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  • #252
    Mulbert
    Registered Users Posts: 494 ✭✭Mulbert


    https://twitter.com/damienwlr/status/1392573710490611718?s=19


  • #253
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    https://mobile.twitter.com/damienwlr/status/1392573710490611718


  • #254
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Someone’s head needs to roll over this


  • #255
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,889 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    This City is cursed

    Serious serious questions need to be asked and people given the p45s


  • #256
    dzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    Some of the comments on DT Facebook saying the council have had a stroke pulled on them and the retail will not go ahead but it will be appartments??


  • #257
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Only we could catch a virus at precisely the worst moment possible. On the other hand had it already been built or part built we could have had our very own Ferrybank Shopping Mausoleum.


  • #258
    friendlyfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    We're basically the Detroit of Ireland.


  • #259
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    friendlyfun wrote: »
    We're basically the Detroit of Ireland.

    Where's our MC5 or Iggy Pop?!


  • #260
    friendlyfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Where's our MC5 or Iggy Pop?!

    Who needs Iggy Pop when we have Gilbert O'Sullivan


  • #261
    dzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    friendlyfun wrote: »
    We're basically the Detroit of Ireland.

    Merthyr Tydfil more like


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  • #262
    DLS_75
    Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭DLS_75


    dzilla wrote: »
    Some of the comments on DT Facebook saying the council have had a stroke pulled on them and the retail will not go ahead but it will be appartments??

    Must be true so.


  • #263
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,889 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    DLS_75 wrote: »
    Must be true so.

    Everything that closes in Waterford seems to be 'Ah sure there turning that into apartments'


  • #264
    Gardner
    Registered Users Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭Gardner


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Everything that closes in Waterford seems to be 'Ah sure there turning that into apartments'

    Causeway group turning the upper levels of Broad Street Centre into apartments already. Nothing new here


  • #265
    Aquos76
    Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 9,045 Mod ✭✭✭✭Aquos76


    So Rob was asked to stay quiet

    https://twitter.com/Robcass78/status/1392592734070902786


  • #266
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,905 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Aquos76 wrote:
    So Rob was asked to stay quiet

    What the hell is going on there I wonder?


  • #267
    Asdfgh2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    What the hell is going on there I wonder?

    Maybe he is just a fictional character, has anyone ever seen or heard Rob Cass in person .....it’s the easiest thing in the world to set up Facebook/Twitter account and post stuff/utter sh1te......the next thing we will see is a massive ‘for sale’ sign somewhere on ferrybank dual carriageway and falcon/allo-care profiting on their purchase of the site (which nobody is sure has actually taken place.) having had it gifted to them by the council


  • #268
    friendlyfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    Wonder will John Cummins claim this loss as he's well able to claim the wins


  • #269
    914
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭914


    The latest on the NQ's highlights the need for a stand alone University even further. I know there is a separate thread on Waterford University but a stand alone University is what will deliver these kind of developments.

    €80 million funding announced yesterday for Universities (not TU's), not mention of DTU or MTU.

    This is the kind of investment that TU's will miss out on https://abven.com/university-bridge-fund/news/atlantic-bridge-launches-university-bridge-fund-ii-to-invest-euro80m-in-next-generation-of-global-companies-built-from-world-class-irish-research-and-innovation/

    Why the stand alone University is so important.

    1 will deliver teaching hospital, 24/7 cardiac care guaranteed

    2 like the funding above, greater investment, greater FDI, which brings the need for developments like NQs

    3 increased student numbers, greater need for retail, brings the need for Michael St retail

    4 greater increase in funding, FDI, developments around Waterford brings a greater need for runway extension at Waterford Airport

    Just compare Waterford to the University cities and their development, Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway.

    All we have had here is plan after plan with no output. Bilberry site, Michael/Newgate St centre, NQ's.

    Stand alone University is critical and our political dummies don't seem to get it


  • #270
    Muttley79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭Muttley79


    Waterford has been badly let down of four major issues here which is the collage,airport,hospital and now north quays.watetford needs the government to step in and come up with a complete regeneration scheme like what limerick has got.until then this county,city,region is going nowhere and will continue to lag for generations


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  • #271
    Gardner
    Registered Users Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭Gardner


    Where's the thread here that was closed? I wouldn't mind going back over some of the comments from that.


  • #272
    Gardner
    Registered Users Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭Gardner


    Actually found it there. Gave a quick read over 20 pages or so in the middle of it and I called it many times. Cass failed on every occasion to answer me about the tenders for consultants / potential vendors and how he claimed he was offering 92% of the budget yet the remaining 8% tranche was used as the stumbling block on many occasions. That right wing nut job vriesmays called it also in a few posts. 3 years on and everything he said is actually fact. Well worth a few hours today to read back through it.
    Harry Palmr and Aquos76 have as much egg on their face today as little boy Johnny Cummins with the absolute bown nosing they did to Cass on the thread :)

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057719907


  • #273
    friendlyfun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    Just an a ad on the radio encouraging people to use the new bridge lol


  • #274
    BBM77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭BBM77


    Lads will ye take a cold shower for yourselves. With the infrastructure works redevelopment of the site is certain to happen.


  • #275
    JimWinters
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭JimWinters


    Building materials have increase massively due to Brexit and COVID production slump. 30% on to at 450m project would add significant cost. https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0508/1217765-construction-costs-rising/

    Added to that, COVID has accelerated retail decline and move to online and also hit demand for office space with working from home to become a lot more prevalent.

    The project has to change because of all of this. DT said it’s not going ahead as currently constituted. Hopefully it’s still going ahead, hopefully in phases, hopefully it’s not dropped completely.

    The council, and Falcon have spent a huge amount of money on this project to date. Let’s see what’s said today...


  • #276
    jelutong
    Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭jelutong


    BBM77 wrote: »
    Lads will ye take a cold shower for yourselves. With the infrastructure works redevelopment of the site is certain to happen.

    What infrastructure?


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  • #277
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Deise Today. Right now.


  • #278
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Cullinane thinks "plan A" is doubtful but other options available. Councilor Eamon Quinn now on says infrastructure spend secure.


  • #279
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,905 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    sounds like something is still in the plans, so that good, we really do need something to happen there, we need something to drag us outta covid


  • #280
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Walsh briefing council this afternoon so we'll hear something soon enough. It's clear that it's not going to be much like those visualisations and graphics.


  • #281
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,905 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Walsh briefing council this afternoon so we'll hear something soon enough. It's clear that it's not going to be much like those visualisations and graphics.

    ...but at least it ll be something, and not remain to be a derelict site, it also sounds like the state funding is still there for it, which is great, that infrastructure alone will be worth every cent it ll cost


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  • #282
    hardybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    I didn't hear the options proposed, but it would be understandable and probably welcome if the developer wanted to press ahead with a greater amount of residential development than originally planned.

    I've long held a concern that the retail space proposed for the NQ could jeopardise the existing city centre, which is already fragmented as it is.

    I'm also not sure if the 'all or nothing' approach which appears to be coming across from the developer is in the long term interests of the Council. Perhaps they'd be better off to split the development into 2-3 zones - residential, commercial and public transport, and let prospective developers bid for each.


  • #283
    dzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    Rob Cass is on DT atm to say its all still good to go from his perspective. Described Falcon and the council as being a couple about to get married and just having some nerves before they go up the alter.


  • #284
    Crusty Blaa
    Registered Users Posts: 341 ✭✭Crusty Blaa


    dzilla wrote: »
    Rob Cass is on DT atm to say its all still good to go from his perspective. Described Falcon and the council as being a couple about to get married and just having some nerves before they go up the alter.

    Beggars belief that there has been no communication between the council & Cass/Falcon over the last few months. Something is not adding up


  • #285
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Well that was interesting from Rob Cass. Sounds like the investment was on a knife edge for a while. Damien Tiernan not helping in that interview jumping about between detail points on the hoof.


  • #286
    dzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    Crusty Blaa wrote: »
    Beggars belief that there has been no communication between the council & Cass/Falcon over the last few months. Something is not adding up

    Yeah i couldnt really understand all the investment jargon etc but think by his own admittance they had to hold back as when they sign they have a timelimit to get started and the covid construction delays would eat into that. Again that is my understanding of what he said
    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Well that was interesting from Rob Cass. Sounds like the investment was on a knife edge for a while. Damien Tiernan not helping in that interview jumping about between detail points on the hoof.

    Yea funding from Falcon board of trustees/financiers approved this morning as there was a freeze on it. Again I am not really sure of all the jargon.

    Damien Tiernan can be too pas aggressive and eager to get to the point at times and this was one of them interviews where I noticed this. Just leave the man speak and stop nit picking on everything he is saying. Rob made a light hearted reference about "loving his county" and Tiernan picked it up all wrong and pulled him up on it, just sounded a bit awkward.

    I do think Tiernan is good for that show however, he asks the hard questions.


  • #287
    Crusty Blaa
    Registered Users Posts: 341 ✭✭Crusty Blaa


    dzilla wrote: »
    Yeah i couldnt really understand all the investment jargon etc but think by his own admittance they had to hold back as when they sign they have a timelimit to get started and the covid construction delays would eat into that. Again that is my understanding of what he said



    Yea funding from Falcon board of trustees/financiers approved this morning as there was a freeze on it. Again I am not really sure of all the jargon.

    Damien Tiernan can be too pas aggressive and eager to get to the point at times and this was one of them interviews where I noticed this. Just leave the man speak and stop nit picking on everything he is saying. Rob made a light hearted reference about "loving his county" and Tiernan picked it up all wrong and pulled him up on it, just sounded a bit awkward.

    I do think Tiernan is good for that show however, he asks the hard questions.

    100% agree regarding the awkwardness he created with that comment. No need for it and set the tone for a stand offish interview. Tiernan then went on to reference a Tom Cruise movie. Bit of an ejit at the best of times.


  • #288
    Dexpat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Dexpat


    dzilla wrote: »
    Yeah i couldnt really understand all the investment jargon etc but think by his own admittance they had to hold back as when they sign they have a timelimit to get started and the covid construction delays would eat into that. Again that is my understanding of what he said



    Yea funding from Falcon board of trustees/financiers approved this morning as there was a freeze on it. Again I am not really sure of all the jargon.

    Damien Tiernan can be too pas aggressive and eager to get to the point at times and this was one of them interviews where I noticed this. Just leave the man speak and stop nit picking on everything he is saying. Rob made a light hearted reference about "loving his county" and Tiernan picked it up all wrong and pulled him up on it, just sounded a bit awkward.

    I do think Tiernan is good for that show however, he asks the hard questions.

    Thanks for the update. I didn't get a chance to listen.
    Confusing if Falcon are still interested. WTF is going on?
    More waiting... at least things seem to be coming to a head.


  • #289
    dzilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭dzilla


    Dexpat wrote: »
    Thanks for the update. I didn't get a chance to listen.
    Confusing if Falcon are still interested. WTF is going on?
    More waiting... at least things seem to be coming to a head.

    https://www.spreaker.com/user/wlrfm/deise-today-thursday-13th-may-part-2?utm_medium=widget&utm_source=user%3A11231943&utm_term=episode_title

    This is the interview for all who want to listen.


  • #290
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    The plenary council meeting is streamed on youtube. Don't know when kick off is though.

    https://www.youtube.com/c/WaterfordCouncil


  • #291
    Paddy@CIRL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Paddy@CIRL


    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1392813932264443904?s=20


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  • #292
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Jasus, bad news travels fast out of Waterford doesn't it?


  • #293
    jimbojazz
    Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭jimbojazz


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Jasus, bad news travels fast out of Waterford doesn't it?

    Michael Walsh gave his statement to the council meeting just there but didn't offer any real insight to the outcome other than to say that he thinks it's unlikely Falcon will meet their obligations by 5pm Saturday, but that they were also told by Falcon that they would have funding evidence in the form of a term sheet (i think that's what he said) later today, as also stated by Rob Cass

    They will reconvene on Monday at 9am after Saturday's 5pm deadline and will make further comment then.

    So the question now is, is what Robb Cass stated on WLR earlier correct or are the Council correct in their understanding of where it stands?

    The plot thickens!


  • #294
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Fecks sake, I wish the start of this had been better flagged.


  • #295
    Dexpat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Dexpat


    After listening to the Rob Cass interview I'd agree that DT should have let him finish his points a bit more. He still seems very committed and was sure the funding was available to deliver the project but seemed worried that the council are about to pull the rug from under them.

    I suppose you can't blame Michael Walsh and the council for that after all the pressure that was put on them and the government to deliver their end, only for Falcon to sit on the contract.

    One worrying element is that Rob Cass said that the infrastructure funding from the governement was dependent on the developer being in place as well. If that's the case then you'd hope the council have other developers line up if they ditch Falcon.


  • #296
    E38E3E38E3EE33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭E38E3E38E3EE33


    I haven't listened to the interview, but from looking at Rob 's twitter feed from the last few months, it seems like he's turned into a Paddy Cosgrave.


  • #297
    mart 23
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭mart 23


    I would wonder if Mr Cass and his friends are looking for much more favourable contract terms. They appear to have WCCC by the balls at the moment.


  • #298
    Christy Browne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭Christy Browne


    I'm not sure who has who by the balls, but it seems like both sides are grand-standing and playing games trying to get the other to blink first. After listening to Rob on WLR it's hard to know what to believe. I hope it goes ahead as originally planned but you can't blame the council for wanting to give it a kick up the arse either. Hopefully cool heads prevail.


  • #299
    hardybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    Dexpat wrote: »
    After listening to the Rob Cass interview I'd agree that DT should have let him finish his points a bit more. He still seems very committed and was sure the funding was available to deliver the project but seemed worried that the council are about to pull the rug from under them.

    I suppose you can't blame Michael Walsh and the council for that after all the pressure that was put on them and the government to deliver their end, only for Falcon to sit on the contract.

    One worrying element is that Rob Cass said that the infrastructure funding from the governement was dependent on the developer being in place as well. If that's the case then you'd hope the council have other developers line up if they ditch Falcon.

    In fairness to Cass I'd say he is genuinely doing his best to get this done. Whether the company behind him are as supportive as he is remains unclear.


  • #300
    obi604
    Registered Users Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭obi604


    Paddy@CIRL wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1392813932264443904?s=20




    jaysus, this thread was started 17 years ago !!


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  • #301
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Dexpat wrote: »
    After listening to the Rob Cass interview I'd agree that DT should have let him finish his points a bit more. He still seems very committed and was sure the funding was available to deliver the project but seemed worried that the council are about to pull the rug from under them.

    I suppose you can't blame Michael Walsh and the council for that after all the pressure that was put on them and the government to deliver their end, only for Falcon to sit on the contract.

    One worrying element is that Rob Cass said that the infrastructure funding from the government was dependent on the developer being in place as well. If that's the case then you'd hope the council have other developers line up if they ditch Falcon.

    I took that to be concern that if they signed off the clock was ticking but with Covid market conditions in place they (Falcon) were not going to commit.
    What we probably need for a quick resolution is a down payment, as a gesture of good will as much as anything.


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