The Grapevine (OFF TOPIC CHAT) Part II

Tilikum17 · 05-11-2020 11:13pm

Alpro have brought out a new milk for a cup of tea.

https://www.alpro.com/uk/products/drinks/soya-plain/my-cuppa/

Bigbooty · 06-11-2020 9:03pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Alpro have brought out a new milk for a cup of tea.

https://www.alpro.com/uk/products/drinks/soya-plain/my-cuppa/

Interesting, I wonder how close it'll be texturally? Cause the plant milks never got get the texture right in my opinion.

Worztron · 09-11-2020 10:27am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Alpro have brought out a new milk for a cup of tea.

https://www.alpro.com/uk/products/drinks/soya-plain/my-cuppa/

I wonder why it says 'Vegetarian' and not 'Vegan' - since it's Plant-based. 😕

Bigbooty · 09-11-2020 10:49am

Worztron wrote: »

I wonder why it says 'Vegetarian' and not 'Vegan' - since it's Plant-based. &#55357;&#56853;

Soya base (Water, Hulled soya beans (5.7%)), Vegetable oils and fats (Sunflower, Shea), Sugar, Chicory root fibre, Emulsifier (Sucrose esters of fatty acids), Sea salt, Stabilisers (Locust bean gum, Gellan gum), Flavourings

That's what's in it. Plant based is the marketing friendly term for vegan. People tend to be more open to something that's plant based rather than labelled vegan. Many people find the word vegan off putting. I know a few cafes that sell vegan deserts but never tell the customers that they are vegan because people won't buy them. It's absurd really.

henryporter · 09-11-2020 11:56am

Anyone had the Rowntrees Fruit Pastilles yet - they are fantastic! Picked them up in Tesco over the weekend.

Tar.Aldarion · 09-11-2020 12:30pm

Yep, taste like I remember (little softer which is good)! Haven't had any in nearly 20 years.

rubadub · 09-11-2020 2:29pm

Worztron wrote: »

I wonder why it says 'Vegetarian' and not 'Vegan' - since it's Plant-based. 😕

https://www.alpro.com/za/faq/detail/is-alpro-suitable-for-vegetarians-and-vegans

Is Alpro suitable for Vegetarians and Vegans?
Yes. All products in the Alpro range are suitable for vegetarians and vegans, and approved by the Vegan Society as being free from animal ingredients.

Unearthly · 11-11-2020 3:44pm

https://lovindublin.com/dublin/irelands-first-walk-in-vegan-bakery-opens-this-week

All vegan bakery opening this week in Drumcondra

Tar.Aldarion · 11-11-2020 5:40pm

I live near it, I'll be in on opening day.

Vexorg · 11-11-2020 9:55pm

Had a Bearlemon Lemon and Blueberry muffin from Bua Coffee a while back, it was good. Look forward to checking out the bakery.

Bigbooty · 11-11-2020 10:47pm

Unearthly wrote: »

https://lovindublin.com/dublin/irelands-first-walk-in-vegan-bakery-opens-this-week

All vegan bakery opening this week in Drumcondra

Gonna check it out over the weekend. Thanks for the heads up!

Tar.Aldarion · 14-11-2020 9:12pm

Went in to today! I was delighted (and saddened) to see the giant queue, I'm even more delighted that these were excellent.
A lot of stuff was gone by the time I got there so I guess I'll have to go back for an icecream sandwich. I got a biscoff muffin, a blueberry lemon pistachio one (my girlfriend said it was the best muffin she ever had) and a sea salt brownie. Staff were very friendly (shoutout to guy in the pink tshirt), coffee was excellent too, really recommend.

Tilikum17 · 14-11-2020 9:24pm

We got mini doughnuts today in vegano delicatessen in Galway.

Unreal.

Bigbooty · 14-11-2020 9:59pm

Was also at bear lemon with the OH. The queue was halfway down the street by 11.30. Got a cinnamon swirl bun, one of them muffins and a chocolate croissant. All amazing and really tasty. It's such a great addition to the city. I also really recommend it!

Unearthly · 14-11-2020 10:14pm

Lockdown is cruel

Not jealous at all

auspicious · 24-11-2020 9:25pm

auspicious wrote: »

..judge Robin Postle ruled he was “satisfied overwhelmingly that ethical veganism does constitute a philosophical belief".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/veganism-has-always-been-more-about-living-an-ethical-life-than-just-avoiding-meat-and-dairy-129307

Under the UK Equality Act beliefs are compatible with human dignity and don’t conflict with the fundamental rights of others.

A philosophical belief is a non-religious belief and includes things like humanism, secularism and atheism. Something can be a philosophical belief if you strongly and genuinely believe in it and it concerns an important aspect of human life and behaviour.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-50981359

24-11-2020 9:38pm

auspicious wrote: »

A philosophical belief is a non-religious belief and includes things like humanism, secularism and atheism. Something can be a philosophical belief if you strongly and genuinely believe in it and it concerns an important aspect of human life and behaviour.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-50981359

Good to see.

Although I didn’t really know about the term ethical vegan and it’s difference to the term vegan.

auspicious · 24-11-2020 10:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Good to see.

Although I didn’t really know about the term ethical vegan and it’s difference to the term vegan.

There is none as we know it.
I think 'vegan' is reference to people who go WFPB for health or environmental reasons. Just a misnomer in this instance.

Unearthly · 24-11-2020 10:56pm

auspicious wrote: »

A philosophical belief is a non-religious belief and includes things like humanism, secularism and atheism. Something can be a philosophical belief if you strongly and genuinely believe in it and it concerns an important aspect of human life and behaviour.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-50981359

I seen a Guardian article that referenced this 2015 study

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1368430215618253

Saying that vegans are discriminated against like other minority groups.

Have to say apart from boards.ie current affairs I don't encounter any type of discrimination thankfully. Work, friends and family are very supportive.

Unless they say it behind my back

:pac:

Ten of Swords · 25-11-2020 9:25pm

I've moved the thread discussing the MRCI report into working conditions in the meat sector to the Current Affairs forum

There is a redirect link still in this forum. Honestly I think it's a better fit there, especially as it is a current news item

auspicious · 02-12-2020 9:44am

The “chicken bites”, produced by the US company Eat Just, have passed a safety review by the Singapore Food Agency and the approval could open the door to a future when all meat is produced without the killing of livestock, the company said.

Dozens of firms are developing cultivated chicken, beef and pork, with a view to slashing the impact of industrial livestock production on the climate and nature crises, as well as providing cleaner, drug-free and cruelty-free meat.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/02/no-kill-lab-grown-meat-to-go-on-sale-for-first-time

(-Singapore's approval of Eat Just's product will likely attract competitors to set up operations in the city state, and it could also prompt other countries to approve it, too.
-No antibiotics were used in the process, and the chicken had lower microbiological content than conventional chicken, [Just Eat] said.)

Josh Tetrick, of Eat Just, said: “I think the approval is one of the most significant milestones in the food industry in the last handful of decades. It’s an open door and it’s up to us and other companies to take that opportunity. My hope is this leads to a world in the next handful of years where the majority of meat doesn’t require killing a single animal or tearing down a single tree.”

Unearthly · 02-12-2020 11:20am

I definitely think this technology is a gamechanger. It solves so many issues.

I'll stick to my plant food but hopefully meat eaters adopt it

igCorcaigh · 02-12-2020 12:03pm

auspicious wrote: »

The “chicken bites”, produced by the US company Eat Just, have passed a safety review by the Singapore Food Agency and the approval could open the door to a future when all meat is produced without the killing of livestock, the company said.

Dozens of firms are developing cultivated chicken, beef and pork, with a view to slashing the impact of industrial livestock production on the climate and nature crises, as well as providing cleaner, drug-free and cruelty-free meat.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/02/no-kill-lab-grown-meat-to-go-on-sale-for-first-time

(-Singapore's approval of Eat Just's product will likely attract competitors to set up operations in the city state, and it could also prompt other countries to approve it, too.
-No antibiotics were used in the process, and the chicken had lower microbiological content than conventional chicken, [Just Eat] said.)

Josh Tetrick, of Eat Just, said: “I think the approval is one of the most significant milestones in the food industry in the last handful of decades. It’s an open door and it’s up to us and other companies to take that opportunity. My hope is this leads to a world in the next handful of years where the majority of meat doesn’t require killing a single animal or tearing down a single tree.”

It's interesting for sure!
Whatever happened to that company that was making lab grown dairy milk, anybody know?

Ten of Swords · 02-12-2020 2:14pm

Tetra Pak funded a major study into it, the results were encouraging anyway

https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2020/10/14/Lab-grown-dairy-reaches-mass-scaleability-Tetra-Pak-explores-plausible-futures-of-dairy

Tilikum17 · 09-12-2020 8:34pm

Has anyone seen the dairy free baileys yet?

I’ve tried Dunnes, Joyce’s supermarket & O’Briens - no joy

Would Tesco have it?

auspicious · 09-12-2020 8:39pm

I got it in a Tesco last year.

Supervalu advertising one
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://shop.supervalu.ie/shopping/wine-beer-spirits-cream-liquers-baileys-almande-dairy-free-70-centilitre-/p-1632340000&ved=2ahUKEwjH4NGa08HtAhWaVBUIHSL1CygQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2OS3Qi8rpUej3_9K-lEuqt

Tilikum17 · 09-12-2020 8:47pm

auspicious wrote: »

I got it in a Tesco last year.

Supervalu advertising one
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://shop.supervalu.ie/shopping/wine-beer-spirits-cream-liquers-baileys-almande-dairy-free-70-centilitre-/p-1632340000&ved=2ahUKEwjH4NGa08HtAhWaVBUIHSL1CygQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2OS3Qi8rpUej3_9K-lEuqt

Sorry yeah, my local super value didn’t have it either

Tar.Aldarion · 10-12-2020 2:09am

May be discontinued, not sure. Have asked them.

Tilikum17 · 11-12-2020 7:31am

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

May be discontinued, not sure. Have asked them.

It’s still on the bailey’ website.

Bigbooty · 01-01-2021 10:55pm

Take a veg is closing down

best vegan burgers in town.

Mr.Saturn · 02-01-2021 5:20am

Does anyone know if Carrot's Tail in Rathmines is closed for good or just taking an extended break? I've tried to check their social media but it's not entirely clear.

Bigbooty · 02-01-2021 6:24am

Yea, it went before Christmas. Last day was 22nd or something.

Bigbooty · 09-01-2021 4:21pm

Jammie Dodgers changed their recipe recently and are now Vegan.

Thelonious Monk · 11-01-2021 11:11am

Denmark asks its citizens to eat less meat, can you imagine this happening in Ireland? Bit rich really given they're one of the biggest pig meat exporters in the world, raised in horrible conditions no less - still though, somewhat encouraging

https://inews.co.uk/news/danish-government-tells-citizens-eat-climate-friendly-diet-vegetables-pulses-822888

auspicious · 14-01-2021 9:52pm

Over the four weeks [ March '20 ] following, plant-based meat sales continued to grow at a rate of 61%, almost twice as fast as animal-based meat, during the same period. Moreover, while plant-based meat sales maintain continued growth, animal-based meat sales continue to decline.
Plant-based cheese retail sales grew at 95% (compared to last year) and growth continued at 54% during the four weeks post panic buying.
Finally, tofu and tempeh retail sales have spiked as well, with growth at 88% (compared to last year) during peak panic buying and 35% in the four weeks post panic buying.
https://plantbasedfoods.org/plant-based-food-outpaces-total-food-sales-during-covid19/

Covid seems to have reinforced people's perception of the need to act and buy sustainably with a view for environmentalism and ethics.
We are replacing our appetite for flesh with an appetite for change.
These strong numbers prove that the plant-based industry is here to stay and will only continue to grow.

auspicious · 15-01-2021 2:45am

Be warned, if you turn your back she'll kill you and eat you and your family.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y_XPLMxGH0

Thelonious Monk · 19-01-2021 12:38pm

https://www.businesspost.ie/climate-environment/survey-finds-59-are-eating-less-meat-to-ease-climate-crisis-5a90cd71

More than half of Irish people have said they are reducing their meat intake to help fight climate change, according to a new survey by the European Investment Bank (EIB).

The EIB Climate Survey attracted over 30,000 respondents from across the EU, 1,000 of whom were from Ireland.

Tar.Aldarion · 19-01-2021 12:55pm

Saw a vegan restaurant got a michelin star yesterday &#55356;&#57225;

auspicious · 02-02-2021 11:46pm

I think this image is really cool. It immediately reminds me of aussie Andy Merrick's inauguration speech to Victoria parliament titled 'A dog is a pig is a bear is a boy'.

Worztron · 03-02-2021 9:06pm

auspicious wrote: »

I think this image is really cool. It immediately reminds me of aussie Andy Merrick's inauguration speech to Victoria parliament titled 'A dog is a pig is a bear is a boy'.

It reminds me of the intro to 'The Incredible Hulk (1978–1982)' TV show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9MysTXM_P4

Thelonious Monk · 04-02-2021 11:01am

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/03/plant-based-diets-crucial-to-saving-global-wildlife-says-report

Another UN backed report.

More than 80% of global farmland is used to raise animals, which provide only 18% of calories eaten. Reversing the rising trend of meat consumption removes the pressure to clear new land and further damage wildlife. It also frees up existing land for the second solution, restoring native ecosystems to increase biodiversity.

Realistically we need government policy on moving towards a more plant based diet, I cant see it happening any time soon, definitely not in Ireland, but it would solve so many issues going forward.

auspicious · 04-02-2021 6:48pm

NSFW video, depicts animals in distress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R0IQ8xuvl8

Plenty of scholarly studies confirm longterm employees can suffer psychological distress such as PTSD for example, resulting in increased domestic and societal violence, alcohol and drug abuse, also carpal tunnel syndrome and more from exposure to the daily routine in slaughterhouses.

Thelonious Monk · 04-02-2021 7:22pm

I guess some people need the money so bad they have to do it. I wonder what would happen to the industry in Ireland if they couldn't get foreign workers for some reason?

White Clover · 04-02-2021 8:02pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/03/plant-based-diets-crucial-to-saving-global-wildlife-says-report

Another UN backed report.

More than 80% of global farmland is used to raise animals, which provide only 18% of calories eaten. Reversing the rising trend of meat consumption removes the pressure to clear new land and further damage wildlife. It also frees up existing land for the second solution, restoring native ecosystems to increase biodiversity.

Realistically we need government policy on moving towards a more plant based diet, I cant see it happening any time soon, definitely not in Ireland, but it would solve so many issues going forward.

Its not going to happen.
Sales of beef are through the roof with the last 3 weeks. So much that even the factories themselves underestimated the demand and didn't have the cattle from their own feedlots to fill the gap.
They had their agents trawling the countryside looking for cattle and were paying up to €80 per head more for finished cattle in marts than they were quoting themselves.
This week they are trying to drop the price in an attempt to flush out any remaining fit cattle to try keep up with demand.

Bigbooty · 05-02-2021 12:11am

White Clover wrote: »

Its not going to happen.
Sales of beef are through the roof with the last 3 weeks. So much that even the factories themselves underestimated the demand and didn't have the cattle from their own feedlots to fill the gap.
They had their agents trawling the countryside looking for cattle and were paying up to €80 per head more for finished cattle in marts than they were quoting themselves.
This week they are trying to drop the price in an attempt to flush out any remaining fit cattle to try keep up with demand.

Why on earth do you think any of us in this forum would want to hear about that?

White Clover · 05-02-2021 10:55am

Bigbooty wrote: »

Why on earth do you think any of us in this forum would want to hear about that?

To bring some reality to the discussion here.
Thelonious Monk said that government policy is required to force people towards a plant based diet.
I have given you an example why it wont happen, mainly that beef sales are growing at a steady rate indicating that people like to eat beef.

henryporter · 07-02-2021 12:11am

Definitely off topic - not sure that it’s of any interest to us here though.

White Clover wrote: »

To bring some reality to the discussion here.
Thelonious Monk said that government policy is required to force people towards a plant based diet.
I have given you an example why it wont happen, mainly that beef sales are growing at a steady rate indicating that people like to eat beef.

Ten of Swords · 07-02-2021 2:57pm

Mod

A reminder to all posters that videos depicting animals in distress MUST be labelled NSFW

This requirement is in the forum charter and there are no exceptions to this

auspicious · 13-02-2021 3:30am

An advert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psdtyJ2aizI

greysides · 14-02-2021 8:34pm

That video is 'somewhat' disingenuous, lambs that young are not slaughtered, but they do look cuter and better suited to making the desired point.

The Grapevine (OFF TOPIC CHAT) Part II

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