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Nissan Leaf battery upgrade

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    #92
    SteM
    Registered Users Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭SteM


    You seem very aggressive today mad_lad, hope everything is okay with you.


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    #93
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SteM wrote: »
    You seem very aggressive today mad_lad, hope everything is okay with you.

    Aggressive ? that's unfair because all I have shown here is concern that another Boards.ie member might get screwed out of their hard earned cash while the OP walks, bear in mind, a member with only 24 posts, probably all of them on this thread.

    Seems you're more concerned about a new member who wants to convince boards.ie members take a huge risk. Will you compensate them if it something goes wrong and the OP walks ?


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    #94
    ewj1978
    Registered Users Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭ewj1978


    So far some posters have questioned the OP. Some in what I'd consider an aggressive way with quite frankly outrageous accusations of dodgy cells etc..

    Personally agree with his approach of how to deal with prospective customers. Meet face to face, discuss the project.
    If you or any prospective customer doesn't like it, then walk away.
    At no time has he said give me 7k and then we'll meet.

    I wish the OP the best. A small country like ours needs some homegrown upgrade route.


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    #95
    SteM
    Registered Users Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭SteM


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Aggressive ? that's unfair because all I have shown here is concern that another Boards.ie member might get screwed out of their hard earned cash while the OP walks, bear in mind, a member with only 24 posts, probably all of them on this thread.

    Seems you're more concerned about a new member who wants to convince boards.ie members take a huge risk. Will you compensate them if it something goes wrong and the OP walks ?

    I think that any boards member that owns a Nissan Leaf will do their own checks before they shell out 7k+ to have their battery upgraded. I'm more concerned about you at the moment, not the OP.


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    #96
    SlowBlowin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    SteM wrote: »
    I think that any boards member that owns a Nissan Leaf will do their own checks before they shell out 7k+ to have their battery upgraded..

    How if he wont post the details and will only discuss face to face ?


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    #97
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There's no one asking a multinational to prove themselves here but you can't expect someone to show up out of the blue with 24 posts and expect Boards.ie members just to swallow this battery upgrade and not question it or ask the OP for evidence or proof of success ? Proof of cell source, i.e the original supplier, the history of the cells, surely this is not too much to ask if someone was handing over 7-10K and taking all the risk ?

    So what would you say to a boards.ie member here if they shelled out their hard earned and got burned ?

    Is he looking for cash up front ?

    Asking to provide company details, length of time in business etc isn't at all unfair or unusual considering the circumstances, we know absolutely nothing about this guy or his business, history etc.




    All are valuable questions. You should put them in a single post so someone can ask when they go visit him to buy the service.


    My point stands, answering them on a forum is pointless


    Especially with some of the posters on here, some dont even own electric cars but have little else to be doing.


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    #98
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    How if he wont post the details and will only discuss face to face ?


    Do you own a Leaf?


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    #99
    SlowBlowin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Do you own a Leaf?

    No but the wife has a diesel Corsa that we want to change and there is a chap in the village that is selling an old Leaf. I discussed it with her several months ago and shes game to buy an old leaf and fit a replacement battery.

    I was looking at the Nissan replacement, then this thread popped up.

    Having spent a lot of money on the batteries that power my house, I know how careful you must be.

    The attraction for me of a Leaf is that the slow charge rate suits my home renewable system, and she never uses the car for more that 30 or 40k.

    Do you still have the Civic, or did you get the i3 ?


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    #100
    SlowBlowin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Do you own a Leaf?

    I want to know about the module constrruction because LG Chem say here:

    https://www.lgchem.com/product/PD00000148

    That the cell must not touch a metalic surface, and must be insulated. This is why in the Chevy Bolt design in Unkel's video (post number 75) the same cell is shown insulated as per LGs instructions.

    In the OP's first post he posted a picture and this "seems" to show the pouches jammed in a metal cage, I could well be wrong so I asked.

    pouch.jpg

    So although it offends so many here, including MODs, I want to know how the module is constructed, the source of the cells etc. its what a logical person would do before purchase. And no, unlike others, I dont see discussing it face to face in Dublin with 7K in my pocket is a good idea.


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    #101
    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    So although it offends so many here, including MODs, I want to know how the module is constructed, the source of the cells etc. its what a logical person would do before purchase. And no, unlike others, I dont see discussing it face to face in Dublin with 7K in my pocket is a good idea.

    And the reality is that the vast majority of people would have no idea what questions to ask in a face to face discussion so thats pointless.

    If it cant be answered in a public forum where there is some collective knowledge then alarm bells are ringing for me too.

    We absolutely need a service like this but it needs to have a reputation behind it.


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    #102
    SlowBlowin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    KCross wrote: »
    And the reality is that the vast majority of people would have no idea what questions to ask in a face to face discussion so thats pointless.

    If it cant be answered in a public forum where there is some collective knowledge then alarm bells are ringing for me too.

    We absolutely need a service like this but it needs to have a reputation behind it.

    Absolutely, I think its a great project..

    I dont think the some realise how important battery construction is, GM packed those same cells in as much as they could for the Bolt, maybe thats what the OP has done too, but we will never know until we turn up with the 7K.


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    #103
    pszemo
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭pszemo


    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    I want to know about the module constrruction because LG Chem say here:

    https://www.lgchem.com/product/PD00000148

    That the cell must not touch a metalic surface, and must be insulated. This is why in the Chevy Bolt design in Unkel's video (post number 75) the same cell is shown insulated as per LGs instructions.

    In the OP's first post he posted a picture and this "seems" to show the pouches jammed in a metal cage, I could well be wrong so I asked.

    pouch.jpg

    So although it offends so many here, including MODs, I want to know how the module is constructed, the source of the cells etc. its what a logical person would do before purchase. And no, unlike others, I dont see discussing it face to face in Dublin with 7K in my pocket is a good idea.
    Construction of module is 2 in series and 2 in parallel. You are right, cells are conductive on the edges and they need to be isolated from the body. If there is issue with isolation the car won't start. So I have good isolation between metal frame and cell. Give me few weeks and I will make videos to prove my project. I don't want any money up front. When will be save we can have a test drive on my car and have a chat. If anyone need my phone number send me Pm. Thanks


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    #104
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 64,897 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    pszemo wrote: »
    Give me few weeks and I will make videos to prove my project.

    That would be great! As ewj1978 said, we need a lot more independent workshops that can provide services for EVs. For sure it's a gap in the market, begging to be filled.

    How about a Tesla independent specialist? Even in far more progressive countries than Ireland like the Netherlands, and dare I say it, the USA, these are thin on the ground, nearly non-existent still. But to give an example, Tesla charges about €2-3k to replace the screen / computer unit, a common fault on older Teslas out of warranty. Independents in NL charge about €600 for the same job.


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    #105
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    I want to know about the module constrruction because LG Chem say here:

    https://www.lgchem.com/product/PD00000148

    That the cell must not touch a metalic surface, and must be insulated. This is why in the Chevy Bolt design in Unkel's video (post number 75) the same cell is shown insulated as per LGs instructions.

    In the OP's first post he posted a picture and this "seems" to show the pouches jammed in a metal cage, I could well be wrong so I asked.

    pouch.jpg

    So although it offends so many here, including MODs, I want to know how the module is constructed, the source of the cells etc. its what a logical person would do before purchase. And no, unlike others, I dont see discussing it face to face in Dublin with 7K in my pocket is a good idea.

    So no you don’t

    So you won’t ever need this service in first place


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    #106
    Pkiernan
    Registered Users Posts: 4,315 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    What certification comes with this modification?

    How is it tested for safety?


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    #107
    SlowBlowin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    So no you don’t

    So you won’t ever need this service in first place

    I hate explaining simple things to you:

    If you have an old Nissan (2011-2012) and the battery degrades to a level that means the car no longer fits your driven pattern then you will do one of two things:

    1. Upgrade the battery and use a service like the OPs.
    2. Sell the car and buy a new EV.

    It seems the majority of owners are selling, meaning the second user market (for people who currently dont own a Leaf) is a big market. I know its not as simple as your explanation but its what is happening.

    The most important thing is the construction of the battery, and the OP has said hes going to document that now and upload the details.


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    #108
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    SlowBlowin wrote: »
    I hate explaining simple things to you:

    If you have an old Nissan (2011-2012) and the battery degrades to a level that means the car no longer fits your driven pattern then you will do one of two things:

    1. Upgrade the battery and use a service like the OPs.
    2. Sell the car and buy a new EV.

    It seems the majority of owners are selling, meaning the second user market (for people who currently dont own a Leaf) is a big market. I know its not as simple as your explanation but its what is happening.

    The most important thing is the construction of the battery, and the OP has said hes going to document that now and upload the details.


    If I was the OP I wouldn't. You dont own a Leaf, from memory you have been on here trolling electric cars before with no intention of every buying.....


    I know what the market is for battery refurb, no need to explain.



    Just saying he is wasting his time putting more detaisl on a forum like this because of posters like you. Better off spending his time in the dedicated electric facebook forums where people cant hide behind a username



    OP if you want a few tips on the facebook forums PM me direct. Best to go to them as you are talking to people who actually own the car and might have interest in buying your services


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    #109
    SlowBlowin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    pszemo wrote: »
    Hi everyone
    My upgrade is for everyone with Nissan Leaf from 2011 to 2016 who wants to give a second life to his car.
    I'm offering replacement your old battery modules with brand new LG Chem cells.
    Estimated range of 43 kwh
    Nissan Leaf :
    2011 230 km up to 270 km
    2013 250 km up to 290 km
    2016 260 km up to 300 km
    Estimated range of 34 kwh
    Nissan Leaf:
    2011 180km
    2013 190km
    2016 200 km
    Every car will show on the dashboard real range.
    If you have any questions don't hesitate to contact me.

    As a side note there are several people on this thread (including myself) who would also be interested in buying the old modules from you at the right price.


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    #110
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    So no you don’t

    So you won’t ever need this service in first place

    What's that got to do with the price of Beer ?

    So he can't question this business ethics of a brand new boards member appearing out of the Blue ? can't give his business name, can't provide anything other than "here I am, give me your money and I'll tell you when you get here"

    There are many Leaf owners who won't know the questions to ask.

    Why doesn't the OP use Boards.ie as an opportunity to install a battery or two for free and let these boards members continually report on the cars progress ? using leaf spy of course so we can have hard data. If the OP did something like this I would say good for him.

    Sure it would be at cost to him but the customer wouldn't be taking all the risk and the benefits of a battery upgrade that works ( in the long term )could see the OP make many times that back with good publicity.


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    #111
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What's that got to do with the price of Beer ?

    So he can't question this business ethics of a brand new boards member appearing out of the Blue ? can't give his business name, can't provide anything other than "here I am, give me your money and I'll tell you when you get here"

    There are many Leaf owners who won't know the questions to ask.

    Why doesn't the OP use Boards.ie as an opportunity to install a battery or two for free and let these boards members continually report on the cars progress ? using leaf spy of course so we can have hard data. If the OP did something like this I would say good for him.

    Sure it would be at cost to him but the customer wouldn't be taking all the risk and the benefits of a battery upgrade that works ( in the long term )could see the OP make many times that back with good publicity.


    Great, if you want to make sure boards user know what to ask why not put up a post with the list of questions to ask....


    Then they can ask them when they contact the OP


    I have seen for years people complaining because no battery upgrades available, as soon as someone is doing it we have pages of people trying to shoot him down.



    All I am saying is he/she should go direct to his customer base on facebook groups. Not on a forum where you have people who have zero interest in ever buying his services but will have no problem shooting him down.....turning away potential customer.


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    #112
    SlowBlowin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Great, if you want to make sure boards user know what to ask why not put up a post with the list of questions to ask....


    Then they can ask them when they contact the OP


    I have seen for years people complaining because no battery upgrades available, as soon as someone is doing it we have pages of people trying to shoot him down.



    All I am saying is he/she should go direct to his customer base on facebook groups. Not on a forum where you have people who have zero interest in ever buying his services but will have no problem shooting him down.....turning away potential customer.

    Your opinion/understanding - not reality.


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    #113
    Silent Running
    Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Silent Running


    KCross wrote: »

    We absolutely need a service like this but it needs to have a reputation behind it.

    How many companies in Ireland would have an established reputation in this field?

    It's a bit like a field where you need experience to get a job, but need to get a job to get experience.

    If I were in the market for this service, I'd proceed carefully. But I respect that the OP doesn't want to expose his business model here.

    I don't ever see myself using this service, but I wish the OP well.

    We need movement in this area if EVs are to be accepted as a second hand alternative.


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    #114
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Great, if you want to make sure boards user know what to ask why not put up a post with the list of questions to ask....

    Then they can ask them when they contact the OP

    I have seen for years people complaining because no battery upgrades available, as soon as someone is doing it we have pages of people trying to shoot him down.

    All I am saying is he/she should go direct to his customer base on facebook groups. Not on a forum where you have people who have zero interest in ever buying his services but will have no problem shooting him down.....turning away potential customer.

    So let me get this right, you are "telling" "me" what I should or shouldn't do or ask on a public forum ? have I got that correct ?

    What has it got to do with you ? and why are you and others so willing to defend so much a brand new boards.ie member with absolutely no proof his battery upgrades work ? no company name, absolutely nothing about him or his company what so ever ?

    Not everyone is on Facebook, I'm certainly not.

    Remember, the OP came on boards.ie and he should expect this sort of criticism after all, nothing to prove anything.

    How about it OP, are you willing to take a hit and install one or 2 battery upgrades for free ? and maybe another few at half price to boards.ie members so we can all monitor the progress of your battery upgrade ? is that really that unfair to ask ?

    It's no good if this is offered to someone who is not going to give regular updates here on boards or someone who isn't tech savvy.

    So Shefwedfan, let me see if I have this right, you want everyone to give the OP a big pat on the back, a big well done for offering battery upgrades and just let some random unsuspecting poor sod hand over their cash and if it doesn't work out then too bad for the customer ?

    You'd probably blame the customer too if it didn't work out......


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    #115
    Turbohymac
    Registered Users Posts: 472 ✭✭Turbohymac


    Its starting to show the true costs of ownership of an ev..circa 7k to replace/upgrade battery pack on a 2011 /12 nissan leaf.. I'm not knocking the op for offering his product..but theres 2011 and 12 leafs for sale by main nissan dealerships for 6 to 8k ..it doesn't make much sense to spend 7k on a vehicle that's only worth equal..also even a 20 year old fossil fuelled vehicle wouldn't required such an expensive repair..
    Gearbox 600..engine 1500.. long way short of 7k.. people on boards regularly moan about the difference in garage costs to get a clutch or set of brake pads and discs replaced for a few hundred euros...
    I would think anyone that needs to replace a battery pack on a 2012 or older leaf would be better off scrapping as replacing the battery pack would seem an un economic repair..
    Not knocking anyone with an ev ..but given the initial purchase cost..cost of charges ..basic maintenance and then 7 k at 8 years old.. that's going to be a costly car by its ninth year..


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    #116
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So let me get this right, you are "telling" "me" what I should or shouldn't do or ask on a public forum ? have I got that correct ?

    What has it got to do with you ? and why are you and others so willing to defend so much a brand new boards.ie member with absolutely no proof his battery upgrades work ? no company name, absolutely nothing about him or his company what so ever ?

    Not everyone is on Facebook, I'm certainly not.

    Remember, the OP came on boards.ie and he should expect this sort of criticism after all, nothing to prove anything.

    How about it OP, are you willing to take a hit and install one or 2 battery upgrades for free ? and maybe another few at half price to boards.ie members so we can all monitor the progress of your battery upgrade ? is that really that unfair to ask ?

    It's no good if this is offered to someone who is not going to give regular updates here on boards or someone who isn't tech savvy.

    So Shefwedfan, let me see if I have this right, you want everyone to give the OP a big pat on the back, a big well done for offering battery upgrades and just let some random unsuspecting poor sod hand over their cash and if it doesn't work out then too bad for the customer ?

    You'd probably blame the customer too if it didn't work out......

    I’m not telling you what to do, you said you wanted to help potential customer, I just thought it might be useful for you to post those question

    I am just offering the OP some advice, I work in sales and I know the last place you want to be discussing your services is on a public forum. You could be curing cancer and people would still find fault

    As per my post, go straight to your potential customer base and Leaf has a number of user groups on Facebook. Also you talk to a real person which means you won’t get the trolls you have on here, not saying you are one Mad-lad

    I wouldn’t be taking a hit on boards, take a hit on Facebook or part of one of the groups. Boards is good but should not be part of a business model


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    #117
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Turbohymac wrote: »
    Its starting to show the true costs of ownership of an ev..circa 7k to replace/upgrade battery pack on a 2011 /12 nissan leaf.. I'm not knocking the op for offering his product..but theres 2011 and 12 leafs for sale by main nissan dealerships for 6 to 8k ..it doesn't make much sense to spend 7k on a vehicle that's only worth equal..also even a 20 year old fossil fuelled vehicle wouldn't required such an expensive repair..
    Gearbox 600..engine 1500.. long way short of 7k.. people on boards regularly moan about the difference in garage costs to get a clutch or set of brake pads and discs replaced for a few hundred euros...
    I would think anyone that needs to replace a battery pack on a 2012 or older leaf would be better off scrapping as replacing the battery pack would seem an un economic repair..
    Not knocking anyone with an ev ..but given the initial purchase cost..cost of charges ..basic maintenance and then 7 k at 8 years old.. that's going to be a costly car by its ninth year..

    I believe the higher spec battery is 9 K, but for a low mileage driver you're correct, this doesn't make sense, however for a high mileage driver like myself who drives 30,000 Kms+ it just might, rather than spend the money on a brand new 300+ Km EV I could upgrade if I was already a Leaf owner or buy the cheapest car I can find, remember the existing battery is already worth money.

    Those driving higher mileage stand to save even more, I would save around 1800-2K a year even if I were paying for the cost of electricity myself. Then less maintenance etc.

    However the real issue here in this thread is the sheer risk to the buyer.


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    #118
    Turbohymac
    Registered Users Posts: 472 ✭✭Turbohymac


    Never thought we'd agree ..
    True words mad lad ..
    Every vehicle has running costs ..but those early leafs seem to be a write off..
    Who knows what ionics will be like either in 6 years time..a new broom and all that...


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    #119
    KCross
    Registered Users Posts: 12,076 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Turbohymac wrote: »
    Its starting to show the true costs of ownership of an ev..circa 7k to replace/upgrade battery pack on a 2011 /12 nissan leaf.. I'm not knocking the op for offering his product..but theres 2011 and 12 leafs for sale by main nissan dealerships for 6 to 8k ..it doesn't make much sense to spend 7k on a vehicle that's only worth equal..also even a 20 year old fossil fuelled vehicle wouldn't required such an expensive repair..
    Gearbox 600..engine 1500.. long way short of 7k.. people on boards regularly moan about the difference in garage costs to get a clutch or set of brake pads and discs replaced for a few hundred euros...
    I would think anyone that needs to replace a battery pack on a 2012 or older leaf would be better off scrapping as replacing the battery pack would seem an un economic repair..
    Not knocking anyone with an ev ..but given the initial purchase cost..cost of charges ..basic maintenance and then 7 k at 8 years old.. that's going to be a costly car by its ninth year..

    You’re right, it’s not worth €7k on a <€7k worth car. It would be mad money to spend.

    Having said that the discount for returning the old battery hasn’t been factored into that price so it will be less than that and the €7k is for an upgrade, not like for like.

    What is really needed though are refurbished batteries, not new ones in an old car. Your ICE example of €1500 for an engine would be for a refurbished one. The same is possible for an EV.


    Nissan said they were offering this for a fraction of the cost.... see my earlier post above... it doesn’t appear it has hit Ireland yet.


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    #120
    SlowBlowin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    You can buy Leafs sub 5K but at this price they invariably have a very weak battery making replacement essential.

    Just from an environmental point of view it would be great to see these cars having a new lease of life, but as you say it will be purely driven by economics.

    Fenix "say" they are launching soon, and it will be really interesting to see how their service works out if it ever appears:

    https://fenix.systems/leafbattery

    Non technical drivers see a battery as the equivalent to a tank of fuel, but its so much more complex and potentiality dangerous. Most early model Leaf owners already know that their original battery was hampered by its construction (poor thermal management etc) and the savvy will pay attention to this when looking at a replacement pack. Given this point I think its important for anyone offering a replacement to show its a well constructed replacement.

    If the OP has a good, safe solution and can show it hes onto a winner ..


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    #121
    slave1
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Turbohymac wrote: »
    .
    Not knocking anyone with an ev ..but given the initial purchase cost..cost of charges ..basic maintenance and then 7 k at 8 years old.. that's going to be a costly car by its ninth year..

    But the battery will not need to be replaced anywhere near it's ninth year, mine is now 4 years old at battery at 95% with nearly 70k kms on the clock and has not cost me a cent apart from two new tyres and four services (€77 a pop), car perfect in every way and still has two of it's original tyres on the rear.
    I estimate that this car will need it's battery replaced in about 10-12yrs time but that's only if we want to maintain a circa 100km range, if we are happy as a runner around the town then we can keep it as it for another 5yrs+.
    By then battery replacement will have come down in price considerably.

    So in summary, we are looking to replace our Leaf battery after around 16years+ and by then it will be probably half current cost, nowhere near a costly car.

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