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Daily Million...Scam??

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    #62
    linvoysblues
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭linvoysblues


    Nonoperational wrote: »
    Your applying the martingale system to the lottery. Your completely crazy, and your understanding of probability is totally wrong. Stop before you destroy yourself with gambling debts. You lack a basic understanding of how the event works and how your bet works.
    Then when it doesn't work your putting it down to an independent bookmakers basically fixing the lottery to stop your number coming up. Why would the national lottery care if paddypower lost a few quid?

    This is unreal this whole thread.

    I do enjoy seeing people quash these systems that people convince themselves are working! It's strange how people don't seem to grasp the concept of 'individual events'. Yes, there's a 1/1,024 chance of tossing a coin and getting 10 heads out of 10, but if I get 9 heads in a row, that doesn't mean there's a 1,023/1,024 chance of getting a tails next. It's always 1/2. Unless it's a double headed coin.


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    #63
    Ando's Saggy Bottom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Ando's Saggy Bottom


    Incredible thread. I severely doubt the claims of rolling bets up to 200 quid are really being made on the Lotto based on dodgy mathematics, because if it is true I fear for humanity.


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    #64
    scheister
    Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭scheister


    Pete Campbell wrote: »
    Incredible thread. I severely doubt the claims of rolling bets up to 200 quid are really being made on the Lotto based on dodgy mathematics, because if it is true I fear for humanity.

    i worked for paddy power for 4 years for my sins and i am sorry to say the logic and maths used by people when gambling weather the lotto, football or what tie the minister of Finance will wear on budget day is shockingly bad at the height of it and looking at the poster who is using a martingale system stop gambling straight away. at worst of you wud never use it on anything that aint a 50/50 shot.


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    #65
    linvoysblues
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭linvoysblues


    scheister wrote: »
    i worked for paddy power for 4 years for my sins and i am sorry to say the logic and maths used by people when gambling weather the lotto, football or what tie the minister of Finance will wear on budget day is shockingly bad at the height of it and looking at the poster who is using a martingale system stop gambling straight away. at worst of you wud never use it on anything that aint a 50/50 shot.

    At least in sports using maths isn't completely irrelevant, form and stats can have an impact on the result of a match, but finding information that the bookie hasn't already found is a longshot in itself.

    But trying to apply maths, or a 'system' to something like the lottery, or roulette is just plain silly. Even in the fairest games in the casino that give the odds little to no advantage (roulette being the best of these), you are still more likely to lose all your money than to double it (just about).


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    #66
    Dun laoire
    Registered Users Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭Dun laoire


    Anyone know when the top prize was last won? I do this most days and never seems to be a winner on either the main or the plus draws. I only remember seeing a top prize winner once and thats going back roughly a year ago. Would much rather see a live draw daily rather than the numbers just popping up on our screens at 10pm.


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    #67
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,598 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Dun laoire wrote: »
    Anyone know when the top prize was last won? I do this most days and never seems to be a winner on either the main or the plus draws. I only remember seeing a top prize winner once and thats going back roughly a year ago. Would much rather see a live draw daily rather than the numbers just popping up on our screens at 10pm.

    The odds of winning Ireland Daily Million jackpot are 1 in 3,262,623. If not many tickets are being sold then the odds mean it won't be won often. I don't think seeing the draw live will change that.


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    #68
    Dun laoire
    Registered Users Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭Dun laoire


    dxhound2005 wrote: »

    The odds of winning Ireland Daily Million jackpot are 1 in 3,262,623. If not many tickets are being sold then the odds mean it won't be won often. I don't think seeing the draw live will change that.

    Well there seems to be some sceptics here regarding the way the draw is played. If it was done live like the lotto is you might see more tickets being sold. Anyway I'd love to know when it was last won.


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    #69
    roro2
    Registered Users Posts: 412 ✭✭roro2


    Dun laoire wrote: »
    Well there seems to be some sceptics here regarding the way the draw is played. If it was done live like the lotto is you might see more tickets being sold. Anyway I'd love to know when it was last won.

    There are also some sceptics on here who need their head examined.


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    #70
    MaosAm
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭MaosAm


    Daily millions was launched in Sept 2012 and the to prize of €1 million was won on the night the game was launched YES the first night (with approx 1,000 3# winners which is typical enough).

    The top prize was won 2 maybe 3 times but not since December. I'm not one for conspiracy theories and I'm not a skeptic by nature but I believe this game is inherently flawed. Without getting back into probability of numbers reoccurring etc. this game cannot be bona fide.


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    #71
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 20,598 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    MaosAm wrote: »
    Daily millions was launched in Sept 2012 and the to prize of €1 million was won on the night the game was launched YES the first night (with approx 1,000 3# winners which is typical enough).

    The top prize was won 2 maybe 3 times but not since December. I'm not one for conspiracy theories and I'm not a skeptic by nature but I believe this game is inherently flawed. Without getting back into probability of numbers reoccurring etc. this game cannot be bona fide.

    Inherently flawed, not bona fide? I don't know what that means. If approximately the same number of tickets were being bought for the Daily Millions as the main Lotto then the jackpot would be won approximately the same number of times. And the other prize categories would be in the same ballpark also. But if you compare match 3 for the two games Lotto has 30,000to 45,000 winners per draw, Daily Million only around 1,000.

    That is the simple reason that the jackpot is not being won, too few tickets being bought. That is also the reason that tickets bought in Ireland very rarely win the Euromillions jackpot. The odds are against it.


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    #72
    Kidchameleon
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    I still cant see why they dont broadcast the draw. A simple stream on the website would suffice and probably result in more ticket sales.


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    #73
    Mont
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 482 ✭✭Mont


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    I still cant see why they dont broadcast the draw. A simple stream on the website would suffice and probably result in more ticket sales.

    One reason - cost.


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    #74
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Mont wrote: »
    One reason - cost.

    I could stream a draw from my living room for no cost at all.


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    #75
    MaosAm
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭MaosAm


    I don't have an issue with the fact that the game is not streamed on tv. I understand Telly Bingo is played at 11am, the results are compiled and broadcast at 12:45. I find it difficult to accept Daily Millions is credible when it was won the night the game was launched and hasn't been won for the last 68 consecutive days.


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    #76
    28064212
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    MaosAm wrote: »
    I don't have an issue with the fact that the game is not streamed on tv. I understand Telly Bingo is played at 11am, the results are compiled and broadcast at 12:45. I find it difficult to accept Daily Millions is credible when it was won the night the game was launched and hasn't been won for the last 68 consecutive days.
    What are the odds on that?

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    #77
    donegal11
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    The fact it was won on the first draw would be helped by the publicity and hence sales of ticket for that draw. Tickets sold the for weeks leading up to launch would only be for that single draw while tickets bought now would be for todays draw (no accumulation of ticket sales)


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    #78
    MaosAm
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭MaosAm


    I take your point and would accept that logic if there had been a greater than average number of winners in the 3 no.s Category on the first night but there wasn't. 74 days and counting. I'm sorry but no one will convince me that Daily Millions isn't a scam.


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    #79
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    donegal11 wrote: »
    The fact it was won on the first draw would be helped by the publicity and hence sales of ticket for that draw. Tickets sold the for weeks leading up to launch would only be for that single draw while tickets bought now would be for todays draw (no accumulation of ticket sales)

    I doubt it they never advertised it until the day it started as I remember because All or Nothing and Monday Million were still running.


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    #80
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    Daily Million Plus was won last night. Sold in the West. Think that's the first time it's been won.


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    #81
    DigUm
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭DigUm


    The Daily Millions plus prize was won in 2012 but last nights win was the first top prize win in 2013 (133 days).


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    #82
    kavo911
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭kavo911


    It has to be a scam. Its just another way to bleed the poor or the stupid and I fall into both of these titles. Best way to avoid getting ripped off again is to stop playing it. I never knew how bad it was until I looked at these threads.
    Eyes wide open now.


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    #83
    Formosa
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭Formosa


    shocksy wrote: »
    Hardly a scam. All national lottery draws, and I'm sure this one will be no different are independently observed by KPMG, and if it is using a random number generator, that will have had to go through rigorous testing before being approved.

    That's grand so, sure KPMG have no history of corruption or incompetence.


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    #84
    rubbledoubledo
    Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭rubbledoubledo


    Have to agree.
    Telling my mother for the last few weeks to give up playing it.
    Scam


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    #85
    Amik
    Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭Amik


    I've been playing and monitoring the game since October and there hasn't been a single million winner from October to today.


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    #86
    Daniel Kellett
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Daniel Kellett


    I can't believe that Daily Million hasn't been won since October. I quite regulary play Daily Million but what makes me a bit suspicious is that i checked on their website and there's even a draw on christmas day, there would hardly be anyone working in lottery hq or anyone from kpmg working on christmas day.


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    #87
    DigUm
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭DigUm


    Look at last nights sets of numbers. 4 of the 7 numbers 'drawn randomly' are the same ; 14, 21, 32 & 37.
    That has happened a number of times in this game. Out of 39 numbers 4 of the same numbers came out in both draws


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    #88
    corcaigh1
    Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭corcaigh1


    Complete money racket :mad:


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    #89
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,491 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    DigUm wrote: »
    Look at last nights sets of numbers. 4 of the 7 numbers 'drawn randomly' are the same ; 14, 21, 32 & 37.
    That has happened a number of times in this game.
    How often?
    DigUm wrote: »
    Out of 39 numbers 4 of the same numbers came out in both draws
    And what are the odds of that?

    Out of curiosity, what do you think the benefit is to the "fixers" of having 4 of the 7 numbers come out in both draws?

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    #90
    todolist
    Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭todolist


    I gave up playing this game.I hope the other lotto games are legit but this being Ireland I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing is a fix.


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    #91
    Daniel Kellett
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Daniel Kellett


    Daily Million has to be a scam. I have gave up playing this game because I think its a fix. I think Daily Million is only a clever income stream for the lottery because of the recession. There is one thing that makes me strongly believe thats its a fix is that there is even a draw on christmas day, which makes me think the numbers are being picked by a computer. The reason for this is that no other lottery draw takes place on a christmas day, for example, if Christmas day was on a Wednesday the lotto draw would be left to the next day.


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