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Why did Gardai destroy possible burial site of Irelands longest missing child?

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  • #202
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmofDnpWEAA_dSL.jpg

    CmofDnpWEAA_dSL.jpg

    this is the article i was referring to earlier it isn't the best quality and you may have to download it and zoom in .. I blanked out most names, the circled bit in yellow wasn't done by me but it contains the statement that the friendship between Superintendent Murray & "Mr Donegal FF County councillor " was mentioned several times in the RTE documentary from a few nights earlier

    please tell me anyone if you can't access it and ill try a different way


  • #203
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    jenny smith wrote: »
    In the doc Mary's mother is hown on Nationwide on RTE asking if anyone knows anything to tell the gardai in confidence? would the rte people have known about the suspect? Surely they would have heard it researching it and they let her go saying that.

    and her change of attitude since that programme is very strange


  • #204
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    jenny smith wrote: »
    In the doc Mary's mother is hown on Nationwide on RTE asking if anyone knows anything to tell the gardai in confidence? would the rte people have known about the suspect? Surely they would have heard it researching it and they let her go saying that. There is another would you believe with Charlie and Mary I have not seen.

    well I do know that concerning The Sunday World article (6 page pull out) and series of videos that are referenced earlier in this thread. that the team of journos involved in that case phoned back to Dublin on the day they arrived there and announced that they knew from that first day who the killer was .. yet they have strangely done very little since, i thought at the time of reading the article that it painted last nights suspect in a not very flattering light , the videos don't either, that's the first time personally that I got it into my head that he could be involved .


  • #205
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    well I do know that concerning The Sunday World article (6 page pull out) and series of videos that are referenced earlier in this thread. that the team of journos involved in that case phoned back to Dublin on the day they arrived there and announced that they knew from that first day who the killer was .. yet they have strangely done very little since, i thought at the time of reading the article that it painted last nights suspect in a not very flattering light , the videos don't either, that's the first time personally that I got it into my head that he could be involved .
    Thanks for the jpeg. If anyone has trouble seeing it hold control button and press the plus and the page increases. Count how many presses then reduce with control minus
    and series of videos that are referenced earlier in this thread
    any of them online?


  • #206
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Just catching up on some of the comments since I posted last night.

    The programme has been on my mind all day, so in that respect maybe it was successful and will have people talk about the case again.

    Obviously now we all know what the most likely outcome of what happened the poor little girl.

    It appears she was abused by a relative, and was likely to mention it, so was killed, either accidently or deliberately. This relative would more than likely have been questioned by the police and told the truth, until a local politician requested that the police leave him alone. This was the spanner in the whole investigation and which has meant the killer hasn't been found to this day. And now even the victims mother knows who did it, yet doesn't want the person prosecuted for fear of embarrassing the family.

    You'd say this was a badly written and crazy story, if you didn't know it actually happened. From the outside, its an awful indictment of our police and legal system, that an obvious child killer is still walking around when the dogs in the street know who it is.

    But some things are still troubling me and are making me think other things are at play here.

    1) The killer had abused the little girl and was afraid she'd mention it, so afraid that he was prepared to kill her to shut her up (assuming the murder was a deliberate act). Now, it appears that the people who he was afraid would find out, the girls family, did find out anyway, and yet they seemed to have forgiven the killer enough to ask that people stop talking about the case and not open any investigatons or inquests.

    2) The worrying one for me.
    How a local politician felt that he had to ask the police not to continue their investigation. According to some, he did this simply because the killer was a member of the FF party, like himself. Now this doesn't stack up for me. Could we imagine this was done simply because the politican was worried about the FF party image? Come on, thats nonsense. If one of your work colleagues, or best friends, or family member abused and murdered a child, there is no way you'd cover up for them. Let alone someone as loosely connected to you as simply being a member of the same political party as you.

    This is what I would worry about. It must have been done for more serious reasons. I can't get it out of my head but it would surely be because the killer might possibly say something in questioning that would incriminate others? Possibly the politician? Or members of the Gardai? Or people even higher up? How else can you explain a case being blocked so much and with such vigour?

    Now the worrying thing. Was the killer just one person who was involved in a child abuse ring in the area? Did he know others in it? If he was taken in for questioning, would the deck of cards all start to fall? Who knows?

    Its only speculation on my part, but for me this case is just so obvious and so easily solved, that there has to be someone greater at play here, otherwise it would have been sorted out years ago and that little girls remains would have been found.


  • #207
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    and don't forget a school girl went missing in Co Sligo just 7 years earlier

    maybe unrelated i don't know


  • #208
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Just catching up on some of the comments since I posted last night.

    The programme has been on my mind all day, so in that respect maybe it was successful and will have people talk about the case again.

    Obviously now we all know what the most likely outcome of what happened the poor little girl.

    It appears she was abused by a relative, and was likely to mention it, so was killed, either accidently or deliberately. This relative would more than likely have been questioned by the police and told the truth, until a local politician requested that the police leave him alone. This was the spanner in the whole investigation and which has meant the killer hasn't been found to this day. And now even the victims mother knows who did it, yet doesn't want the person prosecuted for fear of embarrassing the family.

    You'd say this was a badly written and crazy story, if you didn't know it actually happened. From the outside, its an awful indictment of our police and legal system, that an obvious child killer is still walking around when the dogs in the street know who it is.

    But some things are still troubling me and are making me think other things are at play here.

    1) The killer had abused the little girl and was afraid she'd mention it, so afraid that he was prepared to kill her to shut her up (assuming the murder was a deliberate act). Now, it appears that the people who he was afraid would find out, the girls family, did find out anyway, and yet they seemed to have forgiven the killer enough to ask that people stop talking about the case and not open any investigatons or inquests.

    2) The worrying one for me.
    How a local politician felt that he had to ask the police not to continue their investigation. According to some, he did this simply because the killer was a member of the FF party, like himself. Now this doesn't stack up for me. Could we imagine this was done simply because the politican was worried about the FF party image? Come on, thats nonsense. If one of your work colleagues, or best friends, or family member abused and murdered a child, there is no way you'd cover up for them. Let alone someone as loosely connected to you as simply being a member of the same political party as you.

    This is what I would worry about. It must have been done for more serious reasons. I can't get it out of my head but it would surely be because the killer might possibly say something in questioning that would incriminate others? Possibly the politician? Or members of the Gardai? Or people even higher up? How else can you explain a case being blocked so much and with such vigour?

    Now the worrying thing. Was the killer just one person who was involved in a child abuse ring in the area? Did he know others in it? If he was taken in for questioning, would the deck of cards all start to fall? Who knows?

    Its only speculation on my part, but for me this case is just so obvious and so easily solved, that there has to be someone greater at play here, otherwise it would have been sorted out years ago and that little girls remains would have been found.

    a very insightful and well thought out post, i can't disagree with any of it , thank you very much


  • #209
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    jenny smith wrote: »
    Thanks for the jpeg. If anyone has trouble seeing it hold control button and press the plus and the page increases. Count how many presses then reduce with control minus
    any of them online?










  • #210
    Jellybaby1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭Jellybaby1


    Trial by media or social media cannot be right. But this case has so many things wrong with it, its about time there was a proper investigation. I was mulling over this during the last few weeks with Mary's face now firmly on my mind. I realised there is one very important person missing from the whole scenario who could have some sway to change the mother's mind. Someone who is called after every tragic accident, death, violence. Someone who is called to bring succour to families and who is always rolled out for the cameras and interviewed by journalists. The local PP. Anyone know if the PP was asked to be mediator? Just a thought really, as you would think this family would be quite religious.


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  • #211
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    Trial by media or social media cannot be right. But this case has so many things wrong with it, its about time there was a proper investigation. I was mulling over this during the last few weeks with Mary's face now firmly on my mind. I realised there is one very important person missing from the whole scenario who could have some sway to change the mother's mind. Someone who is called after every tragic accident, death, violence. Someone who is called to bring succour to families and who is always rolled out for the cameras and interviewed by journalists. The local PP. Anyone know if the PP was asked to be mediator? Just a thought really, as you would think this family would be quite religious.

    The mother certainly was religious, she sprayed holy water around the house before she even rang the gardai, the rest i cant answer


  • #212
    oranbhoy67
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    here is another video that may be of interest to you all .

    My sister at her home in Scotland decided to phone the suspect one night to ask for herself about the allegations

    she rang and his wife answered and said who is this?

    My sister explained who she was and that she was Marys cousin and wished to speak to her husband about the case

    The wife then bizarrely started repeating her answer and eventually started repeating it in what my sister said sounded like a weird almost child-like voice before hanging up!

    My sister decided to call again and record it this time and the following was the result

    *WARNING - very high volume so please do not listen to whilst wearing earphones or with volume high up *

    https://vimeo.com/170306589

    this happened again when my sister tried to phone a few nights later i have to stress the only thing my sister ever said was her name , her relation to Mary and why she was ringing - she wasn't abusive in any way .


  • #213
    NIMAN
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    By my reckoning, the only way for this every to be sorted out is for it to be talked about openly, all the time.

    Keep it in the news, keep asking questions, keep it live.......

    Surely GSOC or the Garda Commissioner will have to make some sort of comment on it if enough people highlught it?


  • #214
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    NIMAN wrote: »
    By my reckoning, the only way for this every to be sorted out is for it to be talked about openly, all the time.

    Keep it in the news, keep asking questions, keep it live.......

    Surely GSOC or the Garda Commissioner will have to make some sort of comment on it if enough people highlught it?

    yes i 100% agree , it was trending on twitter yesterday it was the second highest hashtag in Ireland after the Luke Kelly documentary , the powers that be cant continue to ignore such pressure forever.. also contact your locals TDs - especially Fianna Fail - contact RTE , write on mainstream media sites ask them why they continue to ignore the case, share it on your social media sites .. every little bit helps !!


  • #215
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Again, feel this has a large part to play in it all.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/exgarda-lifts-lid-on-decades-of-child-abuse-in-gaeltacht-26443832.html

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fears-dozens-of-boys-abused-in-donegal-by-child-sex-ring-26753516.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/29/catholic-clergy-children-donegal-report

    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/major-pedophile-ring-that-worked-in-donegal-is-exposed-128663783-237409041.html

    http://www.donegaldaily.com/2011/07/23/sex-abuse-scandal-paedophile-victim-i-saw-fr-greene-at-ardscoil-mhuire-with-michael-ferry/


  • #216
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,592 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Again, feel this has a large part to play in it all.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/exgarda-lifts-lid-on-decades-of-child-abuse-in-gaeltacht-26443832.html

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fears-dozens-of-boys-abused-in-donegal-by-child-sex-ring-26753516.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/29/catholic-clergy-children-donegal-report

    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/major-pedophile-ring-that-worked-in-donegal-is-exposed-128663783-237409041.html

    http://www.donegaldaily.com/2011/07/23/sex-abuse-scandal-paedophile-victim-i-saw-fr-greene-at-ardscoil-mhuire-with-michael-ferry/

    Much more likely it was the last person who saw her alive that questions should be asked of, I believe he was never formally questioned.


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  • #217
    RodVelvet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭RodVelvet


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Much more likely it was the last person who saw her alive that questions should be asked of, I believe he was never formally questioned.

    This is what I was thinking, the story that the Uncle has told doesn't seem to add up. When the Mother was calling out "where is Mary", she said he didn't hear or else he just ignored it. Also why was it the fishermen that had to call the guards. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.


  • #218
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    RodVelvet wrote: »
    This is what I was thinking, the story that the Uncle has told doesn't seem to add up. When the Mother was calling out "where is Mary", she said he didn't hear or else he just ignored it. Also why was it the fishermen that had to call the guards. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.


    yeah , the fisherman who were illegally poaching , yet rowed their boat into ballyshannon to alert the gards when the family had 2 cars at their disposal


  • #219
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    this is being circulated on Twitter in response to the case but I cant make h[ead nor tail of it maybe someone here can , it refers to the 1985 RTE documentary I posted about earlier



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfLEK0GoWRE


  • #220
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    What happened in the 1985 Documentary?
    Was it a doc about the Mary Boyle case?

    A person is named in this YouTube clip who RTE must have named in the Documentary.


  • #221
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    yeah , the fisherman who were illegally poaching , yet rowed their boat into ballyshannon to alert the gards when the family had 2 cars at their disposal

    It is impossible to row from Cashelard into Ballyshannon. Garda Collins describes them as anglers, not poachers and doesn't mention anything about them having a lookout. It would be very unusual to be poaching in the middle of the day.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • #222
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »






    Thanks . saw them elsewhere. Not impressed with the Sunday World describing them selves as a cold case team. More like a comic book mixed with a soft porn mag


  • #223
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    are the suspect and the TD related??....they have the same surname


  • #224
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    fryup wrote: »
    are the suspect and the TD related??....they have the same surname
    They don't. TD is not who you seem to think


  • #225
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055246029
    Is this available.?

    Has anyone seen one of the photos mentioned in the last post http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=56922865&postcount=7

    Personally i do not believe that


  • #226
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    fryup wrote: »
    are the suspect and the TD related??....they have the same surname

    The politician is not, was not and never has been a TD. They do not share a surname either.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #227
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    so the posts in AH are incorrect?


  • #228
    Dolbert
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Dolbert


    fryup wrote: »
    so the posts in AH are incorrect?

    I deleted my post as I've heard conflicting things. One name has cropped up a lot elsewhere on social media but it looks like it may not be him.


  • #229
    JinkyJackson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 219 ✭✭JinkyJackson


    oranbhoy67 wrote:
    yeah , the fisherman who were illegally poaching , yet rowed their boat into ballyshannon to alert the gards when the family had 2 cars at their disposal


    As far as I know it was a lake? So impossible to row anywhere, and also, its legal to fish any lake so they weren't poachers.. Not that this is relevant or anything


  • #230
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Just catching up on some of the comments since I posted last night.

    The programme has been on my mind all day, so in that respect maybe it was successful and will have people talk about the case again.

    Obviously now we all know what the most likely outcome of what happened the poor little girl.

    It appears she was abused by a relative, and was likely to mention it, so was killed, either accidently or deliberately. This relative would more than likely have been questioned by the police and told the truth, until a local politician requested that the police leave him alone. This was the spanner in the whole investigation and which has meant the killer hasn't been found to this day. And now even the victims mother knows who did it, yet doesn't want the person prosecuted for fear of embarrassing the family.

    You'd say this was a badly written and crazy story, if you didn't know it actually happened. From the outside, its an awful indictment of our police and legal system, that an obvious child killer is still walking around when the dogs in the street know who it is.

    But some things are still troubling me and are making me think other things are at play here.

    1) The killer had abused the little girl and was afraid she'd mention it, so afraid that he was prepared to kill her to shut her up (assuming the murder was a deliberate act). Now, it appears that the people who he was afraid would find out, the girls family, did find out anyway, and yet they seemed to have forgiven the killer enough to ask that people stop talking about the case and not open any investigatons or inquests.

    2) The worrying one for me.
    How a local politician felt that he had to ask the police not to continue their investigation. According to some, he did this simply because the killer was a member of the FF party, like himself. Now this doesn't stack up for me. Could we imagine this was done simply because the politican was worried about the FF party image? Come on, thats nonsense. If one of your work colleagues, or best friends, or family member abused and murdered a child, there is no way you'd cover up for them. Let alone someone as loosely connected to you as simply being a member of the same political party as you.

    This is what I would worry about. It must have been done for more serious reasons. I can't get it out of my head but it would surely be because the killer might possibly say something in questioning that would incriminate others? Possibly the politician? Or members of the Gardai? Or people even higher up? How else can you explain a case being blocked so much and with such vigour?

    Now the worrying thing. Was the killer just one person who was involved in a child abuse ring in the area? Did he know others in it? If he was taken in for questioning, would the deck of cards all start to fall? Who knows?

    Its only speculation on my part, but for me this case is just so obvious and so easily solved, that there has to be someone greater at play here, otherwise it would have been sorted out years ago and that little girls remains would have been found.

    Good summation. There must be one hell of a reason to protect someone or a group.

    On another point brought up that I hadn't known:

    Her mother is against holding an inquest into Mary's "death".

    Weight was given in the documentary to a claim that she has written in her will that she does not want an inquest even after her death.

    Does such a request carry any legal weight, I would have thought her preferences are irrelevant?


  • #231
    Jellybaby1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,108 ✭✭✭Jellybaby1


    Going Forward wrote: »
    Good summation. There must be one hell of a reason to protect someone or a group.

    On another point brought up that I hadn't known:

    Her mother is against holding an inquest into Mary's "death".

    Weight was given in the documentary to a claim that she has written in her will that she does not want an inquest even after her death.

    Does such a request carry any legal weight, I would have thought her preferences are irrelevant?

    The law should override someone's own personal wishes, otherwise think what crimes could be committed because its written in a will! This community don't seem to know very much about anything other than their own local community. Even the saintly Margo thinking going to Pearse Street Station was the best line of action! Honestly? Some of the community throughout Donegal believe because its so remote and away from 'prying eyes', that they can get away with anything. This is the 21st century for crying out loud! Maybe our political mavericks might be the ones to organise marches to the Dail in full view of international media, it might have some effect. They did it for water charges, if they're looking for another cause to fight for, this is a good one.


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  • #232
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    The law should override someone's own personal wishes, otherwise think what crimes could be committed because its written in a will! This community don't seem to know very much about anything other than their own local community. Even the saintly Margo thinking going to Pearse Street Station was the best line of action! Honestly? Some of the community throughout Donegal believe because its so remote and away from 'prying eyes', that they can get away with anything. This is the 21st century for crying out loud! Maybe our political mavericks might be the ones to organise marches to the Dail in full view of international media, it might have some effect. They did it for water charges, if they're looking for another cause to fight for, this is a good one.
    they seem to be law unto themselves. In a way i am not surprised the gardai do not bother. The mother wants it kept quiet. I do not know of any other case where the parent wants it kept quiet. Also i bet we do not hear half of it in a film

    People will not talk on film unless they say what they wany and oftern the journalists go along as otherwise no film


  • #233
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    The law should override someone's own personal wishes, otherwise think what crimes could be committed because its written in a will! This community don't seem to know very much about anything other than their own local community. Even the saintly Margo thinking going to Pearse Street Station was the best line of action! Honestly?

    Bit naive to say the least.

    But every other door was already closed.

    On the mother's wishes:

    But blocking an inquest isn't within her gift, alive or dead.

    A relative does not initiate or prevent an inquest taking place.

    Except in Donegal.


  • #234
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    just after ringing the garda station again

    the detective wasn't in again

    the Guard on the phone said "ah are you the one from Scotland"

    promised to get me a call back . again

    think that says it all really


  • #235
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    just had a quick look at the AH thread

    what a horrible bunch of attention seeking "witty" cretins , on the first page anyway so far


  • #236
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    case was raised in the Seanad today by Sentaor Ronan Mullen https://vimeo.com/173610793


  • #237
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    just had a quick look at the AH thread

    what a horrible bunch of attention seeking "witty" cretins , on the first page anyway so far

    I think it's time for me at least to move from here (in the CT forum) to the other thread.

    Might see you all over there;)

    I'm going to very blunt here in what I'm going to say next.

    Is there no one who's a bit media savvy who can do something about this case?

    It's obvious Mary's sister Ann is not comfortable in the glare of publicity.

    Margo O'Donnell, accepting her good intentions seems a bit naive.

    Surely there's someone willing to take on a media campaign, recording the story properly and the steps along the way.

    And I'm not implying that that person should be you.

    Contacts made towards the media and any responses received.

    The media is being blamed for not covering it well, but bear in mind most of the media now is comprised of young not terribly well educated copy and paste merchants.

    Many of them will never have heard of the case and might not care less unless they are spoon fed that they might be the one responsible for bringing an end to this case.


  • #238
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Going Forward wrote: »
    I think it's time for me at least to move from here (in the CT forum) to the other thread.

    Might see you all over there;)

    I'm going to very blunt here in what I'm going to say next.

    Is there no one who's a bit media savvy who can do something about this case?

    It's obvious Mary's sister Ann is not comfortable in the glare of publicity.

    Margo O'Donnell, accepting her good intentions seems a bit naive.

    Surely there's someone willing to take on a media campaign, recording the story properly and the steps along the way.

    And I'm not implying that that person should be you.

    Contacts made towards the media and any responses received.

    The media is being blamed for not covering it well, but bear in mind most of the media now is comprised of young not terribly well educated copy and paste merchants.

    Many of them will never have heard of the case and might not care less unless they are spoon fed that they might be the one responsible for bringing an end to this case.

    my own 2 cents on this

    Anne and Margo started off this journey alone .. they contacted the Sunday World who did the above sensationalist videos then buggered off

    they then got on to Gemma.

    Whilst Gemma is in no doubt a very good journalist and has done wonders producing the documentary I believe she has no real interest in other media factions taking the story on despite her protestations to the contrary.

    It doesn't excuse these media outlets for not taking it on as they should despite anyone else but that is what I fully believe.

    she is very controlling of their campaign to the point that I am now blocked from her twitter because I refused to take down a post on facebook where I was debating in a civil matter with a TD on the case a fortnight ago .

    I am the only person in Donegal itself who is related to Mary who is publicly trying to push this forward through social media , forums such as this and Reddit etc and by phoning politicians and others and indeed going down to their offices to ask questions of them .

    Yet she has now tried to or indeed has cut me off over a silly little thing which I tried to make amends over numerous times but to no avail , she knows she doesn't have total control over me and I think that worries her.

    My sister is also publicly campaigning but she is in Scotland so there isnt as much she can do , she has also been cut off.

    I dont want to make this whole thing an issue but that is my side of the story


    I believe in Anne and Margo 100% although i have never been part of their campaign I back it and push it forward in my own way.

    I wouldn't be the best in front of a camera neither im decent enough at typing away and talking on the phone but i wouldn't be too good at that tbh & ive had enough people not take me serious with my Glaswegian accent in phone calls etc alone .

    but i would love for the mainstream media to come on board and i would be willing to help in any way possible .


  • #239
    Going Forward
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    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    my own 2 cents on this

    Anne and Margo started off this journey alone .. they contacted the Sunday World who did the above sensationalist videos then buggered off

    they then got on to Gemma.

    Whilst Gemma is in no doubt a very good journalist and has done wonders producing the documentary I believe she has no real interest in other media factions taking the story on despite her protestations to the contrary.

    It doesn't excuse these media outlets for not taking it on as they should despite anyone else but that is what I fully believe.

    she is very controlling of their campaign to the point that I am now blocked from her twitter because I refused to take down a post on facebook where I was debating in a civil matter with a TD on the case a fortnight ago .

    I am the only person in Donegal itself who is related to Mary who is publicly trying to push this forward through social media , forums such as this and Reddit etc and by phoning politicians and others and indeed going down to their offices to ask questions of them .

    Yet she has now tried to or indeed has cut me off over a silly little thing which I tried to make amends over numerous times but to no avail , she knows she doesn't have total control over me and I think that worries her.

    My sister is also publicly campaigning but she is in Scotland so there isnt as much she can do , she has also been cut off.

    I dont want to make this whole thing an issue but that is my side of the story


    I believe in Anne and Margo 100% although i have never been part of their campaign I back it and push it forward in my own way.

    I wouldn't be the best in front of a camera neither im decent enough at typing away and talking on the phone but i wouldn't be too good at that tbh & ive had enough people not take me serious with my Glaswegian accent in phone calls etc alone .

    but i would love for the mainstream media to come on board and i would be willing to help in any way possible .

    At the end of the day Gemma O'Doherty has to make a crust too.

    She's part of the media industry and it's for that reason I'd guess she's not wanting to burn all bridges there by cutting herself off from them by being overtly critical of them.

    She might need them at some stage before they need her.

    She may not be in a position to freelance or whatever, for ever.

    It's odd, but I recall Anton Savage (as will many others I'm sure (TodayFM) I don't even know if you've heard of him or it!) recently giving daily breathless and hugely enthusiastic updates on a story about getting a plane from Shannon to Sligo.

    Nothing wrong with that mind, it's entertainment after all, but FFS, if someone like him had an ounce of interest in this story.......................

    The basic story is known to most people (of a certain generation, admittedly, judging by the first couple of pages on the other thread).

    Any communication would need to be brief, not be sensationalist or emotional and concentrate on what's not widely known, which IMO are the following:

    The allegation of political interference to protect the suspect is not widely known.

    The refusal of the Coroner to hold an inquest is not widely known.

    The reason for the refusal is not widely known.

    That all said, I expect TDs, and radio and Tv stations to get daily bulk emails from all sorts of people, organisation and lobbyists all looking for some attention.

    Good to see that Senator raising it today.

    One or two more politicians could make a big difference.

    Any contacted would have to be an Independent, or from FG or FF, SF won't be taken seriously.

    But then again, the claims are unlikely to be picked up by FF, are they.

    But you never know.

    The Minister for Children's response to any communication would be worth reading, and publishing here.

    http://www.dcya.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/Minister/minister.htm


  • #240
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    I realised there is one very important person missing from the whole scenario who could have some sway to change the mother's mind. Someone who is called after every tragic accident, death, violence. Someone who is called to bring succour to families and who is always rolled out for the cameras and interviewed by journalists. The local PP. Anyone know if the PP was asked to be mediator? Just a thought really, as you would think this family would be quite religious.

    a catholic priest :confused: knowing their track record in child abuse they'd be last people i'd go to


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  • #241
    oranbhoy67
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭oranbhoy67


    Going Forward wrote: »
    At the end of the day Gemma O'Doherty has to make a crust too.

    She's part of the media industry and it's for that reason I'd guess she's not wanting to burn all bridges there by cutting herself off from them by being overtly critical of them.

    She might need them at some stage before they need her.

    She may not be in a position to freelance or whatever, for ever.

    It's odd, but I recall Anton Savage (as will many others I'm sure (TodayFM) I don't even know if you've heard of him or it!) recently giving daily breathless and hugely enthusiastic updates on a story about getting a plane from Shannon to Sligo.

    Nothing wrong with that mind, it's entertainment after all, but FFS, if someone like him had an ounce of interest in this story.......................

    The basic story is known to most people (of a certain generation, admittedly, judging by the first couple of pages on the other thread).

    Any communication would need to be brief, not be sensationalist or emotional and concentrate on what's not widely known, which IMO are the following:

    The allegation of political interference to protect the suspect is not widely known.

    The refusal of the Coroner to hold an inquest is not widely known.

    The reason for the refusal is not widely known.

    That all said, I expect TDs, and radio and Tv stations to get daily bulk emails from all sorts of people, organisation and lobbyists all looking for some attention.

    Good to see that Senator raising it today.

    One or two more politicians could make a big difference.

    Any contacted would have to be an Independent, or from FG or FF, SF won't be taken seriously.

    But then again, the claims are unlikely to be picked up by FF, are they.

    But you never know.

    The Minister for Children's response to any communication would be worth reading, and publishing here.

    http://www.dcya.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/Minister/minister.htm

    I agree Gemma has to make a crust , I have no problem with this whatsoever . I know she has spent a fortune on this not to mention a lot of time as well , infact i suggested to her I would start a crowdfunding campaign for the documentary , but she balked at this because she didnt want to be seen in a position of making money from this , i told her it was my opinion she has every right to make money from this and if she can get the case to court I would hope she makes millions

    Despite our personal disagreement I think she has done a great job on this and i would have wished to remain onside with her and worked together on it but alas it wasn't to be .. things were a huge strain on everyone leading up to the documentary and I'd say this played a big part in our small disagreement escalating . I made mistakes too I will admit to that and i won't take away from any work she has done and I would be willing to help her out again in the future because despite our personality clash I believe 100% in the cause she is working for


    Thank you for that last link it is something I will look in to


  • #242
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    Going Forward wrote: »
    I think it's time for me at least to move from here (in the CT forum) to the other thread.

    Might see you all over there;)

    I'm going to very blunt here in what I'm going to say next.

    Is there no one who's a bit media savvy who can do something about this case?

    It's obvious Mary's sister Ann is not comfortable in the glare of publicity.

    Margo O'Donnell, accepting her good intentions seems a bit naive.

    Surely there's someone willing to take on a media campaign, recording the story properly and the steps along the way.

    And I'm not implying that that person should be you.

    Contacts made towards the media and any responses received.

    The media is being blamed for not covering it well, but bear in mind most of the media now is comprised of young not terribly well educated copy and paste merchants.

    Many of them will never have heard of the case and might not care less unless they are spoon fed that they might be the one responsible for bringing an end to this case.
    That is nonsense. Any qualified journalist should be able to investigate. Maybe they do not bother because they are up against a woman who does not want her daughters disappearance investigated for family reasons, a family split on it and probably more we do not know about

    anyway what do you think the mainstream media can do. gemma o d made the film and what more can a mainstream person do


  • #243
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    oranbhoy67 wrote: »
    just after ringing the garda station again

    the detective wasn't in again

    the Guard on the phone said "ah are you the one from Scotland"

    promised to get me a call back . again

    think that says it all really
    Why do you accept this. if it were me i would complain the detective to the garda commissioner. Here is a tip from someone i know, someone who gets results Always go to the top. if someone does not answer your call do not argue with him. Go over his head. Without telling him


  • #244
    Going Forward
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    oranbhoy67 wrote: »

    Thank you for that last link it is something I will look in to

    It might be worth a shot, and especially after Senator Mullen has now spoken on it.

    I wonder will the papers carry it tomorrow?

    Who knows.


  • #245
    Going Forward
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    jenny smith wrote: »
    That is nonsense. Any qualified journalist should be able to investigate. Maybe they do not bother because they are up against a woman who does not want her daughters disappearance investigated for family reasons, a family split on it and probably more we do not know about

    anyway what do you think the mainstream media can do. gemma o d made the film and what more can a mainstream person do

    They are not "up against" that woman. She is irrelevant. A non entity.

    They have no duty to placate her.

    The investigation is not and cannot be directed by a victim's mother.

    (EDIT:And I don't mean the media should be investigating it, I mean the gaurds, the media should be reporting on the garda investigation and allegations.)

    An allegation of political interference has been made by 2 ex gardai.

    I'd like to see the allegation reported in the print media and discussed on Prime Time or Vincent Browne.


  • #246
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    Going Forward wrote: »
    They are not "up against" that woman. She is irrelevant. A non entity.

    They have no duty to placate her.

    The investigation is not and cannot be directed by a victim's mother.

    An allegation of political interference has been made by 2 ex gardai.

    I'd like to see the allegation reported in the print media and discussed on Prime Time or Vincent Browne.
    the media i mean not the garda. they may not want to bother with all the family infights and reluctance of the mother
    The investigation is not and cannot be directed by a victim's mother
    i know i said that too


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  • #247
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    I am not excusing rte and tv3 but i am sure they have their legal advisers. In fact as it is i wonder if the suspect could claim he is identified by inference and would that affect a trial


  • #248
    Going Forward
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    jenny smith wrote: »
    I am not excusing rte and tv3 but i am sure they have their legal advisers. In fact as it is i wonder if the suspect could claim he is identified by inference and would that affect a trial

    Not for reporting that an allegation of interference has been made.

    Anyway things may be taking a turn for the better, media-wise:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/text/ireland/eyauidqlkfcw/

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mary-boyle-case-documentary-alleges-political-interference-1.2711542

    And Senator Mullen, today: scroll down,

    http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/seanad2016070600002?opendocument#Prelude

    And the documentary now has 40,000 views.


  • #249
    jenny smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 716 ✭✭✭jenny smith


    Going Forward wrote: »
    Not for reporting that an allegation of interference has been made.

    Anyway things may be taking a turn for the better, media-wise:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/text/ireland/eyauidqlkfcw/

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mary-boyle-case-documentary-alleges-political-interference-1.2711542

    And Senator Mullen, today: scroll down,

    http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas.ie/debates%20authoring/debateswebpack.nsf/takes/seanad2016070600002?opendocument#Prelude

    And the documentary now has 40,000 views.
    Not for reporting that an allegation of interference has been made.
    Don't know what this means.

    Good to see times/examiner and seanad covering it.


  • #250
    Going Forward
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    jenny smith wrote: »
    Don't know what this means.

    It means there is nothing stopping them discussing the fact that an allegation of political interference has been made.

    Just as we are.

    They concentrate on the political end. That claim.

    How could RTE not be able to discuss it whilst the Examiner and Times is??

    Have we got crossed wires?


  • #251
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    oranbhoy67 are you related to Mary Boyle? if so how old were you when she disappeared ?


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