How to rid the world of protesters ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-11-2018 10:18pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Fair enough but a woman in her bra and knickers in November reeks looking for attention. They also don't know what happen at the trial and I very much doubt the jury were swayed by a thong but the media ran with it and women's rights activists ran with it and made a complete arse of themselves in the process.

Not familiar with the specific incident, but if a protest is not attracting attention, then something's gone wrong with the protest.

ToddyDoody · 18-11-2018 10:24pm

In UCD they built a big lake to fill in space to stop students protesting.
I'm not sure if the same idea is behind the reflecting pool in Washington DC.
Some sort of water feature seems to be the way to go.

The Rape of Lucretia · 18-11-2018 10:27pm

ToddyDoody wrote: »

In UCD they built a big lake to fill in space to stop students protesting.
I'm not sure if the same idea is behind the reflecting pool in Washington DC.
Some sort of water feature seems to be the way to go.

Yes. UCD is completely devoid of open spaces all right. Its why they they didnt build any car parks, sports facilities, or leave any space between the buildings.

batgoat · 18-11-2018 10:42pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Fair enough but a woman in her bra and knickers in November reeks looking for attention. They also don't know what happen at the trial and I very much doubt the jury were swayed by a thong but the media ran with it and women's rights activists ran with it and made a complete arse of themselves in the process.

The issue that the case highlighted was the highly inappropriate way in which the complainant treated and includes how the defence plays on rape myths. Eg that her clothing shows that she wants to have sex. So you are misrepresenting the concerns that were raised as a result...

Stephen15 · 18-11-2018 10:46pm

Brian? wrote: »

Here’s a challenge: organise an anti immigration, anti Islam or anti refugee protest. See who shows up.

Or you can save yourself the time and see who shows up at previous protests of this type. Notice anything about them?

Anyone who has done has been ended up with a life of misery look at Geert Wilders for example. His life is under threat from Islamic savages and is under 24/7 protection. Left wings thugs would shout abuse at you all for exercising your democratic right.

There is a growing backlash against mass immigration even here in Ireland look at the protests in Wicklow against turning a local hotel into a direct provision centre and in Lisdoonvarna.

The Bishop Basher · 18-11-2018 10:58pm

The crazies are already among us..

They're waiting for instruction from twitter on the next cause for outrage.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 19-11-2018 12:52am

Rennaws wrote: »

The crazies are already among us..

They're waiting for instruction from twitter on the next cause for outrage.

No, that's just you feeding your confirmation bias!

Gimme A Pound · 19-11-2018 4:16am

Rennaws wrote: »

The crazies are already among us..

They're waiting for instruction from twitter on the next cause for outrage.

The crazies aren't just on the left though. The far left has become absolutely ruined by maniacs but that doesn't legitimise or mitigate the mania on the other side.

The Bishop Basher · 19-11-2018 6:01am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

No, that's just you feeding your confirmation bias!

Are you suggesting there won’t be another “cause” along shortly to satisfy the mobs quest for drama, finger pointing and outrage ?

History would indicate otherwise. We’re already seeing it with this #himtoo nonsense..

And you seem so completely oblivious to the fact that as humans we’re all affected by confirmation bias to some extent.

None of us are unique in that respect.

I haven’t been on FB, Instagram or Twitter for the last 4 years in part because I’m so aware of the confirmation bias when using these social media platforms. I follow multiple news outlets for the same reason although they’ve all become one of the same at this stage.

Anyway, the only difference I can see is that I'm actually aware of it enough not to go around wagging my finger at others for it in the manner in which you’re doing.

In my biased experience, that kind of hypocrisy and lack of self awareness appears to be very much the reserve of the left..

The Bishop Basher · 19-11-2018 6:06am

Marie Noisy Volleyball wrote: »

The crazies aren't just on the left though. The far left has become absolutely ruined by maniacs but that doesn't legitimise or mitigate the mania on the other side.

Agreed. There will always be extremes on both sides but just now the left seem to have both the media and the government backing them and political correctness is very much the main stream ideology.

I fluckin hate political correctness.

I consider the left as a far greater risk to my personal freedoms just now then I do any right leaning movement. I know I’m not alone in that..

19-11-2018 6:52am

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Did you pay your water tax this year?... oh wait!

no.of course not

clean water is free now because of our heroes

theres no cost to the state at all in providing this service and as a citizen there is definitely no way in which that service was paid for from other sources or in other services not provided

no sir. definitely not.

ðŸ™„

Graces7 · 19-11-2018 8:55am

People these days seem bored and unable to occupy spare time productively? We were always far too busy getting food etc to go on demos...

Maybe a spin off from some aspects of the welfare state? Just a thought..

circadian · 19-11-2018 9:00am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I am sick of them. Protests about everything these days. By people so deluded they think they are making a difference. Just go home. Snowflakes are a serious part of the problem........

Hi there Donnie. I'm guessing the job as president isn't quite what you thought it would be. Don't worry, I'm sure your buddies will figure a way out to make baton charging these pesky protesters perfectly legal and above board.

Just sit tight and enjoy your fillet o fish power meal and wash it down with that refreshing diet coke.

RobbingBandit · 19-11-2018 9:09am

My noble friend surely understands the mob exists to cause anarchy so that the senate can carry out business for the benefit of the republic. Of course fiends will always attempt to buy influence using these dogs to carry out their own personal business and when not sanctioned will be punished.

Spon Farmer · 19-11-2018 9:17am

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you really want a world where the "powers that be" are in total control and beyond reproach, and no one is allowed to say anything to the contrary!
Go to North Korea, you'll feel right at home there.

Yes, I'm tired of not being able to decide what watch on Netflix.:(

dr.fuzzenstein · 19-11-2018 10:24am

Well, I'd rather have the left than the right.
The left will demonstrate for 17 gender pronouns for broccoli while the right are usually a bunch of skinheads shouting "Heil Hitler" and chasing any dark skinned people they come across.
I know which I will prefer.
It will be tough on some, all this tolerance for gays, women, brown people, other religions and being environmentally aware, but it's better than hatred and bigotry, I couldn't devote my time to the auld bigotry meself, just don't have the time for it

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 19-11-2018 10:37am

Rennaws wrote: »

Are you suggesting there won’t be another “cause” along shortly to satisfy the mobs quest for drama, finger pointing and outrage ?

History would indicate otherwise. We’re already seeing it with this #himtoo nonsense..

And you seem so completely oblivious to the fact that as humans we’re all affected by confirmation bias to some extent.

None of us are unique in that respect.

I haven’t been on FB, Instagram or Twitter for the last 4 years in part because I’m so aware of the confirmation bias when using these social media platforms. I follow multiple news outlets for the same reason although they’ve all become one of the same at this stage.

Anyway, the only difference I can see is that I'm actually aware of it enough not to go around wagging my finger at others for it in the manner in which you’re doing.

In my biased experience, that kind of hypocrisy and lack of self awareness appears to be very much the reserve of the left..

You haven't been in Twitter in four years, and yet you know exactly what seems be there... Interesting.

And what do you mean by 'the left'? Everyone left of your stance? Everyone left of center? Everyone left of moderate left?

FTA69 · 19-11-2018 10:51am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Personally I find that completely amazing. As soon as women, gays or ethnic/religious minorities highlight discrimination against them, up spring groups of white blokes who start screaming "what about me!!!!!"
Well, what about you. You're a male of the right religion and skin colour and you happen to be born in the global top 10%, you have all the possible advantages and the deck is stacked heavily in your favour.
You need to accept that the world isn't always about you and you alone.

Not always though. There are working class boys who are white who are doing badly at school, have little employment opportunity etc. I have mates in the midlands of England who have degrees but the only jobs they can get are zero hours, minimum wage sh*t in warehouses while they live at home.

Do black people and women etc face specific problems. Yes of course. Does that mean that all straight white men are living the high life? Does it b*llocks. This privilege theory craic is one of the most annoying things to emerge in recent years.

The Bishop Basher · 19-11-2018 10:55am

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The left will demonstrate for 17 gender pronouns for broccoli while the right are usually a bunch of skinheads shouting "Heil Hitler" and chasing any dark skinned people they come across.
I know which I will prefer.

I'd prefer somewhere in the middle where people are just left to be themselves without interference by a mob from either side on some form of "righteous" crusade..

Plumbthedepths · 19-11-2018 10:56am

Cool initials, T.R.O.L. lots of responses here.

The Bishop Basher · 19-11-2018 11:04am

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

You haven't been in Twitter in four years, and yet you know exactly what seems be there... Interesting.

Believe me, don't believe me whatever, i don't care.

If your accusing me of lying because I referred to #himtoo, I actually read about that on here somewhere.

Unfortunately this moronic hashtag nonsense does make it outside the twitter bubble.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

And what do you mean by 'the left'? Everyone left of your stance? Everyone left of center? Everyone left of moderate left?

The hashtag herd..

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 19-11-2018 2:58pm

Rennaws wrote: »

Believe me, don't believe me whatever, i don't care.

If your accusing me of lying because I referred to #himtoo, I actually read about that on here somewhere.

Unfortunately this moronic hashtag nonsense does make it outside the twitter bubble.

The hashtag herd..

I'm accusing you of confirmation bias. Your last two replies to me have enforced my belief

And you are getting extremely wound up about things for someone who doesn't care.

As for your definition of "left" - "the hastag herd"...? Think you need to review that one. Politically speaking and etymologically speaking.

The Bishop Basher · 19-11-2018 8:37pm

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I'm accusing you of confirmation bias. Your last two replies to me have enforced my belief

And you are getting extremely wound up about things for someone who doesn't care.

As for your definition of "left" - "the hastag herd"...? Think you need to review that one. Politically speaking and etymologically speaking.

Accuse me of whatever you like. I said I don’t care whether you believe me or not.

And I don’t.

As for my definition of left, well we’re not going to agree so let’s not go down that rat hole..

batgoat · 19-11-2018 8:53pm

Rennaws wrote: »

Accuse me of whatever you like. I said I don’t care whether you believe me or not.

And I don’t.

As for my definition of left, well we’re not going to agree so let’s not go down that rat hole..

You do realise that it was the left that hold a large degree of the responsibility for Ireland's two incredibly historical referendums as of late.... So call them a hashtag herd if you wish but they've brought about positive change in this nation.

The Bishop Basher · 19-11-2018 9:04pm

batgoat wrote: »

You do realise that it was the left that hold a large degree of the responsibility for Ireland's two incredibly historical referendums as of late.... So call them a hashtag herd if you wish but they've brought about positive change in this nation.

I think you do both of those campaigns a major disservice by aligning them to some of the nonsense that’s being spouted on social media lately.

As for the left claiming any victory, they were referendums therefore it was down to the people who voted on the day and they did so with their conscience regardless of any right or left leanings.

The people won on both occasions.. not the left.

batgoat · 19-11-2018 9:13pm

Rennaws wrote: »

I think you do both of those campaigns a major disservice by aligning them to some of the nonsense that’s being spouted on social media lately.

As for the left claiming any victory, they were referendums therefore it was down to the people who voted on the day and they did so with their conscience regardless of any right or left leanings.

The people won on both occasions.. not the left.

Did you miss all those public demonstrations on both of the issues that brought national attention to the issues and very much so influenced the referendums coming about. The large amount of campaigning on the issue was also primarily from the left. The organisations opposed in both instances tended to fall heavily towards the right.:rolleyes:

dr.fuzzenstein · 19-11-2018 9:40pm

Rennaws wrote: »

I think you do both of those campaigns a major disservice by aligning them to some of the nonsense that’s being spouted on social media lately.

As for the left claiming any victory, they were referendums therefore it was down to the people who voted on the day and they did so with their conscience regardless of any right or left leanings.

The people won on both occasions.. not the left.

And not the right either by your logic.

19-11-2018 9:40pm

batgoat wrote: »

Did you miss all those public demonstrations on both of the issues that brought national attention to the issues and very much so influenced the referendums coming about. The large amount of campaigning on the issue was also primarily from the left. The organisations opposed in both instances tended to fall heavily towards the right.:rolleyes:

But, but, but....it was the Government who called these referendums. And it’s Paul Murphy demanding the word “woman” be removed from the wording of the abortion bill, forgetting that only the female of the species can get pregnant!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 19-11-2018 9:56pm

Rennaws wrote: »

I think you do both of those campaigns a major disservice by aligning them to some of the nonsense that’s being spouted on social media lately.

That's not what he did - that's what YOU did when you defined everything politically left as the "hastag herd". And as for accuracy, it wasn't the socially conservative right who decided on change. Last I saw, they were campaigning for a no vote.

Or are we to believe that, by your standards, anything NOT "hashtag herd" is automatically right wing?

The Bishop Basher · 19-11-2018 11:44pm

batgoat wrote: »

Did you miss all those public demonstrations on both of the issues that brought national attention to the issues and very much so influenced the referendums coming about.

Look, the people voted as they saw fit. They didn't need you or any movement to tell them how to vote. In fact i remember a lot of people getting really hacked off at being preached at by the left and being told how to think and vote. The right were a non entity. Nobody took them at all seriously and they were a tiny minority.

The people voted in favour despite the crazies on the left screaming in their ears all the way to the ballot box. Despite them, not because of them and conflating #metoo, #himtoo and #whateverthe****elsetheythinkofnext with referendums as important as the SSM and Abortion referendums is doing them a major injustice imo.

Also worth nothing that the left didn't do so well in the presidential election where there was a strong right wing tone to that 23% swing in favour of Peter Casey.

People will vote for their own reasons and as they see fit, not how you see fit.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Or are we to believe that, by your standards, anything NOT "hashtag herd" is automatically right wing?

It can be whatever you want it to be. As i've said, we're not going to agree on this so let's not go there..

batgoat · 20-11-2018 12:24am

Rennaws wrote: »

Look, the people voted as they saw fit. They didn't need you or any movement to tell them how to vote. In fact i remember a lot of people getting really hacked off at being preached at by the left and being told how to think and vote. The right were a non entity. Nobody took them at all seriously and they were a tiny minority.

The people voted in favour despite the crazies on the left screaming in their ears all the way to the ballot box. Despite them, not because of them and conflating #metoo, #himtoo and #whateverthe****elsetheythinkofnext with referendums as important as the SSM and Abortion referendums is doing them a major injustice imo.

Also worth nothing that the left didn't do so well in the presidential election where there was a strong right wing tone to that 23% swing in favour of Peter Casey.

People will vote for their own reasons and as they see fit, not how you see fit.

It can be whatever you want it to be. As i've said, we're not going to agree on this so let's not go there..

You're rewriting history somewhat in relation to those referendums. The results were greatly related to the largescale campaigning and demonstrating that occurred.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-11-2018 12:53am

Rennaws wrote: »

Look, the people voted as they saw fit. They didn't need you or any movement to tell them how to vote. In fact i remember a lot of people getting really hacked off at being preached at by the left and being told how to think and vote. The right were a non entity. Nobody took them at all seriously and they were a tiny minority.

The people voted in favour despite the crazies on the left screaming in their ears all the way to the ballot box. Despite them, not because of them and conflating #metoo, #himtoo and #whateverthe****elsetheythinkofnext with referendums as important as the SSM and Abortion referendums is doing them a major injustice imo.

Also worth nothing that the left didn't do so well in the presidential election where there was a strong right wing tone to that 23% swing in favour of Peter Casey.

People will vote for their own reasons and as they see fit, not how you see fit.

It can be whatever you want it to be. As i've said, we're not going to agree on this so let's not go there..

It was your answer you suddenly don't seem to agree with, so I'm not surprised you don't want to go there. So be it.

Brian? · 20-11-2018 5:18am

Rennaws wrote: »

Look, the people voted as they saw fit. They didn't need you or any movement to tell them how to vote. In fact i remember a lot of people getting really hacked off at being preached at by the left and being told how to think and vote. The right were a non entity. Nobody took them at all seriously and they were a tiny minority.

The people voted in favour despite the crazies on the left screaming in their ears all the way to the ballot box. Despite them, not because of them and conflating #metoo, #himtoo and #whateverthe****elsetheythinkofnext with referendums as important as the SSM and Abortion referendums is doing them a major injustice imo.

Also worth nothing that the left didn't do so well in the presidential election where there was a strong right wing tone to that 23% swing in favour of Peter Casey.

People will vote for their own reasons and as they see fit, not how you see fit.

It can be whatever you want it to be. As i've said, we're not going to agree on this so let's not go there..

You’re tying yourself in knots here. The left didn’t do “so well” in the presidential election? Michael D won in a land slide.

You’re basically saying there no point in anyone campaigning for anything, people will simply make up their own minds. Which is completely untrue. There’s an entire industry built on guiding peoples opinions.

Rubberchikken · 20-11-2018 6:07am

I dont think snowflakes are to blame for everything

Lots of people want what they cant afford. Many whinge about air quality while driving their kids to school in a hugh gas guzzling monstrosity that they can barely manage to drive.

Some just love showing up at whatever protest is the latest one - like to be seen im guessing.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-11-2018 6:24am

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I dont think snowflakes are to blame for everything

Lots of people want what they cant afford. Many whinge about air quality while driving their kids to school in a hugh gas guzzling monstrosity that they can barely manage to drive.

Some just love showing up at whatever protest is the latest one - like to be seen im guessing.

Oh, there's definitely a strong element of that at some protests, I agree.

The problem starts when people think that that's the mindset of EVERY person who ever attends ANY protest.

Sleeper12 · 20-11-2018 6:57am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I am sick of them. Protests about everything these days. By people so deluded they think they are making a difference. Just go home. Snowflakes are a serious part of the problem, and seem to be the fuel on the fire in the proliferation over the last decade or so.

The price of houses (cop on, and accept the fact that you cannot afford the standard and location of house that you think you are entitled to folks), insurance premiums, judges opinions on court evidence, the environment (REALLY want to do something for it ? Cancel the family holiday flight next year and stay at home), etc, etc.

And the same nonsense every weekend in other modern countries: regretting a decision you made in a referendum (you should have discussed the issue and voted as responsible adults the first time), upset at a rise in fuel prices and the elimination of polluting cars from cities (yet, next weekend you will probably be out marching for clean air), the implementation of migrant policies (by a government you only just elected to do just that), the appointment of a judge (by a President you elected and a legislature you elected to approve them).

Stop with the 'witty' slogans, roll up your flags, wash the paint off your faces and stop looking like junior infants. You live in democratic countries and have various forms of suffrage to determine the governance of your country. Use it correctly, and cut out the group hug nonsense that if you dont like something about the world, if you can just get enough people to walk down a street together or block a bridge, the problem will be cured.
Am fed up with the lot of you.

How do we rid the world of this scourge ? I am almost torn between organising a march or a rally.

I've said this before on threads. Many protestors throughout Irelands history weren't popular at the time the most famous being the rabble of trouble makers that destroyed Dublin city in 1916. These men were considered scum by the average Irish person at the time. They were jeered & had things thrown at them as they were marched through the streets. Not by British people but by Irish people. It took their deaths to sway public opinion.

Womens votes, womens rights to work, Divorce, abortion, same sex marriage. None of these were popular protests when they started out. All of these were seen as annoying winging groups.

For the most part people only jump on the band wagon when the hard work is done & the campaign gets trendy

The Bishop Basher · 21-11-2018 10:47am

batgoat wrote: »

You're rewriting history somewhat in relation to those referendums. The results were greatly related to the largescale campaigning and demonstrating that occurred.

Both were backed by the government and supported by the people in the main. The reason they passed is because they were backed by the government and supported by people in the main. If you were actively involved good on you.. You may have influenced some votes on the edge but you didn't change the outcome no matter how much you claim you did.

If you want an example of how protests can actually force change, look no further then Irish Water.

Brian? wrote: »

You’re basically saying there no point in anyone campaigning for anything

Nice try Cathy but that's not what I said :rolleyes:

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I've said this before on threads. Many protestors throughout Irelands history weren't popular at the time the most famous being the rabble of trouble makers that destroyed Dublin city in 1916. These men were considered scum by the average Irish person at the time. They were jeered & had things thrown at them as they were marched through the streets. Not by British people but by Irish people.

Indeed. Just like those of us who campaigned against Irish Water. We had the government actively working against us at every turn. It's the only time in my life that i've ever been called scum but there ye go..

Such was the average Irish persons desire to hand more of their hard earned cash over to DoB.

I assume you've received your refund

You're welcome

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-11-2018 6:00pm

Rennaws wrote: »

Both were backed by the government and supported by the people in the main. The reason they passed is because they were backed by the government and supported by people in the main. If you were actively involved good on you.. You may have influenced some votes on the edge but you didn't change the outcome no matter how much you claim you did.

Tell me - who do you think influenced the government? And what do you think the people who supported it were doing?

Brian? · 23-11-2018 12:18pm

Rennaws wrote: »

Nice try Cathy but that's not what I said :rolleyes:

You're repeatedly saying protests haven't meant anything, aren't you?

So you think protests are pointless or not?

twinytwo · 23-11-2018 12:24pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I am sick of them. Protests about everything these days. By people so deluded they think they are making a difference. Just go home. Snowflakes are a serious part of the problem, and seem to be the fuel on the fire in the proliferation over the last decade or so.

The price of houses (cop on, and accept the fact that you cannot afford the standard and location of house that you think you are entitled to folks), insurance premiums, judges opinions on court evidence, the environment (REALLY want to do something for it ? Cancel the family holiday flight next year and stay at home), etc, etc.

And the same nonsense every weekend in other modern countries: regretting a decision you made in a referendum (you should have discussed the issue and voted as responsible adults the first time), upset at a rise in fuel prices and the elimination of polluting cars from cities (yet, next weekend you will probably be out marching for clean air), the implementation of migrant policies (by a government you only just elected to do just that), the appointment of a judge (by a President you elected and a legislature you elected to approve them).

Stop with the 'witty' slogans, roll up your flags, wash the paint off your faces and stop looking like junior infants. You live in democratic countries and have various forms of suffrage to determine the governance of your country. Use it correctly, and cut out the group hug nonsense that if you dont like something about the world, if you can just get enough people to walk down a street together or block a bridge, the problem will be cured.
Am fed up with the lot of you.

How do we rid the world of this scourge ? I am almost torn between organising a march or a rally.

Tbh id be more in favor of getting rid of all people that bitch and moan to anyone that will listen, but wont actually lift a finger to do anything about it....

Chris_Heilong · 23-11-2018 5:01pm

Protestors are fine, It is the damn activists I have an issue with, they are comparable to the religious zealots trying to convert people to their religion. Look I do not care about you perceived injustices in the world as life is a struggle for everyone and we will choose to live life as best we can on our own terms.

weldoninhio · 23-11-2018 5:16pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I am sick of them. Protests about everything these days. By people so deluded they think they are making a difference. Just go home. Snowflakes are a serious part of the problem, and seem to be the fuel on the fire in the proliferation over the last decade or so.

The price of houses (cop on, and accept the fact that you cannot afford the standard and location of house that you think you are entitled to folks), insurance premiums, judges opinions on court evidence, the environment (REALLY want to do something for it ? Cancel the family holiday flight next year and stay at home), etc, etc.

And the same nonsense every weekend in other modern countries: regretting a decision you made in a referendum (you should have discussed the issue and voted as responsible adults the first time), upset at a rise in fuel prices and the elimination of polluting cars from cities (yet, next weekend you will probably be out marching for clean air), the implementation of migrant policies (by a government you only just elected to do just that), the appointment of a judge (by a President you elected and a legislature you elected to approve them).

Stop with the 'witty' slogans, roll up your flags, wash the paint off your faces and stop looking like junior infants. You live in democratic countries and have various forms of suffrage to determine the governance of your country. Use it correctly, and cut out the group hug nonsense that if you dont like something about the world, if you can just get enough people to walk down a street together or block a bridge, the problem will be cured.
Am fed up with the lot of you.

How do we rid the world of this scourge ? I am almost torn between organising a march or a rally.

Offer a wage and tell them protesting is work??

How to rid the world of protesters ?

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