Second hand tractors are gone expensive

endainoz · 11-02-2021 1:43pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

them wheels have been sprayed,back ones recently enough (marks of sockets,where tightened on)

Visible rust/pitting been sprayed over the mounting points for centres of front wheels

No flys on you lad! On closer inspection the mudguards are definitely new with the shine on them. Still a tidy machine all the same.

twin_beacon · 11-02-2021 1:52pm

Was the 8210 build on the same frame as the TW15? Just a bit lighter and less power?

timple23 · 11-02-2021 2:03pm

twin_beacon wrote: »

Was the 8210 build on the same frame as the TW15? Just a bit lighter and less power?

7810/8210/TW15 have the same 401 engine I think. 8210 and TW would be similar size but TW would have a heavier backend.

11-02-2021 2:08pm

endainoz wrote: »

No flys on you lad!

If they are,their paying rent

On closer inspection the mudguards are definitely new with the shine on them. Still a tidy machine all the same.

I dont to seem knocking it...its a v.tidy machine tbf.....but the mounting points for centres are v.difficult to get right.....

i.remember getting wheels sand blasted before and using fibre-glass filler to get a good finish on em....slow,tedious work,i wouldnt wish it on me worst enenmy tbh

blue5000 · 11-02-2021 2:15pm

endainoz wrote: »

Well kept machine all the same though, it seems to me like people are taking a bit more care of older machines these days now that they realize how much value the have years later.

36k is a bit mad though, was never gone on this generation of ford's anyway, the design seems to have aged badly or something!

twin_beacon wrote: »

Was the 8210 build on the same frame as the TW15? Just a bit lighter and less power?

timple23 wrote: »

7810/8210/TW15 have the same 401 engine I think. 8210 and TW would be similar size but TW would have a heavier backend.

Ford were getting to be a bit of a joke at this stage. The 8210 back end was basically the same as a 5000 which first came out in 1965.

6 pot engine was a bit too powerful for the back end, heard of a couple where the pto stopped working. When it was split a socket had been welded on to the shaft coming off the flywheel and the tractor sold on. Still though the SQ cab wasn't the worst place you could spend a day in 1990.

White Clover · 11-02-2021 3:02pm

twin_beacon wrote: »

Was the 8210 build on the same frame as the TW15? Just a bit lighter and less power?

I don't think they were. The TW's were made in Antwerp, Belgium. They used the older crash gearbox and had the 401s engine. The 10's were made in Basildon. As far as I know, the 8210 had a much smaller displacement engine than the TW's. They were a sluggish tractor, many were turbo'd to try and get them to perform some way decent.

Gawddawggonnit · 11-02-2021 8:08pm

blue5000 wrote: »

Ford were getting to be a bit of a joke at this stage. The 8210 back end was basically the same as a 5000 which first came out in 1965.

6 pot engine was a bit too powerful for the back end, heard of a couple where the pto stopped working. When it was split a socket had been welded on to the shaft coming off the flywheel and the tractor sold on. Still though the SQ cab wasn't the worst place you could spend a day in 1990.

Lol.
The old 8210. I had a couple back in the day that got more abuse than I’d dare to give any tractor since.
After 2k hrs I’d one that went porous so we decided to fire a TW15 engine into it...then ended up winding it up to 160hp out the back. You could take off in top gear and spin all four on concrete. Beast.

( Did I mention that I’m a reformed cowboy...go to weekly meetings and all.)

Reggie. · 11-02-2021 8:52pm

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol.
The old 8210. I had a couple back in the day that got more abuse than I’d dare to give any tractor since.
After 2k hrs I’d one that went porous so we decided to fire a TW15 engine into it...then ended up winding it up to 160hp out the back. You could take off in top gear and spin all four on concrete. Beast.

( Did I mention that I’m a reformed cowboy...go to weekly meetings and all.)

Dont think too many here would believe you

straight · 11-02-2021 10:05pm

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol.
The old 8210. I had a couple back in the day that got more abuse than I’d dare to give any tractor since.
After 2k hrs I’d one that went porous so we decided to fire a TW15 engine into it...then ended up winding it up to 160hp out the back. You could take off in top gear and spin all four on concrete. Beast.

( Did I mention that I’m a reformed cowboy...go to weekly meetings and all.)

Was that a frosty concrete yard. Once a cowboy, always a cowboy. We just learn to hide it a bit better.

paddysdream · 12-02-2021 12:43am

blue5000 wrote: »

Ford were getting to be a bit of a joke at this stage. The 8210 back end was basically the same as a 5000 which first came out in 1965.

6 pot engine was a bit too powerful for the back end, heard of a couple where the pto stopped working. When it was split a socket had been welded on to the shaft coming off the flywheel and the tractor sold on. Still though the SQ cab wasn't the worst place you could spend a day in 1990.

From memory it was a 28mm three quarter drive impact socket used.Seen a few done and not a bother on them afterwards.Not a major job if you knew what you were doing.Only seen it done on 6610 and 7610 who had serious amount of pto work .

paddysdream · 12-02-2021 12:49am

maidhc wrote: »

It’s not good value, but more because the 8210 wasn’t great to begin with. There is no reason why a farmer could not use a 40 year old tractor as a mainline machine once it’s well maintained.

My 22 year old TS115 has under 6k hours. It will reach 10k hours when it is 50 at the current rate... I can’t see anything it does much worse than a new tractor.

Agree with that.Nothing wrong with a 40yr old tractor but who in their right mind would spend the sort of money he is looking for that 8210 to buy something as outdated as it is.
Nothing wrong with an 8210 but 30k (plus vat) should surely get something slightly more modern with 40k box ,suspension , decent lift and turning circle.

Drove one for a while ,along with TWs ,Countys etc and whilst they were grand in their day unsure if I would spend all day in one now.They were a "big" tractor at the time but nowadays 115hp is loader tractor territory not frontline tillage machine.

have2flushtwice · 23-02-2021 7:53am

looking on done deal, quads are gone expensive too. sold my Suzuki.250.cc 2wd 2 years ago and they are asking 1000 more today.

straight · 27-02-2021 10:37pm

have2flushtwice wrote: »

looking on done deal, quads are gone expensive too. sold my Suzuki.250.cc 2wd 2 years ago and they are asking 1000 more today.

We bought a honda fourtrax 350 over 10 years ago for 2250. Has been a great quad. Fools and their money are easily parted.

have2flushtwice · 02-03-2021 6:06pm

straight wrote: »

We bought a honda fourtrax 350 over 10 years ago for 2250. Has been a great quad. Fools and their money are easily parted.

is say it's still worth that...

Gudstock · 03-03-2021 1:13am

e49k for a 15 year old case, even if hours are genuine, these prices are crazy surely....

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-tractor-mxu-115-with-case-loader/27392066

Bass Reeves · 03-03-2021 1:24am

Gudstock wrote: »

e49k for a 15 year old case, even if hours are genuine, these prices are crazy surely....

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-tractor-mxu-115-with-case-loader/27392066

It looks like it is out of a showroom. Either that's a new passenger seat or no big heavy farmer sat on it too long.

They were and are some tractor. Would be a heavier tractor than many modern 150hP tractors. It looks like a tractor that was well minded whether the hours are genuine you have to check.

49k may be a bit strong for it but if it is genuine 40k will not be out of the question. Take it you bought a straight one without a loader on it. If you bought that loader new to put on it you would not have much change out of 15k....if you got it for that

straight · 03-03-2021 7:28am

Gudstock wrote: »

e49k for a 15 year old case, even if hours are genuine, these prices are crazy surely....

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-tractor-mxu-115-with-case-loader/27392066

Some joke. 83k for a brand new case luxuum and loader.

Grueller · 03-03-2021 1:11pm

straight wrote: »

Some joke. 83k for a brand new case luxuum and loader.

New Holland T6.125s or Case Maxxum 115 are available at the same price as that luxxum with a quicke Q5m loader on board. They are a different beast of a tractor too in terms of weight, size and capability.

Grueller · 03-03-2021 1:13pm

Gudstock wrote: »

e49k for a 15 year old case, even if hours are genuine, these prices are crazy surely....

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-tractor-mxu-115-with-case-loader/27392066

Manual lift on it as well. A cock of a yoke to get height on the lift for say trying to get an agitator into a tank or the likes.

Tonynewholland · 03-03-2021 3:17pm

Gudstock wrote: »

e49k for a 15 year old case, even if hours are genuine, these prices are crazy surely....

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-tractor-mxu-115-with-case-loader/27392066

55k would be about the price of her new at the time. Not including the loader

TheClubMan · 03-03-2021 9:05pm

What are people's experiences with New Holland 6635 tractors? Look to be a good stockman's tractor with no electrics. Thinking of purchasing one I have my eye on

maidhc · 03-03-2021 10:40pm

Grueller wrote: »

Manual lift on it as well. A cock of a yoke to get height on the lift for say trying to get an agitator into a tank or the likes.

How does a having mechanical load sensing affect the height the arms raise to?

It seems to me that a new “heavy” 120 hp tractor with a loader is the bones of 100k. That’s half the price, and if genuine is easily worth 10 or 15k more than a rough item. You could buy a tractor for 30k, one backend problem and a set of tyres and where are you?

hopeso · 03-03-2021 10:58pm

TheClubMan wrote: »

What are people's experiences with New Holland 6635 tractors? Look to be a good stockman's tractor with no electrics. Thinking of purchasing one I have my eye on

I have no experience of them, but they should be a sound stockman's tractor. They're basically the old Fiat 90 series dressed up in more modern clothing. They have a dry clutch, which would be one weak point, especially if doing loader work.

DBK1 · 03-03-2021 11:09pm

TheClubMan wrote: »

What are people's experiences with New Holland 6635 tractors? Look to be a good stockman's tractor with no electrics. Thinking of purchasing one I have my eye on

They definitely are a good stock mans tractor. They’re basically a fiat painted blue, L85 was the Fiat model of the same tractor but they were just an 88-94 fiat dressed up!

They’ve the 3.9 litre 85hp iveco (Fiat) engine which is almost bomb proof. It’s the same engine that was in the 80-90 Fiats and continued through to the TL series until the change to TLA. Some lads thought the 6635 was a bit under powered compared to a 7635 (95hp) but they are the exact same tractor with the 6635 just turned down a bit so there would be no problem tuning it up if you thought you needed a bit more power but as a yard or feeding tractor it wouldn’t be necessary.

I never owned a 6635 but have a TL90 with about 10k hours on it and has a lot of heavy work done for a tractor of its size and it’s still running perfectly and has never let me down. I can’t see any reason why it won’t do another 10k!

The main problem you might have with a 6635 would be the standard Fiat issue of clutch wear, especially if it’s a loader tractor. As far as I know there was no power shuttle option on the 6635’s, or if there was there definitely wasn’t too many specced that way. Same with dual power, it was an option but not many lads payed the few pound extra to get it so there’s only an odd few around with it. So mainly you have a dry clutch with the forward reverse on its own gear lever to the left of the seat. If there’s a loader that can be hard on the clutch but they are simple enough to split to replace so I wouldn’t let that turn me off buying one.

They’ve a nice enough cab too for a tractor if it’s size, spacious and comfortable if you’ve a decent seat in it. They’re very nimble in a yard and have great manoeuvrability, you’d turn it on a six pence, one of the best of all the 4 wheel drives in that regard.

They wouldn’t be the heaviest on the back end so if it has a loader then a weight block would be better to have.

Depending on age and condition they’d be making anything from around €13k up to maybe €20k plus for a low hours clean one with a quickie loader. If you were to keep it clean and tidy I can’t see it losing value over the years. Like a 390 they are at a price level now where they won’t drop any lower as long as it’s minded so in my opinion it would be a good investment.

All in all if it’s within your budget I’d consider it a good buy and best of luck with it if you do decide to go ahead with it.

Grueller · 03-03-2021 11:15pm

maidhc wrote: »

How does a having mechanical load sensing affect the height the arms raise to?

It seems to me that a new “heavy” 120 hp tractor with a loader is the bones of 100k. That’s half the price, and if genuine is easily worth 10 or 15k more than a rough item. You could buy a tractor for 30k, one backend problem and a set of tyres and where are you?

Dont know how it affects the lift height but trust me, it does. I have driven several maxxums ts115a and t6030s. Any with a manual lift were shocking poor on the lift height.

Robson99 · 03-03-2021 11:15pm

DBK1 wrote: »

They definitely are a good stock mans tractor. They’re basically a fiat painted blue, L85 was the Fiat model of the same tractor but they were just an 88-94 fiat dressed up!

They’ve the 3.9 litre 85hp iveco (Fiat) engine which is almost bomb proof. It’s the same engine that was in the 80-90 Fiats and continued through to the TL series until the change to TLA. Some lads thought the 6635 was a bit under powered compared to a 7635 (95hp) but they are the exact same tractor with the 6635 just turned down a bit so there would be no problem tuning it up if you thought you needed a bit more power but as a yard or feeding tractor it wouldn’t be necessary.

I never owned a 6635 but have a TL90 with about 10k hours on it and has a lot of heavy work done for a tractor of its size and it’s still running perfectly and has never let me down. I can’t see any reason why it won’t do another 10k!

The main problem you might have with a 6635 would be the standard Fiat issue of clutch wear, especially if it’s a loader tractor. As far as I know there was no power shuttle option on the 6635’s, or if there was there definitely wasn’t too many specced that way. Same with dual power, it was an option but not many lads payed the few pound extra to get it so there’s only an odd few around with it. So mainly you have a dry clutch with the forward reverse on its own gear lever to the left of the seat. If there’s a loader that can be hard on the clutch but they are simple enough to split to replace so I wouldn’t let that turn me off buying one.

They’ve a nice enough cab too for a tractor if it’s size, spacious and comfortable if you’ve a decent seat in it. They’re very nimble in a yard and have great manoeuvrability, you’d turn it on a six pence, one of the best of all the 4 wheel drives in that regard.

They wouldn’t be the heaviest on the back end so if it has a loader then a weight block would be better to have.

Depending on age and condition they’d be making anything from around €13k up to maybe €20k plus for a low hours clean one with a quickie loader. If you were to keep it clean and tidy I can’t see it losing value over the years. Like a 390 they are at a price level now where they won’t drop any lower as long as it’s minded so in my opinion it would be a good investment.

All in all if it’s within your budget I’d consider it a good buy and best of luck with it if you do decide to go ahead with it.

Are the 7635 much bigger size wise and are they as nimble around the yard ?
You will pay 18 - 20k for a good clean 6635 even without a loader.

DBK1 · 03-03-2021 11:51pm

Robson99 wrote: »

Are the 7635 much bigger size wise and are they as nimble around the yard ?
You will pay 18 - 20k for a good clean 6635 even without a loader.

No difference in size or weight so it would be the same.

Yea they probably would comfortably make that money. I know of one in a dealers yard and I think he’s looking around mid €20’s for it but it is immaculate and he’d have a good reputation for clean tractors, bordering on OCD with them nearly!

Grueller · 04-03-2021 9:15am

DBK1 wrote: »

No difference in size or weight so it would be the same.

Yea they probably would comfortably make that money. I know of one in a dealers yard and I think he’s looking around mid €20’s for it but it is immaculate and he’d have a good reputation for clean tractors, bordering on OCD with them nearly!

Coyles?

DBK1 · 04-03-2021 9:23am

Grueller wrote: »

Coyles?

McHughs in Galway.

funkey_monkey · 04-03-2021 2:54pm

DBK1 wrote: »

McHughs in Galway.

That was first name that came into my head.
Do they refurbish everything that they take or what is their modus operandi? Everything they have looks like it is ready for a Classic Tractor photoshoot.

Second hand tractors are gone expensive

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