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Luas - a system in decline

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  • #152
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    Tomrota wrote: »
    Then how come Vienna, with a lower population density than Dublin, can have 30 tram lines and 5 metro lines? Hmm.

    Why is Dublin among a list of third world countries when rated for congestion? More buses isn’t the answer to mass transit in any universe I’m afraid.

    When were they built? Where did I say buses were the answer?

    Also if planned properly, underground/metro is obviously the solution but inevitably in Ireland we'll plan it to suit a politicians local area rather than with real planning in mind.

    The Irish attitude of "Build it and worry about the cost later", well I think the childrens hospital proves what a fallacy that argument is.


  • #153
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,854 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    The Irish attitude of "Build it and worry about the cost later", well I think the childrens hospital proves what a fallacy that argument is.
    I dont think anyone adopted that attitude here, a huge amount regarding that hospital has been a farce, but I dont think paying a fortune for it, was by design!

    the infrastructure projects here, have been good at coming in on time and budget...


  • #154
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭crossman47


    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    When were they built? Where did I say buses were the answer?

    Also if planned properly, underground/metro is obviously the solution but inevitably in Ireland we'll plan it to suit a politicians local area rather than with real planning in mind.

    Politicians just react to their voters. The people in Ranelagh stopped the plans for metro by lobbying. Sometimes you feel democracy has a lot to answer for.


  • #155
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    crossman47 wrote: »
    Politicians just react to their voters. The people in Ranelagh stopped the plans for metro by lobbying. Sometimes you feel democracy has a lot to answer for.

    The needs of the few out-weigh the needs of the many when there's votes at stake. Thousands of houses going out in Cherrywood and a perfectly valid and planned proposal to upgrade the public transport link.
    You couldn't make it up.


  • #156
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    The needs of the few out-weigh the needs of the many when there's votes at stake. Thousands of houses going out in Cherrywood and a perfectly valid and planned proposal to upgrade the public transport link.
    You couldn't make it up.

    The story was a bit more complex that I had heard originally;

    https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1218582058995527680


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  • #157
    Lord Glentoran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Lord Glentoran


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    I dont think anyone adopted that attitude here, a huge amount regarding that hospital has been a farce, but I dont think paying a fortune for it, was by design!

    the infrastructure projects here, have been good at coming in on time and budget...

    A rail link to Ballymun and the airport has been on the drawing board in one shape or another since 1975. Hardly a masterpiece of timeliness that, and a project that in all its iterations has had objectors magically appearing for one reason or another every single time.


  • #158
    riclad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,184 ✭✭✭riclad


    i think a new luas route to ballymun is more likely than a rail link.
    If it ever happens .


  • #159
    Lord Glentoran
    Closed Accounts Posts: 876 ✭✭✭Lord Glentoran


    riclad wrote: »
    i think a new luas route to ballymun is more likely than a rail link.
    If it ever happens .

    Well the mania for redesigning everything pointlessly will ensure that. Sometime around 2030.


  • #160
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,854 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    crossman47 wrote: »
    Politicians just react to their voters. The people in Ranelagh stopped the plans for metro by lobbying. Sometimes you feel democracy has a lot to answer for.

    no that was caused by a sewer...


  • #161
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    crossman47 wrote: »
    Politicians just react to their voters. The people in Ranelagh stopped the plans for metro by lobbying. Sometimes you feel democracy has a lot to answer for.

    I thought the metro was going to go as far as charlemont and then switch to the luas track?


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  • #162
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I thought the metro was going to go as far as charlemont and then switch to the luas track?

    Won't happen as part if MetroLink


  • #163
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,854 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    analysing this, given we had no light rail previously and first and foremost this is ireland, they were never ever, going to get it right the first time with luas were they?

    I mean go underground in city centre, at least on the north / south spine etc? The luas might have been fit for purpose when it opened. I also mean the at grade junction at dunville avenue, which I believe had an overpass before and it was ripped down?! It is not fit for purpose today in my opinion! and with the sheer amount of new development, the sooner it becomes impossible for the politicians to ignore the carnage on it , the better!


  • #164
    Qrt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Qrt


    Currently sat in the cold at Belgard because I have to change for onward travel to Saggart.

    Get off the Tallaght Luas, only to see one or the shuttle trams just have pulled away. It could have waited the thirty seconds to get everyone on. This has happened to me a few times within recent months, with the worst being when the last connecting Luas of the night just didn’t show up on a freezing December night and I had a forty minute walk home.

    I don’t remember this crap happening until the last year or so.


  • #165
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    There are so many hygiene hazards on the LUAS with Coronavirus


  • #166
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Gael23 wrote: »
    There are so many hygiene hazards on the LUAS with Coronavirus

    Fixed your post.


  • #167
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Fixed your post.

    Becoming even more pronounced with the spread of a contiguous infection


  • #168
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Becoming even more pronounced with the spread of a contiguous infection

    is it any more contagious than a comparable system in another country though?


  • #169
    Sultan of Bling
    Registered Users Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    Qrt wrote:
    Get off the Tallaght Luas, only to see one or the shuttle trams just have pulled away. It could have waited the thirty seconds to get everyone on. This has happened to me a few times within recent months, with the worst being when the last connecting Luas of the night just didn’t show up on a freezing December night and I had a forty minute walk home.


    I've noticed this happen a lot at belgard.

    Nonsensical.


  • #170
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    donvito99 wrote: »
    is it any more contagious than a comparable system in another country though?
    Maybe not but there are just so many places for germs to spread, from the ticket vending machines to the door buttons and the grab handles.


  • #171
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Maybe not but there are just so many places for germs to spread, from the ticket vending machines to the door buttons and the grab handles.

    Wash your hands. Don't touch your face.

    Or seeing as its cold, wear gloves.


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  • #172
    Breezer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Breezer


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Wash your hands. Don't touch your face.

    Or seeing as its cold, wear gloves.

    If you wear gloves, the virus gets on your gloves. You then need to clean the gloves. Don't touch your face with gloves on either. The virus gets into your body through your nose, mouth and eyes.

    Edit: Link, down the bottom - https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/


  • #173
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Advice is to avoid packed public transport. Not good for the Luas


  • #174
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,854 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Advice is to avoid packed public transport. Not good for the Luas

    its not going to be packed from tomorrow on, with the schools and colleges closed, elderly avoiding it in particular, more working from home too...


  • #175
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,759 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Luas had staff at the Point over last few days ensuring trams were cleaned, can see a reduced service coming in soon.


  • #176
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,854 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Luas had staff at the Point over last few days ensuring trams were cleaned, can see a reduced service coming in soon.

    would be very interesting to see the effect that had on traffic on the quays in particular, then again hard to know, given traffic will be down a lot one way or another...


  • #177
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,528 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Luas had staff at the Point over last few days ensuring trams were cleaned, can see a reduced service coming in soon.

    So reduce the service, even less room for people.

    Makes no sense.


  • #178
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    So reduce the service, even less room for people.

    Makes no sense.

    Less people travelling though?


  • #179
    Infini
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Luas had staff at the Point over last few days ensuring trams were cleaned, can see a reduced service coming in soon.

    Slight offtopic but heard talk of cutting back to a saturday service on Rail services as well, the amount of people travelling is down to christmas week levels of footfall yesterday.
    whisky_galore wrote: »
    So reduce the service, even less room for people.

    Makes no sense.

    Numbers are down significantly there were trains yesterday during middle of rush hour that had seats in the middle of town which you'd normally never see, they arent gonna be reducing services simply because less are travelling but also to save fuel and energy as well to reduce costs. Everyone is avoiding travelling if they can and schools etc are closed with others working at home too.


  • #180
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    So reduce the service, even less room for people.

    Makes no sense.

    There will be a fraction of people commuting as most companies have their staff working from home where possible


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  • #181
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,759 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    So reduce the service, even less room for people.

    Makes no sense.

    Well traffic is easily down 40-50% and likely even lower next week so in my opinion I expect Luas will move to a Saturday service with a few extra services around peak times. No need for a 3 minute service, 5-6 is enough at peak.

    They usually have a summer timetable so they might just move to that either.
    Infini wrote: »
    Slight offtopic but heard talk of cutting back to a saturday service on Rail services as well, the amount of people travelling is down to christmas week levels of footfall yesterday.



    Numbers are down significantly there were trains yesterday during middle of rush hour that had seats in the middle of town which you'd normally never see, they arent gonna be reducing services simply because less are travelling but also to save fuel and energy as well to reduce costs. Everyone is avoiding travelling if they can and schools etc are closed with others working at home too.

    Think some routes like Maynooth and even DART can go back to hourly and 15m temporarily. Can't see them touching Intercity way to much hassle involved.


  • #182
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    It might not be a bad idea to keep schedules as they are in the interests of social distancing and reducing volumes on one service


  • #183
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,854 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Gael23 wrote: »
    It might not be a bad idea to keep schedules as they are in the interests of social distancing and reducing volumes on one service

    probably, not a bloody chance the luas drivers wont be getting full pay, one way or another...


  • #184
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,185 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    probably, not a bloody chance the luas drivers wont be getting full pay, one way or another...


    so what?
    why shouldn't they get paid in full for doing their job? service is running as normal.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #185
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    What could possibly go wrong with keeping a service going at a time when we are trying to stop people from travelling.......


  • #186
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    probably, not a bloody chance the luas drivers wont be getting full pay, one way or another...

    If the unions kick up during a national emergency they will be irreparably broken


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  • #187
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Gael23 wrote: »
    If the unions kick up during a national emergency they will be irreparably broken

    Depends what they "kick up" about.


  • #188
    loyatemu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,115 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    What could possibly go wrong with keeping a service going at a time when we are trying to stop people from travelling.......

    a lot of people still have to go to work. Other than that, there's nothing much for people to travel to so the numbers should be self-limiting.

    Some people have probably switched from public transport to driving as well.


  • #189
    cython
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,773 ✭✭✭cython


    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    What could possibly go wrong with keeping a service going at a time when we are trying to stop people from travelling.......

    Any intervention with PT needs to be total if at all, and that would still be a bad idea. As mentioned a number of times already, if you reduce frequency you inherently reduce capacity and thus space for social distancing.

    If you completely cancel PT that issue of distance ceases to be an issue, but at the cost of introducing far greater issues of those responsible for fundamental services (medical provision, and even simple supply chain for groceries) being unable to get to and from work.


  • #190
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Depends what they "kick up" about.
    /
    Drivers being laid off/redeployed/having hours cut


  • #191
    zom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    I just red interesting article on Vice (WARNING!!) about fail of public transport in US.
    Linked here: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=112857419

    Reading it was like having deejay-vu all Irish problems we have, and explains a lot of why we can't have nice metro or trams systems that can be easily afforded in poor Eastern European cities..


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  • #192
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,185 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Gael23 wrote: »
    /
    Drivers being laid off/redeployed/having hours cut

    there would be nowhere to re-deploy drivers so i'm not sure how you came up with that one.
    hours cut is probably more likely then actual staff layoffs as it gives extra flexibility in the event service was cut, and if services did get cut, given it wouldn't be down to the company and given it would be for a genuinely good reason, the unions aren't going to do anything, in fact they may possibly even welcome it.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #193
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    What could possibly go wrong with keeping a service going at a time when we are trying to stop people from travelling.......
    Is it the doctors, nurses and healthcare assistants that you want to stop from travelling?


    Or the supermarket staff who are providing your food and your toilet paper?


  • #194
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Is it the doctors, nurses and healthcare assistants that you want to stop from travelling?


    Or the supermarket staff who are providing your food and your toilet paper?

    I thought you'd be proposing that they all cycle anyway?

    Its not these people travelling who are the problem, its every other idiot who doesn't need to travel anywhere who thinks they should.


  • #195
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,492 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    I thought you'd be proposing that they all cycle anyway?
    Not in the slightest. Funnily enough, there is lots of common ground between cyclists and public transport users. Both benefit hugely from there being less 80% empty cages flying around them at high speeds, under the control of people busy updating their WhatsApp groups.

    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    Its not these people travelling who are the problem, its every other idiot who doesn't need to travel anywhere who thinks they should.
    Are there really that many people choosing to spend time on buses or trams when they don't really need to? Any buses that I've seen around have been close to completely empty.


  • #196
    jacool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭jacool


    Truck drivers have started picking off the LUAS, one at a time!


  • #197
    Qrt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Qrt


    jacool wrote: »
    Truck drivers have started picking off the LUAS, one at a time!

    Are there any repercussions at all?


  • #198
    AMKC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,317 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    That was quiet the crash between the Luas and the truck. I suppose in some ways its lucky as if this had been in normal times it could have been a lot busier and more people could have been injured or killed even. The pub could have been full with people too and a lot more damage would have been done there as the shutters would not have been down so more people would have been injured. That's the only good thing less to no people around because this in not normal times so less injuries and deaths than would have otherwise been had this been say last year.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • #199
    [Deleted User]
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    AMKC wrote: »
    The pub could have been full with people too and a lot more damage would have been done there as the shutters would not have been down so more people would have been injured.

    At 9.30am ?


  • #200
    LollipopJimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,443 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    BrownFinger wrote: »
    At 9.30am ?

    Where are you from with your pubs closed at 9.30am?


  • #201
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    A pedestrian was killed a few years ago at this exact location if I'm not mistaken in almost identical circumstances i.e. vehicles hits Luas, vehicle spins out and runs over pedestrian. Everyone else in their metal cage walks away relatively unharmed, as usual.


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