Do you trust cops?

jaxxx · 27-09-2020 2:06pm #1

I don't. Not one bit. Maybe I've been watching too many negative cop experience videos on Youtubez. I dunno. Like I've had all of.. 6 interactions with cops in my life? 2 were for Garda vetting. The rest were just routine traffic checkpoints. Never been pulled over or anything like that. At least half of those experiences they were very unpleasant, not at all civil and just general dicks. If I were ever pulled over, as soon as the engine was switched off, I'd whip out the phone recording every second, just for my own safety, not for posting to Youpornz.

Yes I'm using cops. Cops, police, garda (which sounds bucking dumb AF to me), it's all semantics anyway. Kinda. I guess. Suppose. Sausage rolls.

Your experiences? Yay? Nay? Jay? May? Hay? Gay? Parlay? Pay? Running-out-of-words-here-that-end-in-ay!

endacl · 27-09-2020 2:07pm

Oh Christ....

jaxxx · 27-09-2020 2:08pm

endacl wrote: »

Oh Christ....

I'm bored, leave me alone.

touts · 27-09-2020 2:19pm

I trust them. Know a few. Like any group of people some are extremely nice, some are bastards and you have the spectrum of life in between. BUT I trust them. No matter what a few criminal organizations and their pet politicians and lobby groups try to make out the police here are among the most trustworthy in the world. Every interaction I have had with them has been respectful and honest.

Generally I find those who complain about them are far less trustworthy. Let's put it this way. Who would you like to find your wallet in the street? Your local Garda or someone who complains about how unfair the Gardai are to them.

27-09-2020 2:21pm

I wouldn't trust the majority to tell me the time nor what day of the week it is.

jaxxx · 27-09-2020 2:22pm

6 votes so far and I'm the only one that got the reference. For shame on you all! The reference is more important than the poll, geez!

HeidiHeidi · 27-09-2020 2:24pm

jaxxx wrote: »

6 votes so far and I'm the only one that got the reference. For shame on you all! The reference is more important than the poll, geez!

It's a lovely sunny day out there.

Maybe get out for a long walk and some fresh air.

punisher5112 · 27-09-2020 2:26pm

Great bunch of lads them Chinese

corner of hells · 27-09-2020 2:26pm

jaxxx wrote: »

6 votes so far and I'm the only one that got the reference. For shame on you all! The reference is more important than the poll, geez!

Is it possible you've managed to confuse yourself on your own thread ?

banie01 · 27-09-2020 2:26pm

jaxxx wrote: »

6 votes so far and I'm the only one that got the reference. For shame on you all! The reference is more important than the poll, geez!

Get the reference, doesn't really count when you are the one making it tho.

You tried to make one, that doesn't seem to have landed does it?

touts · 27-09-2020 2:27pm

jaxxx wrote: »

6 votes so far and I'm the only one that got the reference. For shame on you all! The reference is more important than the poll, geez!

Maybe this I'm smarter than you attitude is why the Guards don't like you.

monkeysnapper · 27-09-2020 2:28pm

Every interaction I've had with the garda have been good...

I would always be pleasant with them and respect the work they have to do ... maybe they can sense that respect and in return leave me alone ...

The few times I've had to get something done in barracks I've found them to be helpful.

Hell once my mrs rang local station to ask them if they would check a car we were looking to buy and I thought she had gone crazy ..... and they checked car out and gave us info that car was crashed in an incident a few years previous with minor damage....

I know a couple also who work in different areas and they are generally sound.

banie01 · 27-09-2020 2:29pm

touts wrote: »

Maybe this I'm smarter than you attitude is why the Guards don't like you.

Yeah...
He's a bit of a Malcolm alright!
Lois will clatter the chops off him later, and that's before the Guards get anywhere near him.

Bob24 · 27-09-2020 2:30pm

I don’t trust the opinion of people who refer to our police force as “cops”.

jaxxx · 27-09-2020 2:30pm

touts wrote: »

Maybe this I'm smarter than you attitude is why the Guards don't like you.

The f*ck? It's a reference to Malcolm in the Middle, how the f*ck is that in any way shape or form insinuating any sort of narcissistic "I'm smarter than you" vibes from my part?

27-09-2020 2:30pm

touts wrote: »

I trust them. Know a few. Like any group of people some are extremely nice, some are bastards and you have the spectrum of life in between. BUT I trust them. No matter what a few criminal organizations and their pet politicians and lobby groups try to make out the police here are among the most trustworthy in the world. Every interaction I have had with them has been respectful and honest.

Generally I find those who complain about them are far less trustworthy. Let's put it this way. Who would you like to find your wallet in the street? Your local Garda or someone who complains about how unfair the Gardai are to them.

10/10 for your anecdotal evidence.

27-09-2020 2:32pm

Sawduck · 27-09-2020 2:33pm

I knew a guard who was a total jerk, he was good friends with a local drug dealer and he used to drink and drive a lot. Most people around town didn't trust him at all, this is going back about 10 years. However most other guards I have meet have been friendly

FintanMcluskey · 27-09-2020 2:33pm

To be fair to the Gardai 90% of their daily interactions, especially in cities, with people, are with scumbags who are career wasters.

Ive never had any bad interactions with Gardai despite having recieved many penalty points, late gun licence renewals etc.

Dealing with the public in any capacity is a **** sandwich, more so when in the capacity of a guard.

They do a **** job, with a staggering amount of red tape, and certainly have insanse workloads in the busy districts.

Anyhow, yes I trust them.

bcklschaps · 27-09-2020 2:34pm

No.

yerwanthere123 · 27-09-2020 2:34pm

So embarrassing when an Irish person refers to the Gardaí as "cops".

monkeysnapper · 27-09-2020 2:35pm

jaxxx wrote: »

The f*ck? It's a reference to Malcolm in the Middle, how the f*ck is that in any way shape or form insinuating any sort of narcissistic "I'm smarter than you" vibes from my part?

I can sense from this post why you may be having problems with our local garda.....

Sheeps · 27-09-2020 2:37pm

Depends. I wouldn't trust the Gardaí with my data or privacy. I would likely trust an individual Garda in a random encounter.

Darc19 · 27-09-2020 2:37pm

After my first experience of dealing with gardai last year, I can say absolutely that there are more gardai than you'd like to have that are utterly incompetent, malicious liars and when found out, their colleagues stick with them like blue glue.

But what is worse is their inate lack of ability to simply say "sorry, we got it wrong"

This leads to a large number of cases taken against the state for gardai wrongdoing which believe it or not does not come under the garda ombudsman area.

So whilst many are decent, the culture in garda stations means that the incompetent ones are rarely disciplined due to the blue glue of all gardai sticking together.

jaxxx · 27-09-2020 2:37pm

monkeysnapper wrote: »

I can sense from this post why you may be having problems with our local garda.....

A for deductive effort.

F for result..

bcklschaps · 27-09-2020 2:41pm

jaxxx wrote: »

The f*ck? It's a reference to Malcolm in the Middle, how the f*ck is that in any way shape or form insinuating any sort of narcissistic "I'm smarter than you" vibes from my part?

Easy on there tiger. This is a Sunday morning/afternoon chat thread. (Started by you, but no longer yours alone)....

F bombs are not cool..on Sundays...(or any day for that matter)

Gatling · 27-09-2020 2:42pm

Once got stopped at a check point minus a license plate and amongst others things ,had a lovely chat with a lady garda from cork , who kindly informed me I could lose my car and end up in court with points added to my license ,

But this lovey lass let me go on my way , with nothing more than make sure you get a new plate and other things sorted ,

Been subscribed to the Garda road traffic twitter for a good while and thanks to this Garda I wasn't one of these poor sods losing their cars and ending up in court

jaxxx · 27-09-2020 2:46pm

bcklschaps wrote: »

Easy on there tiger. This is a Sunday morning/afternoon chat thread. (Started by you, but no longer yours alone)....

F bombs are not cool..on Sundays...(or any day for that matter)

Must have missed the PSA which named you judge and jury.. .. .. Damn these glasses, need to go to Specsavers me thinks.

Darc19 wrote: »

After my first experience of dealing with gardai last year, I can say absolutely that there are more gardai than you'd like to have that are utterly incompetent, malicious liars and when found out, their colleagues stick with them like blue glue.

But what is worse is their inate lack of ability to simply say "sorry, we got it wrong"

This leads to a large number of cases taken against the state for gardai wrongdoing which believe it or not does not come under the garda ombudsman area.

So whilst many are decent, the culture in garda stations means that the incompetent ones are rarely disciplined due to the blue glue of all gardai sticking together.

I think it's like that worldwide. Always having each others backs in cases when they know they're in the wrong or they know their colleagues are abusing their power, etc. I mean, it seems a lot (by no means all, not even most) just become police just for the abuse of power. Well that's obvious.

27-09-2020 2:49pm

Darc19 wrote: »

After my first experience of dealing with gardai last year, I can say absolutely that there are more gardai than you'd like to have that are utterly incompetent, malicious liars and when found out, their colleagues stick with them like blue glue.

But what is worse is their inate lack of ability to simply say "sorry, we got it wrong"

This leads to a large number of cases taken against the state for gardai wrongdoing which believe it or not does not come under the arda ombudsman area.

So whilst many are decent, the culture in garda stations means that the incompetent ones are rarely disciplined due to the blue glue of all gardai sticking together.

This is precisely the problem. While many Gardai may do the job to the best of their ability, they turn a blind eye to wrongdoing, which in turn makes them complicit.

A fella I know wanted to be a Garda since he was 4/5 and nothing else ever crossed his mind. He was a brilliant footballer and turned down trials with Championship clubs over in England. He graduated from Templemore and lasted six months. He couldn't hack the aforementioned culture. He reported a couple of incidences to his superior and was just brushed off.

jaxxx · 27-09-2020 2:51pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This is precisely the problem. While many Gardai may do the job to the best of their ability, they turn a blind eye to wrongdoing, which in turn makes them complicit.

A fella I know wanted to be a Garda since he was 4/5 and nothing else ever crossed his mind. He was a brilliant footballer and turned down trials with Championship clubs over in England. He graduated from Templemore and lasted six months. He couldn't hack the aforementioned culture. He reported a couple of incidences to his superior and was just brushed off.

No accountability. That's a plague rampant through all public services.

Oops! · 27-09-2020 2:52pm

Like every walk of life there's good and bad people at their jobs....

But as has been mentioned already the uniform never comes off and a bad one is some f**kin dose, the worse type of person with a bit of power...

It's a fairly closed shop when it comes to transparency, as has been shown on a good few occasions, but any of them putting themselves forward for the job are welcome to it, wouldn't be for me... They deal with the scum of the place and sh*t suitations and enviroments in an out of the station.

jaxxx · 27-09-2020 2:56pm

Oops! wrote: »

Like every walk of life there's good and bad people at their jobs....

But as has been mentioned already the uniform never comes off and a bad one is some f**kin dose, the worse type of person with a bit of power...

It's a fairly closed shop when it comes to transparency, as has been shown on a good few occasions, but any of them putting themselves forward for the job are welcome to it, wouldn't be for me... They deal with the scum of the place and sh*t suitations and enviroments in an out of the station.

You know that gets me thinking about a vid on Youtube I saw recently. Was one of these staged events on random people type things. It was in some coffee shop or cafe, with a customer harassing the cashier because he was Muslim. He was serving a soldier at the time and his response to the harassing customer was "I wear the uniform so that people can come here and live free", or something like that. That's a proper mentality to have. Wish there were more people worldwide with similar attitudes.

Necro · 27-09-2020 2:59pm

Mod:

Enough of the petty back and forth folks. Keep it civil and stay on topic. Thanks.

Tom Mann Centuria · 27-09-2020 3:02pm

Yes I trust the police in this country, and also the UK. Further afield I've had no interactions with them, so I don't vouch for them.

I also loved Live PD and was gutted when it got taken off the air :pac:

Beltby · 27-09-2020 3:05pm

I've seen a lot of sh1tty behaviour over the years from them. From crashing into my dad as they were overtaking him as he was turning right, and then prosecuting him, to trying to stitch up a family member over a killing.

And when they were called for various things over the years, useless. They never wanted to know.

Nowadays if someone commits a crime against me, I deal with it myself.

_Kaiser_ · 27-09-2020 3:10pm

As individuals, Gardai are like any others - from genuine, decent and hard-working to lazy and ignorant. As an organisation though, AGS is not fit for purpose and should be rebuilt from the ground up. Unaccountable, nepotistic, not at all public-focused, and they have lost a lot of credibility and support over the years because of this and the various scandals - particularly the McCabe saga, penalty points wiping and the inflated breath tests debacle.

jrosen · 27-09-2020 3:11pm

Ive no personal reason not to trust police in general but I also know members of the force who would tell me im naive.

RobertKK · 27-09-2020 3:14pm

Most of the Gardai are very professional and do a top job. The ones who don't shouldn't be allowed to taint the good ones.

Galwayguy35 · 27-09-2020 3:16pm

jaxxx wrote: »

I don't. Not one bit. Maybe I've been watching too many negative cop experience videos on Youtubez. I dunno. Like I've had all of.. 6 interactions with cops in my life? 2 were for Garda vetting. The rest were just routine traffic checkpoints. Never been pulled over or anything like that. At least half of those experiences they were very unpleasant, not at all civil and just general dicks. If I were ever pulled over, as soon as the engine was switched off, I'd whip out the phone recording every second, just for my own safety, not for posting to Youpornz.

Yes I'm using cops. Cops, police, garda (which sounds bucking dumb AF to me), it's all semantics anyway. Kinda. I guess. Suppose. Sausage rolls.

Your experiences? Yay? Nay? Jay? May? Hay? Gay? Parlay? Pay? Running-out-of-words-here-that-end-in-ay!

So you're one of those annoying people who gets the phone out to record Gardai.

Wouldn't blame them if they weren't civil to you after that.

jaxxx · 27-09-2020 3:20pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So you're one of those annoying people who gets the phone out to record Gardai.

Wouldn't blame them if they weren't civil to you after that.

Because I don't trust them to do the right thing by me or even follow the very law they're supposed to enforce, nor anyone else of positions of authority for that matter. And I'm not one of those people cos it has never happened to me, had you actually read what I said properly. I would be one of those people if it ever did, but only as a means of defence for myself, not to go posting it on Youtube, AGAIN as I said in the OP.

JasonStatham · 27-09-2020 3:22pm

jaxxx wrote: »

I don't. Not one bit. Maybe I've been watching too many negative cop experience videos on Youtubez. I dunno. Like I've had all of.. 6 interactions with cops in my life? 2 were for Garda vetting. The rest were just routine traffic checkpoints. Never been pulled over or anything like that. At least half of those experiences they were very unpleasant, not at all civil and just general dicks. If I were ever pulled over, as soon as the engine was switched off, I'd whip out the phone recording every second, just for my own safety, not for posting to Youpornz.

Yes I'm using cops. Cops, police, garda (which sounds bucking dumb AF to me), it's all semantics anyway. Kinda. I guess. Suppose. Sausage rolls.

Your experiences? Yay? Nay? Jay? May? Hay? Gay? Parlay? Pay? Running-out-of-words-here-that-end-in-ay!

Ready for school tomorrow?

Beltby · 27-09-2020 3:23pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So you're one of those annoying people who gets the phone out to record Gardai.

Wouldn't blame them if they weren't civil to you after that.

Why wouldn't they be civil? They applied for the job knowing well that they'd be dealing with the public. If they are carrying out their jobs correctly, they shouldn't be worried about someone filming.

Would you apply your own logic if a Garda was wearing a body cam? Would you not be civil to them?

jaxxx · 27-09-2020 3:26pm

Beltby wrote: »

Why wouldn't they be civil? They applied for the job knowing well that they'd be dealing with the public. If they are carrying out their jobs correctly, they shouldn't be worried about someone filming.

Would you apply your own logic if a Garda was wearing a body cam? Would you not be civil to them?

Speaking of, how are body cams dispersed today? Do all officers have them while out on patrol?

Jimmy Twotimes · 27-09-2020 3:31pm

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

So embarrassing when an Irish person refers to the Gardaí as "cops".

Even worse when they say 'shades'. That is so, so cringey.

Never had a problem with the guards but then I'm not a criminal, I'm not an entitled weed smoker with persecution complex. Feels good to be a responsible adult.

But yeah I get it, some black guy got wasted in a gettho in America and now I'm supposed to hate the guards.

Beltby · 27-09-2020 3:33pm

jaxxx wrote: »

Speaking of, how are body cams dispersed today? Do all officers have them while out on patrol?

I've no idea. They should all have them imo.

imme · 27-09-2020 3:39pm

You sound lovely OP, a lovely person to deal with.

Gardai are not out there to annoy you.

Recording a routine traffic stop by Gardai, who would be a Garda with this type of crap.

jaxxx · 27-09-2020 3:43pm

imme wrote: »

You sound lovely OP, a lovely person to deal with.

Gardai are not out there to annoy you.

Recording a routine traffic stop by Gardai, who would be a Garda with this type of crap.

Have people lost the ability to actually read? I didn't say I'd record routine traffic stops, I said I'd record if I were ever to be pulled over, simply so as though I'd have something to defend myself if something were to go pear shaped.

Jimmy Twotimes · 27-09-2020 3:46pm

jaxxx wrote: »

Have people lost the ability to actually read? I didn't say I'd record routine traffic stops, I said I'd record if I were ever to be pulled over, simply so as though I'd have something to defend myself if something were to go pear shaped.

Seriously, how paranoid are you?

Church on Tuesday · 27-09-2020 3:50pm

Yes I do, I'm not a 15 year old edgelord.

The Gardaí are there for our own protection, there are always going to be a few bad apples but there are bad apples everywhere in every walk in life.

IAMAMORON · 27-09-2020 3:51pm

They will be monitoring your internet activity from now on Op.

Good luck with that..... lololololol.:p:p

jaxxx · 27-09-2020 3:51pm

Jimmy Twotimes wrote: »

Seriously, how paranoid are you?

I don't trust people to act in the best interests of others. How is that paranoia?

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