Beef Plan Movement (READ OP BEFORE POSTING)

I says · 16-12-2018 1:40am

Grueller wrote: »

I was at a weddong with a two day free bar too. Biggest tramps I ever had anything to do with and they were a solicitor and a doctor. Arrogant elitist sh1ts.

You’ve hit the nail on the head.

Muckit · 16-12-2018 9:05am

Did ye discover it at the end of the 2 days when all the beer was drank or did ye know before ye went?!!!

And sure if ye were invited ye must be related or friends!

Grueller · 16-12-2018 9:17am

Muckit wrote: »

Did ye discover it at the end of the 2 days when all the beer was drank or did ye know before ye went?!!!

And sure if ye were invited ye must be related or friends!

1st cousin of the wife. She never said a word before ot to be fair so I could make up my own mind.
Edit to say, My wife has two uncles that are very high powered executives, one in the states and one in Ireland. Guy in the US has salary of over 2.5 million a year plus stock optionns and bonuses. Soundest man you ever met and his wife the same. You would throw them a fiver if you didn't know them.
This other uncle and his daughter, the solicitor above spent their lives in a plain ordinary 3 bed semi. Uncle is sound but the daughter went to Dublin, met a doctor, developed a D4 accent and turned pretentious over a long weekend. Go figure.

wrangler · 16-12-2018 9:29am

Grueller wrote: »

1st cousin of the wife. She never said a word before ot to be fair so I could make up my own mind.

Our crowd were sound.... young lads with loadsamoney and lovely cars, OH was surprised at the state of the loos alright
I've another one in scotland in May, a navy Doctor......that might be interesting alright.

Muckit · 16-12-2018 11:10am

wrangler wrote: »

I've another one in scotland in May, a navy Doctor......that might be interesting alright.

They'll be all playing the bagpipes and you'll be busy blowing your own trumpet!!

patsy_mccabe · 16-12-2018 3:08pm

A long time ago, I worked at a holiday resort on Long Island, New York on a J1 visa. Got talking to the guy that owned it one night. He used to go around colleccting the empty drink cans from the rubbish bags. They were worth 5C each. The clothes he was wearing were even from the trash. He reckoned he made about £250k from trash in his lifetime. I was a student at the time and short of cash and I was laughing at him when he was telling me all this.
The resort was sold a few years back for £70 million and he was a multi millionaire even back then. It takes all sorts, I suppose. Looking back it was the best job I ever had. The money I saved there put me through college.
There was a different kind of snobbery in the US. Money ruled.

148multi · 16-12-2018 5:54pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

A long time ago, I worked at a holiday resort on Long Island, New York on a J1 visa. Got talking to the guy that owned it one night. He used to go around colleccting the empty drink cans from the rubbish bags. They were worth 5C each. The clothes he was wearing were even from the trash. He reckoned he made about £250k from trash in his lifetime. I was a student at the time and short of cash and I was laughing at him when he was telling me all this.
The resort was sold a few years back for £70 million and he was a multi millionaire even back then. It takes all sorts, I suppose. Looking back it was the best job I ever had. The money I saved there put me through college.
There was a different kind of snobbery in the US. Money ruled.

Was that Mr. A M

patsy_mccabe · 16-12-2018 6:17pm

148multi wrote: »

Was that Mr. A M

No a Mr. F. :rolleyes:

farawaygrass · 17-12-2018 9:31pm

Great story

Base price · 17-12-2018 11:16pm

I read this article today in the FJ
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/beef-plan-movement-have-energy-but-need-direction-426004

wrangler · 18-12-2018 11:07am

Base price wrote: »

I read this article today in the FJ
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/beef-plan-movement-have-energy-but-need-direction-426004

Hugh Doyle got caught out anyway, if it was a full commitee meeting with the inspector there was about thirty others. He coulda said he was with IFA, A group so into social media was going to be found out.
As for the beef plan, it's all common sense, I'd venture that IFA have the same wish list. BPMs ability to deliver will depend, like strokestown,on the backbone of the members......but then haven't I always said that.
They've done nothing yet

whelan2 · 18-12-2018 11:09am

Are the ifa still part taking in the sit in they started last week?

wrangler · 18-12-2018 11:13am

whelan2 wrote: »

Are the ifa still part taking in the sit in they started last week?

Sit in is over as as far as I know, they got to meet creed, I wouldn't consider they got a result.
BPM say they're looking after it now

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/creed-announces-enhanced-controls-on-trimming-for-2019/
It's unclear by that whether they are going to name the past offenders

patsy_mccabe · 07-01-2019 6:32pm

County Clare Meeting

From the Beef Plan Clare WhatsApp Group;

A Beef Plan meeting for everyone in County Clare takes place this Tuesday Jan 8th at 8pm in the Auburn Lodge Hotel Ennis .
This is your opportunity to sign up to the plan and pay the €10 registration. The beef plan will be explained on the night . All your suggestions from the floor are welcome.

alps · 09-01-2019 1:33am

The Beef Plan Movement’s view is that there are three possible solutions:
The establishment of a grass-fed veal industry in Ireland;
The introduction of a 14-day-old slaughter option for the lowest quality calves;
The easing of export regulations for calves.

Are any of the above realistic solutions ?

wrangler · 09-01-2019 9:09am

alps wrote: »

The Beef Plan Movement’s view is that there are three possible solutions:
The establishment of a grass-fed veal industry in Ireland;
The introduction of a 14-day-old slaughter option for the lowest quality calves;
The easing of export regulations for calves.

Are any of the above realistic solutions ?

Proposals like those without doing any research aren't much good.
Are the export regulations that onerous, there seems to be no problem exporting them at the moment any way.
Anyone that did the grass fed veal went away from it. Isn't that what 'Rose veal' was
I doubt the government will subsidise the shooting of calves, if farmers are resorting to that it'd be better to do it as quietly as possible, even slaughtering calves at the moment is frowned on.
They have thousands at meetings with no solution yet persist in abusing IFA for not having a solution. I thought they had someone offering €5/kg

patsy_mccabe · 09-01-2019 10:42am

I was at the meeting in Ennis last night. Huge crowd and the lads deserve great credit for the amount of work they put in. To say they are anti the current status quo, is putting it mildly.
Key points I took from it;
- 50% of Irish beef is going to the UK where it is sold at a 27% discount to the UK Red Tractor lable. It's sold bottom shelf and marketed as a second rate product.
- Overall 40% of Irish Beef goes into Retail and 60% to the wholesale market (Burgers and stew). So your under 30 month QA top quality Char bullock is going into the same mixing bowl as the P grade Fr cow from the Dairy herd.
- Irish Beef is generally sold at 95% of the EU average and not at the higher figure as reported by Bord Bia.
- Factories are burning animal fat to power their plants. The 5th quarter is where the money is at apparently.
- They also suggest getting more calves out of the country either directly through export at a young age or via rose veal produced in Ireland.
- They had a guy there who was looking to buy beef at 4.90 to €5.20/kg :cool:. He is trying to set up a factory in Ireland but is meeting a brick wall from the powers that be. There are about 10 to 12 factories currently lying idle here. He has contracts lined up in China put can't supply them. Most of the questions were directed at him, which was a pity as it deflected away from the real issues.
- There is an announcement to be made soon by the govt about bio-digesters.
- One of the organisers spoke about a producers group with 150 guys in it, that he helped set up in Meath. They are getting 10 to 15% discounts of inputs. They bought 1.8 million lts of diesel last year. Plan is to do likewise all over the country via this group.

wrangler · 09-01-2019 1:06pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I was at the meeting in Ennis last night. Huge crowd and the lads deserve great credit for the amount of work they put in. To say they are anti the current status quo, is putting it mildly.
Key points I took from it;
- 50% of Irish beef is going to the UK where it is sold at a 27% discount to the UK Red Tractor lable. It's sold bottom shelf and marketed as a second rate product.
- Overall 40% of Irish Beef goes into Retail and 60% to the wholesale market (Burgers and stew). So your under 30 month QA top quality Char bullock is going into the same mixing bowl as the P grade Fr cow from the Dairy herd.
- Irish Beef is generally sold at 95% of the EU average and not at the higher figure as reported by Bord Bia.
- Factories are burning animal fat to power their plants. The 5th quarter is where the money is at apparently.
- They also suggest getting more calves out of the country either directly through export at a young age or via rose veal produced in Ireland.
- They had a guy there who was looking to buy beef at 4.90 to €5.20/kg :cool:. He is trying to set up a factory in Ireland but is meeting a brick wall from the powers that be. There are about 10 to 12 factories currently lying idle here. He has contracts lined up in China put can't supply them. Most of the questions were directed at him, which was a pity as it deflected away from the real issues.
- There is an announcement to be made soon by the govt about bio-digesters.
- One of the organisers spoke about a producers group with 150 guys in it, that he helped set up in Meath. They are getting 10 to 15% discounts of inputs. They bought 1.8 million lts of diesel last year. Plan is to do likewise all over the country via this group.

I wouldn't believe that guy offering €5/kg .
Never mind the IFJ, why are none of the farming press picking up on his carry on. He seems to be at all the meetings, we have an independent abbatoir here beside us for the last twenty years and no one put a brick wall in front of him.
The rest you'd hear at any beef meeting in the country.

patsy_mccabe · 09-01-2019 1:21pm

Can't remember entirely what he said but he deffo said he had contracts for China that he can't fill. He also said that the 4 big processors here won't supply him. Got the feeling he wants farmers here to part finance the operation.

patsy_mccabe · 09-01-2019 2:32pm

All videos from last night in Ennis are posted on their facebook page;

https://www.facebook.com/groups/285936028688976/

wrangler · 09-01-2019 2:32pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Can't remember entirely what he said but he deffo said he had contracts for China that he can't fill. He also said that the 4 big processors here won't supply him. Got the feeling he wants farmers here to part finance the operation.

I suspected as much because he seems to be at every meeting
Processors probably have a good reason to avoid,
Kepak took ages to get passed to supply china.
Even with the buyers group, they'd be better to stay at 150 farmers, Buyways was started in 2000 with the same idea and went to the wall, The reason for the success of these groups, lamb groups etc is that there's a hell of a lot of voluntary work done.

charolais0153 · 09-01-2019 2:33pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Can't remember entirely what he said but he deffo said he had contracts for China that he can't fill. He also said that the 4 big processors here won't supply him. Got the feeling he wants farmers here to part finance the operation.

That looks dodgy af. Probably no guarantee of money by the chinese

wrangler · 09-01-2019 2:49pm

charolais0153 wrote: »

That looks dodgy af. Probably no guarantee of money by the chinese

I'd hope they checked him out before they gave him such a platform. I'd heard they had a dealer on the top table, I doubt it was him that was being referred to

Siamsa Sessions · 09-01-2019 3:33pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

- 50% of Irish beef is going to the UK where it is sold at a 27% discount to the UK Red Tractor lable. It's sold bottom shelf and marketed as a second rate product.
- Overall 40% of Irish Beef goes into Retail and 60% to the wholesale market (Burgers and stew). So your under 30 month QA top quality Char bullock is going into the same mixing bowl as the P grade Fr cow from the Dairy herd.
- Irish Beef is generally sold at 95% of the EU average and not at the higher figure as reported by Bord Bia.

If there's reputable sources to back this up, it makes a mockery of Bord Bia and their "marketing" of Irish food. It's looks like beef is being off-loaded at a discount more so than being marketed.

Was at a different farmers meeting last night and sales/marketing came up there too. Gist of the comment was that supermarkets and Bord Bia had a free run at selling what they liked for whatever price they liked, and farmers were left to pick up the tab with no chance to challenge this race-to-the-bottom.

coolshannagh28 · 09-01-2019 3:38pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

If there's reputable sources to back this up, it makes a mockery of Bord Bia and their "marketing" of Irish food. It's looks like beef is being off-loaded at a discount more so than being marketed.

Was at a different farmers meeting last night and sales/marketing came up there too. Gist of the comment was that supermarkets and Bord Bia had a free run at selling what they liked for whatever price they liked, and farmers were left to pick up the tab with no chance to challenge this race-to-the-bottom.

Processors are using the differential between UK and Irish factory prices as a cushion to make margin on their decades old strategy of , stack it high , sell it cheap ; Lions led by donkeys.

wrangler · 09-01-2019 7:19pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

If there's reputable sources to back this up, it makes a mockery of Bord Bia and their "marketing" of Irish food. It's looks like beef is being off-loaded at a discount more so than being marketed.

Was at a different farmers meeting last night and sales/marketing came up there too. Gist of the comment was that supermarkets and Bord Bia had a free run at selling what they liked for whatever price they liked, and farmers were left to pick up the tab with no chance to challenge this race-to-the-bottom.

Bord bia run promotions and ads, entertain customers, etc, they don't price or sell anything, they are just PR.
Irish beef is cheaper in england than local, if we don't sell it into England at that price, plenty of other countries will, Why do you think Larry is working from Poland now and getting plenty of beef into england from there

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/poland-now-the-third-largest-beef-exporter-to-uk-after-ireland-and-the-netherlands/

English beef price
http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/markets/deadweight-price-reports/deadweight-cattle-prices/

Mooooo · 09-01-2019 7:54pm

I assume the meat from the netherlands is mainly dairy based? Was there during the summer where one farmer said that the price of beef, in his case cull cow's hadn't fallen despite the cull there

wrangler · 09-01-2019 7:57pm

Mooooo wrote: »

I assume the meat from the netherlands is mainly dairy based? Was there during the summer where one farmer said that the price of beef, in his case cull cow's hadn't fallen despite the cull there

Won't be long till we're dairy based here

Albert Johnson · 09-01-2019 8:17pm

alps wrote: »

The Beef Plan Movement’s view is that there are three possible solutions:
The establishment of a grass-fed veal industry in Ireland;
The introduction of a 14-day-old slaughter option for the lowest quality calves;
The easing of export regulations for calves.

Are any of the above realistic solutions ?

The above are possible if somewhat doubtful solutions in my opinion.

I'm totally ignorant as to the finer points of "grass fed veal", I can only surmise that this is something similar to rose veal. Veal production is not a new concept in this country and one has to ask as to why it's more prominent. My main concerns regarding rose veal would be the production costs involved, all most non existent domestic market and the potential export of surplus product.
I'm informed that intensive feeding of cattle eg. Winter finishing is becoming less sustainable due to ever increasing costs. Therefore would another high imput and thus cost system such a rose veal production be any more profitable?
The domestic market could be another hard sell as I can't see the consumer warming to veal of any kind due to the negative association's with slaughtering calves. A total change of mindset would be required to create a sufficient domestic market
If the resulting veal cannot be sold domestically then what export markets are available? Producing a high cost product without a viable end market is not going to do much for our already fragile beef industy.

As for the option of a slaughter option for young calves be it government subsidized or otherwise I can see the resulting public outcry already. In a world where the general public is more and more removed from the economics of agriculture I can't see how condoning the slaughter of new borns will be positively received.
The vegans and other anti livestock farming militia are already well capable of finding issues to castigate us about without us assisting them. The practice of slaughtering calves should be hidden from the public spotlight not proposed as the solution to all our problems.

Finally I am again ignorant as to the finer points of live exporting calves, however I would have to question if export regulations are that draconian at the moment?
I understand that the entire live export issue is questioned on it's eithics and that getting boats certified can prove problematic but exports continue non the less.
The biggest barrier I can see to increased exports is calf prices exceeding the maximum export price. Every year exporters are outbid by lads at mart rings nationwide, this is of course part of a free market so I struggle to see how the outcome can be changed. Perhaps a government subsidy on calculators for the domestic calf buyers may be money well spent.

wrangler · 09-01-2019 8:32pm

Albert Johnson wrote: »

The above are possible if somewhat doubtful solutions in my opinion.

I'm totally ignorant as to the finer points of "grass fed veal", I can only surmise that this is something similar to rose veal. Veal production is not a new concept in this country and one has to ask as to why it's more prominent. My main concerns regarding rose veal would be the production costs involved, all most non existent domestic market and the potential export of surplus product.
I'm informed that intensive feeding of cattle eg. Winter finishing is becoming less sustainable due to ever increasing costs. Therefore would another high imput and thus cost system such a rose veal production be any more profitable?
The domestic market could be another hard sell as I can't see the consumer warming to veal of any kind due to the negative association's with slaughtering calves. A total change of mindset would be required to create a sufficient domestic market
If the resulting veal cannot be sold domestically then what export markets are available? Producing a high cost product without a viable end market is not going to do much for our already fragile beef industy.

As for the option of a slaughter option for young calves be it government subsidized or otherwise I can see the resulting public outcry already. In a world where the general public is more and more removed from the economics of agriculture I can't see how condoning the slaughter of new borns will be positively received.
The vegans and other anti livestock farming militia are already well capable of finding issues to castigate us about without us assisting them. The practice of slaughtering calves should be hidden from the public spotlight not proposed as the solution to all our problems.

Finally I am again ignorant as to the finer points of live exporting calves, however I would have to question if export regulations are that draconian at the moment?
I understand that the entire live export issue is questioned on it's eithics and that getting boats certified can prove problematic but exports continue non the less.
The biggest barrier I can see to increased exports is calf prices exceeding the maximum export price. Every year exporters are outbid by lads at mart rings nationwide, this is of course part of a free market so I struggle to see how the outcome can be changed. Perhaps a government subsidy on calculators for the domestic calf buyers may be money well spent.

I wonder how many at these meetings actually supply cattle to factories, or do they have any idea about the markets for cattle.
To save face now they'll soon have to deliver something

Albert Johnson · 09-01-2019 8:50pm

wrangler wrote: »

I wonder how many at these meetings actually supply cattle to factories, or do they have any idea about the markets for cattle.
To save face now they'll soon have to deliver something

I'm by no means an expert on the various markets available to the beef we produce. I do however understand that market forces apply and it's not as simple as demanding a higher price from the factories. Producer groups and further funding for research and marketing strategies are a worthwhile option in my opinion.

I would agree that it is time for the group in question to deliver something concrete. It's all good and well holding meetings and shouting into microphones as to how we're being taken for a ride but that doesn't put money in anyone's pocket.
In a sense there preaching to the converted and it's time to flex there supposed muscle with the powers that be. I admit that due to other commitments I have yet to attend a meeting but from videos and first hand accounts from attendees it looks to me to be an enlarged pub debate and becomes increasingly an "us versus them" issue. My main fear being that it will become yet another sounding board for pissed off beef men without the ability to deliver anything other than hair brained scheme's that have no chance of success.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 09-01-2019 8:56pm

Mooooo wrote: »

I assume the meat from the netherlands is mainly dairy based? Was there during the summer where one farmer said that the price of beef, in his case cull cow's hadn't fallen despite the cull there

I think most of the culls just traveled east to Poland and continued milking rather than culled for beef.

Siamsa Sessions · 09-01-2019 9:18pm

You’re getting to the heart of it now lads: calculators and actual beef markets!

Mooooo · 09-01-2019 9:24pm

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I think most of the culls just traveled east to Poland and continued milking rather than culled for beef.

This lad would factory cow's once they reduced to a certain level of output

wrangler · 09-01-2019 9:30pm

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

You’re getting to the heart of it now lads: calculators and actual beef markets!

A difference of about ten percent between local and Irish, there was often a twenty percent difference with Irish lamb going in to France..... you have to go in cheaper to compete with a local market.
I see the BPM have a ticket to the next Beef forum....they'll be made up with that

Bass Reeves · 09-01-2019 11:14pm

alps wrote: »

The Beef Plan Movement’s view is that there are three possible solutions:
The establishment of a grass-fed veal industry in Ireland;
The introduction of a 14-day-old slaughter option for the lowest quality calves;
The easing of export regulations for calves.

Are any of the above realistic solutions ?

As Albert Johnson posted none of these are realistic options. No2 and 3 are market distorting as well so are against EU rules if state aided. There are a few different type of veal. White Veal in general is produced from calves fed a milk or milk substitute with slaughter at 18-20 weeks. Pink or Rose veal is grain based production to give a pink colour to the meat at 20-30 weeks. Grass fed veal would be a darker red. In general it is not produced in Europe but there is some in Canada and the USA.

Mooooo wrote: »

I assume the meat from the netherlands is mainly dairy based? Was there during the summer where one farmer said that the price of beef, in his case cull cow's hadn't fallen despite the cull there

Hard for cull cow prices to fall in the Netherlands. Hollands has the lowest priced beef prices in Europe even lower than Poland at times. Why so I do not know. There beef prices are back at around the 3/kg mark

wrangler wrote: »

Won't be long till we're dairy based here

Big difference between dairy bred beef in Ireland and Holland. Holland has an indoor dairy system Holstein based with high replacement rates. All cows would be put back in calf to Holstein breeding because of high replacement rate. In Ireland we are heading towards peak dairy so from now on 60%+ of the calves will be from beef/Dairy crossbreds.

wrangler wrote: »

I wonder how many at these meetings actually supply cattle to factories, or do they have any idea about the markets for cattle.
To save face now they'll soon have to deliver something

There seems a certain suckler based bias in there plans. A lot of there proposals seem to ignore the reality of where the market is heading. Will they have to deliver, I am not sure the IFA have delivered SFA to beef farmers and west of Ireland farmers for the last 10 years and seem to be able to survive.

wrangler · 09-01-2019 11:55pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Big difference between dairy bred beef in Ireland and Holland. Holland has an indoor dairy system Holstein based with high replacement rates. All cows would be put back in calf to Holstein breeding because of high replacement rate. In Ireland we are heading towards peak dairy so from now on 60%+ of the calves will be from beef/Dairy crossbreds.

There seems a certain suckler based bias in there plans. A lot of there proposals seem to ignore the reality of where the market is heading. Will they have to deliver, I am not sure the IFA have delivered SFA to beef farmers and west of Ireland farmers for the last 10 years and seem to be able to survive.

IFA'll survive alright....... well at least until the voluntary officers get sick of the poor expenses

Base price · 10-01-2019 11:51am

Beef plan have registered as a limited company. Apparently this now allows them to represent farmers with DAFM and MII.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/beef-plan-movement-officially-registers-as-a-company/

wrangler · 10-01-2019 11:54am

Base price wrote: »

Beef plan have registered as a limited company. Apparently this now allows them to represent farmers with DAFM and MII.
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/beef-plan-movement-officially-registers-as-a-company/

That's what I meant by a ticket to the beef forum, I'd say it's more as protection for the leaders, if they do take action and something goes wrong they will be left vulnerable

older by the day · 10-01-2019 9:13pm

https://amp.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/a-hard-brexit-might-be-the-best-thing-for-our-dairy-industry-it-would-free-up-lots-of-land-37699061.html
. is that what teagasc and IF A and our government secretly want. Can someone put this up as a link.

alps · 10-01-2019 9:37pm

older by the day wrote: »

https://amp.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/a-hard-brexit-might-be-the-best-thing-for-our-dairy-industry-it-would-free-up-lots-of-land-37699061.html
. is that what teagasc and IF A and our government secretly want. Can someone put this up as a link.

How has this article anything possible to do with IFA or teagasc?

It's a report from a paper given by an auctioneer/advisor/accountant who makes a living out of these types of transactions...

jaymla627 · 10-01-2019 9:46pm

older by the day wrote: »

https://amp.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/a-hard-brexit-might-be-the-best-thing-for-our-dairy-industry-it-would-free-up-lots-of-land-37699061.html
. is that what teagasc and IF A and our government secretly want. Can someone put this up as a link.

He’s on a totally different level to be fair,milk could be 20 cent a litre but his clients would still be clearing a grand a cow yearly and on the golf course a couple of days a week with the hired helped and contractors doing the heavy-lifting

alps · 10-01-2019 9:49pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

He’s on a totally different level to be fair,milk could be 20 cent a litre but his clients would still be clearing a grand a cow yearly and on the golf course a couple of days a week with the hired helped and contractors doing the heavy-lifting

At 20c/l cows would only produce a grands worth of milk...

patsy_mccabe · 10-01-2019 9:52pm

older by the day wrote: »

https://amp.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/a-hard-brexit-might-be-the-best-thing-for-our-dairy-industry-it-would-free-up-lots-of-land-37699061.html
. is that what teagasc and IF A and our government secretly want. Can someone put this up as a link.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/a-hard-brexit-might-be-the-best-thing-for-our-dairy-industry-it-would-free-up-lots-of-land-37699061.html

Buford T. Justice XIX · 10-01-2019 10:00pm

alps wrote: »

How has this article anything possible to do with IFA or teagasc?

It's a report from a paper given by an auctioneer/advisor/accountant who makes a living out of these types of transactions...

Far be it from me to accuse the Indo of trolling but...

jaymla627 · 10-01-2019 10:08pm

alps wrote: »

At 20c/l cows would only produce a grands worth of milk...

If you glanced over his paper from the conference yesterday you’d get the gist of it

older by the day · 10-01-2019 10:08pm

alps wrote: »

older by the day wrote: »

https://amp.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/a-hard-brexit-might-be-the-best-thing-for-our-dairy-industry-it-would-free-up-lots-of-land-37699061.html
. is that what teagasc and IF A and our government secretly want. Can someone put this up as a link.

How has this article anything possible to do with IFA or teagasc?

Because let's face it they have been letting the beef producers die out since the end of quotas, or can't you see that, before that they bought in the beef grid, before that they decoupled the premiums and the past few years the value of entitlements are being reduced, hunting around the country, putting penalties on rough land, 10% devalued there a couple of years ago and inflation. Very few outside of farming would be happy with out a pay rise now and again

Gawddawggonnit · 10-01-2019 10:16pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/a-hard-brexit-might-be-the-best-thing-for-our-dairy-industry-it-would-free-up-lots-of-land-37699061.html

Reads like one of Sulla’s proscriptions...surely they could be humanely euthanised?

older by the day · 10-01-2019 10:18pm

Get Cromwell, to.. Hell or the milking parlour

Gawddawggonnit · 10-01-2019 10:31pm

older by the day wrote: »

Get Cromwell, to.. Hell or the milking parlour

Lol.

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