1,000 marchers march against Gardai in Castlerea, Roscommon

17-12-2018 10:40pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

I don't think people should take the comments posted in AH too seriously as most people post tongue in cheek in this section.

I will add that the Gardai and the local population of Castlerea and surrounding area have always had an excellent relationship. The murders of John Morley and Henry Byrne by the INLA is something that the town won't ever forget. So it's not a rural population rising up against law enforcement as one poster put it.

What would you say it is then? Is it a case of locals expressing that in this particular instance they are appalled and are drawing a line in the sand kind of thing?

rossie1977 · 17-12-2018 11:12pm

Deleted User wrote: »

What would you say it is then? Is it a case of locals expressing that in this particular instance they are appalled and are drawing a line in the sand kind of thing?

I wasn't part of the protest so I can't speak with total confidence but I suspect people were very angry at reports on national radio and newspapers over the past week that the men in question attacked the Gardai, painting them as thugs.

Reports like this likely prompted alot of the anger https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/garda-responding-burglary-call-roscommon-13730592

0cp71eyxkb94qf · 17-12-2018 11:32pm

What a surprise.

Its never ending with this corrupt shower. They're only too happy to batter a few innocent men and ignore real criminals. Yeah, proper salt of the earth types our police force are.

CinemaGuy45 · 18-12-2018 12:17am

rossie1977 wrote: »

As someone from the area maybe I should explain what happened from what I have been told.

A small shop was robbed in the town last week so the gardai were on the look-out throughout the town for the culprit(s). At around 1am they stopped two local men who they suspected of being the suspects.

One of the men was returning home from his birthday party, the other was actually the nephew of the shop owner. Obviously a scuffle or argument broke out and the two men were badly beaten up by the Gardai. The man whose birthday it was has been in and out of hospital since with seizures and has been told he will never drive again..he worked as a bus driver.

<snip>

Thank you for posting the facts.

GarIT wrote: »

Two men attacked a guard when he tried to stop them to question them. The guard fought back and 700 people went out to march because Roscommon is backwards as ****.

CinemaGuy45 · 18-12-2018 12:18am

Samantha Shy Hook wrote: »

What a surprise.

Its never ending with this corrupt shower. They're only too happy to batter a few innocent men and ignore real criminals. Yeah, proper salt of the earth types our police force are.

After what happened Macabe is anybody surprised?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 18-12-2018 12:23am

Just looking at the crowd tells you somethings up. Not the usual rent a mob of lefties or republicans. No flags, no signs. All ages.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 18-12-2018 12:29am

By the way isn’t it interesting how much support of the police there is from people who are otherwise liberal or centrist in their postings.

If the police act thuggish they should be held to account - the very basis of a lawful society is that nobody is above the law.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 18-12-2018 12:31am

GarIT wrote: »

Two men attacked a guard when he tried to stop them to question them. The guard fought back and 700 people went out to march because Roscommon is backwards as ****.

If this was the 1950’s Alabama and the men were black and the police man white this kind of post wouldn’t be out of place at a meeting of the KKK.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-12-2018 12:38am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

If the police act thuggish they should be held to account

I agree. This case seems a bad one.

However, let's not pretend we don't have a problem with the judiciary in the country either.

This is why people might turn a blind eye to scumbags (who otherwise should be locked up) getting the odd hiding.

Do I care that Anto with a hundred + convictions free to roam the streets who commits an armed robbery, for example, or mugs elderly people gets appropriate treatment from gardaí?

Not really.

CinemaGuy45 · 18-12-2018 12:42am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I agree. This case seems a bad one.

However, let's not pretend we don't have a problem with the judiciary in the country either.

This is why people might turn a blind eye to scumbags (who otherwise should be locked up) getting the odd hiding.

Do I care that Anto with a hundred + convictions free to roam the streets who commits an armed robbery, for example, or mugs elderly people gets appropriate treatment from gardaí?

Not really.

Or two decent men walking home from a party?

Kermit.de.frog · 18-12-2018 12:44am

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Or two decent men walking home from a party?

Exactly what I am saying. The gardai should be held to account for that.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 18-12-2018 12:45am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I agree. This case seems a bad one.

However, let's not pretend we don't have a problem with the judiciary in the country either.

This is why people might turn a blind eye to scumbags (who otherwise should be locked up) getting the odd hiding.

Do I care that Anto with a hundred + convictions free to roam the streets who commits an armed robbery, for example, or mugs elderly people gets appropriate treatment from gardaí?

Not really.

From what I read these two guys have no previous.

The judiciary do have a lot to answer for. You are right. Barely fit for purpose.

CinemaGuy45 · 18-12-2018 12:46am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Exactly what I am saying.

I can't answer that one for you.

I don't mind scum getting the stuffing knocked out of them but my point is when you have a PROVEN LYING CORRUPT police force the innocent will get it too.

Ruraldweller56 · 18-12-2018 12:50am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I agree. This case seems a bad one.

However, let's not pretend we don't have a problem with the judiciary in the country either.

This is why people might turn a blind eye to scumbags (who otherwise should be locked up) getting the odd hiding.

Do I care that Anto with a hundred + convictions free to roam the streets who commits an armed robbery, for example, or mugs elderly people gets appropriate treatment from gardaí?

Not really.

It goes on all over the place and regularly. This isn't one isolated incident.

Ive been pulled over and had my van trashed by them twice.

Was walking back home from a night out years ago with mates and we were stopped by a garda patrol car and searched, questioned for about 10 minutes (aggressively) and told not to be seen doing it ever again (walking home apparently?).

Not one of us has or had ever had any record of any description.

There's way too many of them get away with this crap. GSOC couldn't care less.

Any time one comes near me now the phone is out straight away. I'd prefer that wasn't the case but I've to put my own safety first.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-12-2018 12:50am

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I can't answer that one for you.

I don't mind scum getting the stuffing knocked out of them but my point is when you have a PROVEN LYING CORRUPT police force the innocent will get it too.

The gardai should be held to account for this incident. Nobody is going to argue there.

CinemaGuy45 · 18-12-2018 12:52am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The gardai should be held to account for this incident. Nobody is going to argue there.

Except for the PROVEN LYING CORRUPT police force we have.

CinemaGuy45 · 18-12-2018 12:57am

Is that station I would be safe to say all his colleagues are lying scum not one of them spoke up about the lying Mirror story nor have any of them given any support to the protesters.

One bad apple my eye.

Kermit.de.frog · 18-12-2018 12:58am

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Except for the PROVEN LYING CORRUPT police force we have.

I'm trying to make the connection between this and the role the judiciary refuses to carry out because that judiciary is also corrupt and acting hand in glove with solicitors to keep criminals out of prison and the solicitor fees coming in.

There are a lot of decent gardai who are literally wasting their time every day of the week.

It's disgraceful.

This is all connected. It all points to a corrupt system that does not work.

SkepticQuark · 18-12-2018 12:59am

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Liberals leftists are just other worlds for arsehole hypocrites in my opinion.
When I see Sinn Fein supporters I just know they are all hypocrite scum how can anybody who supports a mafia be caring?

There's literally a picture of Luke "Ming" Flanagan there though? Or is he not "leftist" enough for you?

After Hours and the Americanisation of European politics is ****ing hilarious I'll give you that.

CinemaGuy45 · 18-12-2018 1:01am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'm trying to make the connection between this and the role the judiciary refuses to carry out because that judiciary is also corrupt and acting hand in glove with solicitors to keep criminals out of prison and the solicitor fees coming in.

There are a lot of decent gardai who are literally wasting their time every day of the week.

It's disgraceful.

This is all connected. It all points to a corrupt system that does not work.

I agree with your point in bold as for a lot of decent Guards do you mean like Maurice McCabe?

Funny how none of these so-called decent gardai gave him any support.

cursai · 18-12-2018 1:21am

Lunatic circle jerk thread!

yyt · 18-12-2018 2:17am

GarIT wrote: »

Two men attacked a guard when he tried to stop them to question them. The guard fought back and 700 people went out to march because Roscommon is backwards as ****.

Why cant Roscommon just be normal. They are like a bold child

rossie1977 · 18-12-2018 2:36am

https://twitter.com/FinucaneDermot/status/1074725313391837185

speckled_park · 18-12-2018 2:45am

rossie1977 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FinucaneDermot/status/1074725313391837185

This is shocking if your description of events is true. That garda should be dismissed from the force. Its the gardai though, and while i respect the majority of gardai on the beat the higher up lads will either remove him from the publics view or retire him with his pension.

Hedgehod55 · 18-12-2018 3:01am

rossie1977 wrote: »

Wasn't expecting the photos to be made public.

For anyone wondering, this is the man with the lesser of the injuries. This man also had the top of his head split open. The garda certainly made use of his baton.

Hedgehod55 · 18-12-2018 3:02am

yyt wrote: »

Why cant Roscommon just be normal. They are like a bold child

Maybe have a read of the thread before giving your opinion. You managed to take the most inaccurate post in the thread and run with it.

the_syco · 18-12-2018 4:00am

Two lads versus one Garda. The people of Castlerea don't care about the truth, they just want the Garda involved to be sacked. I doubt they'll settle for anything less.

It'll be funny if the Gardai pulled out of Castlerea.

Always_Running · 18-12-2018 5:58am

the_syco wrote: »

Two lads versus one Garda. The people of Castlerea don't care about the truth, they just want the Garda involved to be sacked. I doubt they'll settle for anything less.

It'll be funny if the Gardai pulled out of Castlerea.

The truth from locals is on this thread, read those posts and stop making a fool of yourself.

Fiery mutant · 18-12-2018 7:47am

It’s not really the truth though is it, it’s one version of the truth, from someone who wasn’t there.

It’s all well and good to post pictures of one of these guys in hospital, with dried blood on him, but don’t forget a guard ended up there too. If one of these guys put his hand on the guard when he stopped them to question them, then the guard had a right to defend himself.

Sure there are some bad guards, but painting them all as a law onto themselves is ridiculous. With the way Roscommon has been coming across this week, it’s the locals Who seem to be a law onto themselves.

Addle · 18-12-2018 7:54am

The Gardai in castlerea have a lot to deal with compared to those in other rural towns.
Some prison inmates and their visitors have the town ruined.
I won't go through castlerea with my car doors unlocked.
Maybe the Gardai there are on edge.
Maybe he took it out on the wrong people.
I hope the incident is properly investigated.

gandalf · 18-12-2018 7:59am

The sooner the Gardai get tamper proof body cams the better. At the moment it looks like this is a case of the two guys (who were drinking) word against the Garda involved. Looking at the picture it does appear that excessive force was used but without independent witnesses I don't see how action can be taken against the Gaurd involved. (I had a quick read through the thread so if there were witnesses to the event I'm happy to change my stance).

Fann Linn · 18-12-2018 8:09am

Fiery mutant wrote: »

It’s not really the truth though is it, it’s one version of the truth, from someone who wasn’t there.

It’s all well and good to post pictures of one of these guys in hospital, with dried blood on him, but don’t forget a guard ended up there too. If one of these guys put his hand on the guard when he stopped them to question them, then the guard had a right to defend himself.

Sure there are some bad guards, but painting them all as a law onto themselves is ridiculous. With the way Roscommon has been coming across this week, it’s the locals Who seem to be a law onto themselves.

This attack by the garda occured 3 days before any eviction.

DS86DS · 18-12-2018 8:12am

pearcider wrote: »

Interesting to see the various tensions building in advance of the hard brexit. AGS a farce with incompetent and corrupt management coupled with low morale in the grass roots. Morale at rock bottom in the defense forces. Can’t even get anyone to join the navy. Blue shirt zombie government completely out of touch in Dublin and sleep walking into disaster while our unelected Taoiseach is busy tweeting on nights out with celebs. Our Republic is walking into major trouble next year in my opinion. Anyway with half a brain can see it.

There is nothing more comical than seeing our arrogant, useless and unelected Taoiseach thinking that the Theresa May government are going to listen to him on any of his solutions to the Brexit issue. The current situation calls for a leader of the calibre of Lemass or Lynch, not this unworldly and undiplomatic clown.

The Garda in this country also have their hands tied up when it comes to dealing with scumbags. Said scumbags know that any old shady solicitor will get them off the hook, or at worse a slap on the hand in court. So much of the time it's not worth the effort of policing to a high standard and keeping the community save from little gurriers.

In this country, criminals have more rights and than the innocent law abiding man and woman thanks to the chattering classes who wish to see a soft criminal justice system.

While the chattering classes and do gooders see themselves as doing the morally right thing ....... gurriers are laughing at them and know at worst they will get a slap on the hand.

This country needs a Rudy Giuliani to sort out our mess of a criminal justice system.

gandalf · 18-12-2018 8:15am

Said scumbags also have rent a mob to protest them being evicted despite not paying back their debts and defrauding the taxpayer. We need to sort out that sh!te as well.

18-12-2018 8:16am

DS86DS wrote: »

There is nothing more comical than seeing our arrogant, useless and unelected Taoiseach thinking that the Theresa May government are going to listen to him on any of his solutions to the Brexit issue. The current situation calls for a leader of the calibre of Lemass or Lynch, not this unworldly and undiplomatic clown.

The Garda in this country also have their hands tied up when it comes to dealing with scumbags. Said scumbags know that any old shady solicitor will get them off the hook, or at worse a slap on the hand in court. So much of the time it's not worth the effort of policing to a high standard and keeping the community save from little gurriers.

In this country, criminals have more rights and than the innocent law abiding man and woman thanks to the chattering classes who wish to see a soft criminal justice system.

While the chattering classes and do gooders see themselves as doing the morally right thing ....... gurriers are laughing at them and know at worst they will get a slap on the hand.

This country needs a Rudy Giuliani to sort out our mess of a criminal justice system.

do you not get a vote?

what are you puling for besides?

Captain Obvious · 18-12-2018 9:58am

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I agree with your point in bold as for a lot of decent Guards do you mean like Maurice McCabe?

Funny how none of these so-called decent gardai gave him any support.

That's simply incorrect. There were Gardaí who supported McCabe. He had friends in the job. What makes you think he had no support?

Fann Linn · 18-12-2018 10:34am

Captain Obvious wrote: »

That's simply incorrect. There were Gardaí who supported McCabe. He had friends in the job. What makes you think he had no support?

Didn't see too many backing him up at various inquiries.

manofwisdom · 18-12-2018 10:38am

Addle wrote: »

The Gardai in castlerea have a lot to deal with compared to those in other rural towns.
Some prison inmates and their visitors have the town ruined.
I won't go through castlerea with my car doors unlocked.
Maybe the Gardai there are on edge.
Maybe he took it out on the wrong people.
I hope the incident is properly investigated.

Stop exaggerating. Its one of the most sleepy towns around where the Gardaí must be bored out of their mind with the lack of work to do in that town.

Captain Obvious · 18-12-2018 10:39am

Fann Linn wrote: »

Didn't see too many backing him up at various inquiries.

Do you mean in the written reports or the tribunal?

nice_guy80 · 18-12-2018 10:40am

Addle wrote: »

The Gardai in castlerea have a lot to deal with compared to those in other rural towns.
Some prison inmates and their visitors have the town ruined.
I won't go through castlerea with my car doors unlocked.
Maybe the Gardai there are on edge.
Maybe he took it out on the wrong people.
I hope the incident is properly investigated.

ara here.
tumbleweed is the word I would use for Castlerea

Fann Linn · 18-12-2018 10:43am

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Do you mean in the written reports or the tribunal?

Didn't see him accompanied by anyone, he always cut a lonely figure any time I saw him. Defnitely open to correction on this btw.

Ruraldweller56 · 18-12-2018 10:44am

Fiery mutant wrote: »

It’s not really the truth though is it, it’s one version of the truth, from someone who wasn’t there.

It’s all well and good to post pictures of one of these guys in hospital, with dried blood on him, but don’t forget a guard ended up there too. If one of these guys put his hand on the guard when he stopped them to question them, then the guard had a right to defend himself.

Sure there are some bad guards, but painting them all as a law onto themselves is ridiculous. With the way Roscommon has been coming across this week, it’s the locals Who seem to be a law onto themselves.

Do you know what would be great? If people looked at the thread before they posted on it.

Captain Obvious · 18-12-2018 10:50am

Fann Linn wrote: »

Didn't see him accompanied by anyone, he always cut a lonely figure any time I saw him. Defnitely open to correction on this btw.

I take it you mean no Gardaí attended the tribunal with him. That is simply a restriction inherent in the job. Overt political allegiance is not allowed. He definitely had support in the job though. Plenty of people delighted to see someone taking on management successfully. Whether he was aware of the support beyond his circle is another question though.

Addle · 19-12-2018 10:54am

I'd really like to see this thread title changed.
Am surprised the mods didn't after temporarily withdrawing the thread for review.

rossie1977 · 19-12-2018 2:27pm

Fiery mutant wrote: »

It’s not really the truth though is it, it’s one version of the truth, from someone who wasn’t there.

Well there was only the two men in question and the guard there so unless one of the three men posted here we wouldn't know the full truth.

What we do know is that two local men (who btw were innocent of any crime on that particular night) were badly beaten up and hospitalized.

It’s all well and good to post pictures of one of these guys in hospital, with dried blood on him, but don’t forget a guard ended up there too. If one of these guys put his hand on the guard when he stopped them to question them, then the guard had a right to defend himself.

There is right to defend yourself and then there is breaking a guy's two jaws and hitting him so hard he gets seizures for the next week.

Now of course you are creating scenarios you don't know are true unless you were there...

Sure there are some bad guards, but painting them all as a law onto themselves is ridiculous.

Strawman argument. Nobody is saying that. I even wrote a post on previous page saying the people of Castlerea and the Gardai have had an excellent relationship down the years.

Some of the most high profile people in town are members of the Gardai.

This one particular guard <snip>. He and be alone should he held accountable for his actions.

With the way Roscommon has been coming across this week, it’s the locals Who seem to be a law onto themselves.

The incident in Strokestown is completely separate to the incident in Castlerea. It's 20 miles away and just happened to occur around same time but one has nothing to do with the other.

Painting the entire population of Roscommon as 'law onto themselves' is beyond silly. Roscommon has the least amount of crime in the country well below national average.

daheff · 19-12-2018 9:53pm

pearcider wrote: »

He wasn’t elected Taoiseach by the people..

At no point did I claim he was. I said he was elected a TD by his constituency and elected Taoiseach by the Dail (the peoples representatives) .

Zimmerframe · 19-12-2018 10:01pm

Addle wrote: »

The Gardai in castlerea have a lot to deal with compared to those in other rural towns.
Some prison inmates and their visitors have the town ruined.
I won't go through castlerea with my car doors unlocked.
Maybe the Gardai there are on edge.
Maybe he took it out on the wrong people.
I hope the incident is properly investigated.

Lol, the most excitement in Castlerea are the Lidl special offers on Monday and Thursday.

Corby Trouser Press · 19-12-2018 10:58pm

An incredible news story and an incredible reaction to it on this site.

The sheer callous ignorance and stupidity of the responses from those who seem to consider themselves sophisticated urbanites has been breathtaking to read.

“They’re like totes ignoramuses in Roscommon... didn’t even vote for gay marriage lol... good enough for them!”

The lack of understanding of how rural Ireland works just boggles the mind.

People don’t generally turn out in large numbers to protest something in small town Ireland unless they have good reason to.

A Garda seems to have completely lost control and caused serious injuries that may have lasting consequences for a law abiding citizen.

If it was a local scumbag nobody would be giving it a second thought.

Small town and rural people aren’t thick... ye May well be though !

imme · 19-12-2018 11:52pm

klaaaz wrote: »

1,000 dissident members of the public have demonstrated showing dissent against alleged Garda brutality in their town. Their MEP Luke Ming Flanagan was in the march from the local Lidl to the Garda station.
The FFG mouthpiece the Indo and the state mouthpiece RTE have not reported on this significant event. This show of dissent has been reported in the Irish Times and the Sun above all places. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/hundreds-protest-in-castlerea-over-men-s-alleged-assault-by-garda-1.3733223
https://www.thesun.ie/news/3523690/protesters-roscommon-two-men-injured-in-cop-confrontation/
I do not recall such a mass demonstration against Gardai in a town in this country before, is this the beginning of the end for Garda authority and perhaps a sign that we need a new police force?

Dissident members of the public, or more usually dissidents has very different connotations in relation to so-called republicans.

Why are you using it in this relation to this event.

Has Ming said much about the situation, why he marched, what he sees as the issue.

klaaaz · 20-12-2018 12:02am

imme wrote: »

Dissident members of the public, or more usually dissidents has very different connotations in relation to so-called republicans.

Why are you using it in this relation to this event.

Has Ming said much about the situation, why he marched, what he sees as the issue.

Nothing to do with republicans, it's dissidents as per dictionary definition. Those who publicly dissent against the actions of a state authority(who in this case are their representatives or agents)
Read the links about what Ming has said and also read what a couple of posters who live locally in the area said stating their version of events which contrasts with the Garda statement released back then on the incident.

1,000 marchers march against Gardai in Castlerea, Roscommon

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