General Star Trek thread

Goodshape wrote: »

Why they ever thought to pretend that guy was French is anyone guess.

I think it was set in before casting was finalised... originally they had Belgian actor Patrick Bauchau (from A View to a Kill) in mind for Picard.

Actually millions? That would be pretty small scale for a galaxy wide event.

If they hadn't already ruined Section 31 via excessive mustache twirling Bashir at the head or as an agent of the 25th century version could have potential as long as they steer clear of another Galaxy ending threat.

Rawr wrote: »

I wonder if these thoughts are related to apparent reports that Voyager has been getting a lot more views on Netflix lately compared to other legacy Trek shows. Been doing a marathon of it myself.

Voyager on Netflix is weird. I watch TNG, DS9, and Enterprise much more often than Voyager but Voyager is always in my "because you watched anything vaguely science fiction" recommendations.

Evade wrote: »

If they hadn't already ruined Section 31 via excessive mustache twirling Bashir at the head or as an agent of the 25th century version could have potential as long as they steer clear of another Galaxy ending threat.

Before Discovery I might have been interested in a S31 show, especially since it might offer a way to expand the Trek universe beyond the usual Starfleet ops that we're normally treated to. You could even go into exploring this bizarre balance in the Federation's defense between the ruthless cynicism of S31, verses the generally optimistic outlook of the normally peace-keeping explorers of Starfleet.
Loads to explore and think about in that setup.

However, after Discovery I don't trust these people to get anything like that right. Their S31 came across as a cartoonishly evil League of Cloak & Dagger Anti-heroes, who's main point appeared to be as a shallow threat for the Discovery crew to overcome. This silly secret organisation, which advertised themselves with their own Comm-badge, had their own starship variant that could be identified by Starfleet computers, and even went as far as to have their agents actually *tell* a bridge staff that they are a super secret space spy.....
S31 just annoys me now.

I have little reason to believe that a Secret Hideout produced S31 show wouldn't be more of this, but on steroids...

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

Case in point, the fleet!

* I liked it too, though the fleet was a massive disappointment!

Needed at least one Miranda Class :P

(Those things appear to last forever )

Evade wrote: »

I'd forgive STD season 3 for a lot if there was a 500 year old beat up Miranda still around.

I doubt it would be 500 years old somehow but maybe 300 years old it would have been the perfect ship to use instead of the crappy ship they did have them flying around in. Surely can not be that hard to automate must of the systems on a Miranda class if Scotty could do it on the Enterprise

Actually I read wrong. Thought you were talking about Picard. Ye some in STD3 would be cool.

At least one got destroyed during Wolf 359 as well.

Evade wrote: »

It'd probably be a lot older. I though STD3 was set in 29XX but it's 31XX so Miranda's would be about 900 years old by then.

I read it wrong. My mistake. Thought he was talking about having some in Picard which they should have had. In fact the ship Picards crew was on should have been one. That would have made it a lot more interesting. There is an interesting idea if someone has the skill to do that on You Tube put a Miranda in instead of the crappy ship they had in it for the outside shots anyway.

Evade wrote: »

I'd forgive STD season 3 for a lot if there was a 500 year old beat up Miranda still around.

Maybe it turns out that the Federation had been destroyed by a fleet of Zombie Mirandas, who have attained sentience and are now out for revenge for years of mistreatment by Starfleet

Being over 100 years old isn't an indication of it being obsolete. In the real world both the M1911 pistol and M2 Browning heavy machine gun are over 100 years old. If you want a more complex example, the F-16 and A-10 designs are pushing 50, the Enterprise (aircraft carrier) made it to 50 years old and all Nimitz class aircraft carriers should still be in service by their 50th birthdays too.

We saw that with the Lakota in DS9, and the Excelsior class would have been coming on stream only slightly later than the Miranda class. And with those upgrades the Lakota was able to fight the Defiant to a standstill.

Have you ever wondered in BoBWs how much damage the Enterprise would have done to the Borg Cube if it had of went at warp into it. I myself think at most only 50 or 60 per cent of the Cube would have been destroyed but it would have regenerated and rebuilt unless other ships came to finish it off.
Also when Data and Worf are on the Cube retrieving Picard the Borg seem slow to adapt there unlike every other time they were attacked where the second drone would have a shield.

I don't think they've ever had a warp speed ram into a subwarp ship in Star Trek so it probably doesn't work. Jem'Hadar fighters do it subwarp and the Defiant was subwarp when Worf ordered ramming speed in First Contact.


If it did work doing it before they rescued Picard would have done more damage than after because the Enterprise used up some antimatter as a screen for the rescue shuttle.

An exploding warp core is just a really big photon torpedo.

Don't know about one ship, what about the huge starbase orbiting Earth?

The Borg must have always attacked Earth from the opposite side to Spacedock because it isn't seen in either attack. That's definitely it and not that the writers forgot about it.

Just finishing my binge watch of Voyager the other day. It was usually great background stuff to listen to while I did housework.

I noticed a while back, and even mentioned here, that I think I gave Voyager too much of a hard time back in the day. Seasons 5 and 6 were really solid Trek, and a lot of the older stuff was pretty good too.

I watched nearly every single episode, skipping only a handful episodes (Fairhaven...:mad:)....until I reached Season 7. It had some pretty good two-parters in there, but I couldn't find myself watching most of the season. I ended up skipping almost everything except for the 2-parters. I'm starting to wonder if this is why I had such a lingering negative impression of Voyager. Could it be down to a very weak Season 7? I'm starting to think that if the show finished in Season 6, would I have fonder memories.

I've ranted about Endgame before, but 2 things came up again on this rewatch.
-Why the hell did the Borg Queen just let Voyager go when she had 50 cubes available in that nebula to go and get them? We know that Federation starships can't outrun a Cube. She could have easily gotten Voyager assimilated without exposing that trans-warp hub. Just chase them down and get them.
"I'll keep an eye on them..." FFS, and then patching that plot-hole by having her claim that she's doing Seven a favor by not attacking Voyager? If she liked Seven so much then she should just assimilate the ship, she's tried this before...

Also...that very ending was probably the most depressing anti-climax I've seen in a Trek show (until possibly ENT's ending). We spent 7 years with them getting home...and all we get are a handful of seconds of Voyager approaching Earth with some ships joining her. They showed us a bit of a home-coming in the alternate future, but it feels like they should have done something here too. Have Voyager land on Earth, near Starfleet Command or something. The ending we got just felt very muted.

...also...Harry's speech is one the cheesiest things I've seen on that show.

...*Also*....what happened when Neelix tried to call Seven the following day to play more Space Blockbusters? Would he still be able to call the Alpha Quadrant on that system? He probably thinks they're all dead now...

So yea....Voyager deserved better from this Trekkie, it's just a pity they couldn't stick the landing.

I assumed she picked the time she did because of how close Voyager was to the Transwarp Hub.