Which is even more bizarre, a FPN would be the only logical way to do this. I suppose knowing they will never get around to getting it through, they can say whatever they want before a GE.

duffman13 · 15-10-2019 10:35am

My ebike has an assisted speed of 25km/h and that is fine, my commute is 16km and it takes about a half hour because the assist is only needed to parts of my cycle and on downhill sections I'm obviously going a fair whack faster than that. I'd obviously like it to go quicker assisted but my commute has already been cut in half since I started cycling and my outgoings for parking etc are now non existent.

If people want something to go quicker whether its a scooter or a bike then buy something that can go quicker and requires tax and insurance.

Utter Consternation · 15-10-2019 10:55am

duffman13 wrote: »

My ebike has an assisted speed of 25km/h and that is fine, my commute is 16km and it takes about a half hour because the assist is only needed to parts of my cycle and on downhill sections I'm obviously going a fair whack faster than that. I'd obviously like it to go quicker assisted but my commute has already been cut in half since I started cycling and my outgoings for parking etc are now non existent.

If people want something to go quicker whether its a scooter or a bike then buy something that can go quicker and requires tax and insurance.

I'm more or less the same with a 12 km commute. The bike is no advantage to me on the way into work as it's downhill and usually with the wind, but it has saved me twenty minutes on the way home. It's fantastic.

I fell off the bike at the weekend (the second day i had it) so i can honestly say i'm happy with the speed being capped at 25kmh. Getting road rash at any higher speed would not be nice and you'd be likely to do serious damage to yourself or others.

unhappyBB · 16-10-2019 12:15am

The indo also says:

Users would also be required to wear a helmet and again would face fines for failing to do so.

Yes helmets are in your own interest. I just don't like the idea of being forced to wear one under penalty of a fine when someone on a bike, capable of going must faster, has a choice whether to wear one or not.

CramCycle · 16-10-2019 12:23am

A couple of things, first, it's the indo and several of the points made are not even close to what's being said. Second it's FF, trying to keep everyone happy by restricting use but also not banning them, they will never get remotely close to implementing even a well thought version of this for 10 to 12 years. Lastly, it's a slightly hot topic on a few social media sites. The general public don't actually give much of a f*CK, FF are just trying to get attention but are too stupid to realise that the general voter has zero f*cks to give about this.

ted1 · 16-10-2019 6:59am

unhappyBB wrote: »

when someone on a bike, capable of going must faster,

A bike wheel is much more forgiving if you hit a small bump or kerb. So the two are very different. Your comparison isn’t right, but your main point is

tomasrojo · 17-10-2019 1:50am

unhappyBB wrote: »

The indo also says:

Yes helmets are in your own interest. I just don't like the idea of being forced to wear one under penalty of a fine when someone on a bike, capable of going must faster, has a choice whether to wear one or not.

Well, we have an entire Megathread about how much they are in your own interest, and making them mandatory on the basis of the current evidence of their efficacy would be unwarranted, given how much laws of that nature hamper uptake.

But, as pointed out, scooters are more unstable than bikes: small wheels, and very high and very forward centre of gravity. The average speed of a cyclist in Dublin, IIRC, is about 12km/h, so most people aren't getting anywhere near 25km/h (present forum company excepted, and allowing for the difference between average speed and average moving speed).

LeeroyJ. · 17-10-2019 8:58am

tomasrojo wrote: »

Well, we have an entire Megathread about how much they are in your own interest, and making them mandatory on the basis of the current evidence of their efficacy would be unwarranted, given how much laws of that nature hamper uptake.

But, as pointed out, scooters are more unstable than bikes: small wheels, and very high and very forward centre of gravity. The average speed of a cyclist in Dublin, IIRC, is about 12km/h, so most people aren't getting anywhere near 25km/h (present forum company excepted, and allowing for the difference between average speed and average moving speed).

I Agree scooters might be a bit more unstable but on Average Scoters arent going faster either, usually between 15 and 20. I scoot along the canal every day and get overtaken by cyclist constantly - Im faster than the chunky dublin bikes but any privately owned decent bike goes much faster than the scooter models you see (majority Xiaomi and Ninebot)

There are few I see that go well above 30kmh, but they are few and far between and will be illegal under the propsed legislation anyway.

blackwhite · 17-10-2019 9:19am

tomasrojo wrote: »

Well, we have an entire Megathread about how much they are in your own interest, and making them mandatory on the basis of the current evidence of their efficacy would be unwarranted, given how much laws of that nature hamper uptake.

But, as pointed out, scooters are more unstable than bikes: small wheels, and very high and very forward centre of gravity. The average speed of a cyclist in Dublin, IIRC, is about 12km/h, so most people aren't getting anywhere near 25km/h (present forum company excepted, and allowing for the difference between average speed and average moving speed).

Whilst I've only ever ridden push-scooters, I can't help but think that the risk of injury from falling is less than it is on a bike.

One of the biggest complicating factors if you fall from a bike, is that the frame is stuck between your legs making it significantly harder to "catch" yourself as you come off.
On a scooter, the rider is going to have a lot more ability to get their feet out and under them which should mitigate the "fall and hit your head" risk that helmets are targeted towards

Stark · 17-10-2019 10:36am

unhappyBB wrote: »

The indo also says:

Yes helmets are in your own interest. I just don't like the idea of being forced to wear one under penalty of a fine when someone on a bike, capable of going must faster, has a choice whether to wear one or not.

Would be worried that a mandatory helmet law for e-scooters would feed into a mandatory helmet law for cyclists eventually as well.

oLoonatic · 17-10-2019 10:54am

My only issue with them is grown adults using them on narrow footpaths. I think its a fantastic idea. I wont go back to commuting by car after cycling for over a year now. The less cars on the road the better as far as im concernced. Anything less than 10k is doable on a bike, but you have people driving to work less than 1km in some cases (mainly my sister in law as an example) We need to break that mould that everyone needs a car.

Yes i am aware that there is a severe lack of infrastructure but we have to start somewhere.

beauf · 17-10-2019 10:57am

Thus far despite the rise in popularity of cycling and it being an ideal solution for transport for a lot of people. With proven experience in other countries.

There seems a lot of hostility against cycling from some quarters and lots of projects seem to be held up and derailed by vested interests who want to keep the status quo and keep us rooted in a car centric culture which no longer works for a lot of people.

The helmet argument is another one of those. Dublin bikes would not be the success it is if a helmet law had been imposed on it.

However scooters are not the same as bicycles. So we should look to other countries experience with scooters rather than copying cycling laws. But be aware that some will use any changes for scooters as a means to attack and discourage cycling.

CramCycle · 17-10-2019 12:51pm

blackwhite wrote: »

Whilst I've only ever ridden push-scooters, I can't help but think that the risk of injury from falling is less than it is on a bike.

One of the biggest complicating factors if you fall from a bike, is that the frame is stuck between your legs making it significantly harder to "catch" yourself as you come off.
On a scooter, the rider is going to have a lot more ability to get their feet out and under them which should mitigate the "fall and hit your head" risk that helmets are targeted towards

Its the risk rating, the damage might be less but the probability is probably a fair bit higher. On the same note, my memory tells me that those who present with injuries from scooter accidents are typically half head injuries. Now that discounts alot of falls and injuries were nothing happens but the data is there to say that head injuries do occur and are numerous enough to be noted.

Long story short, Severity is possibly alot lower but the probability is alot higher. So it maybe more or less risky than cycling,depending on how you weight such things.

TheChizler · 17-10-2019 1:04pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Its the risk rating, the damage might be less but the probability is probably a fair bit higher. On the same note, my memory tells me that those who present with injuries from scooter accidents are typically half head injuries. Now that discounts alot of falls and injuries were nothing happens but the data is there to say that head injuries do occur and are numerous enough to be noted.

Long story short, Severity is possibly alot lower but the probability is alot higher. So it maybe more or less risky than cycling,depending on how you weight such things.

No offence meant but that's totally meaningless without absolute numbers and something to compare it to. Saying half of all injuries are head injuries sounds huge but if there are feck all injuries happening overall it's not something to worry about. Half a tiny number is still a tiny number.

Of course it might be a massive number, I don't know.

1bryan · 17-10-2019 2:46pm

I was in a part of Miami last month where they have 3 shared E-Scooter schemes running (companies running them are Uber, Lyft and Spin) where, basically, you scan a QR code on the stem, via their app, and off you go. The scooters are just left randomly on the path, in parks, outside shops, cafes, etc.

While that's a bit ahead of where the discussion here is at, what I found most interesting was to observe an environment where they were ubiquitous and legal, and let me tell you, it was an unmitigated disaster. People were flying up and down paths, going up the wrong side of the road, I saw one guy lose control and swing the scooter into the door of a parked car. The locals there absolutely hate it (apart from the kids, who love it). But it was a good insight into how Dublin might be, were these to become more prominent on the streets here.

CramCycle · 17-10-2019 2:54pm

TheChizler wrote: »

No offence meant but that's totally meaningless without absolute numbers and something to compare it to. Saying half of all injuries are head injuries sounds huge but if there are feck all injuries happening overall it's not something to worry about. Half a tiny number is still a tiny number.

Of course it might be a massive number, I don't know.

Numbers are available for the states, looks higher than cycling, stick scooter and head injury into google,the per 100.000 km metric ws in the first few hits for me

Tenzor07 · 17-10-2019 3:08pm

1bryan wrote: »

I was in a part of Miami last month where they have 3 shared E-Scooter schemes running (companies running them are Uber, Lyft and Spin) where, basically, you scan a QR code on the stem, via their app, and off you go. The scooters are just left randomly on the path, in parks, outside shops, cafes, etc. While that's a bit ahead of where the discussion here is at, what I found most interesting was to observe an environment where they were ubiquitous and legal, and let me tell you, it was an unmitigated disaster. People were flying up and down paths, going up the wrong side of the road, I saw one guy lose control and swing the scooter into the door of a parked car. The locals there absolutely hate it (apart from the kids, who love it). But it was a good insight into how Dublin might be, were these to become more prominent on the streets here.

Scooter rental/apps seem to be quite popular in a couple of cities I visited recently, and particularly congested ones that make Dublin's traffic look like a Sunday morning.... Electric bikes with throttle assist were also extremely popular in one city which didn't have a light rail or a good train system...

I believe a lot more people would switch to eScooters as you can move along without having to break a sweat and can fold up the scooter if it's your own or just leave outside your office for rentals.

They are a great way to save your feet, and would be perfect for tourists who may come from cities which have these schemes already.

If we want to break the dominance of Car traffic in our city centers then something more will need to be done to facilitate eBikes or Scooters.

JMcL · 17-10-2019 3:12pm

1bryan wrote: »

I was in a part of Miami last month where they have 3 shared E-Scooter schemes running (companies running them are Uber, Lyft and Spin) where, basically, you scan a QR code on the stem, via their app, and off you go. The scooters are just left randomly on the path, in parks, outside shops, cafes, etc.

While that's a bit ahead of where the discussion here is at, what I found most interesting was to observe an environment where they were ubiquitous and legal, and let me tell you, it was an unmitigated disaster. People were flying up and down paths, going up the wrong side of the road, I saw one guy lose control and swing the scooter into the door of a parked car. The locals there absolutely hate it (apart from the kids, who love it). But it was a good insight into how Dublin might be, were these to become more prominent on the streets here.

Pretty much mirrors my observations in Paris during the spring. Piles of the things just dumped whereever (I think Lime one one other - can't remember which - operate there). Speeding adults on the (crowded) footpath. Since they operate per minute pricing - unlike the Dublin Bike model where you get half an hour "free" - this can only encourage both speeding (get there quicker) and dumping (get rid of it ASAP)

Not against them as a mode of transport per-se, but do have issues with that particular business model

Utter Consternation · 17-10-2019 3:20pm

JMcL wrote: »

Pretty much mirrors my observations in Paris during the spring. Piles of the things just dumped whereever (I think Lime one one other - can't remember which - operate there). Speeding adults on the (crowded) footpath. Since they operate per minute pricing - unlike the Dublin Bike model where you get half an hour "free" - this can only encourage both speeding (get there quicker) and dumping (get rid of it ASAP)

Not against them as a mode of transport per-se, but do have issues with that particular business model

I think if the same model was used in Dublin the company that owns them would spend all their days fishing them out of the Liffey and canals.

beauf · 17-10-2019 3:26pm

Hence the issues with Bleeper.

Tenzor07 · 17-10-2019 3:28pm

Utter Consternation wrote: »

I think if the same model was used in Dublin the company that owns them would spend all their days fishing them out of the Liffey and canals.

That seems to be the culture in certain parts of the UK & Ireland, and the lack of Police numbers, and the high levels of repeat offenders roaming the streets freely. No consequences to anti-social behavior in Ireland as opposed to other countries where Scooter schemes work.

I could imagine that any scooter rental companies would find their Scooters in a huge bonfire somewhere or in the canals as you say.

TheChizler · 17-10-2019 3:28pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Numbers are available for the states, looks higher than cycling, stick scooter and head injury into google,the per 100.000 km metric ws in the first few hits for me

Had a quick look and can only see some rough stats per trip, you'll have to do your own research :P

Utter Consternation · 17-10-2019 3:38pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

That seems to be the culture in certain parts of the UK & Ireland, and the lack of Police numbers, and the high levels of repeat offenders roaming the streets freely. No consequences to anti-social behavior in Ireland as opposed to other countries where Scooter schemes work.

I could imagine that any scooter rental companies would find their Scooters in a huge bonfire somewhere or in the canals as you say.

That's just it. I was Austria years ago, cannot remember the name of the village i was in, but there were plastic folders with newspapers in them nailed to telephone poles. The locals would put their money into the open folder and take a paper out. It was done on a trust basis.

Can you imagine trying to do something like that here? :eek::eek:

Stark · 17-10-2019 5:18pm

Would never work here

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Rx713B · 17-10-2019 5:29pm

i think there great

Tenzor07 · 17-10-2019 5:56pm

Stark wrote: »

Would never work here

In fairness that water stand is at the Airport, full of CCTV cameras and security staff, try putting that around the city centre and see what happens...

LeeroyJ. · 21-10-2019 9:12am

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/most-political-parties-side-with-government-against-ff-e-scooter-bill-1.4054359

kicking the can down the road again.

Eamonnator · 21-10-2019 9:18am

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/most-political-parties-side-with-government-against-ff-e-scooter-bill-1.4054359

kicking the can down the road again.

Even with a couple of Fianna Fail TDs voting for absentees, they could only muster 32 votes.

21-10-2019 9:38am

Under the Bill, the scooters would not require either a licence or insurance but helmets would be compulsory for users

The helmets thing doesn't sit well with me. I'd worry about cycling getting lumped in with scooters in the future and helmets becoming mandatory. I do wear a helmet on the bike for what it's worth but thats my choice to make.

rubadub · 21-10-2019 9:46am

Utter Consternation wrote: »

I think if the same model was used in Dublin the company that owns them would spend all their days fishing them out of the Liffey and canals.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I could imagine that any scooter rental companies would find their Scooters in a huge bonfire somewhere or in the canals as you say.

Similar was said about dublin bikes, I think it is more likely with escooters as I guess they are more fragile and would become a test of strength for scumbags, and throwing contests. However rather than mindless vandalism I was wondering about theft. A dublin bike is not going to fetch much trying to sell it! but I wondered if part of the escooters get sold, like the battery must be worth a bit.

https://www.quora.com/What-s-stopping-people-from-stealing-the-Bird-or-Lime-scooters

There is a GPS device and an alarm in each escooter. Most people are too lazy to disable them.

However, some are not. You can buy $30 kits to disable the GPS and basically make a Bird scooter your own. In fact, you can easily find stolen escooters for sale on the web.

Many people are stealing escooters and turning that into a steady source of income. I heard companies like Bird can afford to lose up to 10% of their escooters before it becomes unprofitable for them to do business, though.

INSIDE THE LAWLESS NEW WORLD OF ELECTRIC-SCOOTER HACKING

The helmet thing worries me, I would say 97%+ of the public are completely ignorant and the pros & cons -thinking there are absolutely no cons at all. It would be the end of dublin bikes if it came in for bicycles, those involved with dublin bikes would know this and fight it.

1bryan · 21-10-2019 9:49am

one difference between the schemes I saw for e-scooters in the US, and Dublin Bikes, is that there are no docking stations. The scooters are just left randomly on the pavement. If a Dublin bike goes missing while you have it checked out, you assume responsibility for it. While it's docked, it's secure.

The E-scooter thing might work, were they to install docking stations. But it's definitely higher risk than the Dublin Bikes scheme.

tomasrojo · 21-10-2019 7:29pm

1bryan wrote: »

one difference between the schemes I saw for e-scooters in the US, and Dublin Bikes, is that there are no docking stations. The scooters are just left randomly on the pavement. If a Dublin bike goes missing while you have it checked out, you assume responsibility for it. While it's docked, it's secure.

The E-scooter thing might work, were they to install docking stations. But it's definitely higher risk than the Dublin Bikes scheme.

Yes, the elegance of the docking design is understimated, I think. But it does have a much larger up-front requirement for investment. Worth it though.

21-10-2019 11:45pm

Few cases before the courts for no insurance. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/first-cases-of-riding-e-scooters-without-insurance-brought-to-court-1.4057797?fbclid=IwAR1a-ptQDaiJKUXQ0eUzvsA83JHcOBreFrTxOdarbLli6f6ExFbx4ekXW58&mode=amp

ExoPolitic · 26-10-2019 8:56am

Deleted User wrote: »

Few cases before the courts for no insurance. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/first-cases-of-riding-e-scooters-without-insurance-brought-to-court-1.4057797?fbclid=IwAR1a-ptQDaiJKUXQ0eUzvsA83JHcOBreFrTxOdarbLli6f6ExFbx4ekXW58&mode=amp

Lets hope the barrister is good, if they set a precedence favouring the rider then there will be no need for the "law to change"... they will of been legal all along.

magicbastarder · 26-10-2019 10:31am

i'm not sure the law is that flexible enough for a hot shot barrister to find a glaring loophole in it. i wonder if the clarification the second chap's barrister is seeking, is in relation to electric mobility scooters, and it'd be tough to argue that his client was in medical need of such a mobility aid. and they may have a completely different and specific set of regs anyway.

rubadub · 26-10-2019 4:53pm

ExoPolitic wrote: »

Lets hope the barrister is good, if they set a precedence favouring the rider then there will be no need for the "law to change"... they will of been legal all along.

Can't see that happening. Does any country allow the use of unicycles on the public roads?

Sergei Maslov (45), of Glashaus apartments, Tallaght, Dublin 24, was charged with riding a “black electric unicycle” on March 27th of this year on Templeogue Road, Templeogue, Dublin 6W, without insurance, contrary to the Road Traffic Act 1961.

Think I have only heard of scooters. Also does any country allow escooters and not had to make a change to the law? -i.e. they were legal all along? I guess they might fall under throttled electric bikes some place who might allow those.

magicbastarder wrote: »

electric mobility scooters, and it'd be tough to argue that his client was in medical need of such a mobility aid. and they may have a completely different and specific set of regs anyway.

Most countries have speed limits on electric wheelchairs, and from the ones I was reading up you did not need to prove you needed it -which makes sense as it would be another load of red tape. I saw one site saying we did have a speed limit here, but another seemed to say otherwise.

beauf · 26-10-2019 6:16pm

Mobility vehicles have their own class.

rubadub · 26-10-2019 6:55pm

http://www.assistireland.ie/eng/Information/Information_Sheets/Mobility_scooters.html

Mobility scooters come in two categories, Class 2 and Class 3. The differences in weight and power (and thereby speed) of the two enable them to be used in different environments.

Class 2:
are generally smaller, lighter and less powerful;
can be designed for indoor and/or outdoor use. If for indoor use, they will have limited outdoor use and less distance range;
some can be dismantled or folded for transporting;
cannot be used on the road (except where there is no pavement or to cross the road);
outdoor models have the ability to climb kerbs;
have a top speed of 4miles/hour (6.44km/hour);

Class 3:
are generally bigger, heavier and more powerful;
are not for indoor use;
can be used on the road;
have a longer distance range;
cannot be dismantled;
have a number of additional safety requirements to allow road use;
have a top speed of 4 miles/hour (6.44 km/hour) off the road and 8 miles/hour (12.9 km/hour) on the road;

JMcL · 30-10-2019 12:48pm

rubadub wrote: »

Can't see that happening. Does any country allow the use of unicycles on the public roads?

They were all the rage in Paris last year, though I saw fewer of them this year as e-scooters seemed to be all over the place. Now whether they're allowed is another matter!

magicbastarder · 14-11-2019 7:21pm

i saw a bit of a hybrid today - from a distance, i thought it might have been a fold up bike, or else one of those sit on scooters - but this had a crankset and the various gubbins a bike would require. but then i saw it accelerate without the chap on it pedalling, so clearly a completely illegal e-bike, but one that might 'fool' the gardai. wheels were maybe about 10" i'd say.

ED E · 14-11-2019 7:27pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

i saw a bit of a hybrid today - from a distance, i thought it might have been a fold up bike, or else one of those sit on scooters - but this had a crankset and the various gubbins a bike would require. but then i saw it accelerate without the chap on it pedalling, so clearly a completely illegal e-bike, but one that might 'fool' the gardai. wheels were maybe about 10" i'd say.

Sounds like these
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Thargor · 14-11-2019 8:11pm

I'll be building a stealth motorbike like that soon once range and prices improve a bit more, the technology is surging ahead, literal monthly improvements if you keep an eye on the ebike forums. It's really only range holding me back tbh, any journey under 50k is just easier on the roadbike and obviously better for me. Looking for something with a nice cruising speed (is illegal) and 100k range minimum.

CramCycle · 14-11-2019 9:51pm

I seen what looked like a Trek eMTB come through Shankill the other day, battery filled the triangle of the frame. As he went down the other side of the road at about 40kmph I realised he wasn't pedalling. It was an ebike which looked enough like a bike that it would fool the Gardai. Only the speed and the lack of pedalling made it obvious. More obvious to a cyclist, most cars wouldn't even cop it

tomasrojo · 15-11-2019 8:56pm

Sorry, But E-Scooters Are Still Not Scary

Basically, out of something like three million (!) scooter trips in a densely populated area of Southern California there were two severe injuries, a safety record of which even an ordinary household staircase would be envious.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2405475/e-scooters-not-bad

Also, apparently, shared scooters have a higher injury rate than shared bikes, but are also more popular and that popularity gap is widening.

Markcheese · 15-11-2019 11:11pm

CramCycle wrote: »

I seen what looked like a Trek eMTB come through Shankill the other day, battery filled the triangle of the frame. As he went down the other side of the road at about 40kmph I realised he wasn't pedalling. It was an ebike which looked enough like a bike that it would fool the Gardai. Only the speed and the lack of pedalling made it obvious. More obvious to a cyclist, most cars wouldn't even cop it

I assume it'll get taken off him if it gets found out,
(I've no major problem with bigger motors and a throttle that'll allow guys to do around 25/ 30 kph, but I don't really have much sympathy for anyone who gets busted taking the piss either)

CramCycle · 15-11-2019 11:14pm

Markcheese wrote: »

I assume it'll get taken off him if it gets found out,
(I've no major problem with bigger motors and a throttle that'll allow guys to do around 25/ 30 kph, but I don't really have much sympathy for anyone who gets busted taking the piss either)

I loved the way he got dressed up as what I imagine American TV or a Halfords ad picture a MTBer to look like. Al that and he forgot to pedal to hide what he was at.

16-11-2019 12:01am

Markcheese wrote: »

I assume it'll get taken off him if it gets found out,
(I've no major problem with bigger motors and a throttle that'll allow guys to do around 25/ 30 kph, but I don't really have much sympathy for anyone who gets busted taking the piss either)

I've seen a young guy here in Drogheda not take the piss and has his mtb fitted with a conversion kit, not throttled that I could see so has to peddle and does a steady pace up hill ahead and away from me. Not sure what the kit goes for 300 or so maybe?

Anyway it's strapped to an Apollo Slant, the cheapest bike Halfords have to offer

Laugh I might but it's doing the job if he's pulling away from me on a 3-4% hill

rubadub · 03-12-2019 10:17am

rubadub wrote: »

Another from them here showing a commute on the N11. Starts off in Kilbogget park, then goes the wrong way on a cycle lane for a bit

Saw a guy being nabbed by a garda on the N11 this morning at cornelscourt, possibly this lad on the monowheel.

Just here https://goo.gl/maps/s4FkAo6Yti8HDyqH9 (I love the fact google maps reveals all the non compliant election posters!).

It seems to me the garda was possibly laying in wait for him, I have travelled on that road since it opened and have never seen gardai at that point. They would be at cabinteely as there is a garda station there and people crossing etc.

After that an ambulance passed me and I guess got blocked at whitescross as the bus lane was packed with cars again, like one I saw recently. No garda there of course.

I wondered if they want it in the papers that they are being seized before xmas to put people off considering getting them. I warned another woman on an escooter later.

JMcL · 03-12-2019 11:31am

rubadub wrote: »

I wondered if they want it in the papers that they are being seized before xmas to put people off considering getting them. I warned another woman on an escooter later.

The Xiaomi ones are being sold in both Halfords and Harvey Norman - I think the latter had a big discount on them last week. Nary a mention of the legal status of them that I could see

rsa supporting e-scooters

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