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spurious · 21-12-2016 10:39pm

montgo wrote: »

Yes appears to be Dobinson.

I need help with this one.
Here is a rather difficult to decipher baptism record - bottom of right hand page.
March 9, James? of Owen Magrath, Ashfield, farmer? & ???????
Can anyone make out anything else?
Thanks.

That's a difficult one. Is it 'Betty Healy' to the right on the last line? Very hard to read.

montgo · 22-12-2016 1:54pm

Yes, it could be Betty Healy. Many thanks.

montgo · 26-12-2016 4:35pm

Another transcription query

I'm looking for the 1st name of the Fogarty witness (bottom of right hand page) - After Feb 16 Thomas Johnson & Bridget Fogarty.

If Thomas were non RC, would there have been a note/remark beside the record?

spurious · 26-12-2016 5:04pm

montgo wrote: »

Another transcription query

I'm looking for the 1st name of the Fogarty witness (bottom of right hand page) - After Feb 16 Thomas Johnson & Bridget Fogarty.

If Thomas were non RC, would there have been a note/remark beside the record?

Looks like Wm. (William) Fogarty to me.
Sometimes there is a note, sometimes checking the same day's baptismal record has an 'Adult Baptism' for the person. It varies.

montgo · 26-12-2016 8:10pm

Cheers, spurious.

William (Wm) would fit nicely.

I didn't fit an adult baptism for Thomas but a good idea to check nonetheless.

Leeside · 05-01-2017 4:35pm

On attached Marriage Cert, I'm trying to decipher the occupations of both fathers.
Any guesses?

The groom's occupation is 'paper-stainer' but here I'm having difficulty with his place of residence. (I'm ok with the second place of residence - it's Blackpool)

Any ideas on the words I can't decipher.

Thanks,

http://i.imgur.com/bI3ICPH.jpg

lottpaul · 05-01-2017 5:34pm

Leeside wrote: »

On attached Marriage Cert, I'm trying to decipher the occupations of both fathers.
Any guesses?

The groom's occupation is 'paper-stainer' but here I'm having difficulty with his place of residence. (I'm ok with the second place of residence - it's Blackpool)

Grooms residence is Brickfields I think

Occupations -- I'd take a stab at Miller/Milliner (less likely) and Farrier

tabbey · 05-01-2017 10:55pm

lottpaul wrote: »

Grooms residence is Brickfields I think

Occupations -- I'd take a stab at Miller/Milliner (less likely) and Farrier

It certainly looks like Brickfields, but my understanding is that it is off the Skehard Road, not a townland. Perhaps there is another Brickfields in Cork.
I see it is in the Church of Ireland, but what parish, or what local registration district?

I think it is milliner rather than miller.

shanew · 05-01-2017 11:49pm

tabbey wrote: »

..
I see it is in the Church of Ireland, but what parish, or what local registration district?.

seems to be St. Anne's Shandon - marr. 28 Apr. 1855 John Keeffe & Anne Leonard (extracted civil marriage)

Leeside · 06-01-2017 12:03am

I had never heard of Brickfields before lottpaul's suggestion. Well done - it certainly looks correct.

From searching the Irish Examiner archives from the 1840's and 1850's, it seems to have been an area between the Lower Glanmire Road and Penrose Quay.

There was a Boat House - Regattas were held there - and there was also a Baths, known as Brickfields Baths which was located on what was called Strand Road, a little below Hargrave's Quay. All new to me I must admit.

It looks like Milliner alright but having checked the trade directories of the time, every Milliner was female. At least, all the proprietors were Misses. Not one of the very many had a male name. So I don't know if Milliner is correct.

The marriage took place in St Ann's Shandon in the 1850's.

tabbey · 06-01-2017 12:08am

shanew wrote: »

seems to be St. Anne's Shandon - marr. 28 Apr. 1855 John Keeffe & Anne Leonard (extracted civil marriage)

So close to Blackpool, the bride's homeplace.

Since last post I discovered that the Lower Glanmire Road area had been reclaimed from slob lands known as the Brickfield Slobs. Perhaps that name stuck with the local population, until the completion of the railway tunnel and construction of the main station on the Lower Glanmire Road changed the area for ever.

Leeside · 06-01-2017 12:54am

shanew wrote: »

seems to be St. Anne's Shandon - marr. 28 Apr. 1855 John Keeffe & Anne Leonard (extracted civil marriage)

That's the one alright.

Leeside · 06-01-2017 1:02am

tabbey wrote: »

So close to Blackpool, the bride's homeplace.

Since last post I discovered that the Lower Glanmire Road area had been reclaimed from slob lands known as the Brickfield Slobs. Perhaps that name stuck with the local population, until the completion of the railway tunnel and construction of the main station on the Lower Glanmire Road changed the area for ever.

I'm thinking that maybe the bride's father's occupation could be Furrier rather than Farrier. This would mean that the Milliner's son married the Furriers daughter. That just might make sense.

pedroeibar1 · 06-01-2017 11:25am

I see Milkman and Farrier.

Leeside · 06-01-2017 2:01pm

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I see Milkman and Farrier.

Thanks for the suggestion. I can see where you're coming from but I don't see the middle 'k' in milkman similar to the 'k' in 'brickfields' or 'blackpool. Maybe it's the romantic in me but I kind of like the idea of the Milliner's son and the Furrier's daughter. A fairly glamorous wedding I'd imagine if that was the case.

spurious · 06-01-2017 2:39pm

It could have been a military milliner rather than one who dealt in fascinators.

A manly milliner, if you were.
Are there any trades directories might help?

shanew · 06-01-2017 4:33pm

good free website for Cork City and County directories is : CorkPastandPresent.ie

KildareFan · 06-01-2017 5:14pm

not so romantic:

one father's occupation looks like currier
"A currier is a specialist in the leather processing industry. After the tanning process, the currier applies techniques of dressing, finishing and colouring to the tanned hide to make it strong, flexible and waterproof."

The other father looks like millhand [someone who works in a mill]

Leeside · 07-01-2017 9:42pm

Thanks for all the great suggestions. All very thought prevoking - I can't make up my mind which is the more likely.

I can never understand why persons with such bad handwriting were employed to copy the original documents and then to compound it why such bad photocopies were made. :mad:

pedroeibar1 · 08-01-2017 1:15pm

KildareFan wrote: »

not so romantic:

one father's occupation looks like currier
"A currier is a specialist in the leather processing industry. After the tanning process, the currier applies techniques of dressing, finishing and colouring to the tanned hide to make it strong, flexible and waterproof."

The other father looks like millhand [someone who works in a mill]

I'd accept those. It also would be geographically supported as Blackpool and the area across to Shandon was the industrial centre of Cork in the 19th century. Blackpool had many tanneries and mills, and adjoining Fair Lane was a centre for cattle processing.

Waitsian · 18-01-2017 9:25pm

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05360/4494482.pdf

Anyone have a go please at cause of death for #2 (fifth entry down), Michael Doyle 24/6/1912? Acute Bright is presumably inflammation of the kidneys i.e. Bright's disease, but below that? Some kind of poisoning but I can't make it out. Given he was a publican I thought 'alcoholic' but it doesn't read that way to me.

shanew · 18-01-2017 9:37pm

uremic poisoning ? which would fit with Kidney problems...

Waitsian · 18-01-2017 9:40pm

shanew wrote: »

uremic poisoning ? which could fit with Kidney problems...

So he's erroneously stuck an 'a' in uremic? I think you're correct. Nice one.

VirginiaB · 27-01-2017 4:20pm

Can anyone figure out the last name of the male sponsor in this baptism record?
Kinnegad RC parish, Diocese of Meath. 18 August 1833. Baby is Elizabeth Kelly (my great-great grandmother), D. to Mathew and Mary Reilly--SS. Patt ???? and Bridget Caroon. Thanks. The image is at--
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635234#page/32/mode/1up

P. Breathnach · 27-01-2017 4:45pm

It might be Fagan, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

Hermy · 27-01-2017 5:01pm

I'd agree with Fagan.

VirginiaB · 27-01-2017 5:14pm

Thanks--it does look like Fagan. I checked both Griffith's Valuation and John Grenham's site and Fagan is a very common name in the immediate area. So I think I'll go with Fagan. Thank you both very much.

pinkypinky · 28-01-2017 6:21pm

What do people make of the groom's occupation and address for this 1928 marriage please? I see Leitrim but can't make out the town.

VirginiaB · 28-01-2017 6:34pm

Sgt CG is perhaps Sergeant C[ivil] G[uard]. Just a guess.

mickmackey1 · 28-01-2017 6:34pm

It's Cloone Co Leitrim and maybe Sergeant Civil Guard (Sgt CG) ?

mickmackey1 · 28-01-2017 6:35pm

Haha great minds

VirginiaB · 28-01-2017 6:55pm

Looks that way

pinkypinky · 28-01-2017 7:05pm

Thanks all. Agree about the town.

tabbey · 29-01-2017 11:39pm

mickmackey1 wrote: »

It's Cloone Co Leitrim and maybe Sergeant Civil Guard (Sgt CG) ?

There are three Cloone townlands in Co Leitrim, apart from dozens starting with cloon (meadow).
The one near Mohill is the one that could be considered a village.
And it had a constabulary barrack in the 25" map.

pinkypinky · 02-02-2017 1:11pm

What do you make of the bride's address please?

Hermy · 02-02-2017 1:37pm

2 Carman's Hall

There's a Catherine Wallace at 3.3 Carman's Hall in 1901.

Map link here.

pinkypinky · 02-02-2017 1:59pm

Thanks for that Hermy!

BigCon · 02-02-2017 4:02pm

Any ideas?
Twins?

pinkypinky · 02-02-2017 4:07pm

Terrible handwriting!

Connors - surname?

Is the last word Ryan?

BigCon · 02-02-2017 4:10pm

Yeah, it's
"Michael of John Connors and Bridget Wilds. Sponsors Mary Corbon? and Thomas Quirke?
Judy? of John Connors sponsors ? ? and ? Ryan

pinkypinky · 02-02-2017 5:13pm

Judy looks right - I thought it myself before you commented.

spurious · 03-02-2017 12:17pm

Thady? Tuite? and ? Ryan.

KildareFan · 03-02-2017 1:06pm

my attempt:
1849 Oct 24
Michl of Jno Connors & Brgt Wilde
Sp Mary Corbon & Tesy Tuite
Thady of Jno Connor
Sp Thady Tuite & Mrg Ryan

what's the place name in the margin? Looks like Greenulan

BigCon · 03-02-2017 1:12pm

It's Grennanstown

pinkypinky · 14-02-2017 1:28pm

Thoughts on the Mahony father's occupation please.

mickmackey1 · 14-02-2017 1:39pm

Blacksmith?

BowWow · 14-02-2017 2:57pm

Soldier? Member of 13th. "something regiment"?

shanew · 14-02-2017 3:07pm

think the first letter is a 'B' - looks similar to the B in Bachelor to me, the 2nd part looks like Smith with a squashed 'S' like the S in spinster .. so I'm going with Blk. Smith

pedroeibar1 · 14-02-2017 3:24pm

shanew wrote: »

Blk. Smith

+1

Jellybaby1 · 14-02-2017 9:21pm

Blacksmith for me too!

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