Evictions

Thatnastyboy · 19-12-2018 1:26pm

ELM327 wrote: »

If they do it really quickly, the gardai won't have time to put their hats on, so they can't arrest them.

Also, wonder how they'll get there - will they drive, or travel?

whippet · 19-12-2018 1:31pm

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

Also, wonder how they'll get there - will they drive, or travel?

It will depend on it being legal or lawful

Pussyhands · 19-12-2018 3:29pm

Guys, please stop pretending that the whole uproar is about the lads coming from NI to evict people.

The likes of Ben Gilroy and the "anti eviction" crowd on facebook are against ALL EVICTIONS.

The video of the eviction which was shared by anti eviction facebook pages etc showed the guys claiming there was no court order. They were resisting the eviction, not resisting the eviction by lads from NI.

People should not be getting away with not paying their mortgage while most people work hard to pay theirs...

And if you are one of the people who can't afford a mortgage, blame these people who default on their loans and won't leave for high mortgage rates.

the_syco · 19-12-2018 3:55pm

whippet wrote: »

Will they storm the Garda station to liberate them ?

I'm hoping that they do. Sh|t will hit the fan then!

whippet · 19-12-2018 4:19pm

Pussyhands wrote: »

People should not be getting away with not paying their mortgage while most people work hard to pay theirs...

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By the looks of it .. the trapasser in question isn’t a fan of paying anyone anything

Claw Hammer · 19-12-2018 4:23pm

Under ECHR law the debtors prisons can't be re-opened. People wat all these fancy laws and then complain when it doesn't suit them.

mikep · 19-12-2018 4:30pm

Here is a nice quote from PBP on the eviction:

"The reality however is that the cycle of violence was started by KBC.
They sold off the ‘distressed’ loan to a US vulture fund, Cabot Financial Ireland. No doubt they offered these sharks a big discount – which the original owner never got."

No mention of the fact that the poor original owner had debts that he seems to have had no intention of paying and rebuffed all chances to settle things..

I love the 'distressed' bit...

Pussyhands · 19-12-2018 4:50pm

Idiots! Why do they think KBC sell off mortgages? For the benefit of "vulture funds"?

If KBC could get the money from the one paying the mortgage they'd keep it.

It's telling that selling off these mortgages for "massive discounts" still makes more financial sense than whatever the mortgage holder would pay....

jimmycrackcorm · 20-12-2018 4:44pm

Pussyhands wrote:

It's telling that selling off these mortgages for "massive discounts" still makes more financial sense than whatever the mortgage holder would pay....

It's only telling that everyone would stop paying their mortgage and demand a discount.

All the money loaned out is itself borrowed so simply a case of cutting losses

Varik · 20-12-2018 6:05pm

mikep wrote: »

Here is a nice quote from PBP on the eviction:

"The reality however is that the cycle of violence was started by KBC.
They sold off the ‘distressed’ loan to a US vulture fund, Cabot Financial Ireland. No doubt they offered these sharks a big discount – which the original owner never got."

No mention of the fact that the poor original owner had debts that he seems to have had no intention of paying and rebuffed all chances to settle things..

I love the 'distressed' bit...

I hate the response from people about those buying the debt getting a discounted while the debtor didn't, if like some of those protesting got their way and that offer was made to the debtor then that would completely destroy the entire concept.

We'll pay if we want to pay, and if you don't like it offer us a discount.

the_syco · 20-12-2018 11:39pm

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46626093

The Tipperary TD added that "the courts and the sheriffs" should be the last resort.

The eviction is the last resort...!

Also, it seems the people now living in the house have the same rights as protesters.

overkill602 · 21-12-2018 3:41am

It would be simplistic at best to say this was an eviction that should not have been attempted given the occupant’s connections I would suffice to say the evictors walked into a trap.
Spoke to a very well informed local in the area the people inside are actively connected to the IRA and well known to some of our elected representatives.
As for the people who now remain back in the house they have a reputation of not paying for anything including the big shed at the rear for housing equipment in their locally owned quarry.

4ensic15 · 21-12-2018 10:15am

overkill602 wrote: »

It would be simplistic at best to say this was an eviction that should not have been attempted given the occupant’s connections I would suffice to say the evictors walked into a trap.
Spoke to a very well informed local in the area the people inside are actively connected to the IRA and well known to some of our elected representatives.
As for the people who now remain back in the house they have a reputation of not paying for anything including the big shed at the rear for housing equipment in their locally owned quarry.

that is just drivel that is being peddled by vested interests. Why would a bank lend money to someone with a reputation for not paying for anything?

overkill602 · 21-12-2018 10:49am

4ensic15 wrote: »

that is just drivel that is being peddled by vested interests. Why would a bank lend money to someone with a reputation for not paying for anything?

they owe a local contractor 47k for that shed u want more?

Seth Brundle · 21-12-2018 11:27am

Looks like scum sympathetic to the "won't pay" crowd in Roscommon have moved onto damaging more property...

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-seal-off-bank-office-block-after-criminal-damage-overnight-37647745.html

Hopefully gardai get those responsible and quickly!

l5auim2pjnt8qx · 21-12-2018 12:19pm

When the so called Leader of the country missed an opportunity in the Dail to ensure safety of it's elderly people instead throwing man child hissy strops at opposition parties in the Dail and admitting to being a bit of a "Disco Dolly " gushing over I LOVE KYLIE on the Late Late Show , showing little backbone in agreeing to the handover off 300 million to Anglo Irish Bank junior bond holders........its not easy to see why Civil Disobedience will occur.

Government is meant to protect it's Citizen's not Attack them.

l5auim2pjnt8qx · 21-12-2018 12:23pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Looks like scum sympathetic to the "won't pay" crowd in Roscommon have moved onto damaging more property...

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-seal-off-bank-office-block-after-criminal-damage-overnight-37647745.html

Hopefully gardai get those responsible and quickly!

No reports on who carried out the attack calling people scum is not helping the situation.

Alot of people are scared at the moment.

amcalester · 21-12-2018 12:25pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

No reports on who carried out the attack calling people scum is not helping the situation.

Alot of people are scared at the moment.

Any one who deliberately tries to burn down a building is scum.

relax carry on · 21-12-2018 12:33pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

No reports on who carried out the attack calling people scum is not helping the situation.

Alot of people are scared at the moment.

The people who are scared of whatever at the moment should engage with state and charitable supports that are available in pretty much every area they are scared of.

People who never engage, bury their heads in the sand, turn to pseudo legal/Freeman groups for a snakeoil solution or engage criminals aren't doing themselves any favours. These groups make it harder for those genuine cases to access a sympathetic audience.

Seth Brundle · 21-12-2018 12:34pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

When the so called Leader of the country missed an opportunity in the Dail to ensure safety of it's elderly people instead throwing man child hissy strops at opposition parties in the Dail and admitting to being a bit of a "Disco Dolly " gushing over I LOVE KYLIE on the Late Late Show , showing little backbone in agreeing to the handover off 300 million to Anglo Irish Bank junior bond holders........its not easy to see why Civil Disobedience will occur.

Government is meant to protect it's Citizen's not Attack them.

1. the so called leader was elected to the Dáil and subsequently elected by the leading party to become taoiseach. What do you mean by "so called leader"?
2. Not sure what the relevance of your Kylie stuff is
3. in terms of the payments to the junior Anglo bondholders, given that they have constitutional protection, what would you suggest he do to show some backbone?
4. civil disobedience? Like killing a dog and beating the crap out of people doing their job?

l5auim2pjnt8qx · 21-12-2018 12:43pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

1. the so called leader was elected to the Dáil and subsequently elected by the leading party to become taoiseach. What do you mean by "so called leader"?
2. Not sure what the relevance of your Kylie stuff is
3. in terms of the payments to the junior Anglo bondholders, given that they have constitutional protection, what would you suggest he do to show some backbone?
4. civil disobedience? Like killing a dog and beating the crap out of people doing their job?

Not the country' s Leader and certainly not showing leadership in an hour of need. Quote ...not 1 red cent will be paid back to Anglo airish Bank.

Not condeming hired thugs by KBC.
Who reported killing of a dog?

L1011 · 21-12-2018 12:46pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

When the so called Leader of the country missed an opportunity in the Dail to ensure safety of it's elderly people instead throwing man child hissy strops at opposition parties in the Dail and admitting to being a bit of a "Disco Dolly " gushing over I LOVE KYLIE on the Late Late Show , showing little backbone in agreeing to the handover off 300 million to Anglo Irish Bank junior bond holders........its not easy to see why Civil Disobedience will occur.

Government is meant to protect it's Citizen's not Attack them.

If you are trying to imply what your post comes across as, it falls below all acceptable standards here. Can you clarify this post properly so any action required can be taken

l5auim2pjnt8qx · 21-12-2018 12:53pm

L1011 wrote: »

If you are trying to imply what your post comes across as, it falls below all acceptable standards here. Can you clarify this post properly so any action required can be taken

What does it come across as? pointing out A leader who is well known for his spinning to the media has clearly taken his eye of the ball instead is happy supplying propaganda on a Late Late show .....merely relaying the facts.

DubCount · 21-12-2018 12:55pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

Government is meant to protect it's Citizen's not Attack them.

Citizens are meant to pay their bills, not ignore them.

Freedom is never completely unrestricted. I cant walk into my local Tesco and walk out with my groceries without paying while screaming "Food is a basic human right!!". If you dont pay a mortgage, you loose your house, and the Government provides emergency accommodation or social housing - just like everyone else that becomes homeless.

If you dont pay, you cant stay.

L1011 · 21-12-2018 12:55pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

What does it cone across as? pointing out A leader who is well known for his spinning to the media has clearly taken his eye of the ball instead is happy supplying propaganda on a Late Late show .....merely relaying the facts.

There is more than a slight homophobic undercurrent in how that post comes across. If you do not intend this I suggest you clarify

l5auim2pjnt8qx · 21-12-2018 12:57pm

L1011 wrote: »

There is more than a slight homophobic undercurrent in how that post comes across. If you do not intend this I suggest you clarify

Certainly not homophobic content intended as communicated in earlier or which may have been misunderstood by other people.

l5auim2pjnt8qx · 21-12-2018 1:10pm

DubCount wrote: »

Citizens are meant to pay their bills, not ignore them.

Freedom is never completely unrestricted. I cant walk into my local Tesco and walk out with my groceries without paying while screaming "Food is a basic human right!!". If you dont pay a mortgage, you loose your house, and the Government provides emergency accommodation or social housing - just like everyone else that becomes homeless.

If you dont pay, you cant stay.

Yes you can walk out but you will be arrested by security who are registered and employed by the supermarket ....you will be restraint and held until Gardai arrive

Hardly comparing apples with apples with a bank that hired un unregistered thugs as security and subsequently had elderly people beaten up.

abcabc123123 · 21-12-2018 1:19pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

....merely relaying the facts.

These are opinions, not facts.

Seth Brundle · 21-12-2018 1:21pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

Not the country' s Leader and certainly not showing leadership in an hour of need. Quote ...not 1 red cent will be paid back to Anglo airish Bank.

What do you mean "not the country's leader? Who is the leader then?
In terms of Anglo, you still haven't said how we could get away without paying what is constitutionally protected to the bondholders. Have another go please.

l5auim2pjnt8qx · 21-12-2018 1:23pm

abcabc123123 wrote: »

These are opinions, not facts.

Quite clearly facts :

l5auim2pjnt8qx · 21-12-2018 1:30pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

What do you mean "not the country's leader? Who is the leader then?
In terms of Anglo, you still haven't said how we could get away without paying what is constitutionally protected to the bondholders. Have another go please.

Leader question already clarified.

Junior bondholder's are not guaranteed to be paid 100% gamblers .....threaten the state with legal action "So What" toxic bank already wrapped up
You gamble you lose...

Seth Brundle · 21-12-2018 1:46pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

Junior bondholder's are not guaranteed to be paid 100% gamblers .....threaten the state with legal action "So What" toxic bank already wrapped up
You gamble you lose...

So constitutional protection means nothing to you then?

l5auim2pjnt8qx · 21-12-2018 2:03pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

So constitutional protection means nothing to you then?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anglo-junior-bondholders-will-not-be-repaid-in-any-circumstances-says-kenny-1.

the_syco · 21-12-2018 2:03pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

You gamble you lose...

And yet when someone doesn't pay what they owe, you think that's totally okay?

l5auim2pjnt8qx · 21-12-2018 2:10pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/anglo-junior-bondholders-will-not-be-repaid-in-any-circumstances-says-kenny-1.

Taoiseach Enda Kenny has said he does not see any circumstances where junior bondholders will be paid following the liquidation of IBRC.

Earlier, Minister for Education Jan O’Sullivan said she fully supports her party leader, Tánaiste Joan Burton, in her stand on junior bondholders, and her assertion that they will not be paid.

On Sunday Ms Burton ruled out the possibility of junior bondholders in Anglo getting a payout from the liquidation of the Irish Bank Resolution Corporation.

Ms O'Sullivan said the Irish taxpayer is the priority for payment.

Minister for Health Leo Varadkar has also said he believes that junior bondholders will not receive a payment from the liquidation.

Speaking at an event at Beaumont Hospital

l5auim2pjnt8qx · 21-12-2018 2:19pm

the_syco wrote: »

And yet when someone doesn't pay what they owe, you think that's totally okay?

I believe that debt restructuring be insisted by state in helping people out of debt
as many models have shown us people in debt will sink further and further as was this case , desperation spiralling out of control.

Some people are happy watching individual being beaten up as opposed to the debt's being cleared, that says more of us as a nation instead of dealing wth the issue

A nation is defined out it treats its elderly Citizens.......On a world stage we are failing miserably and looking like a basket case.

heroics · 21-12-2018 2:29pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

Quite clearly facts :

This might help you https://keydifferences.com/difference-between-fact-and-opinion.html

You had opinions not facts

the_syco · 21-12-2018 2:50pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

A nation is defined out it treats its elderly Citizens.......

How is 50 years old "elderly"?

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

I believe that debt restructuring be insisted by state in helping people out of debt

He has assets that he's not using, but refuses to sell them off to restructure the debt.

relax carry on · 21-12-2018 3:38pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

I believe that debt restructuring be insisted by state

There are multiple avenues open to those people in debt in the state. Unfortunately sometimes even when all the avenues are exhausted there's nothing for it but bankruptcy and/or the sale of the asset(s).

The rest of your post is just emotional responses, which while understandable to an extent, solves nothing. A state is not run on emotional responses.

In the case at the heart of this is someone who doesn't appear to engaged in any meaningful manner with the supports available to him which has led to emotional responses to a plight of his own making.

jimmycrackcorm · 21-12-2018 4:32pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote:

Some people are happy watching individual being beaten up as opposed to the debt's being cleared, that says more of us as a nation instead of dealing wth the issue

Why should anyone pay back mortgages and debts of we can all have then magically cleared

Nermal · 21-12-2018 6:22pm

Could we get clarity on how old and how close to Christmas makes an eviction verboten?

Or is it a function of both variables? We can chuck a 50 year old out any time, but at 65 you're safe in December?

utmbuilder · 21-12-2018 9:22pm

Where does boards find these people. One day I'm going to grow up and feel sorry for a bank.

Funny funny comments on here. How nieve does a person have to be to side with a bank in any action

Eric Cartman · 21-12-2018 9:50pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

Where does boards find these people. One day I'm going to grow up and feel sorry for a bank.

Funny funny comments on here. How nieve does a person have to be to side with a bank in any action

Its siding with other people, banks have to clear bad loans on their books to issue more good ones. Evicting these mass defaulters not only frees up enough bad debt on a banks ledger to issue a deserving couple or two a mortgage, but also puts a house onto the market for sale for somebody willing to pay for it.

If these evictions were effective, our interest rates would be lower too, at the moment a mortgage is looking more and more like unsecured debt every day.

yesto24 · 21-12-2018 10:39pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/roscommon-eviction-falsk-strokestown-kbc-13742736

How anyone that could condone this type of vigilante thuggish behaviour on 3 individuals in there 60 sixties 2 brother & 1 sister , one of the brothers was pulled out of the house by his ears and a retired Garda kevin Taylor was punched 20/30 times by the thugs while our own gardai were present.

The agreement the government had with the banks was that buy-to-let properties
were to be targeted not owner occupied homes. The bank had their debts written off at least people owner occupiers should off at least had 50% off or at least parked until the owners had passed away .

Now we have a situation were a European bank are steam rolling people out of there homes while our own Gardai again don't appear to know what there job is or entails.....Protect the people keep the peace not look on....Disgraceful.

"I am ashamed of my own country for allowing this.......Good on for community looking to protect there own.

And good luck to anyone in that community looking for a mortgage in the future.

BBFAN · 21-12-2018 10:56pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

When the so called Leader of the country missed an opportunity in the Dail to ensure safety of it's elderly people instead throwing man child hissy strops at opposition parties in the Dail and admitting to being a bit of a "Disco Dolly " gushing over I LOVE KYLIE on the Late Late Show , showing little backbone in agreeing to the handover off 300 million to Anglo Irish Bank junior bond holders........its not easy to see why Civil Disobedience will occur.

Government is meant to protect it's Citizen's not Attack them.

You seem to have a problem with our leader being a human being? I wonder why?

Definitely certain undertones going on here.

22-12-2018 10:58am

utmbuilder wrote: »

Where does boards find these people. One day I'm going to grow up and feel sorry for a bank.

Funny funny comments on here. How nieve does a person have to be to side with a bank in any action

Because they are 100% in the right! How few brain cells do all these idiots have who support a criminal tax defaulting farmer with IRA connections?

If it was a politician and not a farmer the pitch forks would be out for him in a massive way, he deserves to be evicted, he deserves to be thrown on the side of the street and anyone who supports him better be happy paying the expensive mortgage interest rates we have in Ireland as it’s because of the likes of him they are so high. However I know most of his supporters are dole scrounging layabouts so they aren’t worrying about things like paying for a mortgage.

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

I believe that debt restructuring be insisted by state in helping people out of debt
.

Most people agree with debt restructuring but this case the person involved refused to engage and get his debt restructured, the fact you can’t see this is bizarre. He deserves to be kicked out and he certainly wasn’t beaten up, just because you imagined he was doesn’t make it true.

Also I am very happy with the way Varadker delt with this as are any normal non-idiots I have spoken to about it so he very much is representing the people as our leader. If you think he isn’t it’s you that’s the problem not him.

utmbuilder · 23-12-2018 4:20pm

Vincent Orange Penmanship wrote: »

Because they are 100% in the right! How few brain cells do all these idiots have who support a criminal tax defaulting farmer with IRA connections?

If it was a politician and not a farmer the pitch forks would be out for him in a massive way, he deserves to be evicted, he deserves to be thrown on the side of the street and anyone who supports him better be happy paying the expensive mortgage interest rates we have in Ireland as it’s because of the likes of him they are so high. However I know most of his supporters are dole scrounging layabouts so they aren’t worrying about things like paying for a mortgage.

Most people agree with debt restructuring but this case the person involved refused to engage and get his debt restructured, the fact you can’t see this is bizarre. He deserves to be kicked out and he certainly wasn’t beaten up, just because you imagined he was doesn’t make it true.

Also I am very happy with the way Varadker delt with this as are any normal non-idiots I have spoken to about it so he very much is representing the people as our leader. If you think he isn’t it’s you that’s the problem not him.

You sound really frustrated if you ever need to chat about things I would be happy to listen. This time of the year can be hard.

garhjw · 23-12-2018 5:23pm

Having watched the videos of the lawful eviction I don’t understand what all the fuss is about. Security used reasonable force in removing the people from the property.

They did a very professional job under difficult circumstances.

10pennymixup · 23-12-2018 7:47pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

Where does boards find these people. One day I'm going to grow up and feel sorry for a bank.

Funny funny comments on here. How nieve does a person have to be to side with a bank in any action

From charging interest to not paying it out on savings to pressure on folk to engage in arrears, there is not much to admire about banking in general.

But when it comes to supporting law and order, I will side with that and as a consequence I must also side with the banks.

Any account/ loan is a contract with a bank and the terms of any contract were there from the start. If you break them, you can't have a problem when the banks take action.

utmbuilder · 23-12-2018 8:24pm

10pennymixup wrote: »

From charging interest to not paying it out on savings to pressure on folk to engage in arrears, there is not much to admire about banking in general.

But when it comes to supporting law and order, I will side with that and as a consequence I must also side with the banks.

Any account/ loan is a contract with a bank and the terms of any contract were there from the start. If you break them, you can't have a problem when the banks take action.

Jesus thought us about interest in the temple with the money changers

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