New York Jets Thread

gerire · 01-10-2012 2:05am

I was confident, before tonight, that the loss of Revis would not effect the team that badly; that we would unite and be stronger for the rest of a season. like in the GAA or Soccer when a player is sent off and the team rally.

But tonight was not a good exhibition of football by my JETS it was a shocking night. O Line was terrible, Hunter was made the scape-goat but tonight the o-line was shown up not to be able to provide gaps for runners or protection for passing.

Tebow Wildcat - All attempts this season have been the exact same and it has yet to work, Tebow has made a 1st down a couple of times but by passing. We also have Greg McElroy there; McElroy beat Tebow in a series final and was drafted by the Jets; McElroy mst feel bad by Tebow coming in atall but he is a QB. And a good one.

I have always been supportive of The Sanchize but tonight he looked out of plans or ideas when under pressure, Hunter has been replaced and still the same problems

Schotty has been replaced but still the same problems, Same Same, Cant make 1st downs, cant make big plays to rock the opposition, cant make decent yards. Yes SF have a great D - I took them early in fantasy- but tonight was depressing.

I aint walking out like a lot of fickle fans Ive seen on twitter, mainly the ones who came with Tebow, I've been on this Titanic since 96 and the chairs can only be moved so many times, I really hope we can get to 8-8 this year; I was out drinking with a friend last week and told him the Jets were a frustrating team and this season could go 12-4 or 4-12 and that was before the Revis injury. I really hope for 4-12 and a good draft. But if Rex is still there he will mainly pick D as usual

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And what the fcuk was Rex thinking keeping Revis on the roster; free that spot up and bring in a cb

kryogen · 01-10-2012 4:22am

Looking forward to the calls for Tebow to be played

In Exile · 02-10-2012 4:32am

gerire wrote: »

I was confident, before tonight, that the loss of Revis would not effect the team that badly; that we would unite and be stronger for the rest of a season. like in the GAA or Soccer when a player is sent off and the team rally.

But tonight was not a good exhibition of football by my JETS it was a shocking night. O Line was terrible, Hunter was made the scape-goat but tonight the o-line was shown up not to be able to provide gaps for runners or protection for passing.

Tebow Wildcat - All attempts this season have been the exact same and it has yet to work, Tebow has made a 1st down a couple of times but by passing. We also have Greg McElroy there; McElroy beat Tebow in a series final and was drafted by the Jets; McElroy mst feel bad by Tebow coming in atall but he is a QB. And a good one.

I have always been supportive of The Sanchize but tonight he looked out of plans or ideas when under pressure, Hunter has been replaced and still the same problems

Schotty has been replaced but still the same problems, Same Same, Cant make 1st downs, cant make big plays to rock the opposition, cant make decent yards. Yes SF have a great D - I took them early in fantasy- but tonight was depressing.

I aint walking out like a lot of fickle fans Ive seen on twitter, mainly the ones who came with Tebow, I've been on this Titanic since 96 and the chairs can only be moved so many times, I really hope we can get to 8-8 this year; I was out drinking with a friend last week and told him the Jets were a frustrating team and this season could go 12-4 or 4-12 and that was before the Revis injury. I really hope for 4-12 and a good draft. But if Rex is still there he will mainly pick D as usual

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And what the fcuk was Rex thinking keeping Revis on the roster; free that spot up and bring in a cb

Excellent post. Been a Jet since I was 4 when living in the States and, as you said yourself, there is nothing worse to hear than people walking away because they don't get what they want. I had the same conversation in work around the 12-4 and 4-12 and, as with you, I am now leaning towards the latter. Only in an effort to see some good changes next season.

FreeOSCAR · 02-10-2012 3:35pm

4-12 would leave us with between picks 4 - 7 depending on other teams records.

If that was our record, you could bet Sanchez would be gone Tennebaum and probably even Rex (depending on how he handles himself in the press and what not)

Tennebaum will have to go - he's basically left a team with a real lack of talent offensively. I wouldn't trust him with a pick that low based on what he's drafted the past few seasons.

The Jets are in a bad place right now, it began in the middle of 2011 and its going to come crashing down big time over the next few weeks.

You can name maybe 5 or 6 Jets that could hold their head up high so far in the season.

Kerley
Big Mo
Nick Folk
Mangold
Landry
Bell
Revis (Until the ACL)

What we have so far is a defense that can't stop the run and probably can't stop the pass now that Kyle Wilson is a starter.
We can't consistently pressure the QB either, Harris aside our Linebackers are making very little plays the past few seasons

Offensively we stink.
Shonn Greene is not a top of the depth chart back. Bilal Powell should see the majority of the snaps coming his way over the next few games (it began in San Fran)
Keller has been injured, Holmes is injured, Stephen Hill is M.I.A..

It hasn't been all Sanchez's fault (a lot of stone hands from the WR and TE's in the past few games) but the protection has been ok.
The problem is his horrendous accuracy and fumbling of the ball.
I been watching his post game interviews for near on 3 years now and each time he keeps mentioning "leaving plays on the field" or "we have to do better" but quite frankly he hasn't progressed the levels the franchise expected of him.

He's on thin ice now for the next 2-3 weeks - this is his chance to stay s starter in the NFL. I don't agree with it but Tebow will be in if he Mark stinks it up against Heuston and Indianpolis.

Worst 2-2 team in the NFL?
Probably.
It's not doom and gloom either, its realism.

SHOVELLER · 02-10-2012 3:52pm

I was at this game sunday. Great day out and the Jets fans deserve more than this shambles. I have tried to stick up for Sanchez but he just has not performed consistently at this level. Tebow is a side show.

The Holmes injury summed up the day. BTW huge 49er support there.

As an aside Rex has lost a ****load of weight:D

LuckyLloyd · 02-10-2012 5:17pm

There is some ridiculousness here lads. We are 30 - 21 in the regular season under Ryan, and 4 - 2 in the playoffs with two Conference Championship games in recent memory. This is a Franchise that has won 43 games since 2008. There are loads of teams and fans in the league who would love our recent past.

Yes, the team will now suck for the rest of the season. That's what happens when your best defensive player (who the defensive game plan is pinned around) goes down for the season. Resources in the NFL are limited. We don't have a top QB, so you have to pin your hopes elsewhere. The Defense makes the whole thing work, and it works itself because of its best player.

Talk of punting the coach and front office management means you are sacking them because Sanchez didn't work out. If you want to go down that route, fine. But I reckon they've done pretty damn good, and even a 4 - 12 season shouldn't deny them another shot at things.

Look, the deal here was always that Sanchez would become an average to good NFL QB and step up to take the slack off a declining overall roster which had carried him his first two years. He hasn't managed it unfortunately, and he can't complain about the situation or the opportunity. Resources are limited in the NFL for everyone, and people complaining about what we don't have are missing that imo. It's been a challenge getting under the cap the past few years - Mangold / Revis / Sanchez / Brick / Cro / Holmes all cost money. Unfortunately the worst value is coming from the most important position. That's life though, and despite him not working out things have been pretty damn good.

No need to panic. Can't playoff every year.

FishHook · 05-10-2012 12:40pm

I am not looking forward to this Monday night game against the Texans. Our run defence has gone AWOL and we have nothing to offer on offense. I fear another blowout !!!

Syferus · 05-10-2012 8:10pm

Tebow time after Monday, and the course of events was so comically obvious since April you really have to wonder what the hell is going on in the Jets front office.

tommyhans · 08-10-2012 2:40pm

Is the Game on any tv tonight? Cant find it on sky, channnel 4 or espn.

Craptacular · 08-10-2012 2:45pm

tommyhans wrote: »

Is the Game on any tv tonight? Cant find it on sky, channnel 4 or espn.

BBC on the red button. Repeated on the red button during the week.

tommyhans · 08-10-2012 2:46pm

Thanks a million!!!

Mr. Tezza · 15-10-2012 7:17pm

Anyone see the game against the colts? missed the match is there anywhere I can watch a review/highlights of the game?

LuckyLloyd · 16-10-2012 1:01pm

I saw it. We bashed them up front.

Silver-Tiger · 16-10-2012 4:02pm

Lads,

Will be there on Sunday week and plan on going to the Phins game.
Will i just pay $130 odd now for nose bleeds or shall i wait?

LuckyLloyd · 16-10-2012 8:01pm

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

Lads,

Will be there on Sunday week and plan on going to the Phins game.
Will i just pay $130 odd now for nose bleeds or shall i wait?

Buy now imo.

gerire · 28-10-2012 3:35pm

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gerire · 28-11-2012 1:49pm

Ok theres no point in ignoring it but what a shocker, just wrote this for my fantasy league. Here are my 2c to to NE supporter
___________________________________________________________________
sush you; is it not bad enough we've lost Fireman Ed, I know you were a fan of his, that you want to rub salt into the wounds too.

Still think that we can pick up 4 out of the last 6 in wins, at the start of the season I was counting these last 6 as 6 wins but the season has conspired against us, it all cant be just put down to loosing Revis though. This has been coming over the last 2 drafts and off seasons and also on the sideline. Tannenbaum and Rex have completely managed to ignore the white elephant that is the Jets O Line, I was saying it in this off season that we needed to pick up O Line men in the FA, Waivers and Draft but it was all but ignored.

Hill has been a bust thus far, lost us the 1st game against NE with shocking drops.
The Tebow move has unsurprisingly been not great either. I have seen the jets waste close to 8 timeouts called either to get Tim into the game, to get him out or for him or Sanchez to get the play call correct directly after one of them has been subbed in or out.

I have seen Rex pass up short 4th downs in close games preferring to put the D back in to do the job of holding the opposition which shows his lack of confidence in the O

I can see Tanny getting the bullet (too many bad moves), I can see Sprano getting the chop too.(victim of situation and shottys legacy)

I can see them sticking with Rex though; Only thing if these last few games don't go our way we will have a good low pick. My ideal situation would be for the Jets to trade down often and for a lot of picks down to the mid 20's for our 1st pick. We should be able to get at least 5 picks or so for that.
However I can see Rex being startled in the headlights and if he gets a shot at Manti T'eo he loves his defense and would not pass him up.

FishHook · 07-12-2012 3:56pm

What do you all make of Sanchez being named the starter, against Jacksonville?

I think Rex should have gone with McElroy.

LuckyLloyd · 10-12-2012 10:56am

FishHook wrote: »

What do you all make of Sanchez being named the starter, against Jacksonville?

I think Rex should have gone with McElroy.

Barring a change in management, Sanchez will be the starter next season. He's a superior option to McElroy and Tebow (which doesn't say much obviously). There is nothing in Free Agency or the draft that is substantially better either, and the finances of the situation mean that March 2014 is a more realistic release point from him.

To be honest, the last few weeks have demonstrated that we would have been in the running for 9 or 10 wins and a playoff berth if it wasn't for the key injuries. Disappointing but there you go.

I'd give Rex and the front office another season personally.

FishHook · 18-12-2012 5:06pm

I think the Sanchez era ended last night. I hope they go with McElroy for the rest of the season. I don't rate Tebow, and think trading for him last season was a bad move.

LuckyLloyd · 18-12-2012 7:54pm

McElroy sucks, never going to get it done.

Chucky the tree · 18-12-2012 8:56pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

McElroy sucks, never going to get it done.

While it's unlikely he might. I certainly don't think he'll be as bad as Sanchez.

ReacherCreature · 18-12-2012 9:16pm

McElroy to start next game; Sanchez benched. The circus continues in New York.

Why on earth Tebow was traded for if McElroy gets the start is simply beyond me. That trade makes sense less and less with each passing week.

LuckyLloyd wrote:

McElroy sucks, never going to get it done.

The whole of the Jets QB roster largely sucks to be fair. Tebow gets a slight exception because he's hardly played this season.

davyjose · 18-12-2012 9:43pm

ReacherCreature wrote: »

McElroy to start next game; Sanchez benched. The circus continues in New York.

Why on earth Tebow was traded for if McElroy gets the start is simply beyond me. That trade makes sense less and less with each passing week.

The whole of the Jets QB roster largely sucks to be fair. Tebow gets a slight exception because he's hardly played this season.

McElroy looked pretty sharp against the Cardinals. As Tebow gets less and less of a look in, it's become patently obvious that Ryan in no way wanted him on the roster.

I'm not sure Tebow will ever get another starting job in the NFL. Looks like Peyton Manning's neck injury ended someone's career after all.

ReacherCreature · 18-12-2012 10:23pm

davyjose wrote: »

it's become patently obvious that Ryan in no way wanted him on the roster.

Woody Johnson and Tannebaum's fault. Yup, Ryan would have used him by now if he really wanted him.

FishHook · 19-12-2012 1:18pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

McElroy sucks, never going to get it done.

He can't be any worse than Sanchez at this stage. Let's see what he can do over the next two games, and the decide if he is worth a roster spot for next season.

Trojan · 19-12-2012 2:53pm

Why, when you have a poorly performing QB suddenly make not one but two great 1st Down throws in succession, do you then pull him off the field and put in the backup to f**k up the drive? Surely they can let Sanchez build a little momentum when he's going well?

I'm not enough of a student of the game to understand this, but to me that looks like simply horrible play calling & decision making from the offensive coordinator and/or head coach. Sanchez is not great, but given a decent O-line and good calls from the coaches I think he has good potential.

FishHook · 19-12-2012 3:37pm

Trojan wrote: »

Why, when you have a poorly performing QB suddenly make not one but two great 1st Down throws in succession, do you then pull him off the field and put in the backup to f**k up the drive? Surely they can let Sanchez build a little momentum when he's going well?

I'm not enough of a student of the game to understand this, but to me that looks like simply horrible play calling & decision making from the offensive coordinator and/or head coach. Sanchez is not great, but given a decent O-line and good calls from the coaches I think he has good potential.

Management probably feel they have to use Tebow at some stage, having traded for him, but I agree with you 100%, all it does is undermine Sanchez. The sooner Tebow is gone the better, IMO.

I think Sanchez may still have potential, but not with the Jets.

LuckyLloyd · 20-12-2012 3:27pm

Sanchez cannot be cut given his contract. The first opportunity to do that will present itself in March 2014 realistically.

McElroy will not win games in the NFL.

Tebow will not win games consistently in the NFL.

If Sanchez is cut at the next opportunity he'll probably never be QB1 again in this league.

This is a laughable QB Draft class with huge regressions from the likes of Barkley and Landry in their senior seasons.

Flynn / Cousins gonna command a hefty price in a trade, and the probability is that they are not average / above average NFL starting QBs.

This team has a shot when it gets key players back from injury

SO

I'd go with Sanchez for one more season, kicking Tebow to the curb over the summer. Got to ride this one out to its conclusion imo as, bizarrely, he is the only QB option realistically available for next season who has won a decent amount of games in the NFL.

TaosHum · 20-12-2012 3:36pm

Trojan wrote: »

Why, when you have a poorly performing QB suddenly make not one but two great 1st Down throws in succession, do you then pull him off the field and put in the backup to f**k up the drive? Surely they can let Sanchez build a little momentum when he's going well?

I'm not enough of a student of the game to understand this, but to me that looks like simply horrible play calling & decision making from the offensive coordinator and/or head coach. Sanchez is not great, but given a decent O-line and good calls from the coaches I think he has good potential.

Its Tony Sparano play-calling. Whatever about Sanchez being cut loose, Sparano has to be got rid of ASAP.

As a Fins fan, I personally hope both remain

DBBacker · 20-12-2012 3:53pm

Tebow to be cut in off season and Jets exploring trading Sanchez

ReacherCreature · 20-12-2012 8:42pm

Vick to New York is a possibility. That would create another media frenzy.

taidghbaby · 21-12-2012 11:41am

ReacherCreature wrote: »

Vick to New York is a possibility. That would create another media frenzy.

I think the jets should try and trade for Alex Smith, draft a QB (maybe Barkley) and ease the new QB in over the next few years!

Put Revis back in that defence and they're playoff contenders again with a QB who doesn't turn the ball over multiple times every game!

LuckyLloyd · 21-12-2012 12:03pm

lol at the idea of drafting Barkley.

This year's Draft class QBs suck. Sanchez is irritating, but it's a uniquely bad time to try and acquire a new starting QB.

taidghbaby · 21-12-2012 12:57pm

Not keen on drafting another USC QB? That's why I said go for Smith an draft a QB! If the Jets draft a QB in the 3rd/4th round and it doesn't work out then its not the end of the world!

LuckyLloyd · 21-12-2012 1:59pm

taidghbaby wrote: »

Not keen on drafting another USC QB? That's why I said go for Smith an draft a QB! If the Jets draft a QB in the 3rd/4th round and it doesn't work out then its not the end of the world!

Smith? A 3rd / 4th round QB?

Yeah, nobody is putting a decent argument forward for trying to replace Sanchez. You ride it out, cut him in March 2014 when cutting him doesn't carry a huge cap hit and attempt to sort the QB situation then.

Making a move this spring / summer will be a band aid at best.

taidghbaby · 21-12-2012 2:12pm

Yeah that's a fair enough point! No way yas can cut Sanchez, trade for Smith an get a QB in the draft! That would be paying 3 QB's plus whatever would be on Tebow and McEllroy!

I wouldn't like the idea of Vick for the Jets either though as is being mooted in the press!

In Exile · 28-12-2012 5:30am

I've done up a spreadsheet regarding Sanchez and his lack of productivity.

It is a three part spreadsheet so I'll summarize Sanchez and if anyone wants to compare him to the rest of the league just let me know and I'll PM it along.

The first page deals with the amount of pressure he comes under on dropbacks.

On 460 dropbacks this year, he has come under pressure 132 times. Being sacked 32 times.
Of the other 100, he has attempted 95 passes, completing only 39 of these, throwing the ball away 4 times.

So, he comes under pressure 28.7% of dropbacks(ranked 20/27 of QB's-only 7 QB's have less pressure than him). Of those dropbacks he gets sacked 24.2% of the time(3rd highest rate). He has a completion rate of 41.1% with an accuracy of 51.2%(ranked last)

Next, we look at whether the WR's were dropping more balls than they should have been.

Simple answer is no they didn't. Jets WR's have dropped 30 passes this season for Sanchez. Average is 30.96 passes dropped.

Taking it a little further and of his 460 drop backs, he attempted to pass the ball a total of 418 times. Completing 229 passes, total yards 2683(2nd last ahead of Vick), for 6.42 Yards/Attempt(2nd last ahead of Ponder).

He has an NFL QB Rating of 67.9(last) and a PFF(Pro Football Focus) QB Rating of 75.3(last). Sanchez has completed a total of 54.8% of passes from drop backs. This is tied 2nd lowest with Freeman and ahead of Luck in last. However, both Freeman and Luck have a much better TD:INT ratio, 26:16 & 21:18 respectively compared to Sanchez' 13:17

The last stat of interest here is the Yards lost due to dropped passes. Sanchez lost on average 5.97 yards per dropped pass(2nd worst with M Ryan last with 5.79).

Finally, how bad must the O-Line be in pass blocking efficiency?

Not bad at all. Ranked 11th in efficiency for protecting the QB on pass plays.

Now, I know stats can be used to prove or disprove anything. Plus it also doesn't take into account the ability of the WR's that Sanchez is throwing to, but overall it paints a very bad picture of the QB.

Now, it doesn't have all QB's listed. They had to play a minimum number of games before I was able to put together those stats, therefore the likes of Arizona, San Fran, Nick Foles are not listed.

Dynamo Roller1 · 28-12-2012 7:02am

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Sanchez cannot be cut given his contract. The first opportunity to do that will present itself in March 2014 realistically.

McElroy will not win games in the NFL.

Tebow will not win games consistently in the NFL.

If Sanchez is cut at the next opportunity he'll probably never be QB1 again in this league.

This is a laughable QB Draft class with huge regressions from the likes of Barkley and Landry in their senior seasons.

Flynn / Cousins gonna command a hefty price in a trade, and the probability is that they are not average / above average NFL starting QBs.

This team has a shot when it gets key players back from injury

SO

I'd go with Sanchez for one more season, kicking Tebow to the curb over the summer. Got to ride this one out to its conclusion imo as, bizarrely, he is the only QB option realistically available for next season who has won a decent amount of games in the NFL.

Sanchez would make it as no.1 anywhere except NY because the Jets are a Circus at management and ownership and always will be till that changes.

Dynamo Roller1 · 28-12-2012 7:09am

From a team that PROMISED a Superbowl and is now considering dropping their starting QB, signed holy Joe Tebow and now is hunting for Vick. Man i feel sorry for Jets fans. I bet they blow they're load on some troubled bust in the first round of the draft too.

Itssoeasy · 28-12-2012 7:03pm

gerire · 29-12-2012 3:56pm

Manish Metha from the NYDN is a parasite and a virus on the organisation. Rumors are that he has Pettine as his source of his stories. As a beat writer he has 'broken' more stories this season than all the other beat writers combined this year. He prints whatever the hell he wants and does not care about the team at all or the effect of his stories.

I listened in to Rex's press conference yesterday. Metha didn't go to the press conference. From the start Rex refuted this story and called Metha a liar. He stated that Metha contacted him before running the story and he refused to print Rexs denial on the story. As they said on WFAN after the press conference why was Rex not asked about Pettine being the leak?

Rex I believe needs to realise that he is not just an defensive coach, he is a head coach and as I have said on here many times O needs serious support no matter who is under center

Jolly Red Giant · 31-12-2012 2:23am

Bye, bye Tim - hope you sold enough of the autobiographies while you had the chance. You will probably get a job as a motivational speaker on the bible belt circuit - I doubt even the Jags would waste a roster spot at this stage.

LuckyLloyd · 05-01-2013 1:46pm

phatkev · 19-02-2013 9:33pm

As expected the Jets have cut Calvin Pace, Eric Smith, Jason Smith and Bart Scott, with the four of these gone the salary cap should headed into the positive side of things

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8962969/calvin-pace-eric-smith-josh-smith-released-new-york-jets

PaddyQ90 · 20-02-2013 2:00pm

phatkev wrote: »

As expected the Jets have cut Calvin Pace, Eric Smith, Jason Smith and Bart Scott, with the four of these gone the salary cap should headed into the positive side of things

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8962969/calvin-pace-eric-smith-josh-smith-released-new-york-jets

Good move!

Serious rebuilding to do in the coming years, no more papering over the cracks!

LuckyLloyd · 20-02-2013 5:20pm

PaddyQ90 wrote: »

Good move!

Serious rebuilding to do in the coming years, no more papering over the cracks!

If they're going to clear the dead weight off the books this year, they should hold onto Sanchez imo. Nothing in the draft or free agency as far as QBs are concerned imo. If you want to tank, tank hard and dump Sanchez this time next year when it represents a minimal hit to the cap.

PaddyQ90 · 20-02-2013 7:05pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

If they're going to clear the dead weight off the books this year, they should hold onto Sanchez imo. Nothing in the draft or free agency as far as QBs are concerned imo. If you want to tank, tank hard and dump Sanchez this time next year when it represents a minimal hit to the cap.

Don't follow college that much, but what happened Matt Barkley?

I thought he was being lauded as a sure fire first pick a year ago?

theRB · 21-02-2013 7:39pm

PaddyQ90 wrote: »

Don't follow college that much, but what happened Matt Barkley?

I thought he was being lauded as a sure fire first pick a year ago?

He had a poor season at USC and missed the end of it due to injury. He won't be throwing at the combine either.

LuckyLloyd · 22-02-2013 4:54pm

PaddyQ90 wrote: »

Don't follow college that much, but what happened Matt Barkley?

I thought he was being lauded as a sure fire first pick a year ago?

It turned out he sucks!

Well, meh, not suck maybe but certainly not worth betting a Franchise future on with a high round draft pick.

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