Formula E - Gen.2

19-06-2021 10:57pm

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

Jaysis, it's harsh, but thems are the rules! Delighted for Audi.

Why they waited til after the race was over is beyond me. Surely with Formula E being all about being green they shouldn't be wasting tyres and energy letting a car drive around for no reason?

TheChrisD · 19-06-2021 11:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Not declaring the tyres? Seems like the kind of thing they could have black-flagged him for a lot earlier.

Black flagging a car earlier means they can save the tyres (and, well, the rest of the car) for the next race. DQ'ing after the fact both gives the option for appeals if they're less cut-and-dry, as well as ensures all cars have taken a similar amount of wear.

20-06-2021 12:39am

TheChrisD wrote: »

Black flagging a car earlier means they can save the tyres (and, well, the rest of the car) for the next race. DQ'ing after the fact both gives the option for appeals if they're less cut-and-dry, as well as ensures all cars have taken a similar amount of wear.

Well it was a pretty cut-and-dry one.
Do they use the same tyres for 2 races?

jv2000 · 20-06-2021 11:21am

They should maybe have black flagged him in the last lap. That was beyond ridiculous the way it played out. Formula E provides such great racing that these types of incidents drive down the sport. Constant penalties for technical issues, I am not disputing them but they seriously need to find an easier way to communicate them. F1 does this relatively effictevely so why can't FE? It is holding the sport back from a wider audience and I am not surprised TV stations do not want to touch it.

jv2000 · 21-06-2021 11:35am

Another low for FE last night after they penalised Pascal Wehrlein by 5 seconds for improper use of Fan Boost, it appears he used it whilst in low power mode and did not use the full power on offer. Whilst clearly against the rules it does appear very harsh since he didn't actually gain any kind of an extra advantage. Also not very nice for the fans that actually voted for him to have the fan boost. Wehrlein is classified 4th although he finished 2nd.

Mortara controlled the race well though and was a deserved winner, he came under pressure from Wehrlein for a period of time but managed to hold on before Wehrlein dropped off - he probably would have been declared the winner even if he did finish behind Werhlein but still nicer to win it on the track.

Overall a bad weekend for FE. Their TV coverage was crap, they rarely showed the time gaps on the screen and the director always seemed to miss the action. The numerous badly explained technical infringements and penalties needs some serious work so that there is an awareness of what is actually going on.

pjohnson · 21-06-2021 11:51am

The fact that the actual FE race is somewhat meaningless is a giant plague over the series.

Like there could be an exhilirating race. But most of the time the "result" isn't decided until an hour or so after the chequered flag when a glut of penalties are applied.

AMKC · 21-06-2021 2:56pm

Awe well it looks like I did not miss much. FE is it's own worst enemy by the sounds of it and by the way they have let it go behind pay per view they certainly are. I could have been a bigger fan of this now instead of F1 but nope they put it behind pay per view before it was even established and guess what no TV channel even wants to take it on because of the lack of viewers.
So for now on I will just catch the highlights of it when they appear on You-Tube and if not then it has been nice knowing you Formula e but you fu-cked up.
At least with F1 we know where we stand you never know one weekend to the next if Formula e is going to be live or not.

pjohnson · 22-06-2021 8:17am

AMKC wrote: »

Awe well it looks like I did not miss much. FE is it's own worst enemy by the sounds of it and by the way they have let it go behind pay per view they certainly are. I could have been a bigger fan of this now instead of F1 but nope they put it behind pay per view before it was even established and guess what no TV channel even wants to take it on because of the lack of viewers.
So for now on I will just catch the highlights of it when they appear on You-Tube and if not then it has been nice knowing you Formula e but you fu-cked up.
At least with F1 we know where we stand you never know one weekend to the next if Formula e is going to be live or not.

I think they stopped putting full races on Youtube 2 weeks after the race, and removed the older races from youtube. This year they seem to be trying to kill it off.

Lots of annoyed tweets from big fans of previous seasons regarding this year.

AMKC · 22-06-2021 10:36am

pjohnson wrote: »

I think they stopped putting full races on Youtube 2 weeks after the race, and removed the older races from youtube. This year they seem to be trying to kill it off.

Lots of annoyed tweets from big fans of previous seasons regarding this year.

Ye it does not make any sense and seems utterly stupid what they are doing. If they had a big TV company paying them loads to have all the rights to it and to show it ok then it might make sense but they do not so it makes no sense. Yes the Formula 1 fanbase has gone down since it went from free to view to pay per view but it has a lot of fans and could afford to do that and to lose some fans Formula e on the other hand was barely established before they done it so it just makes no sense.

jv2000 · 25-06-2021 12:35pm

Silly season is really kicking in now. Rowland has apparently signed with Mahindra for next season, Lynn out? Also BMW and Audi are gone next season, what next for their drivers? And today we have rumours of Da Costa to IndyCar - it is apparently linked to Techcheetah financial issues but Da Costa says he is staying.

AMKC · 27-06-2021 3:00pm

jv2000 wrote: »

Silly season is really kicking in now. Rowland has apparently signed with Mahindra for next season, Lynn out? Also BMW and Audi are gone next season, what next for their drivers? And today we have rumours of Da Costa to IndyCar - it is apparently linked to Techcheetah financial issues but Da Costa says he is staying.

I can't blame BMW or Audi for leaving the way it is been run recently. Sure there is plenty more manufacturers to come in and take up where they were but I myself have lost interest in it now too. No point in trying to follow a series if you can not watch the races so last weekend was the last straw for me. Sorry Formula e but untill you sort the crap out you will never beat Formula 1.

jv2000 · 28-06-2021 10:33am

AMKC wrote: »

I can't blame BMW or Audi for leaving the way it is been run recently. Sure there is plenty more manufacturers to come in and take up where they were but I myself have lost interest in it now too. No point in trying to follow a series if you can not watch the races so last weekend was the last straw for me. Sorry Formula e but untill you sort the crap out you will never beat Formula 1.

Completely agree with you, they have reached a make or break moment in the future of the sport. The other part I hate is how irregular the races are, there is no pattern to the gaps between races and you could have 6 rounds in 6 days or 3 months between races. Then the races themselves are sometimes at midday, sometimes at 2pm, sometimes at night.... sometimes on a Friday.... drives me crazy. Just keep it simple, put all races on Youtube and rely on sponsorship and advertising instead TV deals like Virgin Media and Quest!!

I often laugh at the irony of this revolutionary electric series being so incompetent. They can't even do team radios well or get the timing right on the screen. So often I have seen drivers drop off the race classification only to re-appear a lap later.

pjohnson · 28-06-2021 10:50am

This year is probably the worst of the whole series. It should be improving year on year but this year is worse than its debut.

Its almost like they are trying to wind down the series. Races have NEVER been as hard to even know about let alone watch.

TheChrisD · 28-06-2021 5:52pm

jv2000 wrote: »

Then the races themselves are sometimes at midday, sometimes at 2pm, sometimes at night.... sometimes on a Friday.... drives me crazy.

The race start times haven't been that spread about this year - Rome was 4p and 1p, Valencia 3p and 2p, Monaco and Puebla all at 4p. Not that far apart from each other, kind of like how F1 shuffles around an hour or two to suit the local climate and solar pattern.

The one big exception was Saudi Arabia where it was both at night (8pm) and on Fri/Sat because that's how their weekend works.

jv2000 · 29-06-2021 11:28am

TheChrisD wrote: »

The race start times haven't been that spread about this year - Rome was 4p and 1p, Valencia 3p and 2p, Monaco and Puebla all at 4p. Not that far apart from each other, kind of like how F1 shuffles around an hour or two to suit the local climate and solar pattern.

The one big exception was Saudi Arabia where it was both at night (8pm) and on Fri/Sat because that's how their weekend works.

For me that is a really big problem, Rome and Valencia are examples, why do we need a different race start time from Saturday to Sunday? Also Puebla may have been 4pm local time but it was 10pm Irish time. I am more accepting of local timezones though, it is the lack of consistency as outlined by Rome and Valencia that gets me.

Anyway, it is all an easy fix and there are bigger issues than this.

TheChrisD · 05-07-2021 7:45pm

New York this weekend.

Saturday 10th
FP1 — 12:55pm
FP2 — 3:10pm
Qualifying 1 — 5:15pm
Race 1 — 9pm, green at 9:34pm

Sunday 11th
FP3 — 12:10pm
Qualifying 2 — 2:15pm
Race 2 — 6pm, green at 6:34pm

PopePalpatine · 16-07-2021 2:06pm

Channel 4 will show next weekend's rounds at the London ExCel Centre.

Those races will also have a reduced energy allowance as race simulations have shown much less need for energy regeneration than other circuits. Hopefully the reduction doesn't lead to a Valencia rehash.

AMKC · 18-07-2021 12:53pm

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Nice I will watch that even do I have not seen all the races this year.

TheChrisD · 19-07-2021 4:45pm

Feckin' Lahndan this weekend. Rather than squirming around Battersea Park though, it's this interesting indoor/outdoor hybrid at the ExCeL centre.

Schedule

Friday 23rd

FP1 — 4:55pm

Saturday 24th

FP2 — 8:55am
Qualifying 1 — 10:45am
Race 1 — 2:00pm (Channel 4), 2:30pm (Virgin Two)

Sunday 25th

FP3 — 7:55am
Qualifying 2 — 9:45am
Race 2 — 1:30pm (Channel 4/Virgin Two)

Eurosport is useless this week, only delayed race broadcasts at 7:30pm both days.

Charlie-Bravo · 20-07-2021 1:30pm

Channel 4 is perfect for me. I think most people will have that anyway, and in HD too on Satellite Free-to-Air.

AMKC · 23-07-2021 1:42pm

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Me too. I have Virgin Two as well but will prob watch it on Channel 4.

25-07-2021 1:59pm

Race just starting on Channel 4 now.

Thought it was gonna kick off a while ago so stayed in, probably not going to be able to get a roll by the time it's over now. 😪

skipper_G · 25-07-2021 2:21pm

At least the stewards came down hard on Buemi for that nonsense with Rast. 10 second stop and go penalty. I think some of the drivers seem to think they're in Mario kart

Just as I typed this, we have Lotterer squeezing da Costa into in the wall and another one bites the dust

25-07-2021 2:32pm

Jesus it's an awful clown show at times tbh.

Vandoorne must be **** fuming. Loses the lead because of nonsense pulled by di Grasi (which he may get away with) then gets punted out by an abysmal mistake by another driver.

skipper_G · 25-07-2021 2:33pm

I haven't watched a formula e race in a while, but the driving standards are atrocious. They're actively driving into opponents to slow their cars down or get around the mickey mouse hairpin

skipper_G · 25-07-2021 2:38pm

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Clown show is right, Di Grassi has to be penalised for that pit lane stunt right? I mean that can't be legal

25-07-2021 2:42pm

Yeah he's getting done for it. Would be interesting if he would've got away with it by stopping or would he have had to wait for the field to go past at the end of the pitlane.

Doesn't help Vandoorne in the end either.

pjohnson · 25-07-2021 2:47pm

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This year has been awful for the series.

25-07-2021 2:48pm

Not a direct criticism of the series but I love how the one garage hidden from the cameras is the one that we need to see. 😆 I assumed they would have onboard footage of all the cars.

skipper_G · 25-07-2021 2:55pm

If the intention is to turn formula e into the premier comedy racing series they have absolutely succeeded

25-07-2021 5:56pm

Don't forget that there are people who still claim that the "relevance" of Formula E means it will be more popular than F1 soon. 😂

skipper_G · 25-07-2021 6:25pm

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Relevance is good, competitive championship is good. But show that race to any prospective fan and they'll laugh at it. Worst driving standards I've seen in some time. Not sure that race control were in any control, Bits of car littered the track by the end, just left there because why not have a giant piece of bodywork on the main straight to spice up the racing. Just another gimmick to go with attack modes and fan boosts. Couple that with the what channel is it on this time guesswork involved in trying to watch it in the first place. It's got great potential but looks like amateur hour stuff still

Harika · 25-07-2021 6:26pm

Alexa show me why german car manufacturers have a bad image in motorsport.

What a sh8tshow of a race

pjohnson · 25-07-2021 7:14pm

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Its worse than it has ever been this year. The first year had far less fcuk ups than this year.

AMKC · 25-07-2021 9:33pm

That was a crazy race today but at least it was not boring like yesterday's race. I did not think the track was great. The concept was great but in reality it looked like the were racing in car parking or a carting track. At least the stewards are not afraid to dish out the penaltys here do and the right ones too unlike Formula 1.

the_pen_turner · 25-07-2021 10:05pm

just watched the hylights.

vandoorne must be one of the un luckiest drivers in motorsport. loads of crazy stuff seems to follow him around.

the black flag is crazy . if he had stopped during the pit stop it would have been perfectly legal and would have allowed him to lead the race

that cichicane is madness. the amount of bumpercars was crazy. you cant expect cars to go through there 2 wide, its just too narrow

the tracks really need sorting out if FE is going to take off.. racing in a car park is the best way to discribe it. they are boring and bland tracks.

Burkie1203 · 25-07-2021 10:14pm

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And they cannot download GPS data until they get the car back. McNish was adamant he stopped.

AMKC · 25-07-2021 10:46pm

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They thought they were been clever I would say and getting around the rules. I would say he stopped for about a second if even that and then went again. Very clever if it had worked but nope they got caught.

They really should change that and have the rules say if you come into the pits it should be for a genuine reason like fixing a broken wing or changing it or changing or tyre or to serve a penalty otherwise entering the pits during a race is not on.

pjohnson · 25-07-2021 10:51pm

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Nah. FE stewards are generally chronic.

Far too many races have entirely different classifications two/three hours after the race.

Although the fact they used the black flag during the race was a huge success and step forward.

the_pen_turner · 25-07-2021 10:53pm

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that would be hard to police . all they would have to do is check a body panel or pull something out of a duct and say it could have caused a problem but it would only take a second to do.

you would need to have a minium stop time say 2-3 seconds

Harika · 26-07-2021 7:43am

Close the pitlane exit during safety car and only open while safety car is in the middle sector.

jv2000 · 26-07-2021 11:19am

So close to brilliance from Di Grassi. It was worth a shot and the win would have put him in second place in the championship heading into the final double header weekend.

https://twitter.com/FIAFormulaE/status/1419325714499833859?s=20

Charlie-Bravo · 26-07-2021 7:00pm

To me it looks like he didn't stop. A little lock up but momentum still going forward.

flazio · 26-07-2021 9:19pm

Could that be attempted at a F1 race? I'm thinking about Monaco where the pitlane is surely a shortcut to Saint Devotte.

Charlie-Bravo · 27-07-2021 9:13am

I would think that the F1 safety car is hitting at least over 120kph on the start/finish straight and the pit lane speed limit is 60kph. I know you can gun it between the safety car line and the pit lane speed limit line. Be interesting if that was tried to see the outcome.

Or does the pit lane exit red light come on as the safety car train comes around?

jv2000 · 27-07-2021 10:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117664832#Comment_117664832

Yeah I'd agree with this, you can hear the tires screech as he "stops" and he is off immediately. I'd say he is having nightmares about it, if only he had waited 1 second...

AMKC · 27-07-2021 10:23pm

Yep he should stopped for at least a second. I wonder will anyone else ever be brave enough to try something like this again.

PopePalpatine · 29-07-2021 7:08pm

The FIA are going to clamp down on future attempts at emulating di GrAssi, so I doubt anyone will try it in future races.

31-07-2021 11:22am

They could just not have the safety car go deliberately slow. Some real rinky-dink nonsense.

TheChrisD · 09-08-2021 6:57pm

Season finale double-header in Berlin this weekend.

Friday 13th

FP1 — 3:55pm

Saturday 14th

FP2 — 6:55am
Qualifying 1 — 8:45am
Race 1 — 12:30pm (Virgin Two, Eurosport 2)

Sunday 15th

FP3 — 6:55am
FP4 — 8:25am
Qualifying 2 — 10:15am
Race 2 — 2:00pm (BBC2, Virgin Two, Eurosport 2)

EDIT: forgot to change from CET 😳

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