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2020 NFL season - Week 5 thread

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  • #202
    Blut2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭Blut2


    eagle eye wrote: »
    He wasn't near the top five last year unless you are going on passing yards where he finished second to Jameis Winston. Are you ranking Jameis highly?

    I'd put him in a bracket that includes Derek Carr and Matthew Stafford.

    He wasn't near the top five.

    I'll take Wilson, Mahomes, Rodgers, Jackson, Brees, Allen, Brady and Tannehill ahead of him without question.

    Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Favre, Marino, Elway, Rivers, Roethlisberger and Warner all.played top level well past the age of 33 and that's just off the top of my head.

    If you're seriously arguing this season that you'd take Brady, Brees or Tannehill ahead of how Dak was performing then I don't know what to say to you, other than "watch more football".

    They all played top level after 33, but all of them were better at age 31 than age 36. And they're obviously extreme outliers - you've listed probably the top 10QBs in the last three decades in the NFL, out of hundreds of QBs. All of them were performing at a far higher level than Dalton is when they were 32.

    The data on QB peak performance age doesn't lie, its completely accepted:

    "with players’ peak ages ranging from 24 for running backs to 28 for most offensive linemen and quarterbacks. " -- https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-nfl-is-no-league-for-old-men/

    "a quarterback’s peak age is 25 for all but one of the stats, with 26 to 28 not far behind. There seems to be a steep, upward trend at the beginning of a quarterback’s career, and a gentler fall from their peak." -- https://bleacherreport.com/articles/215283-nfl-aging-curves-by-position-rookie-qbs-third-year-wrs-and-age-30-rbs

    "The graph shows that a typical QB should peak at age 29" - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/des.htm

    etc. Its not my idle speculation.


  • #203
    boccy23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭boccy23


    boccy23 wrote: »
    41-22 so far.

    Buccaneers @ Bears L
    Cardinals @ Jets W
    Panthers @ Falcons W
    Bengals @ Ravens W
    Jaguars@ Texans W
    Raiders @ Chiefs L
    Eagles @ Steelers W
    Rams @ Washington W
    Bills @ Titans L
    Dolphins @ 49ers L
    Giants @ Cowboys W
    Broncos @ Patriots
    Colts @ Browns W
    Vikings @ Seahawks W
    Chargers @ Saints W

    Most of this weeks games seem obvious. Watch me go 4-11! :)

    10-4 this week. Makes it 51-26 so far.


  • #204
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    Blut2 wrote: »
    If you're seriously arguing this season that you'd take Brady, Brees or Tannehill ahead of how Dak was performing then I don't know what to say to you, other than "watch more football".

    They all played top level after 33, but all of them were better at age 31 than age 36. And they're obviously extreme outliers - you've listed probably the top 10QBs in the last three decades in the NFL, out of hundreds of QBs. All of them were performing at a far higher level than Dalton is when they were 32.

    The data on QB peak performance age doesn't lie, its completely accepted:

    "with players’ peak ages ranging from 24 for running backs to 28 for most offensive linemen and quarterbacks. " -- https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-nfl-is-no-league-for-old-men/

    "a quarterback’s peak age is 25 for all but one of the stats, with 26 to 28 not far behind. There seems to be a steep, upward trend at the beginning of a quarterback’s career, and a gentler fall from their peak." -- https://bleacherreport.com/articles/215283-nfl-aging-curves-by-position-rookie-qbs-third-year-wrs-and-age-30-rbs

    "The graph shows that a typical QB should peak at age 29" - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/articles/des.htm

    etc. Its not my idle speculation.

    That poster has some weird issue with Dak, so I wouldn't take the comments seriously.

    Last offseason they claimed that if Mike White was given a run of games he could show that he was the better QB on the Cowboys roster. That same Mike White was cut later that offseason and the Cowboys didn't even try to bring him onto their practice squad. He is currently on the Jets practice squad.


  • #205
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,938 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Blut2 wrote:
    If you're seriously arguing this season that you'd take Brady, Brees or Tannehill ahead of how Dak was performing then I don't know what to say to you, other than "watch more football".
    I've probably watched more football in the last week than you, in the last month, in the last year, in the last decade and in the last 35 years.
    Blut2 wrote:
    etc. Its not my idle speculation.
    When was Drew Brees best statistical season? 2018
    Tom Brady's second best? 2016
    Peyton's second best was 2013.
    I've only searched three.


  • #206
    Blut2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭Blut2


    :rolleyes: right, you know better than all of the decades of stats in pro-football so. You should write into fivethirtyeight, bleacher report and every other statistical analysis site out there and correct them on the error of their ways.

    Foxtrol's take on you seems to be correct.


  • #207
    Lionbacker
    Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Lionbacker


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    The state of the short highlights sometimes.

    They showed the drive then they completely ignore the kick/doink and straight into the OT. Nonsense.
    ScrubsfanChris wrote: »
    Didn't even show how the Chargers were stopped in overtime, 1st & 10 after the field goal then "video over"

    Every 2nd comment is about how much of a sh*t show the highlights have been this year.
    I've watch some games that decided touchdowns are not wort showing? Like wtf?

    Just on this, NFL took down that video & re-uploaded it with the missing highlights now included.
    Fair play to them, that they took the comments on board & re-edited it, but it should'nt have happened in the first place.


  • #208
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,938 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Blut2 wrote:
    right, you know better than all of the decades of stats in pro-football so. You should write into fivethirtyeight, bleacher report and every other statistical analysis site out there and correct them on the error of their ways.
    I just showed you three recent examples of great QBs having some of their very best seasons well past the age of 29 or even 33.
    The most important stat is wins and losses. I know that's not all on the QB but 39-27 isn't spectacular by any stretch.
    Andy Dalton who you think is crap is 70-61-2.


  • #209
    Realt Dearg Sec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,902 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »
    47-16 coming in

    Buccaneers @ Bears
    Cardinals @ Jets
    Panthers @ Falcons
    Bengals @ Ravens
    Jaguars @ Texans
    Raiders @ Chiefs
    Eagles @ Steelers
    Rams @ Washington
    Bills @ Titans
    Dolphins @ 49ers
    Giants @ Cowboys
    Broncos @ Patriots
    Colts @ Browns
    Vikings @ Seahawks
    Chargers @ Saints

    9-5
    56-21 overall


  • #210
    Whitters22
    Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Whitters22


    Whitters22 wrote: »
    42-21 for the season.

    Buccaneers @ Bears
    Cardinals @ Jets
    Panthers @ Falcons
    Bengals @ Ravens
    Jaguars @ Texans
    Raiders @ Chiefs
    Eagles @ Steelers
    Rams @ Washington
    Bills @ Titans
    Dolphins @ 49ers
    Giants @ Cowboys
    Broncos @ Patriots
    Colts @ Browns
    Vikings @ Seahawks
    Chargers @ Saints

    Feel like the Chiefs are yet to hit top gear even though they are 100% after a tough opening schedule on paper. They can essentially clinch the division this Sunday with a win.

    8-6 disaster of a week. Thought I had the Titans but so be it.


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  • #211
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    That poster has some weird issue with Dak, so I wouldn't take the comments seriously.

    Last offseason they claimed that if Mike White was given a run of games he could show that he was the better QB on the Cowboys roster. That same Mike White was cut later that offseason and the Cowboys didn't even try to bring him onto their practice squad. He is currently on the Jets practice squad.

    Jarrett Stidham could do a job for the Cowboys.


  • #212
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Lionbacker wrote: »
    Just on this, NFL took down that video & re-uploaded it with the missing highlights now included.
    Fair play to them, that they took the comments on board & re-edited it, but it should'nt have happened in the first place.

    Fair dues. I thought I was going mad watching it.


  • #213
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Fair dues. I thought I was going mad watching it.

    I was on to them this morning about gamepass missing the first chargers TD and fair play they got back to me within half an hour last night.


  • #214
    Paleface
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,930 ✭✭✭Paleface


    Paleface wrote: »
    45 - 18 for the season.

    Buccaneers @ Bears
    Cardinals @ Jets
    Panthers @ Falcons
    Bengals @ Ravens
    Jaguars @ Texans
    Raiders @ Chiefs
    Eagles @ Steelers
    Rams @ Washington
    Bills @ Titans
    Dolphins @ 49ers
    Giants @ Cowboys
    Broncos @ Patriots
    Colts @ Browns
    Vikings @ Seahawks
    Chargers @ Saints

    9 - 5 which brings me to 54 - 23 for the season.


  • #215
    TheDoctor
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    TheDoctor wrote: »
    42-21 for the season

    Buccaneers @ Bears
    Cardinals @ Jets
    Panthers @ Falcons
    Bengals @ Ravens
    Jaguars@ Texans
    Raiders @ Chiefs
    Eagles @ Steelers
    Rams @ Washington
    Bills @ Titans
    49ers
    Giants @ Cowboys
    Broncos @ Patriots
    Colts @ Browns
    Vikings @ Seahawks
    Chargers @ Saints

    9-5 for the week

    51-26 for the season


  • #216
    conor222
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭conor222


    9-5 on the week brings me to 52 - 25 on the season
    conor222 wrote: »
    43-20 coming in.


    Buccaneers @ Bears
    Cardinals @ Jets
    Panthers @ Falcons
    Bengals @ Ravens
    Jaguars @ Texans
    Raiders @ Chiefs
    Eagles @ Steelers
    Rams @ Washington
    Bills @ Titans
    Dolphins @ 49ers
    Giants @ Cowboys
    Broncos @ Patriots
    Colts @ Browns
    Vikings @ Seahawks
    Chargers @ Saints


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