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Taken Down [RTE]

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  • #102
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,452 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    FixdePitchmark wrote: »

    can't understand a word some of the main characters are saying

    Switch on subtitles is the easy solution.

    It helped me to follow the culchie guard anyway.


  • #103
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    Johnwayne98 wrote: »
    And he wanted a bit of both main courses

    Sure Garda only love a carvery, really lazy,trite stereotyping on the show's part.


  • #104
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    yeah, twas just bad,..the only one that could act was the mother..the rest of them were brutal..


  • #105
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Shes quite a good actress but wasnt she very young when she landed her first part???

    Although knowing Weinstein, anything goes.

    She was Oscar nominated for Atonement when she was only a kid, and in general is very good at her profession.

    I don't think there's anything underhand going on.

    I'm not sure she's worked on a film that had anything to do with Weinstein either.


  • #106
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Anyways back to topic.... Big improvement needed here. You would be hard pressed to believe that Love/Hate and this were created by the same people. Its a bad sign when we are looking for everything to talk about bar the show itself. In truth, nothing happened


  • #107
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    RTE will never replicate Love Hate. Pretty much 100% of their programming is garbage these days.


  • #108
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    RTE will never replicate Love Hate. Pretty much 100% of their programming is garbage these days.

    Amy Huberman has been on 3 or 4 shows this year alone....She is fúckin brutal and as for that ''comedy'' that was aired recently... its about as funny as aids.

    Of course some of her friends are brought along on the gravy train too like 'Backing Bwaaaaaave' woman who voiced the AIB ad a while back


  • #109
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Amy Huberman has been on 3 or 4 shows this year alone....She is fúckin brutal and as for that ''comedy'' that was aired recently... its about as funny as aids.

    Of course some of her friends are brought along on the gravy train too like 'Backing Bwaaaaaave' woman who voiced the AIB ad a while back
    RTE is like the dole for the upper classes. A safety net, where some stay there for life. Also paid for by the taxpayer.


  • #110
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    I'm struggling to think of any decent Irish shows I've seen in recent times. Maybe Derry Girls and it wasnt RTE


  • #111
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    RTE will never replicate Love Hate. Pretty much 100% of their programming is garbage these days.

    Love/Hate was despite RTE, not because of it.


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  • #112
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Speaks volumes.

    I think Jimmy Smallhorne who plays a great villain (Git Loughman previously) is a great cast addition and has the power to carry this series if given enough screentime. Brian Gleeson is only suited to certain roles. Im not sure he ever shook off the Hughie typecast from the first season of Love/hate, a role which he was outstanding in.

    The pace is considerably slower than Love/Hate which was a blood pumping adrenaline rush from the start.

    It speaks volumes about people not the programme.

    What Hughie typecasting is going on with Brian Gleeson?

    Love/Hate was not "pumping" or a "rush" from the get go. In fact the opening scenes were very poor. It doesn't actually start until the final episode of season one.


  • #113
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Discussion on the plot itself tonight??? Im guessing the Algerian man knew or seen something and im wondering if his hanging was really self inflicted. He received somewhat of a threat a few minutes earlier from the caretaker guy.

    Would provision centres not fall under some sort of governance or are they privately ran and publicly funded centres?

    The scenes on the morning of the murder does suggest that Samir saw the man in the hoodie but the pet bird was left outside Abeni's apparent for the elder son to care for him so Samir died by his own hand. There is definitely something underhanded involving Wayne and the guy who called about the windows but I wasn't sure whether Samir was being threatened by the guy or whether they were just showing the general ignorance of some people.

    I believe Wayne is a red herring in regards the murder, etc. - he is involved in something shady and the ads suggest involved with criminals but he did seem to not expecting Esme photo when the Guards showed up and why would he report Flora as missing? He was the only one to mention her to the Guards.

    Direct provision centres are run by tax payer money I believe.

    I will be disappointed if this turns out to be about prostitution and human trafficking. I know that those will be featured in the story and are "issues" in the country but this series needs to be about something more original than that.


  • #114
    yosser hughes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭yosser hughes


    lookr wrote: »
    Don't agree with the cynicism here. So far I'm pretty engaged and the production value is better than usual for Irish TV.
    yosser hughes wrote: »
    People often say this. Tell me exactly what you mean by it please.
    lookr wrote: »
    Is that a sincere question? I'm referring to the quality of the cinematography, lighting, soundtrack, locations, editing etc. This is a fairly polished production despite the fact that the budget can't have been particularly high.

    Yes it is a sincere question because it's almost a cliché now. You will see it mentioned elsewhere .by people who don't really know what it means, they read it somewhere. I know about production values and budgets. Lighting and soundtrack? More often than not soundtracks are used as cover for failings elsewhere. Locations? What?
    Tell me, what are you comparing it to here? Fair City? That's a fairly low bar. Do you actually know the budget for this is?


  • #115
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    It speaks volumes about people not the programme.

    What Hughie typecasting is going on with Brian Gleeson?

    Love/Hate was not "pumping" or a "rush" from the get go. In fact the opening scenes were very poor. It doesn't actually start until the final episode of season one.

    In the first five minutes of the very first episode of love/hate alone, more happened then the whole first episode of Taken Down. It seems that the latter is taking a slower approach to developing the story or so we would hope.
    Every episode of season three of love/hate from the season premiere on was fairly tense.

    To answer your question on Brian Gleeson, he was decent in Rebellion but Love/hate was his finest role to date. I think playing that type of psychopathic character suited him well


  • #116
    Drifter50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Drifter50


    Did the writers really have to introduce the idea of the sterotypical male garda from the 1980`s. Not typical of todays Gardai and a poor sideswipe.

    Unnecessary because no one will take them up on it because it is PC today


  • #117
    Graniteville
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Graniteville


    Basq wrote: »
    Haven't watched this yet but reading the opinions here reminds me a lot of the thoughts of the opening episode of Love/Hate on here! :D

    EDIT: Here we go: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055969028

    without reading the thread, I would guess the same names possibly appear too.


    The naysayers all seem to be against RTE - funny thing is, this is not an RTE production. Like most TV it is an independent production part funded by RTE by their purchase of the rights to air first and air in Ireland. According to imdb, Freemantle media have bought rest of world rights, so they are also co-funders.

    And like any drama or any series that goes on for 6 hours and probable 2nd and 3rd series, the first episode builds the various characters.

    Check the first episode of Big bang Theory - quite lame in comparison to nearly every other episode as it simply built the characters.

    And for some, its simply not their style of drama. Personally I could not watch Game of Thrones. That does not make it bad, just means I have different taste to the millions that think its the best show in the world.


  • #118
    lookr
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭lookr


    lookr wrote: »
    Don't agree with the cynicism here. So far I'm pretty engaged and the production value is better than usual for Irish TV.
    yosser hughes wrote: »
    People often say this. Tell me exactly what you mean by it please.
    lookr wrote: »
    Is that a sincere question? I'm referring to the quality of the cinematography, lighting, soundtrack, locations, editing etc. This is a fairly polished production despite the fact that the budget can't have been particularly high.
    yosser hughes wrote: »
    Yes it is a sincere question because it's almost a cliché now. You will see it mentioned elsewhere .by people who don't really know what it means, they read it somewhere. I know about production values and budgets. Lighting and soundtrack? More often than not soundtracks are used as cover for failings elsewhere. Locations? What?
    Tell me, what are you comparing it to here? Fair City? That's a fairly low bar. Do you actually know the budget for this is?

    I think you've clearly demonstrated that it was not a sincere question.

    Do you mean to suggest that I was being pretentious in using the term "production value"? It's not a particularly complex term. That's great that you know so much about production values and budgets, thank you for providing such an incisive analysis of Taken Down. Tell me, what do you know about my experience?

    I do not know what the budget for this show is. What I do know is that it's made by the state broadcaster of a tiny country. I have also watched other RTE dramas (not Fair City) over the years and have my own experiences to draw from as a frame of reference.

    Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder.


  • #119
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    lookr wrote: »
    I do not know what the budget for this show is. What I do know is that it's made by the state broadcaster of a tiny country. I have also watched other RTE dramas (not Fair City) over the years and have my own experiences to draw from as a frame of reference.

    Wasn't a huge fan of Love/Hate, honestly believe that most Irish Drama's outside Fair City (50,000 per episode) are well produced even with some awful scripts and storyline. And I go into a general list of Dramas. (I exclude Bridget and Eamon from this which is god awful in everyway).

    Didn't get to see this but I was one of the people who didn't watch Love/Hate.


  • #120
    3DataModem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    Cakes and Ale wrote: »
    Like many things in the country it's a mess.

    Still pretty sweet compared to the country they came from, presumably.


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  • #121
    Shakey_jake
    Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭Shakey_jake


    "My son im sorry i can not give you a house"

    Yeah sure just rock up for 8 years and get a free house of the social, the virtue signalling was strong in this


  • #122
    Addle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭Addle


    Shakey_jake wrote: »
    "My son im sorry i can not give you a house"

    Yeah sure just rock up for 8 years and get a free house of the social, the virtue signalling was strong in this

    Because she also can't work.


  • #123
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    In the first five minutes of the very first episode of love/hate alone, more happened then the whole first episode of Taken Down. It seems that the latter is taking a slower approach to developing the story or so we would hope.
    Every episode of season three of love/hate from the season premiere on was fairly tense.

    To answer your question on Brian Gleeson, he was decent in Rebellion but Love/hate was his finest role to date. I think playing that type of psychopathic character suited him well

    I didn't say nothing happened in the opening scenes of Love/Hate - I said the opening scenes of Love/Hate was very poor. Plenty happened in this first episode and the opening scenes alone here had much more going than the opening scenes of Love/Hate, so your statement doesn't really make sense.

    That doesn't answer my question about Brian Gleeson at all. You mentioned "Hughie typecasting" and I asked typecasting had been happening to him.


  • #124
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Drifter50 wrote: »
    Did the writers really have to introduce the idea of the sterotypical male garda from the 1980`s. Not typical of todays Gardai and a poor sideswipe.

    Unnecessary because no one will take them up on it because it is PC today

    Which Garda are you referring to? Angry Garda or the guy queueing for lunch?


  • #125
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Graniteville wrote: »
    Check the first episode of Big bang Theory - quite lame in comparison to nearly every other episode as it simply built the characters.

    US shows differ as the first episode is almost always a pilot, which was shot some time ahead of the rest of the series. It is not uncommon for the first episode to differ quite a bit from the rest of the series.

    TBBT is actually an interesting example as the Sheldon character differs completely from the rest of the series.


  • #126
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Addle wrote: »
    Because she also can't work.

    It is not a topic I've ever given much thought too, but why are asylum seekers not allowed to work?

    Are people in this situation on social welfare?


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  • #127
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    mloc123 wrote: »
    US shows differ as the first episode is almost always a pilot, which was shot some time ahead of the rest of the series. It is not uncommon for the first episode to differ quite a bit from the rest of the series.

    TBBT is actually an interesting example as the Sheldon character differs completely from the rest of the series.

    I believe Graniteville meant was that people can't properly judge a show based on one episode. Or, as is often the case in Ireland, based on the ads for it or the fact it is on RTÉ.


  • #128
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,452 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    That doesn't answer my question about Brian Gleeson at all. You mentioned "Hughie typecasting" and I asked typecasting had been happening to him.

    I looked him up on IMDB during the show. He really hasn't been doing a whole lot, compared to his much more geeky brother, who has really hit the big time.


  • #129
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Didn't take the scene of the garda queuing for the lunch as a dig at the gaurds. More a bit of humour, we all know or have that work mate who wouldn't turn up a free lunch.
    Thought the pace of the show was quite slow, even for a first episode but I suppose they have to build the story. I won't write it off yet.
    Think they missed a trick with the guy who was staring. If i was a detective he'd be the first person I'd interview, he watches everything so might have seen something of note.


  • #130
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I looked him up on IMDB during the show. He really hasn't been doing a whole lot, compared to his much more geeky brother, who has really hit the big time.

    A comparison to the brother is not of much use. Their careers have nothing to do with each other.

    Also it does not explain the supposed "typecasting".


  • #131
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    jvan wrote: »
    Didn't take the scene of the garda queuing for the lunch as a dig at the gaurds. More a bit of humour, we all know or have that work mate who wouldn't turn up a free lunch.

    Yes, I fail to see how that is an insult to the Guards or a "stereotype of the 80s". The scene was funny and I know people like that.
    jvan wrote: »
    Thought the pace of the show was quite slow, even for a first episode but I suppose they have to build the story. I won't write it off yet.
    Think they missed a trick with the guy who was staring. If i was a detective he'd be the first person I'd interview, he watches everything so might have seen something of note.

    Yes, Samir should have been one of the first they spoke to even before Wayne.

    However, I believe that the fact she didn't could be an indication that Samir being a witness is a red herring. His purpose in the story was for conflict with the young detective and to show the conditions asylum seekers live in and what they are running from in their country of origin - his final prayer scene shows he was tortured and he has been castrated based his comment to Rooney about "not being a man (no doubt the autopsy will reveal that)


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  • #132
    Addle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭Addle


    She knows something about Samir that we don't anyways. 'I'm not even a man'.


  • #133
    Addle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭Addle


    She knows something about Samir that we don't anyways. 'I'm not even a man'.


  • #134
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    Yes, I fail to see how that is an insult to the Guards or a "stereotype of the 80s". The scene was funny and I know people like that.



    Yes, Samir should have been one of the first they spoke to even before Wayne.

    However, I believe that the fact she didn't could be an indication that Samir being a witness is a red herring. His purpose in the story was for conflict with the young detective and to show the conditions asylum seekers live in and what they are running from in their country of origin - his final prayer scene shows he was tortured and he has been castrated based his comment to Rooney about "not being a man (no doubt the autopsy will reveal that)

    Thanks, found it hard to remember each of the characters names.


  • #135
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Addle wrote: »
    She knows something about Samir that we don't anyways. 'I'm not even a man'.

    Which "she" are you referring to?


  • #136
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    jvan wrote: »
    Thanks, found it hard to remember each of the characters names.

    Likewise.

    I only remember Wayne and Samir - Wayne is easy enough and Samir's name was used a lot, but the rest I have not clue.

    I only know Rooney because I looked it up. I'm not even sure any Guard's name is used in the episode other than the young detective.

    EDIT: Last night I knew the victims names, but that is gone. I don't think I can blame that on the show though :P


  • #137
    Addle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,812 ✭✭✭Addle


    Spon Farmer wrote: »
    Which "she" are you referring to?

    The lead cop.


  • #138
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    This isn't a TV show, it's asylum seeker propaganda. Every tweet on the hashtag liberals virtue signalling about direct provision which they know nothing about, or others calling it out. Political propaganda.


  • #139
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    This isn't a TV show, it's asylum seeker propaganda. Every tweet on the hashtag liberals virtue signalling about direct provision which they know nothing about, or others calling it out. Political propaganda.

    Your still at it from yesterday.

    Do you just troll every single discussion with your ultra right wing agenda.

    We can't even discuss a drama on TV in the TV forum without you and the other lads ruining it for everyone and then thanking each others posts.

    Give us a rest will ya. Take it to after hours were people are prepared to listen to the guff


  • #140
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    listermint wrote: »
    Your still at it from yesterday.

    Do you just troll every single discussion with your ultra right wing agenda.

    We can't even discuss a drama on TV in the TV forum without you and the other lads ruining it for everyone and then thanking each others posts.

    Give us a rest will ya. Take it to after hours were people are prepared to listen to the guff
    The twitter hashtag for this is political. The programme is political. I am just responding to this. Sinn Fein politicians are cheerleading it on twitter. Which means it can only be bad news for the average Paddy.


  • #141
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    The twitter hashtag for this is political. The programme is political. I am just responding to this. Sinn Fein politicians are cheerleading it on twitter. Which means it can only be bad news for the average Paddy.

    The programme is a Drama!

    Its not political consumption, You should open a thread in After hours is you so much about the 'average paddy'

    This barrage of daily rethoric is boring do you not get tired ?


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  • #142
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    This isn't a TV show, it's asylum seeker propaganda. Every tweet on the hashtag liberals virtue signalling about direct provision which they know nothing about, or others calling it out. Political propaganda.

    The show itself isn't, so far, it's just that some people are using it as a vehicle for their agenda pushing. The writers and producers can't help it if people use their work in that way.

    Should people avoid certain settings or storylines in fiction because of the possibility or probability that others will use them to push an agenda? In my view, to do so would make those people no better than the sjw types who insist that writers should restrict themselves from certain characterisations or subject matter for the sake of promoting an agenda.


  • #143
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    For f*ck's sake, Google :D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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  • #144
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I haven't seen the show (yet, not sure it's my cup of tea), but I welcome any initiative that tries to tell different sorts of stories, from original or a different range of perspectives of modern Ireland. The lives of immigrants, legal or otherwise, are a fact and reality in modern Ireland; there's more value in trying to humanise and tell their sides of this nation's shared narrative than keeping them as news items.

    And co-opting American hyperbolic pejoratives, or screaming propaganda is a disingenuous, bad-faith engagement to take. That goes double if one hasn't actually watched the show either (including myself, so trying not to over-egg the point). All drama, be it TV, film, novel or comicbook, is told with either an existing bias from the author, or a preferred subjective point of view - that's literally the starting point of most fictitious accounts of the human experience. Picking and choosing ones outrage only betrays the larger bias in the consumer TBH.

    Unless the aim is to demonise or scaremonger - which, you know, would be propaganda - then the end result is always going to be a positive reflection on a maligned corner of society. In fact it's no uncommon for those humanising portrayals in drama to have more demonstrable legal or societal effect than a dozen news items.


  • #145
    Spon Farmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Addle wrote: »
    The lead cop.

    I don't think she knows what he meant by that yet. I'm not even sure she suspects.

    However, I think we'll find out that he had been castrated by whatever group he is running from. He will named as the killer due to sexual frustration or some such by the young detective and the superintendent is my guess.


  • #146
    Graniteville
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Graniteville


    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    Sinn Fein politicians are cheerleading it on twitter.

    The writer Jo Spain worked in the admin dept of Sinn Fein offices up to a couple of years ago till she got a multiple book deal from a book publisher - so they are cheering a former colleague.

    I'm far far away from SF ideologies, but cheering on a former colleague is fine in my book


  • #147
    Redneck Culchie
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 378 ✭✭Redneck Culchie


    Graniteville wrote: »
    The writer Jo Spain worked in the admin dept of Sinn Fein offices up to a couple of years ago till she got a multiple book deal from a book publisher - so they are cheering a former colleague.

    I'm far far away from SF ideologies, but cheering on a former colleague is fine in my book
    She also once stood as a Sinn Fein election candidate.


  • #148
    Graniteville
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Graniteville


    Redneck Culchie wrote: »
    She also once stood as a Sinn Fein election candidate.

    As I have zero interest in SF and their policies, that would not be something I'd know.

    But they were cheering on a former colleague - I just can't see your issue with that.


  • #149
    TheBlock
    Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭TheBlock


    yosser hughes wrote: »
    Yes it is a sincere question because it's almost a cliché now. You will see it mentioned elsewhere .by people who don't really know what it means, they read it somewhere. I know about production values and budgets. Lighting and soundtrack? More often than not soundtracks are used as cover for failings elsewhere. Locations? What?
    Tell me, what are you comparing it to here? Fair City? That's a fairly low bar. Do you actually know the budget for this is?

    I do.


  • #150
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,452 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Graniteville wrote: »
    As I have zero interest in SF and their policies, that would not be something I'd know.

    But they were cheering on a former colleague - I just can't see your issue with that.


    I saw that extreme leftie politician @paschald on Twitter praising his former Oireachtas colleague on her achievement in writing the drama too - must all be part of the leftie propaganda movement.


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  • #151
    Zaph
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I saw that extreme leftie politician @paschald on Twitter praising his former Oireachtas colleague on her achievement in writing the drama too - must all be part of the leftie propaganda movement.

    The last time I checked this was the TV forum, so would you all give it a feckin' rest. If you want to discuss leftie propganda, rightie propoganda or anything else that has f*ck all to do with the show then Politics and AH are that way. --->


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