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This article is worth reading. I have to agree with her point that MII are probably rubbing their hands in glee.
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/comment/ann-fitzgerald-the-ifa-cannot-afford-to-dismiss-the-new-beef-plan-movement-37567064.html

older by the day

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

This organisation cannot survive without funding for God's sake. If they are serious about what they are doing, they'll need money for advertising, rental of venues, administration etc Have you never been a member of an organisation similar to this previously?

The milks right movement, don't hardly remember, it was about quotas, but I do remember giving 50 Euro to join at a meeting, heard nothing since

Bass Reeves

Base price wrote: »

This article is worth reading. I have to agree with her point that MII are probably rubbing their hands in glee.
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/comment/ann-fitzgerald-the-ifa-cannot-afford-to-dismiss-the-new-beef-plan-movement-37567064.html

Not really she is promoting IFA and half dismissing the Beefplan movement. At the end she is on about Micheal Drennan brain fart that will see lower prices for 70%+ of the beef that is produced.

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Bass Reeves wrote: »

Not really she is promoting IFA and half dismissing the Beefplan movement. At the end she is on about Micheal Drennan brain fart that will see lower prices for 70%+ of the beef that is produced.

I'm obviously interpreting the article differently to you :

"The IFA has long seen itself as having the monopoly on good ideas and has been slow to support those of others, no matter how worthwhile they may be, for fear that it would be seen as a sign of weakness."

While the IFA has called for a premium for suckler stock, it is not pushing hard for a reform of the QA grid.
I agree that the Micheal Dreannan piece is a brain fart and ain't goin to happen.

Willfarman

The meat industry is thinks it’s a fine idea. Cormac healy says” they are open to it”. Can’t seem too enthusiastic or the gombeen farmers might try and do the sums!

CloughCasey1

Willfarman wrote: »

The meat industry is thinks it’s a fine idea. Cormac healy says” they are open to it”. Can’t seem too enthusiastic or the gombeen farmers might try and do the sums!

Until a comparative figure to Healy is put front and centre of the Beef Plan we are at nothing. We need a representative that will be able to go toe to toe in interview situations and not be in a stuttering mess when push comes to shove. Healy is well versed and seeing Ranglers crowd are so greased up and are another cog in the MII wheel we have nowhere to turn bar the beef plan. At the moment the beef plan seems very rudderless, you could for once almost say too many Indians and not enough chiefs! Meetings seem to be all bluster with great soundbites and fighting talk. Well that same talk is very cheap and passion and our gra for farming won't cut it with the big boys. We will be swatted away like flies. It is the greatest con job of all time what is happening. Yes the kill is high but the tonnage of beef wouldnt be within an asses roar of heavier suckler bred or dare i say it british fresian crossed stock of even 5 years ago. There has to be a part time farmer somewhere who has a highend job that requires a lot of communication and dealing with big contracts that would able to sit in on an interview with the likes of Healy and turn the screw the other way for a change.

Bass Reeves

Base price wrote: »

I'm obviously interpreting the article differently to you :

"The IFA has long seen itself as having the monopoly on good ideas and has been slow to support those of others, no matter how worthwhile they may be, for fear that it would be seen as a sign of weakness."

While the IFA has called for a premium for suckler stock, it is not pushing hard for a reform of the QA grid.
I agree that the Micheal Dreannan piece is a brain fart and ain't goin to happen.

I am not sure about that it is gaining traction with the save the suckler brigade who do not understand the sums involved or the economics of it. Every week there seems to be another guru who should know better promoting it. Remember Teagasc is now fairly dependent on it funding from GLAS and KT groups which is in a large part made up of suckler farmers. n my area we are the only cattle/livestock group all the rest are suckler farmers KT groups. And even in our group there is a few suckler farmers

patsy_mccabe

Gort Mart meeting on next Tuesday 4th. It's a bit of a spin for me but I want to support it all the same. My fear though is it will be just a lot of hot air and all negativity. I tend to stay away from all farm politics but I like the energy of this one. If only one good thing comes out of it, it will be worth it.

coolshannagh28

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I am not sure about that it is gaining traction with the save the suckler brigade who do not understand the sums involved or the economics of it. Every week there seems to be another guru who should know better promoting it. Remember Teagasc is now fairly dependent on it funding from GLAS and KT groups which is in a large part made up of suckler farmers. n my area we are the only cattle/livestock group all the rest are suckler farmers KT groups. And even in our group there is a few suckler farmers

This is a bone of contention among farmers ,Teagasc instead of being financed centrally ,has become dependent on clawback from farmers ,this reduces the level of subsidy and with other costs involved ie vets the schemes are not worthwhile .
Subsidy should be subsidy not a mickey mouse exercise . Farming and suckler farming in particular is only made viable by subsidy ,there was some case to be made for the clawback during the recession but it is vital now that farm organisations reverse this trend.

wrangler

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Not really she is promoting IFA and half dismissing the Beefplan movement. At the end she is on about Micheal Drennan brain fart that will see lower prices for 70%+ of the beef that is produced.

That's the reason that no one is looking to review the grid.....Os are too dear at the mo. Only review can be reduce the price of Os
If you wanted to be fair to producers of good cattle the grid should be reviewed, That grid was probably based on a different price at the time...the increments should be a percentage to the base price,

Siamsa Sessions

Apologies if this has been asked already but is the Beef Plan Movement going to do anything before it gets its magic number of 40,000 members? Or is it a case of get the numbers first, then start agitating?

I'm in the WhatsApp group for my county and I'm getting a bit fed up of being bombarded with "fighting talk" and whinging from the organisers that farmers need to do more work for the Movement by pestering their neighbours to get involved.

Apart from the various meetings, has anyone from the Movement met with processors? Have they spoken to retailers? Have they analysed the wider consumer trends on food consumption?

I'm all for fighting and getting a fair price. But with everyone's time so scarce these days we need to see the bigger picture and pick the right battles. Processors are part of the problem, but we've already lost if we think getting an extra few cent/kg will make the good 'ol days return.

wrangler

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Apologies if this has been asked already but is the Beef Plan Movement going to do anything before it gets its magic number of 40,000 members? Or is it a case of get the numbers first, then start agitating?

I'm in the WhatsApp group for my county and I'm getting a bit fed up of being bombarded with "fighting talk" and whinging from the organisers that farmers need to do more work for the Movement by pestering their neighbours to get involved.

Apart from the various meetings, has anyone from the Movement met with processors? Have they spoken to retailers? Have they analysed the wider consumer trends on food consumption?

I'm all for fighting and getting a fair price. But with everyone's time so scarce these days we need to see the bigger picture and pick the right battles. Processors are part of the problem, but we've already lost if we think getting an extra few cent/kg will make the good 'ol days return.

They'll have to handle the Comp authority before I'd have anything to do with them. Last fines started at €500000 and the last I heard they were arresting individual farmers when they couldn't get an organisation to hang it on.
Wonder what the implications of having those messages on your phone are

older by the day

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Apologies if this has been asked already but is the Beef Plan Movement going to do anything before it gets its magic number of 40,000 members? Or is it a case of get the numbers first, then start agitating?

I'm in the WhatsApp group for my county and I'm getting a bit fed up of being bombarded with "fighting talk" and whinging from the organisers that farmers need to do more work for the Movement by pestering their neighbours to get involved.

Apart from the various meetings, has anyone from the Movement met with processors? Have they spoken to retailers? Have they analysed the wider consumer trends on food consumption?
I'm all for fighting and getting a fair price. But with everyone's time so scarce these days we need to see the bigger picture and pick the right battles. Processors are part of the problem, but we've already lost if we think getting an extra few cent/kg will make the good 'ol days return.

It all about organisation now, numbers don't mean nothing if people are pulling in every direction. It can put pressure on I.F.A. to do some work maybe. The most important thing now is to pick ONE, WINNABLE battle, stick to it. Throw everything at it and show people that its possible to make a difference

Cattlepen

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Apologies if this has been asked already but is the Beef Plan Movement going to do anything before it gets its magic number of 40,000 members? Or is it a case of get the numbers first, then start agitating?

I'm in the WhatsApp group for my county and I'm getting a bit fed up of being bombarded with "fighting talk" and whinging from the organisers that farmers need to do more work for the Movement by pestering their neighbours to get involved.

Apart from the various meetings, has anyone from the Movement met with processors? Have they spoken to retailers? Have they analysed the wider consumer trends on food consumption?

I'm all for fighting and getting a fair price. But with everyone's time so scarce these days we need to see the bigger picture and pick the right battles. Processors are part of the problem, but we've already lost if we think getting an extra few cent/kg will make the good 'ol days return.

I have to agree with you. I was in the initial what’s app group and left for the reasons you describe.
What you say about the analysis of consumer demand is 100% correct. We are on the point of losing our best customer through brexit and the meat shelves and butchers counter in supermarkets seems to be getting smaller every 6 months. I think we have to just face up to the fact that beef is a high value low margin luxury product. Our days producing it are numbered. By the way I would have fought against what I have just said a year or two ago

tractorporn

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Apologies if this has been asked already but is the Beef Plan Movement going to do anything before it gets its magic number of 40,000 members? Or is it a case of get the numbers first, then start agitating?

I'm in the WhatsApp group for my county and I'm getting a bit fed up of being bombarded with "fighting talk" and whinging from the organisers that farmers need to do more work for the Movement by pestering their neighbours to get involved.

Apart from the various meetings, has anyone from the Movement met with processors? Have they spoken to retailers? Have they analysed the wider consumer trends on food consumption?

I'm all for fighting and getting a fair price. But with everyone's time so scarce these days we need to see the bigger picture and pick the right battles. Processors are part of the problem, but we've already lost if we think getting an extra few cent/kg will make the good 'ol days return.

Have to say I'm feeling the same. The message that went up this morning really got me thinking. Pleading with farmers to add one number to the WhatsApp group so that the numbers could rise to 60k quickly. I don't see the point of having 40 or 60 thousand people signed up on WhatsApp, it's meaningless anyone can be added to the group doesn't mean they will do anything when the time comes.

gerryirl

tractorporn wrote: »

Have to say I'm feeling the same. The message that went up this morning really got me thinking. Pleading with farmers to add one number to the WhatsApp group so that the numbers could rise to 60k quickly. I don't see the point of having 40 or 60 thousand people signed up on WhatsApp, it's meaningless anyone can be added to the group doesn't mean they will do anything when the time comes.

I can see where your coming from about the message but taking 3.70 a kilo for beef is meaningless too so do we keep doing the same thing or try something. I'd rather fail trying thnt not trying at all

The one area I can see the Beef Plan running into bother is the lads that kill high numbers. They get a different price to joe bloggs and people like myself that kill insignificant numbers each year. Will they want to rock the boat when the time comes if they have 50 or a 100 head of cattle to go and get a text not to send them ?

tractorporn

gerryirl wrote: »

I can see where your coming from about the message but taking 3.70 a kilo for beef is meaningless too so do we keep doing the same thing or try something. I'd rather fail trying thnt not trying at all

I agree I think it's a good idea and something needs to be done and they have a good plan. But I just think they would be better off with 4k engaged members than 40k half arsed lads.

Base price

gerryirl wrote: »

I can see where your coming from about the message but taking 3.70 a kilo for beef is meaningless too so do we keep doing the same thing or try something. I'd rather fail trying thnt not trying at all

The one area I can see the Beef Plan running into bother is the lads that kill high numbers. They get a different price to joe bloggs and people like myself that kill insignificant numbers each year. Will they want to rock the boat when the time comes if they have 50 or a 100 head of cattle to go and get a text not to send them ?

TBH how would you expect someone with 50 or 100 head of factory fit cattle to hold them for a number of days when each day is going to cost them €3.50+ per head/day. I'm not talking about lads who are feeding cattle on contract for the factories but genuine finishers who are trying to make a living.

Robson99

older by the day wrote: »

It all about organisation now, numbers don't mean nothing if people are pulling in every direction. It can put pressure on I.F.A. to do some work maybe. The most important thing now is to pick ONE, WINNABLE battle, stick to it. Throw everything at it and show people that its possible to make a difference

The first thing they should do is target that taepot Creeds local office and get the EID tagging of sheep thrown out. Very winnable battle and would ave the sheep men rowing in behind them . Remember they at war with the factories as well. Need all on the one ship

wrangler

Base price wrote: »

TBH how would you expect someone with 50 or 100 head of factory fit cattle to hold them for a number of days when each day is going to cost them €3.50+ per head/day. I'm not talking about lads who are feeding cattle on contract for the factories but genuine finishers who are trying to make a living.

Are you finally seeing the light, there is no practical way to put pressure on processors to increase prices. Totally immature and unreasonable to expect anyone come up with a solution when you're not prepared to support any effort.
You've finally highlighted the c..p that I'm dealing with for the last 30 years from beef farmers
In 2001 We held back cattle for three weeks to get a price and the farmers only let it hold for a few weeks when they started throwing cattle at the factories again.
I hope that the Beef plan movement take warning from your post because there's a lot more like you

cute geoge

I taught the ifa plan of targeting supermarkets who was selling Irish beef/lamb as a loss leader was a good idea.Surely this idea should be continued like going into supermarkets ,filling up trolleys and disrupting trade these supermarkets might not be long getting the message .
Expecting farmers to hold back supplies would be an impossible task ,the real problem is there is too many cattle in the country ,too many calves every year so get beef plan to make it possible to export as many of these calves as possible!!!!

Base price

wrangler wrote: »

Are you finally seeing the light, there is no practical way to put pressure on processors to increase prices. Totally immature and unreasonable to expect anyone come up with a solution when you're not prepared to support any effort.
You've finally highlighted the c..p that I'm dealing with for the last 30 years from beef farmers
In 2001 We held back cattle for three weeks to get a price and the farmers only let it hold for a few weeks when they started throwing cattle at the factories again.
I hope that the Beef plan movement take warning from your post because there's a lot more like you

Correction it was 2000 and as I have mentioned before I was at Kepak Clonee most nights during the blockade.
I have never missed seeing the light and at that time I wasn't critical of farmers sending cattle as soon as there was a price rise cause we all knew it wasn't going to last more than a week.

Most people think that by with holding cattle they are going to effect prices whereas in fact they are playing into the hands of the beef processors by creating a glut and thereby reducing prices when those cattle come to slaughter.

wrangler

cute geoge wrote: »

I taught the ifa plan of targeting supermarkets who was selling Irish beef/lamb as a loss leader was a good idea.Surely this idea should be continued like going into supermarkets ,filling up trolleys and disrupting trade these supermarkets might not be long getting the message .
Expecting farmers to hold back supplies would be an impossible task ,the real problem is there is too many cattle in the country ,too many calves every year so get beef plan to make it possible to export as many of these calves as possible!!!!

Farmers got sick of that too we only got two or three good protests before it was left to just a few.
I'd say if you go back far enough on boards here you'll get plenty belittling supermarket protests even though the processors hated us targetting their customers
I'm surprised that factories don't offer less. they could offer 3.50 next week and still get cattle

wrangler

Base price wrote: »

Correction it was 2000 and as I have mentioned before I was at Kepak Clonee most nights during the blockade.
I have never missed seeing the light and at that time I wasn't critical of farmers sending cattle as soon as there was a price rise cause we all knew it wasn't going to last more than a week.

Most people think that by with holding cattle they are going to effect prices whereas in fact they are playing into the hands of the beef processors by creating a glut and thereby reducing prices when those cattle come to slaughter.

So to stop you supplying they'd have to block the gates of the factory like the 2000.... except that's illegal now
I had 40 cattle going to Kildare the first morning of the blockade so it cost me abit more than standing at the gates

Bass Reeves

cute geoge wrote: »

I taught the ifa plan of targeting supermarkets who was selling Irish beef/lamb as a loss leader was a good idea.Surely this idea should be continued like going into supermarkets ,filling up trolleys and disrupting trade these supermarkets might not be long getting the message .
Expecting farmers to hold back supplies would be an impossible task ,the real problem is there is too many cattle in the country ,too many calves every year so get beef plan to make it possible to export as many of these calves as possible!!!!

In Ireland we consume less than 10% of the beef we produce yes more than half that goes through supermarket so the supermarkets in ireland account for about 6-7% of our total beef market. Morrison, the Co-op, ASDA etc in the UK really do not give a f@@k if we chain trollies in Irish supermarkets. All it dose is annoy Irish shoppers.

wrangler wrote: »

Farmers got sick of that too we only got two or three good protests before it was left to just a few.
I'd say if you go back far enough on boards here you'll get plenty belittling supermarket protests even though the processors hated us targetting their customers
I'm surprised that factories don't offer less. they could offer 3.50 next week and still get cattle

Yes I belittled it because it was a stupid idea from an insipid organisation where every president had to have a tractorcade to Dublin during his tenure. It has gone out of fashion neither Downing or Healy have done it. Mind you Downing was not there long enough.

gerryirl

wrangler wrote: »

they could offer 3.50 next week and still get cattle

Sad but true

wrangler

Bass Reeves wrote: »

In Ireland we consume less than 10% of the beef we produce yes more than half that goes through supermarket so the supermarkets in ireland account for about 6-7% of our total beef market. Morrison, the Co-op, ASDA etc in the UK really do not give a f@@k if we chain trollies in Irish supermarkets. All it dose is annoy Irish shoppers.



Yes I belittled it because it was a stupid idea from an insipid organisation where every president had to have a tractorcade to Dublin during his tenure. It has gone out of fashion neither Downing or Healy have done it. Mind you Downing was not there long enough.

That's the most stupid excuse I've heard for not getting the finger out, that is exactly why I was delighted to see BP s post, someone that was honest enough to say they wouldn't support because it'd cost.
Look; I followed my own issues (amd beef price wasn't one) but I supported when I was needed but if it doesn't effect me it doesn't matter.
A lot I'm benefiting from now was lobbied for by IFA , so of course i'M biased.

Was in the sheep factory all day yesterday so promised myself a firesde day today, probably go out for a few hours tomorrow and you know where beef price and trim can go

memorystick

Stupid question- should we try to get the management of Bord Bia brought up in front of the PAC and get them to justify their ineffectiveness? Plenty of TDs need farmer support.

CloughCasey1

Morning all.
I think it is time to get a bit more streetwise.
Blockades at the factory gates are a waste of time as it usually dwindles in support the longer the protest lasts and are illegal.
Blocking up the streets in towns and cities will have a negative effect with a public who have become disconnected with the farming community. Remember it is now "cooler" to be a vegan than a farmer!
You also cant and wont stop farmers with cattle coming of age for slaughter sending cattle without a plan in place.

Solutions.
1. FINISHERS. Should be asked to plan ahead to have their stock finished 3 weeks earlier than usual. In my own scenario id push cattle to 29mts 28days if i could. If finishers finished 3 weeks earlier at 24, 30 and 36 months then if a boycott was called for 3days or even a whole week at shortish notice then they have 2 weeks to get cattle killed once the boycott is lifted. I would not ask the man finishing u16mt bulls for qa to take part in this boycott. They represent only a small % of the market so if 3k bulls were slaughtered it represents less than 10% of the weekly kill. Their margin needs every last day of feeding.

2. PROTESTS. Every single event held in this country by the President of the IFA Joe Healy and Minister Creed both should be followed and protest there. Even better if the cameras are there. Stand in front of them sabotage every meeting or junket the IFA hold or the minister attends. They are supposed to be representing farming as a whole not just the Dairy sector (no offence ladies and gentlemen milkers). They are elected in place by the people for the people to get better fairer deals in place. They are leaning on the side of the factories as that is where the power is and naturally enough power brings fear and these guys are afraid to tackle the big issues that fall at every farm gate in the country.Unfortunately we have our own breed on here who has his paw so long in the greasy till he has become soft to the establishment and hardened against his own kind. SHAME ON YOU RANGLER.


3. SUCKLER MEN. Forget about the few pound from yer BGDP schemes and the eurostars. As simple Simon stared at its conception it would result in more calves/cow/year and less greenhouse gases per livestock unit. So more poorer quality beef animals that mature earlier and kill out lighter with no profit for the suckler man nor the finisher. They pushed for 5 star cows that would rear a poorer quality calf more efficiently. Ive not met one suckler farmer who had a 5 star cow rear his best calf. Run a few quiet dairy bred milky 5 stars alright but let them be there to allow a good weanling take an extra sup of milk as needed.

4. NSAI. We need to get the NSAI on board get a few standards in place. Firstly there needs to be NSAI certification put in place and monthly checks on grading machines in factories and the weighing of the carcass. The IFA levies from our factory cheques should be transferred to this scheme to firstly pay for the NSAI certification of standard in carcass grading. These grading machines need to be checked monthly by an NSAI auditor and a system set up that shows conformity of standards on a daily basis. There should also be a set standard set up for skinning the hyde from cattle and especially on the over trimming of the carcass. If there is a set standard in place then there can be no deviations on losing the extra few kg from over trimming of fat or at the neck area.

5. The beef plan should also push for the weekly tonnage of beef to match the numbers killed. It is like comparing apples to oranges to expect poorer cattle (factories have been showing us poorer grades and weights on a sliding downward scale for the last few years) to be weighing as heavy dead as cattle with better weights and grades were 5 years ago. A 25kg decline in carcass is 1,000,000kg of beef on a 40k weekly kill! With beef brisket on the bone (cheapest cut) been quoted at €7 per kg in the butchers thats a whole lot of extra beef that had disappeared over time......OR HAS IT....!!

wrangler

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Morning all.
I think it is time to get a bit more streetwise.
Blockades at the factory gates are a waste of time as it usually dwindles in support the longer the protest lasts and are illegal.
Blocking up the streets in towns and cities will have a negative effect with a public who have become disconnected with the farming community. Remember it is now "cooler" to be a vegan than a farmer!
You also cant and wont stop farmers with cattle coming of age for slaughter sending cattle without a plan in place.

Solutions.
1. FINISHERS. Should be asked to plan ahead to have their stock finished 3 weeks earlier than usual. In my own scenario id push cattle to 29mts 28days if i could. If finishers finished 3 weeks earlier at 24, 30 and 36 months then if a boycott was called for 3days or even a whole week at shortish notice then they have 2 weeks to get cattle killed once the boycott is lifted. I would not ask the man finishing u16mt bulls for qa to take part in this boycott. They represent only a small % of the market so if 3k bulls were slaughtered it represents less than 10% of the weekly kill. Their margin needs every last day of feeding.

2. PROTESTS. Every single event held in this country by the President of the IFA Joe Healy and Minister Creed both should be followed and protest there. Even better if the cameras are there. Stand in front of them sabotage every meeting or junket the IFA hold or the minister attends. They are supposed to be representing farming as a whole not just the Dairy sector (no offence ladies and gentlemen milkers). They are elected in place by the people for the people to get better fairer deals in place. They are leaning on the side of the factories as that is where the power is and naturally enough power brings fear and these guys are afraid to tackle the big issues that fall at every farm gate in the country. Unfortunately we have our own breed on here who has his paw so long in the greasy till he has become soft to the establishment and hardened against his own kind. SHAME ON YOU RANGLER.

3. SUCKLER MEN. Forget about the few pound from yer BGDP schemes and the eurostars. As simple Simon stared at its conception it would result in more calves/cow/year and less greenhouse gases per livestock unit. So more poorer quality beef animals that mature earlier and kill out lighter with no profit for the suckler man nor the finisher. They pushed for 5 star cows that would rear a poorer quality calf more efficiently. Ive not met one suckler farmer who had a 5 star cow rear his best calf. Run a few quiet dairy bred milky 5 stars alright but let them be there to allow a good weanling take an extra sup of milk as needed.

4. NSAI. We need to get the NSAI on board get a few standards in place. Firstly there needs to be NSAI certification put in place and monthly checks on grading machines in factories and the weighing of the carcass. The IFA levies from our factory cheques should be transferred to this scheme to firstly pay for the NSAI certification of standard in carcass grading. These grading machines need to be checked monthly by an NSAI auditor and a system set up that shows conformity of standards on a daily basis. There should also be a set standard set up for skinning the hyde from cattle and especially on the over trimming of the carcass. If there is a set standard in place then there can be no deviations on losing the extra few kg from over trimming of fat or at the neck area.

5. The beef plan should also push for the weekly tonnage of beef to match the numbers killed. It is like comparing apples to oranges to expect poorer cattle (factories have been showing us poorer grades and weights on a sliding downward scale for the last few years) to be weighing as heavy dead as cattle with better weights and grades were 5 years ago. A 25kg decline in carcass is 1,000,000kg of beef on a 40k weekly kill! With beef brisket on the bone (cheapest cut) been quoted at €7 per kg in the butchers thats a whole lot of extra beef that had disappeared over time......OR HAS IT....!!

When you're as long trying to organise farmers to take action as I have, you will have a very different attitude. you have accused the wrong person of having their paw in the till, I have always said here that I got enough without claiming all my expenses, I have had two letters since I left asking me to send in my expenses, I'm probably entitled to at least two or three grand if I wanted to claim it .
My landtake for the M6 probably made a couple hundred grand more due to the IFA/NRA road deal. and as for the tax concessions delivered on my lease, why would I want any thing more.
I got more criticism about the last protest than I ever got over protests, how dare we disrupt cattle supply and then in the next breath what you doing about beef prices, you've only to go back here on boards to 2012 to see it. Imagine 25 farmers turning up for a protest in the middle of the country in Tullamore....you couldn't make it up , absolute joke. ''shame on them''
You get to a point when you decide that people don't deserve my time