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Classic insurance - companies & brokers

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭dubtom


    I got my insurence through Goggans with Hibernian. It's been a pain.I imported the car from the UK so was waiting a while for the DVLA cert to come through, took about five weeks from when I bought the car.I was waiting a while for my ncb to come from my company and in the meantime Goggans contacted me to say that Hibernian wanted an extra 25 euro on top of the 600 odd I had already paid. This was because of the delay in the info coming through. Fair enough I said, that was nearly 6 weeks ago and I still haven't recieved my policy, no policy, no tax.So now I can expecty to have to pay back tax on the car because I brought it in August, I know it's cheap to tax in the first place but it's justannoying at this stage. Next year, or soon if I dont get my policy in the next week or so, I'll be going for the no frills 150 euro option.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Abelloid


    In my experience Hibernian are terrible, I was with them for 6 years on my old beetle
    and when it came to buying my new one I rang for a quote and confirmation of cover letter before flying out to England to drive back.
    It took two weeks and many phone calls to get confirmation, eventually I got a hand written fax as I was leaving for the airport :mad:
    It seems some call centre giblet dropped the ball and didn't realise the car was modified, which I had made clear all the way through the fiasco.
    When I arrived back in Cork Hibernian started to try every ridiculous trick they could to cancel the policy, bear in mind I was in for '000s for what was now a garden ornament.
    Eventually I gave up when they rejected an engineers report (a report which they had earlier claimed not recieved) from a Toyota dealership with full test facilities (no local VW dealer had these)
    and cancelled the policy,
    but said if I could maybe get the car to Dublin for testing at another VW dealers- but you cannot drive it !? - they may reconsider.
    "your engineers report says you have 4mm of tread in the rear tyres and only 2.5 in the front- we must cancel the policy" was my favourite :confused:
    Anyway, to cut a long and very frustrating story short- AXA and Carole Nash, so far so good, FBD good quote but no LHD.:)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Package


    does anyone know how old a car has to be to get the classic cover, someone told me 13 years old,,, which would be pre-93, ie ,, 92. which is good news for me, cause as a rpov licence holder im having probs insuring my 2 ltr bmw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭PaulK_CCI


    Package wrote:
    does anyone know how old a car has to be to get the classic cover, someone told me 13 years old,,, which would be pre-93, ie ,, 92. which is good news for me, cause as a rpov licence holder im having probs insuring my 2 ltr bmw.
    To qualify for Classic Car/Limited mileage cover the car would generally need to be between 20 and 25 years old. There are some exceptions if the car is generally considered to be a classic that just happens to have had a fairly long life span. For example the Ford Capri, Mercedes SL, Porsche 911 that were built well up to nineties. You'll find that there is more flexibility with these cars but generally only through a dedicated owners' club...

    But I would think it's highly unlikely that you will manage to insure your 13 your bmw on a classic car scheme.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,752 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    I just looked at the IVS website under the insurance section, and it quotes 3 premiums €150, €170, and €250.

    What's that about?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭Blue850


    3 party, 3p fire and theft, fully comp??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Kersh


    When I enquired about my 911sc for a classic policy (nash), I was told I had to be 30 for a 911, as its a 'special' car to put on a classic policy.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,752 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Blue850 wrote:
    3 party, 3p fire and theft, fully comp??

    I don't think so. It says all premiums for for 3rd party only.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 260 ✭✭69 mustang


    Kersh wrote:
    When I enquired about my 911sc for a classic policy (nash), I was told I had to be 30 for a 911, as its a 'special' car to put on a classic policy.


    Yea Nash gave me a quote for 750 tpf&t then I got the car and they said they wouldn't cover me till I was over 30 so went with AXA for 300 tpf&t:D


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I just looked at the IVS website under the insurance section, and it quotes 3 premiums €150, €170, and €250.

    What's that about?
    Different mileage allowance perchance? I seem to recall the €150 policy only allows 2K miles p/a. Maybe the other rates allow more usage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Kersh


    @ 69 mustang - thats exactly what they did to me!! F*kers.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,752 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    I'm with Carole Nash and have been for years.

    €350 odd for comp. on my Escort MkII RS2000, with a high agreed value, and pan European break down recovery.

    I'm not sure what the max. mileage is 4 or 5k p.a. as I don't get next or near it.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 105 ✭✭ta2kev


    Hi guys, great thread, yery informative. I'm 22 and have a daily driver insured fuly comp. I'm looking at an '89 Golf GTI for a weekend / show car. The two problems I can see are 1) My age and 2) The age of the car. Is there any company who can quote me a decent figure, I was quoted over 5k to insure it as a daily driver. Also I was told that my current no claims bonus doesn't apply because it's a second car, and a second poicy.
    Thanks for any help.


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭beanderb4


    I don't think you will be able to get classic insurance until you hit 25 at a minimum and for some cards this may go up to 30 years old.

    It is also right that you will not get any no claims discount on the second car. You have to work this up.

    Hey, look on the bright side, at 22 you have loads of years left to enjoy your classics!!

    Beanderb4.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 446 ✭✭Eric318


    Thanks to you guys, I got an excellent deal on my insurance policies (3 cars) with First Ireland. The other companies I contacted were an outright waste of time and money. Thanks again.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭giardiniera


    I'm trying to get insurance for my fiat 500 even just as a named driver but i've only got a provisional license and i'm only 24. Is there any company who'll even give me a quote i think i've phoned about 15 so far.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18 only_sideways


    :confused::confused: Can you take out a policy on a non-Irish reg car? I know some companies dont ask questions with temp. transferals from regular policies, but what about a proper classic policy? Younger classics would require an nct (impossible with out a re-reg) where as older classics may only require an engineers report. Would it cause you trouble where vrt is concerned? Has anyone had any hassle?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭giardiniera


    well mine has a northern reg but apparently you can insure it with the old number and when you re-register it you can just switch the cover over.
    mines 42 so its exempt from an nct but i'm not really sure about the practical side of all of this cause its not on the road yet so the fun will start in about 3 weeks. hopefully it'll all go well tho.


  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭dodgygeezer


    I'm sorry to introduce a whiff of dodginess on this civilised forum but can anybody tell me how diligent their insurance companies are when asking for documentation....or is it very much a case of when they've got your cash they're happy? Is it all mainly over the phone or do they ask you for faxes of your license and evidence of other insurance policies?


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 demc7


    I realise that the age limit is 25, but what is the story if I get somebody over that age insured on the car, and then get myself put on as a named driver? I'm 18 and the car in question is a Corvette.
    Thanks guys


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭overdriver


    Far as I know, companies are dog-wide to all the strokes. they have seen it all bfore, and know what you're up to a lot of the time when you try something.
    The worrying part is that they operate on the basis of uberima fidei - the utmost good faith. In other words, you try pull a stroke, and they may let you, but will void your cover if anything happens and even send out an investigator to prove what they suspect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,096 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    I had a '67 Merc 250S insured through Carole Nash but the policy was underwritten by Royal and Sun Alliance.

    In mid Feb my wife opened the car door without doing a "lifesaver" check and a truck virtually took the door off it's hinges (Mrs A thankfully shaken but unharmed!)

    It took until June for the insurance to settle even though I was fully comp - they wanted me to pay 25% of teh repair bill. The basis of this was that the door was nearly 40 years old and a new door would "improve" the car, leaving me better off than before the accident, which they couldn't allow! The autorised body shop that I was told to use were utterly and totally hopeless as well.

    After I threatened to take them to the Ombudsman and sue thier sorry behinds they rolled over and settled in full but it was a mighty battle. I ended up selling the car unrepaired and pocketing the insurance settlement but the "new" car is insured by First Ireland and I won't be using CN again.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,752 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    My policy was up today so decided to make a call or two. Premium €350 odd for comp. 2000 miles, garaged, 2nd car, and including Pan European breakdown cover.

    Rang Axa and left a message. The never rang back. Lost interest in them.

    Rang First Ireland, and a really helpful lady quoted me €290 for exactly what I had, and allowing for a Max. NCB which didn't exist under the current policy (Carole Nash/R.S.A.)Furthermore she said they's allow "laid up cover" for the winter simply by returning cert. and disc, which my current insurers wouldn't do.

    Carol Nash when informed of the difference came down to €310 odd.

    For €290 which will essentially cover 2 summers (laid up for 6 months free of charge) I think I've got to move.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,096 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    Have to say I'd agree - as I said above CN were pitiful when I had to make a claim - they passed teh whole thing through to the underwriters who did thier level best to shaft me.

    Someone should make them aware of this page - maybe then they'd change thier attitude, more competition has to be a good thing!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,173 ✭✭✭overdriver


    RE IVS insurance.

    The rates are great, and the mileage allowance is generous BUT>>>

    Customer service isn't exactly their forte. Perhaps they are feeling the strain of so much new business? Phone calls can leave you feeling like a Jehovah's witness at the door.
    Also there may be a delay of 21 to 26 days in gettiong your policy! This wasn't mentioned when I parted with my fee.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭eamon234


    Hi All
    Iirish Vintage Society is probably the best (and cheapest to go through) it is third party but most classic insurance is and let's be fair unless the car is worth a fortune you don't need fully comp (and if it is worth a fortune you can bloody well afford fully comp!) They also offer discounts if you want to insure extra cars (120 for 2nd , 90 for 3rd) myself and my brother have a few cars and we find it very handy. By the way I have a 1973 MGB GT for restoration if anyones interested! Needs a lot of work would be a good winter project!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 291 ✭✭Paul (MN)


    Hi all,

    AXA refused to quote me for using a classic car as my only car but I pestered them and they agreed, providing I gave an engineers report.

    I also rang First Ireland and they quote me their own policy with a 10k limit.
    For no mileage limit they quote Hibernian and St Paul.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭Silvera


    Classic insurance is also now available from.......

    www.123.ie/classic/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,616 ✭✭✭milltown


    Only really started thinking about this tonight so excuse my first post on this forum being a typical newbie "can I?".

    My dream car, above all your Porsches and Ferraris, was a Lancia Delta Integrale for many years. Now I find myself 34 years old with my daily car insured with full no claims and I spot an Integrale on Carzone that's 15 years old and not hugely expensive.

    Am I right in thinking that some companies will give classic insurance on a 15 year old car? Am I also right in thinking that the tax office will be looking for their full pound of flesh until the car is 20 years old? I know it's pure laziness but I'm hoping you guys can give me all the answers I want in one go.

    TIA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭mustang68


    milltown wrote:
    Am I right in thinking that some companies will give classic insurance on a 15 year old car?

    You are, however normally only for "special" cars, for instance my daily driver is a 15 year old Mazda, that hardly a classic and just gets insured normally. Is a 91 MX5 a classic, maybe, a 91 Rolls, probably etc.
    milltown wrote:
    Am I also right in thinking that the tax office will be looking for their full pound of flesh until the car is 20 years old?

    No, until its thirty years old.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 hellcamino


    ok, so I was in a hurry and I only made 3 calls....axa said my car had to be 25yrs or older, first ireland didnt answer their phone and carol nash told me everything i wanted to hear......so i signed up and handed over the ever so important cash. WooHoo Im insured but it was then that I got to read the small print. For a start, I'm only covered against theft and d##kheads dancing on my car IF it happens on my driveway and nowhere else AND only if it happens between the hours of 10pm and 6am!!! W.T.F.!!!! How ridiculous is that!! They offer all sorts of nice percs such as breakdown recovery/assistance etc. European cover as well as decent prices for extra vehicles, but if I'm not insured against idiots and thieves outside of these restrictions, my policy isn't much use. I can see the owner of ANY car being upset with these restrictions, let alone someone who obviously cherishes their car and wants maximum protection 24/7 while being able to enjoy the freedom of just hitting the road, as the policy is supposedly taylored for. That means no D##khead cover should your car be nicked or damaged in a carpark, at a show,meet or run, or even if you decide to take the roof down and hit the road for the long weekend. It also states that the car must be in road worthy condition and have its NCT which is worrying for anyone taking their car off the road for a while to carry out some work or even for those still on UK or other foreign regs. who obviously can't possibly have an NCT,but yet they offer cover for them. Surely by this clause they technically wouldnt have to pay up in the event of a claim. So between these restrictions and escape routes on top of the fact that insurance co.s will usually try everything they can to get out of a payment anyway, I've come to the conclusion that I may have rushed into things a little and perhaps I should have tried to call First Ireland back :rolleyes: always a lesson to be learned! I am happy however with the price and percs, friendliness of staff and ease in taking out a policy with them. All of this is irrelevant though if I've got gaps in my cover.

    Picture it....

    ...its been a long day and you've just spent the last 2 hours stuck in traffic in your daily,plastic, economical box. Barely hanging together because you've just spent the last of your cash on those chrome bumpers you've been promising yourself and if you've gotta choose which car to spend it on......you know in your soul it cant be the micra, not unless you really really have to. Or perhaps you're one of the luckier ones who found a tidy mini before a heap cost 2k. Either way, tough, because while you were at work, some f**cker ripped off your house, loaded all your favorite cds and dvds into your prized possession and headed off for a burn before burning it out in a lonely carpark somewhere (which you shouldn't be parked in) and swapping your music collection for a nokia so he can video call his mates from the next house he rips off and post it on the net....... Shame you werent covered...... shame you fit those bumpers last weekend! :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 446 ✭✭Eric318


    I am with First Ireland. They respond well to email.

    You should ditch the bitch and switch...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Hifive


    Hello forum! Another point to note, with my policy (CN) there is no premium refund if you sell your classic during the insurance term. I sold my Mgb not long after renewing the policy and was told there would be no refund due to it being a limited mileage policy. I will definitely check out first Ireland come renewal time for my current classic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 hellcamino


    According to my policy details I can get a refund but its only a percentage or something, less fees etc. Probably wont amount to much


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 hellcamino


    I spoke to C.N. about the particulars of the policy I wasn't happy about and heres how it works:
    One of the requirements of the comprehensive policy is that you must have a garage to keep the car in at night. In the event of you not parking it in the garage and it getting nicked off your drive, you’re not covered. However, if you decide to go away for the weekend in your classic and it gets nicked from outside a restaurant or where ever, you are covered (because you obviously couldn’t park it in your garage) So basically I’m covered for theft for everywhere other than my drive? The sentence reads as follows, how would you interpret it?

    “we will only provide cover for theft, attempted theft or malicious damage between the hours of 10pm and 6am if your car is garaged at home or at any other garaging address we have agreed”

    Does it mean the when the car’s at home, its only covered during the night if its indoors?
    or
    They only offer cover during those hours if the car is at home, in the garage?

    I’m thinking it’s the first one.

    Aside from this, my policy is €150 cheaper than the 1st Ireland quote I got and its cheaper to add extra cars to my policy too. 1sT Ireland also only allows 2k miles on your 2nd or subsequent classic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 446 ✭✭Eric318


    Got the renewal notice from 1st Ireland (AIG Europe). It is ... €5 cheaper than last year!! Unheard of!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 108 ✭✭les_steaks


    Can vouch for the Irish Vintage Society. Have my '84 500SEC insured through them. Membership is 30 euro and insurance approx 180 (its with Hibernian). Also any member of the society over 25 with a full license is insured to drive it. Therefore to add additional drivers (over 25 etc.) you just need to join them in the IVS.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    http://www.odon.com/motor-insurance-quote.html

    260 euro comp for a 40+ year old with a car valued at about 8 grand. You need a seperate policy for everyday runabout and a garage though.

    Mike.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭8~)


    Recently I asked about the IVS policy when speaking with Hibernian about my everyday car policy. The IVS policy apparantly only covers travel to and from 'events'... Dunno what to make of that. Hardly a conclusive answer. Currently insured with Carole Nash and don't like the sound of their small print.

    I want to insure 4 cars in the 20+ age bracket at next renewal. Combined mileage under 5k per annum, access to everyday driver (spouse's car). Is there a simple and cheap solution???


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭3ps


    give Brian Butterly in First Ireland a call.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 944Enthusiast


    Just a quick question, that I though not deserved its own thread. Does anyone know of an Classic Insurance company/ broker that will cater to the under 25 age bracket (in this case a 21 year old)? I have contacted a few of the bigger companies but to no success.

    With thanks,

    944 Enthusiast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭franksm


    8~) wrote:
    Recently I asked about the IVS policy when speaking with Hibernian about my everyday car policy. The IVS policy apparantly only covers travel to and from 'events'...

    LOL

    Hibernian are telling porkies :D I am insured with the BGT for 5,000 miles worth on an IVS policy. It's comprehensive and otherwise like a "normal" classic policy. I recommend them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    Just a quick question, that I though not deserved its own thread. Does anyone know of an Classic Insurance company/ broker that will cater to the under 25 age bracket (in this case a 21 year old)? I have contacted a few of the bigger companies but to no success.

    With thanks,

    944 Enthusiast.

    Not from what I've read. Most insurance companies won't insure you on classic car insurance until you're 25. I read of one company that insured a 23 year old but they had to have another car on regular insurance.

    I'm in the same position as yourself, I'm 21 too. I guess I'm just gonna wait.
    I can't wait to get myself an old beetle :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Guitar1979


    Just a note on AXA's number.. the number that is specified on thier web site is incorrect. 1890 200016 is some other company who gets about 20 calls a day from people looking for quotes, LOL..


    Real AXA Phone Number : 1890282820

    Hope it helps...
    Silvera wrote:
    Companies :

    Carole Nash, Dublin. Ph 1800 930 801
    www.carolenash.com/eire.asp

    AXA Ireland. Ph 1890 200016
    www.axa.ie/car/classic_car.html


    Brokers :

    First Ireland (01) 8820800
    Majestic Financial Services (01) 8392026
    Norton Insurance, Bray. (01) 2862592
    O' Riordian Insurance, Cork. (021) 4275311
    Richard Brophy Ins, Portlaoise (0502) 82130



    (Please note : Most classic policies stipulate that your classic must be a 'second vehicle', i.e. you must already have a normal car insurance policy. A mileage restriction also usually applies to classic policies.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 217 ✭✭folkswagen


    8~) wrote:
    Recently I asked about the IVS policy when speaking with Hibernian about my everyday car policy. The IVS policy apparantly only covers travel to and from 'events'... Dunno what to make of that. Hardly a conclusive answer. Currently insured with Carole Nash and don't like the sound of their small print.

    I want to insure 4 cars in the 20+ age bracket at next renewal. Combined mileage under 5k per annum, access to everyday driver (spouse's car). Is there a simple and cheap solution???

    eircooled club have recently sorted a great deal with an insurance company - for cars from 20 years and older - from only 190 euro per annum if it is your second car and after that it is only €57 more for every extra classic you add on - forget the exact details but it has made a lot of people very happy - have to be a club member to avail of it though:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭IronWolf


    Is their an age restriction for joining these clubs in order to avail of their insurance deals?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 657 ✭✭✭irishash


    hi all,

    I work for AXA in the classic car section. Just want to maybe help out and give you our terms and conditions for classic car. Mods - if this is not the right place for this or is not allowed, please let me know. Also I am not here fishing for business, just trying to let people know of our term and conditions to clear up any incorrect info - I will not be offering any prices here or even a guideline as I believe that would not be in the spirt, or rules, of this forum.

    1. we will insure all cars (non-commercial) over 25 yrs old - however any car that is between 20-25 yrs old, we will look at and give you an answer on the phone. NOT all car in this latter age bracket will be acceptable, but give a call to find out.

    2. All drivers have be over 25 and have a full irish or european drivers licence (or a licence accepted by the irish goverment as a full irish licence). The same rules apply for all named drivers.

    3. In order to get classic insurance, you must have either private car or commercial insurance on another vehicle. Company car drivers will also be looked at as long as proof of insurance ca be provided. Proof of insurance in the form of a live proof of no claims bonus would have to be forthcoming after the policy is incepted.

    4. We have 3 groups for the cars - a) 0cc to 1600cc. b) 1601cc to 2500cc and c) 2500cc and over.

    5. We offer fully comp, third party fire and theft, and third party only over. We also do a laid-up cover for cars not currently on the road. No restrictions on any cover ie: car can only be damaged while parked, between certain hours, must be garaged, etc....

    6. full european cover is given too on all classes and is for 30 days.

    7. milage limits do apply and go from 1000 miles, up to 3500 miles, up to 5200 miles, and up to 10000 miles. (as a side note, if the milage is over 5200, it may be cheaper to insure the car under a normal private car policy.

    8. Motor rescue is offered on all cover, and is included in the price.

    9. Up to 4 cars can be covered on the one policy, with every other car ,after the highest rated one, being discounted.

    10. The phone number to contact us on is : 1890 28 28 20. You will be given options to get a new quote and when you get through to a customer service agent, ask for someone in classic car.

    I hope this helps. Of course i would ask that people please call the number to get questions answered as opposed to asking on here, as i will be far more contactable on the phone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭deckie27


    IronWolf wrote:
    Is their an age restriction for joining these clubs in order to avail of their insurance deals?

    Generally classic insurance isn't available for under 25's


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5 The Terror


    folkswagen wrote:
    eircooled club have recently sorted a great deal with an insurance company - for cars from 20 years and older - from only 190 euro per annum if it is your second car and after that it is only €57 more for every extra classic you add on - forget the exact details but it has made a lot of people very happy - have to be a club member to avail of it though:)

    I got the same deal through my insurance broker. I'm not in any club. I will check which company it is and revert. Any broker should be able to find the same deal though :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,788 ✭✭✭Vikings


    Drivers:
    Polices are available on an Insured only or insured and named driver basis providing:
    �� All drivers must be aged 23 – 70 years and be a valid FULL E.U. Licence Holder.
    �� All drivers must be Claims free for 3 years
    �� All drivers must be Conviction Free for 5 years
    �� All drivers must not have been disqualified within the last 10 years.
    �� Proposer must have regular use of an everyday car, which is insured on a separate
    policy.

    The above is according to the terms and conditions which I found following Mikes link to www.odon.com so there looks to be some inkling of hope for those under 25 ... and over 23 :(


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