Ratings Discussion Thread - Mod Warning #271 (26th June)

leggo · 15-06-2019 5:35pm

J. Marston wrote: »

Meltzer is AEW's PR machine. I'd take anything he says with a truckload of salt.

Literally. His claim that All Out was the most in-demand pro-wrestling show ever was laughable. It’s actually brazen at this stage, a movie reviewer would have their reputation shredded if they started appearing in trailers and hype videos for movies like Meltzer is now for AEW. But wrestling media has zero standards so he’ll receive no pushback.

Also if anyone believes the origin story of All-In, where Cody started it because of a tweet from Meltzer, wasn’t a total work I’ve a bridge to sell you.

lawlolawl · 15-06-2019 5:45pm

leggo wrote: »

Literally. His claim that All Out was the most in-demand pro-wrestling show ever was laughable.

It sold out in 15 minutes and there were literally 10s of thousands of people queued on the website to buy tickets yesterday.

nazmoalex · 15-06-2019 6:07pm

lawlolawl wrote: »

It sold out in 15 minutes and there were literally 10s of thousands of people queued on the website to buy tickets yesterday.

I was thinking about this the other day. At first I was thinking that is a genius way to get an idea of how many people are willing to buy tickets.
But then I was looking at Reddit, and people giving advise for the cueing system. The majority of people seemed to be cueing multi times, like one person could potentially be cueing for 8 slots using different browsers with incognito tabs.
So maybe those numbers aren't the best to go off.

leggo · 15-06-2019 6:21pm

lawlolawl wrote: »

It sold out in 15 minutes and there were literally 10s of thousands of people queued on the website to buy tickets yesterday.

I’m finishing up in work so, before I log off, I’ll give you rope to hang yourself with...

Do you HONESTLY, like stake your integrity on it, believe that this was the most in-demand wrestling event ever? Bigger than any WrestleMania ever? Or Rumble or Starrcade or Wrestle Kingdom? And that 135,000 (which I believe was the figure he quoted/pulled from his arse) people were in queue for this, meaning they’d have sold out any WrestleMania stadium that’s ever have been run instantly if they could’ve? With Hangman Page in the main event?

In front of all of boards PW...is that what you believe? Or is known friend of The Elite, Dave Meltzer, co-opted and waffling?

nazmoalex · 15-06-2019 6:47pm

leggo wrote: »

I’m finishing up in work so, before I log off, I’ll give you rope to hang yourself with..

In front of all of boards PW

Posting rubbish like this is asking for abuse.

See if you think about, you are in possession of said rope.

Even if everything in between those quotes were to make 100% sense to everyone, that snidy way of making a point is going to make people dispise you.

This is a recurring theme in nearly all of your posts.

If you tonned it down a bit people might engage a bit more.

I don't have anything against you, I enjoy reading parts of your posts and appreciate an alternate approach or input, but jeez man stop the snide remarks.

leggo · 15-06-2019 7:25pm

Stop deflecting by making it about me. If he wants to go on record as saying he believes Hangman/Jericho would outdraw Hogan/Andre (which he’s one step off doing), is it kinder to remind him of the stakes beforehand so he considers what he’s saying and has a chance to backtrack...or be sneaky and point it out him after he’s committed a ridiculous point to text?

Omackeral · 15-06-2019 7:33pm

leggo wrote: »

Stop deflecting by making it about me. If he wants to go on record as saying he believes Hangman/Jericho would outdraw Hogan/Andre (which he’s one step off doing), is it kinder to remind him of the stakes beforehand so he considers what he’s saying and has a chance to backtrack...or be sneaky and point it out him after he’s committed a ridiculous point to text?

''Kinder to remind him of the stakes''. Is this actual parody at this stage? Are you working? For the love of Brooklyn Brawler! It's a wrestling forum. It's grand. There are no stakes. It doesn't matter if someone makes a statement that's against the grain. Or goes against what you think. It's fine. Saying things like you'll make an absolute show of yourself and I'm good enough to save you from it is among the cringiest things I've ever read on this site.

nazmoalex · 15-06-2019 7:38pm

I made the point before that about numerous slots potential being taken up by one user, or did you miss that?

I wasn't deflecting anything.
You made a post about giving someone a rope to hang themselves, I think my response was fair. If you don't want to acknowledge that, well fine. Maybe that ingorne button might be of use.

gerrybbadd · 15-06-2019 7:49pm

leggo · 15-06-2019 7:53pm

Omackeral wrote: »

It's a wrestling forum. It's grand. There are no stakes. It doesn't matter if someone makes a statement that's against the grain. Or goes against what you think. It's fine. Saying things like you'll make an absolute show of yourself and I'm good enough to save you from it is among the cringiest things I've ever read on this site.

Read that again, you're literally doing what you're giving out to me for doing. "It doesn't matter what someone says, it's only a wrestling forum"...then seconds later..."don't say that, it's cringey." And you accused me of being a parody? You broke yourself with the irony of this post. :rolleyes::pac:

Lads, once again, thread not about me. It IS fine if someone makes a statement that's against the grain. So stop piling on me about any and everything BUT the topic because I'm saying that WWE isn't actually in trouble. If you'd have just been able to say, "I don't really like WWE anymore, I like the look of that AEW thing a bit more, but I don't know much about ratings and whatnot," you'd have avoided ALL of this. But everyone has to play expert now. And when they make objectionably wrong statements and get contradicted with facts and logic, they get thick and try attack the person about literally anything else because they can't argue their point or deal with saying "I was wrong." Standard lads, well done. Anyway, I'm home now and off the phone for the night so good luck!

Omackeral · 15-06-2019 7:58pm

Leggo, you're coming off as an absolute narcissist on here. Worse than the Luger fella circa 93. Writing John Oliver style reports and all. Unbelievable craic out of you. Gonna have to slap you on ignore because I'll catch a ban otherwise if I keep responding to you. I don't know if it's a heel turn you're trying out but as others have said, you were once a really good, and above all else, sound poster. Now, it's like reading your personal preachy blog anytime you post.

leggo · 15-06-2019 8:06pm

Omackerel isn't bothered watching one episode of Raw. The Butterfly Effect consequences of that seemingly insignificant incident:

-- The WWE is now in trouble.
-- He's telling people to say whatever they want and stop saying what he doesn't want in the same sentence.
-- I'm Lex Luger now and he's going to get banned if he doesn't ignore me.

Jaysus man. You should've just watched tbh, maybe the constant of keeping up with Raw was holding you together...

J. Marston · 15-06-2019 8:26pm

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Use the appropriate gifs in the wrestling forum, please...

lawlolawl · 15-06-2019 8:36pm

leggo wrote: »

But everyone has to play expert now. And when they make objectionably wrong statements and get contradicted with facts and logic....

This is a great character.

I'll stake my Boards.ie pro-wrestling subforum reputation on saying it's one of the best gimmicks on here.

Omackeral · 15-06-2019 10:01pm

lawlolawl wrote: »

This is a great character.

I'll stake my Boards.ie pro-wrestling subforum reputation on saying it's one of the best gimmicks on here.

The Insiderz Explode! Big Trev vs Leggo ends in a no contest when the audience taps out.

lawlolawl · 15-06-2019 10:06pm

Omackeral wrote: »

The Insiderz Explode! Big Trev vs Leggo ends in a no contest when the audience taps out.

Does Trevor still post here?

I still see him on Something Awful the odd time with his incredibly vague predictions about something maybe possibly happening some time in the future.

This Leggo guy has the exact same condescending tone as him.

leggo · 16-06-2019 7:23am

lawlolawl wrote: »

This is a great character.

I'll stake my Boards.ie pro-wrestling subforum reputation on saying it's one of the best gimmicks on here.

Ahhh you bottled it! It was so built-up, there were popcorn gifs and all, for a simple yes/no answer. Either say no and admit you were wrong but actually look mature and like you have sense, say yes seriously and look like a bit of a lunatic or, the third, nuclear option everyone (me included a bit tbh) was hoping you’d pick, and saying yes just to be a dickhead about it all. And instead we just got a bad joke (seriously 0 thanks when you’re making fun of the lad who’s getting piled on is bad, and any subsequent thanks now lads is ironic). Absolute let-down.

Anyway lads, you need to cop on a bit here. All I did to start this debate was relay the info Meltzer, the guy who’s mates with the people who run AEW remember, himself said about the NBA clash before Raw even happened. Nobody credible is claiming Monday’s ratings are a disaster. You’re coming in with hot takes overreacting, getting pulled up with sense, getting stubborn and thick, then getting totally personal when you can’t argue the point. Go back and read, I haven’t actually attacked one person here, yet how many times have I had to reply to people saying “This thread isn’t about me”? I think I said it 3-4 times yesterday alone. You’re all talking in another thread about how hardly anybody is posting here anymore, look at your behaviour in this thread towards someone who’s just pointing out what every news source out there is about the ratings and maybe you’ll see why. Like you said yourselves, it’s *only* a wrestling forum. Exactly. So if you don’t enjoy WWE, but someone else comes on not absolutely slating them, maybe just let them have a different point of view or it will be (as someone said) just an echo chamber of 3-4 posters left **** each other off saying the same opinion. Now I’m big and bold enough that it doesn’t bother me and I’m not off reporting you all, but still, others won’t be and will just say “this place has gone to the dogs.” And then you’ve ruined the corner of the Internet you had to chat about your hobby. There’s what...10ish regular posters left? And people don’t seek out message boards anymore so there’s nobody new coming. Maybe not trying to chase off anyone who has a different opinion is the smart move. Doesn’t bother me, watching wrestling is part of my job now so I have a podcast, regular events, I’m in loads of groupchats, have social media and plenty of places to chat with mates if this place dies a death. But if you like it yourselves...just a thought.

lawlolawl · 16-06-2019 9:03am

Nice meltdown.

leggo · 16-06-2019 9:19am

lawlolawl wrote: »

Nice meltdown.

It’s this kind of quality banter that’s seen this place reduced to “WWE are dying because they didn’t make a Trump documentary”, “You used to be sound!” and crickets. Anyway I don’t have all of Sunday to row with you man, I usually just boards when working. Have a good one on here.

Agent Coulson · 16-06-2019 9:45am

If the WWE had this kind of rivalry on TV right now they would be killing it in the ratings.

This is better than anything the WWE are putting on TV.

lawlolawl · 16-06-2019 10:25am

Leggo gets to play the HHH role in the feud because of his wall-of-text promos and completely unearned feeling of superiority :pac:

The White Wolf · 16-06-2019 10:50am

lawlolawl wrote: »

Leggo gets to play the HHH role in the feud because of his wall-of-text promos and completely unearned feeling of superiority :pac:

Just need your man wearerealmarks or whatever his name is to come in here now to tell us that on top of us being Trump supporters that we all need to get to the gym and lose a few pounds. Might as well go two for two on the bizarre unverifiable statements.

leggo · 16-06-2019 12:54pm

lawlolawl wrote: »

Leggo gets to play the HHH role in the feud because of his wall-of-text promos and completely unearned feeling of superiority :pac:

lawlolawl has been released from NXT after a series of poor jokes when given high profile opportunities. Some people just can’t cut it in the big leagues. And his name was terrible, we wanted to shorten it to just lawl, but he insisted and just never got over with the audience. We wish him well in his future endeavours.

Lord TSC · 16-06-2019 3:04pm

lawlolawl wrote: »

Leggo gets to play the HHH role in the feud because of his wall-of-text promos and completely unearned feeling of superiority :pac:

leggo wrote: »

lawlolawl has been released from NXT after a series of poor jokes when given high profile opportunities. Some people just can’t cut it in the big leagues. And his name was terrible, we wanted to shorten it to just lawl, but he insisted and just never got over with the audience. We wish him well in his future endeavours.

Lads, the two of you should cut this out. Final warning.

If you've no desire to discuss the topic at hand without having to get into these sorts of personal shots, I can close the thread and we can move on.

nazmoalex · 16-06-2019 3:33pm

leggo wrote: »

lawlolawl has been released from NXT after a series of poor jokes when given high profile opportunities. Some people just can’t cut it in the big leagues. And his name was terrible, we wanted to shorten it to just lawl, but he insisted and just never got over with the audience. We wish him well in his future endeavours.

Leggo Luger here would draw more ratings than RAW at the moment.
Just picture it, Lex Luger made completely out of Lego. Could even tag with Balor.
Only problem is ever time he gets the hot tag his hand gets snapped off and he's left standing there like a pleb.
Bit of advise for you leggo, you might want to spend a bit of time on your writing skills. As someone who works in the industry(LOL) I think it's only fair I point that out to you. Reading through that mega sh!t post hurt my eyes.

You skipped over my reply the other day. Are you are putting me in the **** orgy you discribed too?

Out of interest, those figures you threw out with attendance fidgures for the shows in Dublin, Mania, Rumble, NJPW did you pluck them out your arse or are you recalling on memoery?
Because half full front bar or whatever is not a valid way to actually account for how many people were there, nevermind what interest they have in any particular show.
Also this information or data as you called it is the equivalent of me counting heads at a picnic and declaring more people like strawberry jam. It's nonsense and completely irrelevant dribble to suit your agenda and quite frankly is the reason you are now Leggo Luger forever!

I don't care about the ratings, never did, never will. But you and your carry on drew me in to post in the first place. So congrats on getting me out of the shadow for more than one post, you absolutely tool.

J. Marston · 16-06-2019 3:38pm

This thread...

leggo · 16-06-2019 3:43pm

nazmoalex wrote: »

Leggo Luger here would draw more ratings than RAW at the moment.
Just picture it, Lex Luger made completely out of Lego. Could even tag with Balor.
Only problem is ever time he gets the hot tag his hand gets snapped off and he's left standing there like a pleb.
Bit of advise for you leggo, you might want to spend a bit of time on your writing skills. As someone who works in the industry(LOL) I think it's only fair I point that out to you. Reading through that mega sh!t post hurt my eyes.

You skipped over my reply the other day. Are you are putting me in the **** orgy you discribed too?

Out of interest, those figures you threw out with attendance fidgures for the shows in Dublin, Mania, Rumble, NJPW did you pluck them out your arse or are you recalling on memoery?
Because half full front bar or whatever is not a valid way to actually account for how many people were there, nevermind what interest they have in any particular show.
Also this information or data as you called it is the equivalent of me counting heads at a picnic and declaring more people like strawberry jam. It's nonsense and completely irrelevant dribble to suit your agenda and quite frankly is the reason you are now Leggo Luger forever!

I don't care about the ratings, never did, never will. But you and your carry on drew me in to post in the first place. So congrats on getting me out of the shadow for more than one post, you absolutely tool.

Are you okay? I don’t remember even talking to you...

nazmoalex · 16-06-2019 9:52pm

leggo wrote: »

Are you okay? I don’t remember even talking to you...

Ah right, grand. I must have imagined it all so. Just gonna ignore you now. Enjoy driving the Leggo Express on your one man power trip to oblivion.

Sorry to everyone else for taking this off topic, but it never really was going to go anywhere after the first page or two.

Second thread I have tried to tell Leggo to realise if he just held off on the snidy remarks people would engage more.

Peace out! Enjoy the lectures!

leggo · 17-06-2019 1:51am

You legitimately did imagine it though? I’m pretty sure we’ve never interacted, definitely not in this thread anyway, and you’re writing multiple aggressive multi-paragraph posts aimed at me. I genuinely don’t remember ever taking a mental note of the name nazmoalex before. What power do you think I have? What other thread did you “tell me” in? Who are you?!?

Lads...this place got weird... :pac:

thebostoncrab · 17-06-2019 10:53am

....so how about those Smackdown ratings eh?

J. Marston · 17-06-2019 11:28pm

Don't know about "panic mode" but a week to go and Stomping Grounds ticket sales don't look good...

https://twitter.com/theee_fan/status/1140700724122333184?s=21

The blue dots are the available seats. Saw on Reddit that they're apparently doing 2 for 1 deals.

johnnyryan89 · 17-06-2019 11:53pm

With Super Showdown two weeks ago and this event more or less having rematches from that PPV was always gonna lead to poor sales. Rollins Vs Corbin and Kofi Vs Dolph are poor matches anyway so whose gonna want to watch them again. Lashley and Braun will probably fight again along with Lars and Lucha House party and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Revival defend against the Usos which will be another Super Showdown match but for belts.

Best thing AEW can do and I think they've already mentioned it is do only four PPVs a year or something like that. The hardcore fans will travel from a far distance if it's only four a year, sort of like the NXT takeovers and it allows storylines to build up for a few weeks with the blow off match coming at one of the PPVs where lads can give it 150% in the ring.

ERG89 · 18-06-2019 12:20am

J. Marston wrote: »

Don't know about "panic mode" but a week to go and Stomping Grounds ticket sales don't look good...

Something, something twitch, something Twitter, something social media trends.

NITRO95 · 18-06-2019 10:17pm

https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1141088630506696704?s=19

Everything is fine

Agent Coulson · 18-06-2019 10:22pm

It's ok everyone is watching it on social media and illegal sources.

J. Marston · 18-06-2019 10:33pm

It's up 100,000 from last week.

Glass half full, lads.

ERG89 · 18-06-2019 10:44pm

J. Marston wrote: »

It's up 100,000 from last week.

Glass half full, lads.

Against a huge NBA game then.
F**k social media being created in the last year so people watch there instead :mad:

lawlolawl · 18-06-2019 10:55pm

At least their live attendance and PPVs are still doing well.

Sure, Stomping Grounds is still almost half empty despite two-for-one tickets but it's not like any other US wrestling company is selling out events in 15 minutes or anything.

Maybe the ratings will get better if they have Shane on screen more often?

Perhaps they could double down on Roman? He had a solid two weeks there of not getting booed when people thought he might die.

If all else fails they can have Brock show up for 5 minutes and disinterestedly destroy everyone, making weeks of storyline irrelevant!

Omackeral · 18-06-2019 11:10pm

NITRO95 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1141088630506696704?s=19

Everything is fine

I mean, I did say to you all earlier that me not watching was directly responsible for this...

Omackeral · 18-06-2019 11:29pm

J. Marston wrote: »

It's up 100,000 from last week.

Glass half full, lads.

Down 670,000 on this week last year apparently. Yowie Wowie.

NITRO95 · 18-06-2019 11:34pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Down 670,000 on this week last year apparently. Yowie Wowie.

Don't worry hot products lose 20% of their audience year on year all of the time

leggo · 19-06-2019 8:16am

It's gas how everyone is like, "WOAH! I am NOT saying WWE is dying, don't put words in my mouth!" But it's totally okay to insinuate that I'm saying WWE are a "hot product".

So make an actual point lads. Ratings are down and...what? They're going to lose their TV deal? Go out of business? The essence of my point is, "Yes this is a lull, but they've had things go up and down for years and people always act like it's the end of days, then things are fine again and they actually do better." That's a historically accurate statement. After the decline of the Attitude Era peak of ratings and two decades of peaks and troughs, they signed their biggest TV deals ever last year.

You're disagreeing with me on that and saying that this is VERY significant and different to all those other times. How exactly? Don't cut a weird promo on me, make it personal or hide behind smart comments, just make a point and explain how you feel this is significant.

lawlolawl wrote: »

Perhaps they could double down on Roman? He had a solid two weeks there of not getting booed when people thought he might die.

Btw this was super classy.

leggo · 19-06-2019 9:32am

More stats:

People are saying WWE being nearly under 2million viewers for an off-peak episode of Raw is a disaster. Their TV deal (which hasn’t kicked in yet) pays them approx $2.6billion through 2023.

The average NBA regular season game drew 1.2million viewers on ESPN and TNT. The NBA’s most recent TV deal sees them paid $24billion through 2025. Slight difference huh?

WWE are dirt cheap because there’s still a stigma around wrestling. But on a week-to-week basis they give a similar or better return to similar but more expensive programming, without reaching the highs of playoffs etc. What that means is that TV companies can sell advertising and clean up for profit, 52 weeks a year (NBA runs October through June, NFL only runs September through February), even when ratings are lower. It’s why NBCU wanted to renew SmackDown and why Fox’s bid was $205million per week (because NBCU had the right to match any offers up to $200million). For those who didn’t listen to the show where I broke all this down, NBCU (their current broadcaster who are ‘suffering’ with these ratings, yet wanted to renew) will actually pay more than Fox for Raw under the new deal at $265million per week.

J. Marston · 19-06-2019 10:51am

Said it before but a three hour block of live entertainment on Monday nights is gold dust for networks that don't have NBA/NFL.

leggo · 19-06-2019 12:49pm

Especially at that rate. Like if it’s profitable for them to sell ads to the NBA at nearly ten times the price for 6 of the 8 months of the season with 1.2 million viewers on average, they’re cleaning up with WWE.

But that doesn’t sell newsletters...

ERG89 · 19-06-2019 5:07pm

https://twitter.com/SimpsonsWWE/status/1140387075017125888?s=19

This should probably go here rather than the humour thread

Loughc · 19-06-2019 7:38pm

ERG89 wrote: »

This should probably go here rather than the humour thread

Well this whole thread has been humorous so you’re in the right place.

NITRO95 · 19-06-2019 10:24pm

https://www.pwtorch.com/site/2019/06/19/smackdown-rating-new-record-low-will-any-viewers-be-left-by-the-time-wwe-moves-smackdown-to-fox-this-fall/

Omackeral · 19-06-2019 10:48pm

NITRO95 wrote: »

https://www.pwtorch.com/site/2019/06/19/smackdown-rating-new-record-low-will-any-viewers-be-left-by-the-time-wwe-moves-smackdown-to-fox-this-fall/

By God the wheels have come off

lawlolawl · 19-06-2019 10:54pm

NITRO95 wrote: »

https://www.pwtorch.com/site/2019/06/19/smackdown-rating-new-record-low-will-any-viewers-be-left-by-the-time-wwe-moves-smackdown-to-fox-this-fall/

"Smackdown was built around advertising Bayley on “A Moment of Bliss” and Xavier Woods vs. Dolph Ziggler. They also added Seth Rollins & Kofi Kingston vs. Kevin Owens & Sami Zayn in a match announced during the program as the main event."

It's sad that all of the workers mentioned in this are actually pretty good but you just can't bring yourself to care about any of it because it's all happening under the WWE system of "each Sports Entertainer™ only has 5 moves and wins and losses don't matter so it's 50/50 booking all over".

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