Unquiet graves RTE 1 tonight.....9.30pm

Muahahaha · 01-10-2020 4:41pm

Funny the way Flanagan has nothing to say about more than 120 innocent people killed in the murder triangle but he said he is concerned about how much the documentary cost to produce

https://twitter.com/JFForgotten/status/1306516158821150720

Junkyard Tom · 01-10-2020 5:20pm

blanch152 wrote: »

...

How does it feel that the bullshit narrative that you and your ilk have been parroting here on boards for years has crumbled into dust and been blown away on a gentle breeze of the truth?

How does it feel that SF are challenging FG for the top place at the table of Irish politics when you were predicting their electoral zenith a few years ago?

How does it feel for you that Irish Nationalism, having predicted its demise, is alive and well and has a whole new generation of young people who can immerse themselves in the truth of the conflict in the north via an uncontrolled digital media?

How does it feel that the media's decades-long project to rehabilitate the British state in the psyche of the Irish public has been torpedoed by that very state's shire of bastards in the Tory party?

How does it feel that the reality of partition is that it has been a patent failure and will continue to be a failure until it comes to an end?

What an utter disaster these last few years have been for you and your crypto-unionist ilk.

steddyeddy · 01-10-2020 5:35pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Funny the way Flanagan has nothing to say about more than 120 innocent people killed in the murder triangle but he said he is concerned about how much the documentary cost to produce

https://twitter.com/JFForgotten/status/1306516158821150720

I thought that was a bit sick to be honest.

FTA69 · 01-10-2020 5:40pm

I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if Flanagan is being influenced by a different state. Either that or his brain is pickled with post-colonialism.

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 6:05pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

How does it feel that the bullshit narrative that you and your ilk have been parroting here on boards for years has crumbled into dust and been blown away on a gentle breeze of the truth?

How does it feel that SF are challenging FG for the top place at the table of Irish politics when you were predicting their electoral zenith a few years ago?

How does it feel for you that Irish Nationalism, having predicted its demise, is alive and well and has a whole new generation of young people who can immerse themselves in the truth of the conflict in the north via an uncontrolled digital media?

How does it feel that the media's decades-long project to rehabilitate the British state in the psyche of the Irish public has been torpedoed by that very state's shire of bastards in the Tory party?

How does it feel that the reality of partition is that it has been a patent failure and will continue to be a failure until it comes to an end?

What an utter disaster these last few years have been for you and your crypto-unionist ilk.

The greatest irony of all Tom is that partition is now failing the British themselves. You could say that it will undo the entire Union before it's over.

How do they like dem apples?

stockshares · 01-10-2020 6:11pm

FTA69 wrote: »

I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if Flanagan is being influenced by a different state. Either that or his brain is pickled with post-colonialism.

To think he was Minister of Defence.

political analyst · 01-10-2020 6:23pm

John Weir is a convicted sectarian murderer. Why are so many people willing to believe his school-massacre plot claim? If there was a shred of truth in that accusation, he would have said it before he stood trial over 20 years ago.

Justice for the Forgotten isn't doing itself any favours by allying itself with Gerry Adams.

Junkyard Tom · 01-10-2020 6:28pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The greatest irony of all Tom is that partition is now failing the British themselves. You could say that it will undo the entire Union before it's over.

How do they like dem apples?

I think Britain may well have had its EU deal long before now had the Irish Unionists not facilitated a massive act of self-harm on their so-called 'precious union'.

blanch152 · 01-10-2020 6:35pm

stockshares wrote: »

Is he Irish at all?

Imaging wanting to commemorate the Tans and now this.

Doesn't is say it all about the fascistic nationalist tendencies of Sinn Fein that anyone who doesn't agree with them is not really Irish.

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 6:56pm

political analyst wrote: »

John Weir is a convicted sectarian murderer. Why are so many people willing to believe his school-massacre plot claim?

Because around the world this is what they engaged in. Frank Kitson, one of their senior military men here wrote the book on counter insurgency techniques.

That is why there is a willingness to believe claims like this. That doesn't make them true, but you would think the least any self respecting Irish person would want them fully investigated before attempting to shoot the messenger.

steddyeddy · 01-10-2020 7:00pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Doesn't is say it all about the fascistic nationalist tendencies of Sinn Fein that anyone who doesn't agree with them is not really Irish.

Well I don't agree with that comment. I lived in England and he was constantly referred to as anti-English there. That said, there's a big issue at stake here. Did the British government support terrorism and the destruction of innocent civilians to promote a political ideology.

steddyeddy · 01-10-2020 7:05pm

political analyst wrote: »

John Weir is a convicted sectarian murderer. Why are so many people willing to believe his school-massacre plot claim? If there was a shred of truth in that accusation, he would have said it before he stood trial over 20 years ago.

Justice for the Forgotten isn't doing itself any favours by allying itself with Gerry Adams.

He's also a former RUC officer. Also the same claims were made in the past by former RUC officer Billy McCaughey.

political analyst · 01-10-2020 7:17pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

He's also a former RUC officer. Also the same claims were made in the past by former RUC officer Billy McCaughey.

As far as I know, McCaughey made no claim of a school massacre plot. That claim is utterly bizarre.

The fact remains - Weir is a convicted murderer. There is no evidence to substantiate his claims.

political analyst · 01-10-2020 7:19pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Because around the world this is what they engaged in. Frank Kitson, one of their senior military men here wrote the book on counter insurgency techniques.

That is why there is a willingness to believe claims like this. That doesn't make them true, but you would think the least any self respecting Irish person would want them fully investigated before attempting to shoot the messenger.

Weir deserves no sympathy whatsoever.

An investigation is ongoing. This article is from last February.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/families-of-glenanne-gang-victims-have-legal-and-moral-right-to-the-truth-38959291.html

The lead investigator of a review into the killings of the loyalist Glenanne Gang has said the victims' families have a "legal and moral right" to the truth.

Former Bedfordshire Police chief Jon Boutcher, who is also heading up three other Troubles probes, was speaking after the terms of reference for the review were agreed.

FTA69 · 01-10-2020 7:20pm

political analyst wrote: »

John Weir is a convicted sectarian murderer. Why are so many people willing to believe his school-massacre plot claim? If there was a shred of truth in that accusation, he would have said it before he stood trial over 20 years ago.

Justice for the Forgotten isn't doing itself any favours by allying itself with Gerry Adams.

Gerry Adams is one of the only politicians from that time who actually said collusion was taking place while nearly every member of the political establishment in the south dismissed it as a conspiracy theory and wilfully ignored Irish citizens being murdered and collaborated with those agencies that were facilitating that murder.

Say what you like about Adams, he has far more credibility talking about collusion than nearly any other politician.

steddyeddy · 01-10-2020 7:22pm

political analyst wrote: »

As far as I know, McCaughey made no claim of a school massacre plot. That claim is utterly bizarre.

The fact remains - Weir is a convicted murderer. There is no evidence to substantiate his claims.

Well now you do. From the Belfast Telegraph. There's literally no such thing as a ridiculous claim in regards to the troubles.

"The plan was to shoot up a school in Belleeks," he said, which meant the murder of young children and teachers.

He said this was intended as retaliation for the Kingsmill massacre of January 1976 in which 10 Protestant workmen were shot dead by the IRA.

Weir claims the plot came from military intelligence to make the Troubles "spiral out of control" into a full civil war.

He said the attack was only called off because even the UVF's bloodthirsty leadership in Belfast considered it a step too far.

The same claims were made in the past by former RUC officer Billy McCaughey,

political analyst · 01-10-2020 7:26pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Gerry Adams is one of the only politicians from that time who actually said collusion was taking place while nearly every member of the political establishment in the south dismissed it as a conspiracy theory and wilfully ignored Irish citizens being murdered and collaborated with those agencies that were facilitating that murder.

Say what you like about Adams, he has far more credibility talking about collusion than nearly any other politician.

Why would senior British military personnel want to increase the level of violence in Northern Ireland anyway? It wouldn't be in the British government's interests to do that. Plotting such acts isn't the done thing at Sandhurst.

The death toll of the Troubles would've been far higher if the British Army had been withdrawn from Northern Ireland in the 1970s.

political analyst · 01-10-2020 7:28pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well now you do. From the Belfast Telegraph. There's literally no such thing as a ridiculous claim in regards to the troubles.

McCaughey - also a convicted sectarian murderer. The rank of sergeant is as far as RUC collusion went.

FTA69 · 01-10-2020 7:30pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Doesn't is say it all about the fascistic nationalist tendencies of Sinn Fein that anyone who doesn't agree with them is not really Irish.

Oh give over. Nobody is really saying Flanagan isn’t Irish, they’re questioning his allegiance to Ireland considering he’s denigrating Irish citizens who have been murdered and has continually and constantly fawned over those who did the killing.

Your politics are very transparent blanch. I can respect people who are anti Republican as long as they’re somewhat consistent but all you ever have to peddle is the same unimaginative, boring, post colonial cringeworthy nonsense that has been found in every colonised country from Ireland to Algeria to Vietnam. Perhaps the only difference is you dress up your fawning as political ‘maturity’ when in fact you’re on a thread about a 120 murdered civilians making every excuse in the book for it.

The same type of people a hundred years ago would have been down in the police barracks informing to the Black and Tans. It’s absolutely pathetic stuff to be honest.

FTA69 · 01-10-2020 7:36pm

political analyst wrote: »

McCaughey - also a convicted sectarian murderer. The rank of sergeant is as far as RUC collusion went.

Yeah that’s it, it was simply Billy the cop giving Sammy the UVF man the odd nod and a wink. What you’re saying regards collusion goes directly against what the Stevens Report has to say by the way, even the Brits themselves are admitting it went on in a systemic manner (albeit redacting huge parts of his findings) and here’s you parroting the same b*llocks that was being said in the 1980s.

The UDA’s director of intelligence, a man responsible for plotting and facilitating attacks, was a British agent for f*ck’s sake. These groups actually imported weapons from South Africa with the full knowledge of the authorities.

As for the British Army acting as some sort of peacekeeping force, you’re ignoring the context in which the northern state was founded - a sectarian militarised colony in which violence was inbuilt. The British Army was deployed “in aid of the civil power” ie the Stormont government it had nothing to do with ‘protecting Catholics’ or any of that canard.

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 8:11pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Oh give over. Nobody is really saying Flanagan isn’t Irish, they’re questioning his allegiance to Ireland considering he’s denigrating Irish citizens who have been murdered and has continually and constantly fawned over those who did the killing.

Your politics are very transparent blanch. I can respect people who are anti Republican as long as they’re somewhat consistent but all you ever have to peddle is the same unimaginative, boring, post colonial cringeworthy nonsense that has been found in every colonised country from Ireland to Algeria to Vietnam. Perhaps the only difference is you dress up your fawning as political ‘maturity’ when in fact you’re on a thread about a 120 murdered civilians making every excuse in the book for it.

The same type of people a hundred years ago would have been down in the police barracks informing to the Black and Tans. It’s absolutely pathetic stuff to be honest.

The hat doffing subservient class morphed into the partitionist class on this island. They have their responsibility for what happened too.

LostinBlanch · 01-10-2020 8:26pm

FTA69 wrote: »

I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if Flanagan is being influenced by a different state. Either that or his brain is pickled with post-colonialism.

I have no idea whether that is true or not, but I think he'd be happier in the party that seems to best represent his views, the DUP.

steddyeddy · 01-10-2020 9:44pm

political analyst wrote: »

McCaughey - also a convicted sectarian murderer. The rank of sergeant is as far as RUC collusion went.

The first part of your question is nonsensical in terms of witness reliability. Yes he was a murderer, but a murderer with links to the security services and the loyalist paramilitaries.

The second part is quite a claim. Have you evidence to back it up? There has been research on collusion and it has went beyond sergeant.

political analyst · 01-10-2020 9:50pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Yeah that’s it, it was simply Billy the cop giving Sammy the UVF man the odd nod and a wink. What you’re saying regards collusion goes directly against what the Stevens Report has to say by the way, even the Brits themselves are admitting it went on in a systemic manner (albeit redacting huge parts of his findings) and here’s you parroting the same b*llocks that was being said in the 1980s.

The UDA’s director of intelligence, a man responsible for plotting and facilitating attacks, was a British agent for f*ck’s sake. These groups actually imported weapons from South Africa with the full knowledge of the authorities.

As for the British Army acting as some sort of peacekeeping force, you’re ignoring the context in which the northern state was founded - a sectarian militarised colony in which violence was inbuilt. The British Army was deployed “in aid of the civil power” ie the Stormont government it had nothing to do with ‘protecting Catholics’ or any of that canard.

From 1972, the "civil power" was the British government itself. Direct rule brought repeal of Stormont laws that discriminated against Catholics.

I acknowledge there were high-level agents run by MI5, the FRU and RUC Special Branch inside Loyalist groups - and also inside the IRA. Therefore, Special Branch's and British intelligence's were not sectarian-motivated, in all fairness.

By the way, the Stevens Report isn't about the Glenanne Gang.

Fuascailteoir · 01-10-2020 9:55pm

political analyst wrote: »

From 1972, the "civil power" was the British government itself. Direct rule brought repeal of Stormont laws that discriminated against Catholics.

I acknowledge there were high-level agents run by MI5, the FRU and RUC Special Branch inside Loyalist groups - and also inside the IRA. Therefore, Special Branch's and British intelligence's were not sectarian-motivated, in all fairness.

By the way, the Stevens Report isn't about the Glenanne Gang.

Most nationalists that had dealings with the BA in the North would tell you the at they were an aggressive sectarian force

Muahahaha · 01-10-2020 10:53pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Your politics are very transparent blanch. I can respect people who are anti Republican as long as they’re somewhat consistent but all you ever have to peddle is the same unimaginative, boring, post colonial cringeworthy nonsense that has been found in every colonised country from Ireland to Algeria to Vietnam. Perhaps the only difference is you dress up your fawning as political ‘maturity’ when in fact you’re on a thread about a 120 murdered civilians making every excuse in the book for it.

The same type of people a hundred years ago would have been down in the police barracks informing to the Black and Tans. It’s absolutely pathetic stuff to be honest.

He couldnt care less about the 120+ murdered civilians up north, sure only last week he was asked if he had information on who the loyalist terrorists were that planted the Dublin and Monaghan bombs and killed 33 Irish men and women would he bring that information to the Gardai and he ignored the question- he was asked the question a second time and went and ignored it again while continuing to post on the thread. So if he doesnt care less about 33 citizens murdered in Dublin and Monaghan he most certainly doesnt care about 120 up in the North. Thats the thing about partitionists like blanch, they couldnt care less for the victims of the Troubles.

political analyst · 01-10-2020 10:56pm

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Most nationalists that had dealings with the BA in the North would tell you the at they were an aggressive sectarian force

Why? Many of those soldiers came from various religious backgrounds and thus wouldn't have cared about sectarian differences in Northern Ireland - some of them were black or of Asian ethnicity.

I'm aware that Showband massacre survivor Stephen Travers said the gunmen who stopped him and his bandmates were directed by a man who spoke with an English accent but that in itself isn't proof that Robert Nairac - a Catholic who was educated at Ampleforth College (and who, therefore, would never agree to be involved in attacks on innocent people) colluded with loyalists.

James Brown · 01-10-2020 11:05pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Doesn't is say it all about the fascistic nationalist tendencies of Sinn Fein that anyone who doesn't agree with them is not really Irish.

You got quotes from SF stating same as the party view or just the usual spin assigning random comments off the internet to your conspiracy theory filing cabinet?
Sometimes people give opinions.

FrancieBrady · 01-10-2020 11:07pm

political analyst wrote: »

Why? Many of those soldiers came from various religious backgrounds and thus wouldn't have cared about sectarian differences in Northern Ireland - some of them were black or of Asian ethnicity.

I'm aware that Showband massacre survivor Stephen Travers said the gunmen who stopped him and his bandmates were directed by a man who spoke with an English accent but that in itself isn't proof that Robert Nairac - a Catholic who was educated at Ampleforth College (and who, therefore, would never agree to be involved in attacks on innocent people) colluded with loyalists.

Utter rubbish. I lived through it (i'm on the wrong side of 50) and on the border, the BA to a man and woman knew exactly what community was the enemy. And they knew what community they were on the side off too.

FTA69 · 01-10-2020 11:21pm

political analyst wrote: »

From 1972, the "civil power" was the British government itself. Direct rule brought repeal of Stormont laws that discriminated against Catholics.

I acknowledge there were high-level agents run by MI5, the FRU and RUC Special Branch inside Loyalist groups - and also inside the IRA. Therefore, Special Branch's and British intelligence's were not sectarian-motivated, in all fairness.

By the way, the Stevens Report isn't about the Glenanne Gang.

1 - British troops were deployed in 1969 to bolster the Stormont regime and it was on the behest of that regime they enforced internment, including torturing some of the internees. That was the civil power. The British state then took direct control of their colony once they realised that Stormont could no longer steward the situation on their behalf.

2 - I don’t know why you keep trying to condense the matter into religion and Catholic v Protestant etc. My issue with British rule isn’t that it’s sectarian or whatever, it’s that it was a colonial situation in which the Brits flagrantly broke all of their own laws in pursuit of their own interests.

3 - trying to equate collusion with running agents etc is just b*llocks and deflection to be honest. The British tried to infiltrate the IRA with a view to closing it down, the British infiltrated Loyalism with a view to using them as proxies in their war against the IRA. In effect, the British state organised and directed the murder of its own citizens. Brian Nelson was the UDA’s director of intelligence, director ran by British intelligence and someone who ordered and organised targeted killings while being handled by the state. That’s collusion. And it went far higher than “an RUC sergeant”.

4 - I know Stevens wasn’t about the Glennane gang, it evidenced widespread and systemic collusion and for some reason you think this wasn’t at play in mid-Ulster in the 1970s despite Loyalists themselves openly and frankly admitting that it was.

Sorry mate, the forces of ‘law and order’ here have no moral superiority in this argument no matter how much you wish them to have it.

FTA69 · 02-10-2020 8:14am

political analyst wrote: »

Robert Nairac - a Catholic who was educated at Ampleforth College (and who, therefore, would never agree to be involved in attacks on innocent people).

I’ve just noticed this here.

Are you seriously suggesting that a given British soldier is incapable of being involved in extrajudicial killing because he was Catholic and went to a posh college? Seriously?

Imagine that in any given trial.

“So you’re charged with murder”

“Wow hold up mate I went to Trinity”

“Oh really? Case dismissed!”

Absolutely ridiculous.

Fuascailteoir · 02-10-2020 9:06am

FTA69 wrote: »

1 - British troops were deployed in 1969 to bolster the Stormont regime and it was on the behest of that regime they enforced internment, including torturing some of the internees. That was the civil power. The British state then took direct control of their colony once they realised that Stormont could no longer steward the situation on their behalf.

2 - I don’t know why you keep trying to condense the matter into religion and Catholic v Protestant etc. My issue with British rule isn’t that it’s sectarian or whatever, it’s that it was a colonial situation in which the Brits flagrantly broke all of their own laws in pursuit of their own interests.

3 - trying to equate collusion with running agents etc is just b*llocks and deflection to be honest. The British tried to infiltrate the IRA with a view to closing it down, the British infiltrated Loyalism with a view to using them as proxies in their war against the IRA. In effect, the British state organised and directed the murder of its own citizens. Brian Nelson was the UDA’s director of intelligence, director ran by British intelligence and someone who ordered and organised targeted killings while being handled by the state. That’s collusion. And it went far higher than “an RUC sergeant”.

4 - I know Stevens wasn’t about the Glennane gang, it evidenced widespread and systemic collusion and for some reason you think this wasn’t at play in mid-Ulster in the 1970s despite Loyalists themselves openly and frankly admitting that it was.

Sorry mate, the forces of ‘law and order’ here have no moral superiority in this argument no matter how much you wish them to have it.

One aspect of collusion that receives little attention is the targeting of family members of Republicans. I imagine that will come out in the wash in due course. Nothing sapped morale like killing a parent or partner of a republican

grayzer75 · 02-10-2020 9:13am

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

One aspect of collusion that receives little attention is the targeting of family members of Republicans. I imagine that will come out in the wash in due course. Nothing sapped morale like killing a parent or partner of a republican

Specifically around the Fermanagh / Tyrone area. The brits thought they'd break the resolve of local volunteers but they just made them more determined.

FrancieBrady · 02-10-2020 9:43am

FTA69 wrote: »

I’ve just noticed this here.

Are you seriously suggesting that a given British soldier is incapable of being involved in extrajudicial killing because he was Catholic and went to a posh college? Seriously?

Imagine that in any given trial.

“So you’re charged with murder”

“Wow hold up mate I went to Trinity”

“Oh really? Case dismissed!”

Absolutely ridiculous.

Yeh coupled with the 'no collusion above sergeant rank' claim I think this is just a wind up merchant.

FrancieBrady · 02-10-2020 9:45am

grayzer75 wrote: »

Specifically around the Fermanagh / Tyrone area. The brits thought they'd break the resolve of local volunteers but they just made them more determined.

Regular hassle here on the border if they thought you were connected.

grayzer75 · 02-10-2020 9:47am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Regular hassle here on the border if they thought you were connected.

Stripping out cars at the Cloghue checkpoint in Newry just to piss people off and delay them - used to happen a teacher of mine on a daily basis.

FrancieBrady · 02-10-2020 10:23am

grayzer75 wrote: »

Stripping out cars at the Cloghue checkpoint in Newry just to piss people off and delay them - used to happen a teacher of mine on a daily basis.

Thousands upon thousands of stories like this. That is why there is such fear of a return to a hard border, because this kind of stuff will escalate and escalate again.

Questions were asked in the HOC about an incident here when a much tortured football team (held up and detained over many many years going to games and individually) got out of their cars and buses en masse after being detained coming back from a dinner dance and had a fist fight with the soldiers. I believe it was like something out of the wild west.

That kind of behaviour always always boils over. And it will again.

grayzer75 · 02-10-2020 10:27am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Thousands upon thousands of stories like this. That is why there is such fear of a return to a hard border, because this kind of stuff will escalate and escalate again.

Questions were asked in the HOC about an incident here when a much tortured football team (held up and detained over many many years going to games and individually) got out of their cars and buses en masse after being detained coming back from a dinner dance and had a fist fight with the soldiers. I believe it was like something out of the wild west.

That kind of behaviour always always boils over. And it will again.

I hope to god it doesn't return. My gaff was directly under the flightpath of Europe's busiest heliport and I'm kinda used to the peace and quiet now.

02-10-2020 10:30am

In a way I hope we have a hard border again. It will force the issue and hopefully lead to a final settlement.
Its a shame that I think this way but it seems 50 percent of the population still haven't got the message that its a equal society or agitation.

grayzer75 · 02-10-2020 10:42am

6541 wrote: »

In a way I hope we have a hard border again. It will force the issue and hopefully lead to a final settlement.
Its a shame that I think this way but it seems 50 percent of the population still haven't got the message that its a equal society or agitation.

I kinda get your sentiment but it will lead to unwanted issues especially for those of us who cross the border on a daily basis.

FrancieBrady · 02-10-2020 10:52am

6541 wrote: »

In a way I hope we have a hard border again. It will force the issue and hopefully lead to a final settlement.
Its a shame that I think this way but it seems 50 percent of the population still haven't got the message that its a equal society or agitation.

No...absolutely no.
A UI will come anyway.

grayzer75 · 02-10-2020 10:58am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No...absolutely no.
A UI will come anyway.

A UI will be a long way off with FFG in charge.

steddyeddy · 02-10-2020 11:04am

political analyst wrote: »

Why? Many of those soldiers came from various religious backgrounds and thus wouldn't have cared about sectarian differences in Northern Ireland - some of them were black or of Asian ethnicity.

I'm aware that Showband massacre survivor Stephen Travers said the gunmen who stopped him and his bandmates were directed by a man who spoke with an ated at Ampleforth College (and who, therefore, would never agree to be involved in attacks on innocent people) colluded with loyalists.English accent but that in itself isn't proof that Robert Nairac - a Catholic who was educ

Thatcher went to Oxford and was aware that her government were involved in killing innocent people. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/thatcher-aware-of-collusion-before-taking-office-1.781475

FrancieBrady · 02-10-2020 11:27am

Charlie has an admirer. Lovely.

https://twitter.com/JamieBrysonCPNI/status/1311738900629598208

grayzer75 · 02-10-2020 11:29am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Charlie has an admirer. Lovely.

https://twitter.com/JamieBrysonCPNI/status/1311738900629598208

He'll be on Nolan next ffs

steddyeddy · 02-10-2020 11:41am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Charlie has an admirer. Lovely.

https://twitter.com/JamieBrysonCPNI/status/1311738900629598208

Jamie himself was a huge supporter of Willie "terrorists are bad except the ones I support" Fraiser.

FrancieBrady · 02-10-2020 11:49am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Jamie himself was a huge supporter of Willie "terrorists are bad except the ones I support" Fraiser.

It will be fascinating to see partitionists and the FGers having to team with these guys to oppose a UI. Fascinating.

Edgware · 02-10-2020 12:02pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No...absolutely no.
A UI will come anyway.

I am in favour of a united Ireland and I firmly believe that there is ample pitential to be a successful economy in an all Ireland administration. Agriculture, pharmaceuticals, tourism etc if working together can be as successful as any small populated country.

I am not in favour of a united Ireland where one million dont want to be part of it.
Sinn Fein have shown nothing that would encourage the Unionist/Loyalist to join up. Gloating over a prison escape where a man died wont encourage them either.

Junkyard Tom · 02-10-2020 12:10pm

Edgware wrote: »

encourage the Unionist/Loyalist to join up.

There is no dealing with unionism in its current form. After a UI vote passes the never-never-never crowd become irrelevant overnight and you do business with whoever steps forward to take unionism into a new Ireland.

Bringing the people of the north into a UI will provide many opportunities to make a fairer country for everyone.

FrancieBrady · 02-10-2020 12:10pm

Edgware wrote: »

I am in favour of a united Ireland and I firmly believe that there is ample pitential to be a successful economy in an all Ireland administration. Agriculture, pharmaceuticals, tourism etc if working together can be as successful as any small populated country.

I am not in favour of a united Ireland where one million dont want to be part of it.
Sinn Fein have shown nothing that would encourage the Unionist/Loyalist to join up. Gloating over a prison escape where a man died wont encourage them either.

SF don't own the concept of a UI.

Democracy is democracy. If the majority want it to happen it will happen.

Unquiet graves RTE 1 tonight.....9.30pm

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