Brexit consequences for Irish farmers

Cattlepen wrote: »

I think the sheep will be the only drystock business that will stick it. Beef finished if tariffs kick in.
In the journal this week it was simply put that minced beef goes to UK at €3.50/kilo, if the tariffs kick in it will cost €7/kilo. Game over

I could see intervention being brought back for Irish cattle.

ganmo wrote: »

The UK export lamb to France so if worst comes to worse we can expand there.
The UK wool market is strange, farmers have to either sell to the wool board or export out of the country.

Exactly. Big Muslim population in France also. They like the lamb
Wool is a dead duck

Dickie10 wrote: »

what aboout all the northern irish (British) lamb that is slaughtered in republic plants ? this keeps the price down when lambs are scarce a bit like from now til summer. i even heard its common for republic lamb factories needing to go to northern english marts such as Carlisle and buying lambs for slaughter in navan etc. surely they wont be able to do this after brexit?

The northern lamb numbers are not big in the overall scheme of things. It's the UK lambs (as you say above) are used to pull the Irish price especially at this time of the year. It wont happen this year in great numbers as lamb is scarce everywhere.
So yes Irish lamb is set to take a hike in price in a brexit situation and the Factories will have no back door ' Irish' lamb to pull the price.

yea the factories say that of course they do. scaremongering, larry will have a fit if he has to pay fr lambs , you will see him trying to control 100% of factories

Dickie10 wrote: »

yea the factories say that of course they do. scaremongering, larry will have a fit if he has to pay fr lambs , you will see him trying to control 100% of factories

Lamb is an expensive option....the only lamb I see on a hotel menu is lamb shanks...if the hotels can't sell it it says it all.
A lot complaining about ''strong taste''..... retailers should call it ram if that's what it is... some people are avoiding all lamb now because of it.

Cavanjack wrote: »

Just looking at George lee's slot on the news last night.
"Farmers have been advised to postpone all investment decisions due to uncertainties around brexit"
They are probably right but no mention of Who has advised this? Teagasc, the government? No mention of who said it.

Common sense would probably tell you, we're heading into a lot of uncertainty.
Like Kehoe said on the news that it's impossible to bring a believeable proposal to the bank so investment would be foolish under such circumstances
Some gambles will definitely pay off, the problem is to know which ones

wrangler wrote: »

Common sense would probably tell you, we're heading into a lot of uncertainty.
Like Kehoe said on the news that it's impossible to bring a believeable proposal to the bank so investment would be foolish under such circumstances
Some gambles will definitely pay off, the problem is to know which ones

I’m curious wrangler what gambles do you think will pay off???. Tks Mac

Mac Taylor wrote: »

I’m curious wrangler what gambles do you think will pay off???. Tks Mac

If I was able to know that I wouldn't be farming, ,
I'd be apprehensive about money invested in cattle.
Stockmarket might be worth a gamble when it crashes...the trick is to know when the bottom is reached.

Well that's the deal shot to shlt

432 - 202

tanko wrote: »

432 - 202

Biggest loss in over 100 years afaik.

kollegeknight wrote: »

Biggest loss in over 100 years afaik.

Nah.... Gloucester got a bigger hiding on Friday🤣🤣

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

BBC saying she's likely to win the no confidence vote?

It's a most unusual situation.
No one wants her cobbled together deal, but no one wants a general election or her job either.
Corbin presumably wants to be PM, but dosen't want to be the one to cause the election.
Same with Boris Johnson or Moggs.
And, it's doubtful if Corbin would win an election in the morning, as he is a Euro-sceptic so wouldn't have anything different to offer (Brexit wise) over what Teresa May is doing.

Willfarman wrote: »

The pound has strengthened. What a load of bloody waffle.

In the hope of staying in?

She will win the vote of no confidence because the tories will be whipped for the vote. They also stand a serious risk of losing their seats in an election.
Then there is our old friends, the DUP. They are in a privileged position as the holders of the balance of power in Westminster at the moment. If they don't back Theresa in the vote of no confidence they will lose the biggest bargaining chip they ever have.
For those reasons she will hold power I think.

visatorro wrote: »

Whatever about the DUP all the northern politicians are a disgrace they way they've behaved.

It's no surprise though. Outsiders often wonder why peace in the North was such a struggle but try dealing with that lot on any scale. The absolute contempt and disgust Protestants had/have for Catholics overrides all logic, reasoning and, at times, law for generations in the North. This was their bread and butter and they are well versed in it with support to boot. Why change now?

visatorro wrote: »

Truth is the UK don't give a ****e about them

This is the galling point: The DUP and their ilk see themselves as English. As English as someone from the home counties. Any recognition of 'Irishness' in the North must be rejected. The Irish language act was a perfect example. Arlene Forster "proposing" Polish be implemented on par with Irish.The English simply see them as Irish but one of the colonies they have to pay for. If the amount of money the North has cost the British people was put on the side of Farage's bus they'd be quick to cut off the septic finger. But it could never be done as it is has become the definition of political football.

visatorro wrote: »

and I'd wager if there was a vote in the morning here for a united Ireland it wouldn't pass.

Romantic notions aside; it would cripple us trying to sort it out. The public sector directly/indirectly is unsustainable only London is picking up the bill.

visatorro wrote: »

Crowd of crooked, old fashioned, stuck in the same old ****e bastards.

older by the day wrote: »

Listening to the unionists on the radio today, who would want the six counties with the shinners and the dup. Six counties is a small price to pay to keep them away from us

We have relatives and friends that have gone through this on both sides of the divide. Local elections were always a farce; 'your side' could have the weakest worst campaign policies but you dared not give the vote the 'other' way or you'd open the door for all sorts. Complete and utter fear of the other side was all that was poured in your ear.

visatorro wrote: »

Maybe Iceland might take them

Why?? Why would you want to do that to Iceland? They're good people who don't deserve that!

downcow wrote: »

A post containing some very accurate points but also some downright patronising and offensive nonsense. About 50% of each

It's a discussion forum - feel free to tell me why you thinks its patronising/offensive.
Edit - Certainly wasn't trying to be patronising and/or offensive

Got the feeling last night, from watching the events unfolding, that the powers that be want to remain in the EU and all this shuffling around is an attempt to direct everything towards a new referendum. Trouble is, nobody knows how to do that without loosing face. Where's PJ Mara when you need him?

whelan2 wrote: »

I wonder what that vote was for?

October 1924, The Prime Minister Ramsey MacDonald lost a vote by 166 votes.
The vote was about "The Campbell Case".
McDonald's Labour government had decided NOT to prosecute a Communist newspaper editor ,(Campbell) for "incitement to mutiny" after the paper had published provocative letters aimed at military families.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell_Case

Great viewing from 47 mins onwards...our friend Sammy gets a mouthful and Mairead McGuinness plays diplomatic...great viewing afterwards also..

Must say Channel 4 interviewing is fab..

https://youtu.be/SR7JwVjWByM

downcow wrote: »

Well you opening paragraph is a bit sweeping ie prods are the problem and catholics are all nice considerate people.

If that's you took from it then I'd contend you're simply looking to be offended. I never said anything good or bad about Catholics as talking about the DUP leaders and their ilk I'm hardly going to be talking about anyone else...

Since its inception the rules were inherently stacked against on side of the population. The DUP's foundation was founded on this mantra, they had to be dragged to where they are now but fundamentally are still great believers. I'll take out the Protestant and Catholic bits and we can pretend who we're referring to.

In the other parts of my post (when not talking about the DUP) I've referred to both sides engaging in poor election choices simply because of poisonous disingenuous lies being spun about supporting "the others".

downcow wrote: »

There is fairly equal levels of sectarianism on both sides with the ira undoubtedly leading the way as an example of sectarianism

The word "Undoubtedly" is certainly a leap of imagination. The existence IRA and their ilk and the subsequent atrocities, committed by both sides, were only made possible by successive Norther Irish governing bodies, with the full backing of the UK continuously denying one side equality because of creed and ethnicity. Having the IRA in place and labelling them (the IRA + those they claim to represent) as terrorists (which some became inevitably) is the first move in any state that want to repress a certain part of the populace and has been repeated plenty of times before and after worldwide.

... but that is Mogg in every intetview ... just depressingly smarmy.

This interview with James O.'Brien is so worrying to the farming community and consumers on both sides of the border - Australian beef, hormones but at least it is cheap...
(Listen to the full interview, at the bottom of the page)
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-destroys-jacob-rees-mogg-brexit-vote/

Mogg and his ilk will make a killing from the volitility in the financial markets ... which they are happily contributing to. There is no consideration to farming, manufacturing or indeed anybody outside South East England.