Shelbourne Hotel remove historic statues due to association with slavery - *Read OP**

Granadino · 29-07-2020 11:05am

What is shocking is the price of a pint in the Shelbourne bar.

Charles Babbage · 29-07-2020 11:06am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Illegal for the hotel to change its own decorations? Do people not even pretend to read the stories before a kneejerk reaction?

Do they have planning permission to alter the facade of the building?

Vologda69 · 29-07-2020 11:06am

Irish Georgian Society have made a complaint to Dublin city council.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40023842.html

thebaz · 29-07-2020 11:13am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Yes they should not want to run a profitable business. I think they should all just close down. Staff can go on welfare.

But who will pay for welfare via income tax if all of the businesses who only operate for profit close?

you really missed my point - of course the Marriot should be allowed make a profit - its the hypocritical Virtue signalling I have an issue with - The marketing department will jump on any hip cause that makes them look good and (woke) not cause they really care about the cause but because it will make more money in the end. Pure subtle Advertising / not about compassion - look who the Shelbourne actually serves !

suicide_circus · 29-07-2020 11:13am

Granadino wrote: »

What is shocking is the price of a pint in the Shelbourne bar.

Yes their pricing is surely exclusionary to the most vulnerable in society, we need to stamp out this kind of elitism.

Zebra3 · 29-07-2020 11:18am

Omackeral wrote: »

The Pyramids need to go ASAP

Why?

TomTomTim · 29-07-2020 11:19am

OMM 0000 wrote: »

It is worrying to see this US crap making its way into Irish politics and culture. We should all try to reject it as it's toxic and divisive and is almost like a virus, making people obsessed with race and sex.

Worrying, but unsurprising. I became political a few years ago when I realized this **** was going to reach our shores eventually. The interconnected world made all this inevitable, it was always going to happen when Irish people consume mass amounts of American media. It's been this way every since the creation of cinema, and wider media, but the internet has rapidly accelerated the process.

punisher5112 · 29-07-2020 11:24am

The only way is to put all white people onto boats and send them to Africa and send everyone in Africa to the rest of the world....

Yakult · 29-07-2020 11:26am

The hotel is late to the "likes" party, it was trendy two months now. Now they just seem out of touch.

y0ssar1an22 · 29-07-2020 11:30am

Mr McGreevy said it was an interesting decision by the hotel "considering we are not talking about contemporary slavery here. We're talking about slavery that would have occurred in the time of Pharaohs".

i suppose slavery is slavery, and anything that represents slavery needs to be removed.

nullzero · 29-07-2020 11:32am

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

Mr McGreevy said it was an interesting decision by the hotel "considering we are not talking about contemporary slavery here. We're talking about slavery that would have occurred in the time of Pharaohs".

i suppose slavery is slavery, and anything that represents slavery needs to be removed.

The only rational reason for removing these statues is to stop idiots in masks vandalising them and the rest of the hotel along with them.

29-07-2020 11:34am

Zebra3 wrote: »

Why?

They were built by slaves to be the sarcophagi of Pharaohs who owned them. They are the definition of what these people profess to hate.

Thankfully they were constructed by African Pharaohs thousands of years before the Caucasian Ptolemy dynasty so they'll get a pass.

y0ssar1an22 · 29-07-2020 11:35am

nullzero wrote: »

The only rational reason for removing these statues is to stop idiots in masks vandalising them and the rest of the hotel along with them.

unfortunately it has become a self fulfilling prophecy at this stage. if they do go back up they will be vandalised.

suicide_circus · 29-07-2020 11:35am

"Only status of female African royalty in Ireland torn down by hotel group"

Dosnt have the same ring to it as a headline.

The Nal · 29-07-2020 11:40am

This is "Two Moors" by Rembrandt.

Its located in the Mauritshuis museum in Holland. Burn it down.

I'm also calling for all copies of Pulp Fiction to be destroyed.

RandomName2 · 29-07-2020 11:42am

Overheal wrote: »

Like what, leaving Nazi statues in the Berlin city center?

There’s a proper place for history and it’s not always in positions of honor.

Given that the two most recent high profile statues in the United States to be pulled down are of a Norwegian immigrant abolitionist who died fighting the Confederate States, and of a black woman representing social progress, I'd say that any statue is now fair game. If you're wondering what the problem with a satue representing someone who died fighting against slavery it is because

Nada Elmikashfi wrote:

the statue of Heg is a monument to a white savior and not a monument to black liberation.

empowerwisconsin.org/dem-senate-candidate-endorses-rioters

But on the topic of fascism, I wonder when Sean Russell or Yeats' statue will get the chop here, I wonder?

But addressing your actual point, there is plenty of Nazi architecture in Berlin, and plenty of art that predated the Nazis that they appropriated (like the Brandenburg Gate). Do you suggest dynamiting it all?

Zebra3 · 29-07-2020 11:43am

Deleted User wrote: »

They were built by slaves to be the sarcophagi of Pharaohs who owned them. They are the definition of what these people profess to hate.

Thankfully they were constructed by African Pharaohs thousands of years before the Caucasian Ptolemy dynasty so they'll get a pass.

No shortage of experts out there dispute this.

Nesta99 · 29-07-2020 11:43am

TomTomTim wrote: »

Worrying, but unsurprising. I became political a few years ago when I realized this **** was going to reach our shores eventually. The interconnected world made all this inevitable, it was always going to happen when Irish people consume mass amounts of American media. It's been this way every since the creation of cinema, and wider media, but the internet has rapidly accelerated the process.

Us Irish love taking a good spin on the bandwagon!

jimgoose · 29-07-2020 11:51am

Is it not so that these statues depict people from a pre-Egyptian civilization that came to an end about 3,500 years ago? That is to say, they have as much to do with the oppression of black people as the man in the moon, and this is Marriott International virtue-signalling and bringing unwanted American "cancel culture" bullshit over here. I wouldn't be surprised if they needed planning permission to do that either, the Shelbourne's facade and decor is listed.

Bobblehats · 29-07-2020 12:03pm

Nesta99 wrote: »

Us Irish love taking a good spin on the bandwagon!

I can deal with the event junkies getting caught up in say, garth brooks mania for a weekend but this is insane

Wrong thing to be sucked into its extremely dangerous for us as a remote island society in the North Atlantic . We’re not simply being “down” with the afro- American community here, who has been instilled as trendy by a media driven by ulterior motives for us it pertains to Africa as a whole. We’re sending out all the wrong signals to an extremely “vocal” people who tend to make more than just an entrance and enforce themselves on you. It won’t just impinge on our way of life, here it has the potential to alter our history, culture and institutions but to meddle with our our very dna profoundly and irrevocarably.

jimgoose · 29-07-2020 12:03pm

Omackeral wrote: »

The Pyramids need to go ASAP

Aye. And I'd say that about wraps it up for St. Patrick's Day - by all accounts Patricius of Britain was a slave. Actually, come to think of it the Irish captured and enslaved him, so we'll have to go as well. :pac:

statesaver · 29-07-2020 12:06pm

It's American owned so that's the reason. Bringing their stupid cancel culture over here.

Edgware · 29-07-2020 12:26pm

jimgoose wrote: »

Aye. And I'd say that about wraps it up for St. Patrick's Day - by all accounts Patricius of Britain was a slave. Actually, come to think of it the Irish captured and enslaved him, so we'll have to go as well. :pac:

And he spent a lot of time alone with sheep

MrMusician18 · 29-07-2020 12:29pm

nullzero wrote: »

The only rational reason for removing these statues is to stop idiots in masks vandalising them and the rest of the hotel along with them.

I agree. I'm going to give the hotel the benefit of the doubt and assume they were removed out of caution, in case they were vandalised and pulled from their pedestals.

That said, if that was the goal - they have rather ironically drawn more attention to them. If they have to be reinstated due to planning then they will certainly need protection now.

jam_mac_jam · 29-07-2020 12:35pm

Why would they be vandalised? No other statues have been in Ireland.

I doubt anyone even knew they depicted slaves or cared before this.

Eric Cartman · 29-07-2020 12:39pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why would they be vandalised? No other statues have been in Ireland.

I doubt anyone even knew they depicted slaves or cared before this.

the problem is, if somebody in there twigged it then it probably wasn't long before somebody on social media did.

We have no other statues of anything slavery related that I'm aware of.

One post on twitter reshared by a PbP candidate and boom they'd be covered in spray paint by midnight.

suicide_circus · 29-07-2020 12:40pm

Could we use the Shelbourne as a DP centre?

JohnFalstaff · 29-07-2020 12:43pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why would they be vandalised? No other statues have been in Ireland.

I doubt anyone even knew they depicted slaves or cared before this.

Did Luke Kelly own slaves that we don't know about??

nthclare · 29-07-2020 12:43pm

They might as well destroy every copy of Gang's of New York too, there's a few scenes where the Irish were mistreated.

Then get rid of all the classy photography of the Irish building America.

When is this nonsense going to stop ???

Will we all implode,sure get rid of all the history books too oh and while we're at it let's all implode with shame for the guilt that should be ingrained in our DNA...

Sheer ignorance of our past, there's always been slavery,war etc

Us Irish are the butt of joke's all over the world and us sane Irish embrace our quirks and ways.

So what,some people think we're a joke etc and that's ok with me.

There's old pictures of us looking like Neanderthal's, so what they're pictures get over it.

We were down trodden by the sasanachs for hundreds of years,fck em they're gone but some people are just programmed to feel fear,anger and resentment...

Ironically it's our own people who shame us and tell us we should feel bad about our forefathers, I say fck you build a bridge and get over it.

SJWs and lefty liberals who are basically the new clergy, trying to instill their own guilty conscience on us, because the real racism comes from the liberals, social justice warriors and hard line lefties.
They're the sick psychos rilling everyone up.

I was never a racist's or looked down on anyone and the majority of people aren't racist either..

Pulling down statue's, banning dvds,books, music, erasing history...

Sounds very toxic when you look at it.

History is in the past and now we're in the present,it's gone...

If you don't like the past and it's triggering, go for therapy and maybe get a prescription from your GP if it's bothering you that much..

Have a good day

Beechwoodspark · 29-07-2020 1:39pm

Never really knew what the statues represented but often admired them as I passed by

I’d like to see them reinstated for the historical value of them if nothing else

Whoever is responsible for removing the statues should be brought before the courts and a heavy fine imposed.

Quite disgraceful to see them removed

SafeSurfer · 29-07-2020 1:42pm

Yyhhuuu wrote: »

If there has been a breach of planning legislation and a valid complaint is lodged to their Enforcement section they are then obliged to act by investigating and if necessary issuing an enforcement notice, which if not complied with should result in enforcement proceedings. If a member of the public is of the opinion the council failed to take appropriate action then they should lodge a complaint with the Ombudsman.

The very fact that the statues have now been removed will make them a target if there are reinstated.

Signore Fancy Pants · 29-07-2020 1:47pm

statesaver wrote: »

It's American owned so that's the reason. Bringing their stupid cancel culture over here.

America - The land of the free d1ckheads.

Beechwoodspark · 29-07-2020 1:49pm

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

America - The land of the free d1ckheads.

Friend of mine who stays there regularly says standards have plummeted there since the American takeover.

Seemingly breakfast which used to be one of the best in dublin, is absolute cr*p now

Pop tarts American waffles and microwaved bacon etc etc.

Ash.J.Williams · 29-07-2020 1:50pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Regular Patron of the hotel and was never bothered by the sculpture.

are you a descendant of an african slave?

Beechwoodspark · 29-07-2020 1:51pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

are you a descendant of an african slave?

We are all descendants of Africans if you go back far enough into the mists of human prehistory

Feisar · 29-07-2020 2:09pm

Is there no allowance for context these days at all. The statues don't depict lads hauling massive blocks into place to build the pyramids. Them boys deffo had a rough time of it. However handmaiden to a princess? Probably as cushy a number as was going back then.

Strumms · 29-07-2020 2:09pm

nthclare wrote: »

I was never a racist's or looked down on anyone and the majority of people aren't racist either..

Pulling down statue's, banning dvds,books, music, erasing history...

Sounds very toxic when you look at it.

History is in the past and now we're in the present,it's gone...

Sounds, very naziesque

Feisar · 29-07-2020 2:14pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why would they be vandalised? No other statues have been in Ireland.

I doubt anyone even knew they depicted slaves or cared before this.

https://www.irishpost.com/news/statue-of-ira-leader-sean-russell-vandalised-as-lgbt-flag-is-painted-on-by-dublin-protesters-187540

While I agree, people probably never noticed however statues have been vandalized by idiots before in Ireland.

The Nal · 29-07-2020 2:14pm

Strumms wrote: »

Sounds, very naziesque

Yep. Two sides of the same coin, far right and far left.

All complete morons.

Lets burn some books. Adventures of Huckleberry Finn to start?

punisher5112 · 29-07-2020 2:16pm

Should we just burn everything, start again

Strumms · 29-07-2020 2:18pm

Next we’ll have some ‘radical’ saying that the statue of Jim Larkin in O ‘Connell st should be removed and replaced with a BLM emblem.

Rodney Bathgate · 29-07-2020 2:22pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Should we just burn everything, start again

Why bother starting again? The same fu**heads will still exist afterwards.

kowloonkev · 29-07-2020 2:28pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The very fact that the statues have now been removed will make them a target if there are reinstated.

I doubt it. Ireland had its weekend of brainlessly aping the US and then came to its senses. The Shelbourne would be secure and have doormen 24/7? You'd need a large mob to vandalise and get away with it. I don't see where that anger is coming from.

Zebra3 · 29-07-2020 2:46pm

The Nal wrote: »

Yep. Two sides of the same coin, far right and far left.

All complete morons.

Lets burn some books. Adventures of Huckleberry Finn to start?

Let's not forget about all the statues pulled down by centrists/capitalists.

It was for freedom when they did it though....

nthclare · 29-07-2020 2:56pm

Strumms wrote: »

Sounds, very naziesque

Absolutely, ruining past objet d'art...

FFS it's only art like

nthclare · 29-07-2020 3:02pm

I often wonder do these New wave liberals have mental health problems or something seriously wrong with their cognitive make up.

Liberty is about freedom, inclusion and fair play and justice for all...

These cnuts are not liberal, they're toxic and sad,boring, nothing to add to society only they subtract from society.

Empty vessels make the most noise, pot calling the kettle you'll say.

But I say fck em, thankfully I'm a moderate in the middle laughing at the knobs, alt right and far left they're all cnuts

J. Marston · 29-07-2020 3:06pm

"Decision was taken in light of recent world events."

That's hilarious. Took them until 2020 to think "Hmm, slavery might be bad form."

Danzy · 29-07-2020 3:18pm

Omackeral wrote: »

The Pyramids need to go ASAP

I'll give you a fiver per trailer load of crushed pyramid.

Danzy · 29-07-2020 3:20pm

J. Marston wrote: »

"Decision was taken in light of recent world events."

That's hilarious. Took them until 2020 to think "Hmm, slavery might be bad form."

Or is it that they felt the need in these foolish times to think it had any relevance to a hotel in Dublin.

Danzy · 29-07-2020 3:20pm

nthclare wrote: »

I often wonder do these New wave liberals have mental health problems or something seriously wrong with their cognitive make up.

Liberty is about freedom, inclusion and fair play and justice for all...

These cnuts are not liberal, they're toxic and sad,boring, nothing to add to society only they subtract from society.

Empty vessels make the most noise, pot calling the kettle you'll say.

But I say fck em, thankfully I'm a moderate in the middle laughing at the knobs, alt right and far left they're all cnuts

They are highly religious.

The left used be political, it is now a faith.

Shelbourne Hotel remove historic statues due to association with slavery - *Read OP**

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