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UFC/MMA Gambling. **NO AFTER-TIMING**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    Lads, I've a silly question.

    I've started throwing down a few euro on accumulators on some UFC events (I've never bet apart from that), but whenever I go into Paddy Power, they're clueless about it.

    i just write the names and amount down, but the cashier never writes that it's an accumulator or what the odds / payout would be.

    On the off chance I win, will Paddy Power kick up a fuss about it or whatever?
    I don't bet online as I don't want it showing on my cards (even if it's only ever €10).

    This is normal, if its isnt a horse, dog or football match your betting on they are clueless. They would assume its an accum but just write 'accum' on the docket every time to be sure. They would settle it ok, if its a well run shop bets will often be settled by the time you come to collect.

    If you dont want to bet in a shop and dont want anything to show up on your cards you can always fund an online account in pp shop and withdraw there also, more details on site.


  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭broders3


    Really like this card from a betting perspective. I think Anderson at 2/5 is tremendous value, I really don't see him losing this fight. Weidman is great up and coming fighter but a win over a hurt munoz doesn't make him an Anderson beater in my opinion. The fact Weidman hasn't been in the cage for a year doesn't help him either. I have him at No3 in the division after Anderson & Vitor. I wouldn't pick Weidman to beat Vitor so I defo ain't picking him to beat Da Spyda!

    Working that bet into an Accumulator as follows:

    Picks are Craig over Leben (leben just doesn't have it anymore, even his cardio has let him down in recent fights)
    Parke over Tokudome (Japanese fighters tend to fight 1 weight class above where they should and I think Parke outmuscles him for a decision)
    Munoz over Boetsch (Never been sold on Boetsch as Tier 1 fighter. I see him as a gatekeeper going forward and I think Munoz's athleticism will eventually get the better of him for a late stoppage/decision)
    Kennedy over Gracie (Kennedy is a very powerful guy and a decent grappler in his own right, I think he keeps this one standing and beats Gracie down)
    Anderson over Weidman (as above)

    1 euro bet pays out 9.68.

    Haven't gone near the Swanson/Siver fight as I see that as a pickem, slight advantage to Swansom but not betting against Siver.
    Nervous for Frankie Edgar in this fight, it may not be this bout but I see him fighting an up and comer in the near term who destroys him, ala grant over maynard. He has taken a lot of damage in the past 3 years with not many wins to show for it. 1/5 doesn't represent value on him in my opinion.

    Interested to hear thoughts on this card as there is some guys who are slight favourites that should be more heavily favoured in my opinion, Anderson & Kennedy especially.


  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭broders3


    One quick addendum,

    Swanson vs. Siver for fight for FON looks like good value at 5/1.
    Gonzaga is 8/1 for Sub of the night is a good bet especially if there aren't many subs on the night


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,603 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I like gonzago sub, but i think ill go for Barboza fight of the night


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 599 ✭✭✭Ian Whelan


    Anderson Silva - 12/1 to win by submission. Big price. It's not incredibly hard to see Weidman taking Silva down thus forcing Silva to look for submissions off his back. I know it's a long shot but I kind of have to bet on something so I'll go for this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭Easy Rod


    broders3 wrote: »
    Really like this card from a betting perspective. I think Anderson at 2/5 is tremendous value, I really don't see him losing this fight. Weidman is great up and coming fighter but a win over a hurt munoz doesn't make him an Anderson beater in my opinion. The fact Weidman hasn't been in the cage for a year doesn't help him either. I have him at No3 in the division after Anderson & Vitor. I wouldn't pick Weidman to beat Vitor so I defo ain't picking him to beat Da Spyda!

    Working that bet into an Accumulator as follows:

    Picks are Craig over Leben (leben just doesn't have it anymore, even his cardio has let him down in recent fights)
    Parke over Tokudome (Japanese fighters tend to fight 1 weight class above where they should and I think Parke outmuscles him for a decision)
    Munoz over Boetsch (Never been sold on Boetsch as Tier 1 fighter. I see him as a gatekeeper going forward and I think Munoz's athleticism will eventually get the better of him for a late stoppage/decision)
    Kennedy over Gracie (Kennedy is a very powerful guy and a decent grappler in his own right, I think he keeps this one standing and beats Gracie down)
    Anderson over Weidman (as above)

    1 euro bet pays out 9.68.

    Haven't gone near the Swanson/Siver fight as I see that as a pickem, slight advantage to Swansom but not betting against Siver.
    Nervous for Frankie Edgar in this fight, it may not be this bout but I see him fighting an up and comer in the near term who destroys him, ala grant over maynard. He has taken a lot of damage in the past 3 years with not many wins to show for it. 1/5 doesn't represent value on him in my opinion.

    Interested to hear thoughts on this card as there is some guys who are slight favourites that should be more heavily favoured in my opinion, Anderson & Kennedy especially.

    I agree with all of these points, although I do see Cub finishing Siver, regardless might hop on that accumulator with you!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,603 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Ian Whelan wrote: »
    Anderson Silva - 12/1 to win by submission. Big price. It's not incredibly hard to see Weidman taking Silva down thus forcing Silva to look for submissions off his back. I know it's a long shot but I kind of have to bet on something so I'll go for this.

    He's 12/1 for a reason. Weidman competes at top level in submission grappling and BJJ.


  • Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭Jizzear


    Am i mad for thinking of betting olivera on points at 10/1? frankie probably wont want to take him down so Id imagine itl be mostly stand-up. Hes not gona finish frankie by ko but the man does have some fairly slick muay thai, frankie generally starts slowly aswell and theres always the lol judging factor. If he doesnt get ko'd i think he has a chance to take 2 rounds here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Ray Mond


    Jizzear wrote: »
    Am i mad for thinking of betting olivera on points at 10/1? frankie probably wont want to take him down so Id imagine itl be mostly stand-up. Hes not gona finish frankie by ko but the man does have some fairly slick muay thai, frankie generally starts slowly aswell and theres always the lol judging factor. If he doesnt get ko'd i think he has a chance to take 2 rounds here

    Never!!! Frankie will dominate him in the rounds if he doesn't stop him.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭Jizzear


    Ray Mond wrote: »
    Never!!! Frankie will dominate him in the rounds if he doesn't stop him.

    i dno lad, have a look now at weighins hes a mile bigger/rangier than him, if i remember right has noticably slick muay thai and frankie generally starts slow, 10/1 like think im gona throw abit on


  • Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭Jizzear


    just after realising im after repeating myself a load in the last post ha :P whatever worst comes to worse itl be a nice sweat....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭welkin


    Anyone like Denis Siver against Swanson?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    glad silva is 8/11 and not evens for ko or i'd be on that
    so many pros picking weidman would have me a little concerned though
    For me edgar pts at 17/10 is my idea of the best bet here so thats my
    main bet, didn't go big though.
    I think edgar will keep this standing and win a comfortable decision
    I don't think oliveira is in frankies league at all but I'm glad frankie
    is getting something easier on the way to something bigger hopefully

    couple of small ones then on
    double
    silva by ko 8/11
    edgar pts 17/10

    sub of the nite
    gonzaga at 7/1

    silly treble on
    gonz sotn
    silv kotn 5/2
    siver swans fotn 9/2


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Got Silva by KO/TKO at 10/11 on Betfair yesterday.


    Thank you Weidman hype!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭welkin


    How would you guys rate Weidman's chin?

    Haven't really followed his career, I guess he went 3 rounds with a power striker like Uriah Hall so it can't be that bad.

    Just wondering can he absorb Anderson's power.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    welkin wrote: »
    How would you guys rate Weidman's chin?

    Haven't really followed his career, I guess he went 3 rounds with a power striker like Uriah Hall so it can't be that bad.

    Just wondering can he absorb Anderson's power.

    I honestly don't think there are too many out there who Silva cane stop. Hes so accurate too which makes him more "Powerful".

    Weidman could have the best chin around but Silva could still put him away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    I'm looking at the markets thinking all the favs might win
    there's 11 of em in it and i see at least 9 winning
    the acca pays 42/1 with pp and i've just taken that for a laugh.
    did a mad one like this before with 7 or 8 selections and it came
    down to pat barry who was gonna kill struve imo (didnt work that way:pac:
    if this comes down to silva and weidman takes him I won't be
    too disappointed as vitor will then take out weidman and give
    me another decent payday :D



    UFC Matches Roger Gracie v Tim Kennedy
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    Match Betting
    Tim Kennedy @ 8/13
    UFC Matches Andrew Craig v Chris Leben
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    Match Betting
    Andrew Craig @ 8/13
    UFC Matches Anderson Silva v Chris Weidman
    07-07-2013 04:30
    Match Betting
    Anderson Silva @ 2/5
    UFC Matches Charles Oliveira v Frankie Edgar
    07-07-2013 04:00
    Match Betting
    Frankie Edgar @ 1/6
    UFC Matches Mark Munoz v Tim Boetsch
    07-07-2013 03:00
    Match Betting
    Mark Munoz @ 4/5
    UFC Matches Cub Swanson v Dennis Siver
    07-07-2013 03:00
    Match Betting
    Cub Swanson @ 4/9
    UFC Matches Kazuki Tokudome v Norman Parke
    07-07-2013 01:30
    Match Betting
    Norman Parke @ 8/15
    UFC Matches Dave Herman v Gabriel Gonzaga
    07-07-2013 01:00
    Match Betting
    Gabriel Gonzaga @ 4/11
    UFC Matches Edson Barboza v Rafaello Oliveira
    07-07-2013 01:00
    Match Betting
    Edson Barboza @ 1/5
    UFC Matches Brian Melancon v Seth Baczynski
    07-07-2013 00:00
    Match Betting
    Seth Baczynski @ 1/3
    UFC Matches David Mitchell v Mike Pierce
    07-07-2013 00:00
    Match Betting
    Mike Pierce @ 1/6


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭The Clown Man


    I never bet on anything but a treble on Siver, Herman and Olivera by sub got me around 70-1 which I think is ridiculous. I have a double on Siver and Herman as well, both of whom I think could easily dominate.

    Wouldn't normally put money down but those odds are off the wall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    I never bet on anything but a treble on Siver, Herman and Olivera by sub got me around 70-1 which I think is ridiculous. I have a double on Siver and Herman as well, both of whom I think could easily dominate.

    Wouldn't normally put money down but those odds are off the wall.

    off the wall for a reason
    best of luck with it though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Ray Mond


    Parke, gonzaga, Cub, Munoz , silva
    €€€€€€


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    Gonzaga is the worst 4/11 shot ive ever seen.

    Anderson Silva 10/11(KO) Betfair is the best 10/11 shot ive ever seen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    Gonzaga is the worst 4/11 shot ive ever seen.

    Anderson Silva 10/11(KO) Betfair is the best 10/11 shot ive ever seen.

    not one to be taking a short price on but this time I think he
    should be a short price
    He doesn't have a lot to beat in fairness and if he loses to herman
    it will be by far his worst loss given he's lost to the very best (bar schaub)
    herman will be getting his p45 after this one imo


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭welkin


    mailburner wrote: »
    herman will be getting his p45 after this one imo


    Hope so


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭welkin


    MrStuffins wrote: »

    Weidman could have the best chin around but Silva could still put him away.

    You think Silva could put away Big Country?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Ray Mond


    Gonzaga is the worst 4/11 shot ive ever seen

    It's actually not, Herman shouldn't be in The UFC. I think he'll finish him early in the first


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,257 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    welkin wrote: »
    You think Silva could put away Big Country?


    Could? Yes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭broders3


    Off all the people who I thought who lose me that accumulator,I didn't think it would be Anderson.especially since he was in control.Paddy power only paid out half odds because there was 2 fon,is this normal?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    mailburner wrote: »

    For me edgar pts at 17/10 is my idea of the best bet here so thats my
    main bet, didn't go big though.
    I think edgar will keep this standing and win a comfortable decision
    I don't think oliveira is in frankies league at all but I'm glad frankie
    is getting something easier on the way to something bigger hopefully

    couple of small ones then on
    double
    silva by ko 8/11
    edgar pts 17/10

    sub of the nite
    gonzaga at 7/1

    silly treble on
    gonz sotn
    silv kotn 5/2
    siver swans fotn 9/2

    main bet in, thank you frankie
    oliveira gave him a good scrap but frankies been there with
    a much higher calibre of opponent
    glad i didnt get involved in silva other than a small double
    deserved what he got for all his clowning around

    no sub of the night so money back on that one

    siver/swans edgar/oliveira shared fotn
    weidman ko of the night...wow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    mailburner wrote: »
    I'm looking at the markets thinking all the favs might win
    there's 11 of em in it and i see at least 9 winning
    the acca pays 42/1 with pp and i've just taken that for a laugh.
    did a mad one like this before with 7 or 8 selections and it came
    down to pat barry who was gonna kill struve imo (didnt work that way:pac:
    if this comes down to silva and weidman takes him I won't be
    too disappointed as vitor will then take out weidman and give
    me another decent payday :D



    UFC Matches Roger Gracie v Tim Kennedy
    07-07-2013 03:00
    Match Betting
    Tim Kennedy @ 8/13
    UFC Matches Andrew Craig v Chris Leben
    07-07-2013 02:00
    Match Betting
    Andrew Craig @ 8/13
    UFC Matches Anderson Silva v Chris Weidman
    07-07-2013 04:30
    Match Betting
    Anderson Silva @ 2/5
    UFC Matches Charles Oliveira v Frankie Edgar
    07-07-2013 04:00
    Match Betting
    Frankie Edgar @ 1/6
    UFC Matches Mark Munoz v Tim Boetsch
    07-07-2013 03:00
    Match Betting
    Mark Munoz @ 4/5
    UFC Matches Cub Swanson v Dennis Siver
    07-07-2013 03:00
    Match Betting
    Cub Swanson @ 4/9
    UFC Matches Kazuki Tokudome v Norman Parke
    07-07-2013 01:30
    Match Betting
    Norman Parke @ 8/15
    UFC Matches Dave Herman v Gabriel Gonzaga
    07-07-2013 01:00
    Match Betting
    Gabriel Gonzaga @ 4/11
    UFC Matches Edson Barboza v Rafaello Oliveira
    07-07-2013 01:00
    Match Betting
    Edson Barboza @ 1/5
    UFC Matches Brian Melancon v Seth Baczynski
    07-07-2013 00:00
    Match Betting
    Seth Baczynski @ 1/3
    UFC Matches David Mitchell v Mike Pierce
    07-07-2013 00:00
    Match Betting
    Mike Pierce @ 1/6

    9 it was lol and to think it could have come down to silva
    i would have been counting my money there so im glad melancon
    beat baczynski
    please let vitor get the next shot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    broders3 wrote: »
    l.Paddy power only paid out half odds because there was 2 fon,is this normal?

    that's right
    half your stake at full odds is how they do it when shared


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,944 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    mailburner wrote: »
    9 it was lol and to think it could have come down to silva
    i would have been counting my money there so im glad melancon
    beat baczynski
    please let vitor get the next shot

    If Vitor gets the next shot then lump on him QUICK, his odds will be great but will drop drastically leading up to the fight


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    scudzilla wrote: »
    If Vitor gets the next shot then lump on him QUICK, his odds will be great but will drop drastically leading up to the fight

    I will be lumping alright
    I thought the same with rockhold though and thought evens
    was a gift almost two weeks before the fight but the price
    stood firm and never shortened

    I think you're right with this one though, I could see vitor
    starting around 6/4-7/4 and after that who knows
    I think bookies will almost certainly have weidman a false price but
    then again I may be wrong


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭The Clown Man


    I never bet on anything but a treble on Siver, Herman and Olivera by sub got me around 70-1 which I think is ridiculous. I have a double on Siver and Herman as well, both of whom I think could easily dominate.

    Wouldn't normally put money down but those odds are off the wall.

    I don't bet for a reason. And that little reminder only cost €10.

    :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭welkin


    Lost all my bets again.

    Silva cost me an 8-fight accum:(

    Bloody clown!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    Prices for cage warriors tomorrow are up on pp
    2viiaz7.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭broders3


    Couple of nice underdogs on the UFC on fox card Saturday in my opinion.

    Chiesa over Masvidial (15/8). Chiesa has 2 submission wins in a row and at that price I think represents some value. Has a chance to pull a sub win here I think

    Guillard over Danzig (10/11). Backing Guilldard is a bit like backing Pat Barry, it will probably bite you in the ass but it's fun all the same. Danzig doesn't have the same wrestling skills that Jamie Varner does so I don't see him dominating Guillard the way Varner did. I think a comeback KO for Guillard could be on the cards.

    Ellenberger over MacDonald (15/8). I think Ellenberger has the wrestling to take the fight where he wants it be that standing or on the ground and I think his power can back up MacDonald. Really looking forward to this fight and I have a feeling that Ellenberger is a bit grizzlier and can get the upperhand and the decision.

    Going to have a small bet on each of these and an accumulator with the same guys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    gone the opposite to you broders with a double
    of rory mac and masvidal which worked out best
    at slightly over evens (vcbet)


    I think seeing ellerberger at 2s is an insult to him but I do
    think rory mac would handle anyone in the division bar gsp myself yet
    the price on rory is awful to be fair (4/11)

    As for chiesa masvidal, I think this is a big step up for chiesa and
    I do respect his ground game but I feel if he can't get masvidal
    to the mat he will be in trouble
    It's a chance i'm willing to take that he doesn't and I'm sure jorge will
    have been working on that aspect of his game more than anything
    Chiesa might be up to the task and I wouldn't put anyone off backing
    him and the 12/5 available (365) is big enough in fairness


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    interesting that 18 of 27 pros picked jake over rory
    that makes jakes price of 2/1 look very big
    I'm sticking with rory though

    http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Pros-Pick-MacDonald-vs-Ellenberger-54065


  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭broders3


    mailburner wrote: »
    interesting that 18 of 27 pros picked jake over rory
    that makes jakes price of 2/1 look very big
    I'm sticking with rory though

    http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/Pros-Pick-MacDonald-vs-Ellenberger-54065

    I think the bj win for Rory was nothing more than a showcase,I feel most top 20 ww's would beat bj these days and ellenbergers victim list is much more impressive..in saying that it's a very even fight,the odds On ellenberger are far too generous so I'm going with him.best of luck mate


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    broders3 wrote: »
    I think the bj win for Rory was nothing more than a showcase,I feel most top 20 ww's would beat bj these days and ellenbergers victim list is much more impressive..in saying that it's a very even fight,the odds On ellenberger are far too generous so I'm going with him.best of luck mate

    Thanks broders, best of luck yourself
    If masv doesnt beat chiesa ill be rooting for jake
    That's true about bj
    He called bj out knowing full well he was going to dominate him
    He's had a fairly easy time of it since his loss to condit, a fight
    which he had won if the ref let it go a few more seconds
    He was fully entitled to win his next four fights well so this is
    really his first test since condit imo
    It was an amazing start albeit his second ufc start to almost
    beat carlos who had just come off a dec loss to kamp and a
    dec win to jake
    He took carlos down at will and that probably wont happen to jake so
    im looking forward to what tactics he'll employ but no doubt his tactics
    will be spot in being part of the same camp as the champ
    I'd be surprised if he stood and traded with jake myself

    such an open division when you think condit, rory, kamp and jake have
    beaten or been beaten by one of the other


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    mailburner wrote: »
    gone the opposite to you broders with a double
    of rory mac and masvidal which worked out best
    at slightly over evens (vcbet)

    Bet in, seems to be the only sport I can make money on fairly regular

    Couldve called the mac donald fight after the first round
    jake didn't show but rory kept him at bay very easily with
    his reach and jabs
    couldnt find any vid for the masvidal chiesa fight but i
    see masvidal subbed chiesa lol
    that's one outcome I wouldnt have predicted


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭welkin


    Had Rory, Mighty Mouse, Lawler, and Liz on a accum but all my other bets lost so just made my stake back.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭welkin


    Gonna go for The korean Zombie by submission against aldo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    broders, you always get in with your picks first so I'll nip in
    ahead of you for once

    Small bet on aldo by decision at 3/1 (vcbet)

    I'm thinking zombie is one tough dude and will very hard to ko and
    if aldo hasn't finished him by the end of the second round then I think
    the aldo points win will be as good as in
    The fact that its in brazil and a long lay off for kz is what's putting
    me off kz for the win but you could see him nicking one or two
    of the latter rounds if aldo slows down as he often does which is
    probably inevitable with the amount of weight aldo cuts

    Who in their wildest dreams could have seen zombie ever fighting
    for a title after his first fight v garcia?
    Aldo by ko is 4/7 aldo by dec 3/1
    There's no way imo those prices should be that far apart when you
    consider 3 of aldos 4 ufc fights have gone 5 rounds and kz has got
    a fair chin on him
    I think it's a once in a lifetime opportunity for kz and I actually hope
    he takes it but aldo just too quick imo
    Aldo may well take him apart being in brazil and all that but I think
    it's worth the risk that kz survives the initial onslaught
    I wasn't planning on getting involved in that one but I see that price as
    a bit of value

    edit, one concern I do have is that if aldo picks kz apart and kz abandons
    his gameplan and starts swinging for the rafters
    It'll be a short night for the zombie if he goes down the road with aldo



    Going for a treble besides which works out at almost 19/10 (pp) machida, maghales and leites
    I really fancy maghales and machida but the double only works out at 4/6
    which is a little short for my liking so I'm throwing in leites at 4/5

    Maghales is not a fighter I thought I'd ever be backing but
    fighting at home against perosh who I consider to be a
    weaker opponent and just don't see him winning this
    Maghales did perform creditably against davis lto and with
    it being in brazil I think he takes this by sub maybe
    I do think he will be desperate to win this given a loss would
    surely mean him being cut again
    It's now or never vinnie

    Machida v davis is one I see standing whether it goes one round
    or three rounds
    I think davis stand up is improving and he was too good for
    maghales but machidas stand up is in a different league to davis
    I'd fancy machida to win very comfortably on points
    I don't see it being an exciting fight though

    Lastly, leites to beat watson to make the odds more respectable
    It wasn't that long ago leites was fighting silva for the title which
    must be the worst title fight of all time with leites not willing to engage
    and silva horsing around
    I thought leites would have been shorter than 4/5 for this if i'm
    being honest and maybe a single might be a more sensible bet.
    Watson is tough and he will probably try to take the head
    off leites but I could see leites subbing watson early enough as I
    don't believe he will stand with watson
    I see watson possibly spending most of the first round on his back.
    The majority of leites wins have been by sub also with 13 subs
    from his 20 wins
    Leites has faced a much higher calibre of fighter of the years
    than tom watson which should help also
    Maybe I'm giving leites too much credit or not giving watson
    enough but I had leites priced up a bit shorter myself


  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭broders3


    3/1 is a nice price for an Aldo decision but I see him stopping the zombie. KZ's aggression will see him getting caught at some stage and I really don't think he can get Aldo to the ground. Lamas would be a far tougher fight for Aldo at this stage. The fact that the fight is in Brazil should help Aldo as well, the travelling won't get in the way of his weight cut so he should be pretty fresh and looking to put on a show at home. Not much value in the KO at 4/7 though as you say. The fight to go over 3.5 rounds is 6/4 on bet 365 which might be a nice little alternative to the fight going to decision.

    Fully agree with Machida and Maghales but I actually fancy Kong Watson against Leites which would really bump up your odds. Shocking record for gringos fighting in Brazil but I think Watson is on the up and up. Lovely KO of Nedkov in round 2, Nedkov normally gases out in Rd 3 so I thought it held more weight the fact he got him out of there in the second. Training in Jacksons as well he should have a sound gameplan. Pedigree wise Leites is the obvious bet but he hasn't fought since March 2012 which will set him back. I think Watson pulls the slight upset here with a late KO or decision.

    Was going to suggest Lineker to add to the accumulator as I think he such a beast but just saw he is 2/9.

    @Mailburner: Nice call on Rory/Jorge, was so disappointed in Ellenberger, he never showed up at all.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 397 ✭✭welkin


    Not sure about Tom Watson.

    He was literally saved by the bell in round 1 of the Nedkov fight and and as you say "gringos" do terrible in Brazil. Plus Watson lost his other fight in the UFC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    I didn't see any method of victory betting for the machida match
    earlier in the week but its there now

    machida on pts 11/10

    I cant see past this but Ive had a bad week gambling

    Really see this being very cagey with davis getting picked apart but
    without machida going in for the kill
    pretty sure davis will see it out myself, he's never been stopped
    but he's never faced anyone as good as machida either and the
    brazilians usually put on a show for the home fans

    Is it a good thing in anyone elses mind?
    do some think he'll ko davis?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,925 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    stumbled across this on the espn site also which makes
    the pts win for machida look even better

    11: Knockdowns landed for Machida in his UFC career, tied for fourth most all-time. In the light heavyweight division, Machida is second to UFC Hall of Famer Chuck Liddell, who has 14. Davis has not been knocked down in nine UFC fights.

    74: Davis' significant strike defense percentage, fourth highest in UFC history. "Mr. Wonderful" is one of the most difficult fighters to hit, absorbing just 53 significant strikes in his seven UFC wins. In his loss against Rashad Evans, Davis was hit with just 38 percent of significant strikes. Machida is one of the best strikers in UFC history, landing 57 percent of his significant strikes, which is seventh best all-time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭broders3


    11/10 is a good price for Machida by decision but I have a feeling Lyoto may be able to pull off something spectacular here for a KO stoppage. When he faced the likes of Bader, Couture who are wrestlers like Davis where he had a significant striking advantage, he KO'd them easily. I have a feeling this could be a similar kind of fight. Davis needs to get this fight to the ground to have any chance and I think Lyoto catches him with something for a stoppage.

    Betting against the mailburner didn't do me much good last week but at 11/5 I think Machida by KO is a nice bet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Ray Mond


    Machida by KO , Aldo on points, leites by sub...
    €€€€


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