Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

aloooof · 06-10-2020 11:18am

kingofthekong wrote: »

Losing one game against Edinburgh was the reason you met Leinster? or a season of average performances was the reason you met Leinster...and then lost to Leinster because your outhalf cant kick

It's pretty obvious that with the conference system, results against rival teams directly in your conference have a larger bearing on where you will finish than other matches. (It's why the win away to Scarlets last Saturday is so valuable).

Our outhalf who can't kick had the highest kicking % for the entire season.

But I get it, you want to keep kicking Munster instead of adding any context or nuance to your arguments....

thomond2006 · 06-10-2020 11:44am

Munster Rugby have been assisting a senior player who has tested positive for Covid-19.
The latest PCR testing carried out on Monday at the HPC has returned a positive result for a player who is asymptomatic. To remove any doubt of a potential false positive the player will be retested tomorrow.

The individual, who was not part of the travelling group at the weekend, and six other players identified by Munster Rugby as potential close contacts, are currently self-isolating.

This approach of identifying possible close contacts is in line with the caution we have taken to this issue, these players may not be deemed close contacts by the HSE.

As a precautionary measure, the squad and academy will not train at the HPC today.

The HSE have been notified for contract tracing purposes.

Further PCR testing will take place tomorrow at the HPC with a return to scheduled training planned for Thursday ahead of Saturday’s Guinness PRO14 encounter against Edinburgh at Thomond Park.

Munster Rugby Head of Medical, Dr Jamie Kearns, said: “As an immediacy we are taking every precaution by standing down training today.

“We are going to complete another round of PCR testing tomorrow so that we can return to training on Thursday.

“Our priority is to ensure the health and safety of our players and staff, and we will continue to work closely with both the IRFU and HSE in this regard.”

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2020/10/06/munster-rugby-training-suspended/#post

yerrahbah · 06-10-2020 11:50am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Munster Rugby have been assisting a senior player who has tested positive for Covid-19.
The latest PCR testing carried out on Monday at the HPC has returned a positive result for a player who is asymptomatic. To remove any doubt of a potential false positive the player will be retested tomorrow.

The individual, who was not part of the travelling group at the weekend, and six other players identified by Munster Rugby as potential close contacts, are currently self-isolating.

This approach of identifying possible close contacts is in line with the caution we have taken to this issue, these players may not be deemed close contacts by the HSE.

As a precautionary measure, the squad and academy will not train at the HPC today.

The HSE have been notified for contract tracing purposes.

Further PCR testing will take place tomorrow at the HPC with a return to scheduled training planned for Thursday ahead of Saturday’s Guinness PRO14 encounter against Edinburgh at Thomond Park.

Munster Rugby Head of Medical, Dr Jamie Kearns, said: “As an immediacy we are taking every precaution by standing down training today.

“We are going to complete another round of PCR testing tomorrow so that we can return to training on Thursday.

“Our priority is to ensure the health and safety of our players and staff, and we will continue to work closely with both the IRFU and HSE in this regard.”

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2020/10/06/munster-rugby-training-suspended/#post

Speedy recovery to all involved

Brief_Lives · 06-10-2020 1:14pm

ahhh, well, thats pretty obvious who it is now....

kingofthekong · 06-10-2020 1:15pm

aloooof wrote: »

It's pretty obvious that with the conference system, results against rival teams directly in your conference have a larger bearing on where you will finish than other matches. (It's why the win away to Scarlets last Saturday is so valuable).

Our outhalf who can't kick had the highest kicking % for the entire season.

But I get it, you want to keep kicking Munster instead of adding any context or nuance to your arguments....

lol Munster dont need any kicking from me, theyve done that to themselves the last number of years

06-10-2020 1:21pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Some details about the player...

This is unsubstantiated and identifies the player. I'd delete the post tbh.

awec · 06-10-2020 1:22pm

No speculation on the identity of the player, or posting anything that makes it obvious who they are.

Sabre0001 · 06-10-2020 2:48pm

While I agree (with the points that many posters and pundits make) that Munster need to be better at bringing youth through, has there been a player that's left Munster and kicked on to the extent that we regret their absence? Cronin, perhaps. Now, I will concede that not getting game time in their development years at Munster may have hampered them (and I was really hoping to see more of some, Ian Nagle for example).

kingofthekong wrote: »

If Munster are to win any silverware in the next two to three years baring and exeptional performance and some luck in the knockouts then they will need to bring their young guns through.
...

From my reading, you're kind of making two different points in your post. There's a difference between replacing players and producing players that are world class. While Leinster's up and comers looked packed full of potential, it's too early to judge where their ceiling is. Within Munster, world superstars have been rare but Irish-capped players have been produced and backed.

One area where Munster have struggled is in (overseas) recruitment, which has been important to Leinster despite a conveyor belt of talent. In recent years, Lowe, Fardy, and Gibson-Park have contributed handsomely. Munster meanwhile have signed some duds or identified areas of weakness, made signings to shore up that area, and been unfortunate with injuries - Tyler, Carbery, and Snyman to name recent ones. Two outhalves on top of Johnny Holland who had potential (but we'll never know what would have come of that), and a big bruiser in the pack because we recognised that these were areas where we were lacking.

I do hope we see more youth this year. Murray not being rushed back this week would be good for Casey, I'd like to see more gametime for Healy. POM copping a ban might allow us to try out a different pack combination - Beirne to 6 and Fineen in 2nd row, or one of the young guns brought in at either 6 or 8. However, team makeup will count for little if we can't sort out the gameplan element.

aloooof · 06-10-2020 2:55pm

kingofthekong wrote: »

lol Munster dont need any kicking from me, theyve done that to themselves the last number of years

Way to, y'know, prove my point.

The Lost Sheep · 06-10-2020 3:00pm

phog wrote: »

Our discipline was bad but the officiating was terrible, minutes after POM's 1st card Scarlets repeat his offence but no sanction, not even a penalty. How did 4 officials miss a sliding tackle, studs first into Farrell while they reviewed POM's 2nd card? There was one penalty after POM went off and you see CJ look in disbelief at the ref.

Overall, we got to be happy to come away with the win and we scored 3 tries to their zero.

the officiating is always terrible though isnt it phog.
Not all ruck entries that are illegal warrant yellow cards or even penalties.

Tomtom364 · 06-10-2020 3:01pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

the officiating is always terrible though isnt it phog.
Not all ruck entries that are illegal warrant yellow cards or even penalties.

Ah Sheep surely even you cant say that the ref had a good game on Saturday?
There was certainly issues there.

The Lost Sheep · 06-10-2020 3:05pm

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Ah Sheep surely even you cant say that the ref had a good game on Saturday?
There was certainly issues there.

There was but its always the same with some people. Always the refs fault. The refs are always poor, missing something for Munster.

thomond2006 · 06-10-2020 3:13pm

TLS when he senses ref criticism.

The Lost Sheep · 06-10-2020 3:16pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

TLS when he senses ref criticism.

No thomond i criticise refs when they warrant it but theres some people who will criticise the refs at every opportunity. Refs will make mistakes but theyre not the reason Munster's attack is crap.

arsebiscuits1 · 06-10-2020 3:18pm

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Ah Sheep surely even you cant say that the ref had a good game on Saturday?
There was certainly issues there.

There were inconsistencies to his game but none to the point of directly affecting the outcome one way or the other.

CJ and Healy can both feel aggrieved about ones they conceded. The ref said CJs legs were blocking the ball for his one and later told Casey not too look for the penalty when a Scarlets player was in a similar scenario.

Healy made a very dynamic movement to roll away - possibly a click too late but I think it was a genuine effort.

On the flip side you had POM fly off his feet after his first yellow but before his second which went unpunished. For me it was the worst of the 3 and was in straight red territory.

Other than that they were black and white and Munster needed to be smarter. Even the worst ref in the world isn't going to give 9 kickable penalties to the opposition that were unfounded.

Refs will make mistakes in games just like both teams will make mistakes. People need to ask themselves did the refs performance directly impact the result? For me it's a definite no. Certainly not more than Munsters indiscipline impacted it

thomond2006 · 06-10-2020 3:24pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

No thomond i criticise refs when they warrant it but theres some people who will criticise the refs at every opportunity. Refs will make mistakes but theyre not the reason Munster's attack is crap.

I'm only teasing!

phog · 06-10-2020 3:42pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

t
Not all ruck entries that are illegal warrant yellow cards or even penalties.

I never said they were

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

There was but its always the same with some people. Always the refs fault. The refs are always poor, missing something for Munster.

You actually agree with me but still try defend the ref or attack a poster

phog · 06-10-2020 3:58pm

Back to no fans again

Dear Member,

After a winning start to the 2020/21 Guinness PRO14 season last weekend, securing the points away in Wales, we were greatly looking forward to welcoming some of our MRSC members back to Thomond Park this coming weekend for our first home match of the new season against Edinburgh.

Regrettably, new public health developments decree that this is not to be and, for now, we must wait a little while longer before welcoming you back.

The most recent Government Covid-19 guidelines, announced just last night, mean that as the country implements Level 3 restrictions for the next three weeks, we must stage our next two home games on 10th (v Edinburgh) and 26th (v Cardiff) October behind closed doors. Therefore, unfortunately, the lotto implemented for the game against Edinburgh in Thomond Park this Saturday evening is now voided.

lawrencesummers · 06-10-2020 8:26pm

Munster can count themselves lucky the ref was so bad.
They wouldn’t have won the game otherwise.

Eod100 · 07-10-2020 10:03am

Looks like we could be in a pool with La Rochelle. Would be a pity in a way as say a good few would have done the away trip. https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/european-cup/munster-and-connacht-could-meet-up-with-some-old-friends-in-champions-cup-1.4373691

Cookiemunster · 07-10-2020 10:18am

Eod100 wrote: »

Looks like we could be in a pool with La Rochelle. Would be a pity in a way as say a good few would have done the away trip. https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/european-cup/munster-and-connacht-could-meet-up-with-some-old-friends-in-champions-cup-1.4373691

Well it's either them or Clermont and one of Quin or Bath/Sale (which will be decided tonight) from England. There aren't that many permutations.

And the way it works means that while we'll play two of those teams, they won't play each other and there'll actually be two pool of 8.

Eod100 · 07-10-2020 10:36am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Well it's either them or Clermont and one of Quin or Bath/Sale (which will be decided tonight) from England. There aren't that many permutations.

And the way it works means that while we'll play two of those teams, they won't play each other and there'll actually be two pool of 8.

Yup it's all in the article. I just thought the ROG angle with LAR might be of interest here.

-Toppy- · 07-10-2020 11:13am

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Healy made a very dynamic movement to roll away - possibly a click too late but I think it was a genuine effort.

If I recall what was said in commentary that he should have rolled away towards the sideline?!?

Looking at rugby laws it says an east/west movement is whats allowed so not sure why he was blown up tbh

https://laws.worldrugby.org/en/guidelines/15/detail

Cookiemunster · 07-10-2020 11:14am

Eod100 wrote: »

Yup it's all in the article. I just thought the ROG angle with LAR might be of interest here.

Personally I'm not too bothered about the ROG angle. We played Racing a few times while he was there. We have more history with Clermont and their fans than La Rochelle.

Anyway with Sale getting a walkover awarded against them it Quins or Sale and Clermont or La Rochelle in Europe this season.

arsebiscuits1 · 07-10-2020 11:19am

-Toppy- wrote: »

If I recall what was said in commentary that he should have rolled away towards the sideline?!?

Looking at rugby laws it says an east/west movement is whats allowed so not sure why he was blown up tbh

https://laws.worldrugby.org/en/guidelines/15/detail

For me his movement wasn't "immediate" which I assumed was why he was whistled.

But I don't think he took the piss with how long he took to roll and I thought his actions were ok.

Didn't catch the ref saying about the touchline. Sounds a bit wishy washy

These decisions tend to swing both ways every game though

-Toppy- · 07-10-2020 11:29am

Yeah I didnt hear what the ref said - was it commentary on Eir, but yeah was a harsh enough call tbh

Eod100 · 07-10-2020 11:58am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Personally I'm not too bothered about the ROG angle. We played Racing a few times while he was there. We have more history with Clermont and their fans than La Rochelle.

Anyway with Sale getting a walkover awarded against them it Quins or Sale and Clermont or La Rochelle in Europe this season.

Fair enough, like I said others might though.

Cookiemunster · 07-10-2020 4:06pm

Latest injury update. Explains some of last weeks absenses. Terrible news for Cronin. https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2020/10/07/squad-update-edinburgh-up-next-at-thomond/#post

On the injury front, the medical department issued the following update.

Chris Cloete is currently rehabbing a neck injury.

Keith Earls is currently rehabbing a back injury.

Niall Scannell sustained a neck injury at training last week and will undergo surgery with the hooker expected to be sidelined for approximately two months.

Neil Cronin sustained an ACL injury at training on Monday and will meet with the specialist on Friday to discuss surgery.

There is better news for Conor Murray (thigh) and Shane Daly (groin) with both players expected to train this week.

Continuing to rehab: RG Snyman (knee), Joey Carbery (ankle), Dave Kilcoyne (ankle), Liam O’Connor (calf).

yerrahbah · 07-10-2020 5:50pm

Sickener for Cronin, with Murray gone for the Six nations and the other internationals it was a chance for him to see a good bit of gametime

We will just have Casey and McCarthy for a few weeks then

I don't think there is any other scrum half in the Munster squad

We have O'Byrne, Marshall and Barron to cover hooker

Buer · 07-10-2020 5:53pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Well it's either them or Clermont and one of Quin or Bath/Sale (which will be decided tonight) from England. There aren't that many permutations.

And the way it works means that while we'll play two of those teams, they won't play each other and there'll actually be two pool of 8.

Sale forced to forfeit. Bath remain as second seed and Sale are third with Quins. Great for Munster, not so great for Connacht.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

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